Generational Crises and Methods for Evaluation

Awakening eras, crisis eras, crisis wars, generational financial crashes, as applied to historical and current events
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Techniques for determining generational eras

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Determining Turnings

(This was first posted in 2006.)

Since the issue of determining turnings has come up, I thought I
would post the guidelines that I use. These guidelines seem to work
in all the cases I've seen, though they sometimes yield results that
are a few years different than what others might get.

It's worthwhile pointing out that there are two distinct methods for
determining where a particular country is at a particular time: (1) By
number of years since the last crisis war; or (2) By turning-specific
events. In practice, it's easiest to use the two methods together.

In Generational Dynamics, I do use the two methods together, and
estimate turnings and turning boundaries as follows:
  • The Recovery/Austerity/High period (first turning) begins just
    after the smoke clears from the explosive climax of the crisis war.
    It's "Austerity" for the survivors, who are still traumatized and
    will devote their lives to keep it from happening again, and it's a
    "High" for the Prophets, who feel contempt for the austere rules.
  • The Awakening period (second turning) begins 15-18 years later,
    when the Prophets begin to make themselves felt. An Awakening can be
    identified by "Awakening-type" events that are caused by a political
    struggle between the war survivors and the Prophet generation.
    Typical Awakening-type events are: Riots and demonstrations for
    individual rights; greater prominence for gender issues; pro-war or
    anti-war demonstrations -- the opposite of whatever their parents
    prescribe. If there is violence in this period, it's "low-level
    violence," punished by police action in specific cases.
  • "Awakening crisis": The Awakening seems almost always to climax
    with an event the defines a winner between the older and younger
    generations. This is sometimes called a "bloodless coup" or a "velvet
    revolution" or an "internal revolution." Examples where the younger
    generation won are: resignation of Richard Nixon; replacement of
    Second Reich with Weimar Republic. Example where the older generation
    won: Tienanmen Square massacre. I believe that the victory of the
    older generation is a bad thing for a country, and foreshadows a civil
    war in the crisis period.
  • I see the transition from Awakening to Unraveling (third turning)
    to Crisis (fourth turning) to be a gradual one, without clear
    boundaries. Basically, the austere rules set down in the first turning
    begin to unravel almost as soon as they're enunciated. The Unraveling
    officially begins 40 years after the end of the last crisis war. The
    "Awakening crisis," which can occur before or after the Unraveling
    period begins, is a much more important marker than the Unraveling era
    itself. After the Awakening crisis, the austere rules that were set
    down during the first turning real begin to unravel, and total
    craziness sets in. Typical unraveling type events are: willingness to
    compromise to the point of appeasement; economic bubble.
  • The Crisis Era (fourth turning) is in two parts that have to be
    separated: before and after the regeneracy (where the real crisis war
    begins).
  • The Crisis Era - Part I -- Matt came up with the name
    "post-unraveling period" for this -- begins when the survivors of the
    last crisis war all disappear (retire or die), all at the same time.
    This is about 55-60 years after the end of the last crisis war. This
    would be amended if the crisis war begins earlier than 55 years
    after. Typical Crisis Era - Part I events are immigration laws,
    signs of xenophobia including maltreatment of foreigners, emphasis on
    stereotypical gender roles.
  • The Crisis Era - Part II begins with the regeneracy, when the new
    crisis era really begins. Typical Crisis Era - Part II events are:
    total war.
  • A fifth turning occurs if the Crisis Era goes by with no crisis
    war. This is a distinctly different era from the others. Typical
    fifth turning events: Suicide bombers.
  • From the point of view of determining long-term (multi-saecular)
    generational timelines, the only important date is the date on which
    the first turning begins.
  • It's impossible to enter a fifth turning except from a fourth; or
    a fourth turning except from a third; or a third turning except from
    a second; or a second turning except from a first.
  • However, it is possible to enter a first turning from another
    turning when a massive population relocation occurs, destroying the
    generational relationships that existed prior to the
    relocation.
Sincerely,

John

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Re: Generational Crises and Methods for Evaluation

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Dear Matt,

You may remember Joel Bellenson from the old days.

Well, I just received the following message from him:
Joel Bellenson wrote: > Where is the latest map from 'Matt1989' 'Michael Easton?'

> Is it updated to include Bangladesh not being in Crisis state?

> Also, I really think we need to have a better system for coloring
> the map; maybe a gradient so that we can see which is in early or
> late stages of an era.

> Also, since folks are now warming up to allowing different regions
> of a country to have different saeculum timelines or at least
> significant year offsets within an era, we will need to have an
> ethnolinguisticsectarian map where these differences might matter,
> eg. AfPakIndia, DRC, Sudan, Uganda, Kenya, Ethiopia, Persian Gulf,
> Mexico, Nigeria, etc.

> Thanks joel
Any response?

Sincerely,

John

P.S.: Here are your maps:

Countries by Turning:

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Countries in Recession (red)/Affected (pink).

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Re: Generational Crises and Methods for Evaluation

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John wrote:Dear Matt,

You may remember Joel Bellenson from the old days.
I don't. Did he have another username?
Well, I just received the following message from him:
Joel Bellenson wrote: > Where is the latest map from 'Matt1989' 'Michael Easton?'

> Is it updated to include Bangladesh not being in Crisis state?

> Also, I really think we need to have a better system for coloring
> the map; maybe a gradient so that we can see which is in early or
> late stages of an era.

> Also, since folks are now warming up to allowing different regions
> of a country to have different saeculum timelines or at least
> significant year offsets within an era, we will need to have an
> ethnolinguisticsectarian map where these differences might matter,
> eg. AfPakIndia, DRC, Sudan, Uganda, Kenya, Ethiopia, Persian Gulf,
> Mexico, Nigeria, etc.

> Thanks joel
Any response?
Bangladesh totally slipped my mind -- I've recognized that error for a year or two now but forgot to fix it. Different color sets would be great; I've been meaning to include that.

The third suggestion would be something of a phase 2... perhaps it's a project down the road. I'll see if 1990 would be interested, but he seems busy nowadays.

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The 1848 Revolutions and the 58-year hypothesis

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The 1848 Revolutions and the 58-year hypothesis

I can't for the life of me figure out why I didn't think of this
before, but it's only today that it occurred to me that the 1848
European political revolutions occurred 58 (+1) years after the
bankruptcy of the French Monarchy.

So I googled "financial crisis 1848", and quickly found the
following:
Hubert Bonin wrote: > France, Financial Crisis and the 1848 Revolutions

> When the revolution of 1848 broke out, the economy was affected by
> a deep financial crisis, which reduced the initiative of the
> republic's decision makers. But the republic's launching deepened
> this crisis which undermined the country's money market. Thus
> authorities tried to relax these tensions at the risk of
> neglecting growth.

> The results of the agricultural and cyclical crisis between 1845
> and 1848 were immediate on the Parisian and provincial markets.
> During the boom of the 1840s, industries had increased debt and
> their working capital. With the recession, these firms, which were
> over stocked and greedy for liquid assets, increased the demands
> for credit, especially as their customers delayed payments while
> dictating terms to their suppliers. The classical crisis in credit
> meant a decline in payments on the debt to the banks, then, up the
> line, to the regional issuing banks to the Bank of France.

> The Bank of France's regents supervised the deterioration of its
> bullion reserves. The gold stockpile was reduced by outflow to
> Switzerland and Germany due to the trading in the big fairs and
> to Russia and Spain to purchase grain to off set famine brought on
> by the agricultural crisis. The Bank of France was supported by a
> loan from the English bank firm of Baring, but, as its commitments
> mounted, it preferred to restrain the rediscount and to move the
> bank rate from 4 to 5 percent in January 1847.

> Banks were collapsing, torn between the burden of debt and the
> rise in price of cr edit: some bankers from Lyon, such as Bontoux
> and Delhante, suspended payments in 1847-1848, especially as
> anxious depositors rushed to withdraw their funds. A crisis of
> confidence spread among banks and the stock exchange, where share
> prices slumped, particularly for railway companies hit hard by
> deflation of the "railway mania". The state itself was paralysed
> by the shrinkage of its margin of budgetary maneuver. Immediately
> it had to finance the purchase of grain; then in the medium range,
> the large public projects increased the budget deficit in the
> 1840s, as Thiers referred to them, the "follies of peace". Its
> floating debt grew, which reduced elasticity in expenditures,
> particularly with mistrust seized the money market.

> And yet the Parisian market recovered from the contraction. The
> rise in the bank rate and interest rates was sufficient to
> attract capital seeking investment opportunities, and Paris
> retained its function in international transactions, which brought
> on gold deposits. The economical recovery occurred in the last
> quarter of 1847 lightened the pressure on companies' accounts. The
> Bank of France's monetary reserves reached 150 million francs in
> June 1847: 43 percent of the value of notes in circulation were
> covered by specie on deposit in the central bank. That enabled the
> regents to lower the bank rate to 4 percent in September 1847,
> indicating that the investors' and liquid assets holders'
> confidence had been revitalized since the crisis had not brought
> on a general crash. ...

> http://www.ohio.edu/chastain/dh/FRANFIN.HTM
This is incredible. It's a perfect example supporting the 58 year
hypothesis. There was a panic 58 years after the 1789 crisis, but it
was a "false panic," since recovery was almost immediate.

However, I found no such obvious example occurring 58 years after the
collapse of the South Sea Bubble (1720). It's possible that such a
panic was obscured by the American Revolution.

As for Tulipomania (1637), Kindleberger's book list only one
subsequent financial crisis in the 1600's: A panic that occurred in
1696, exactly 58+1 years later.

I now have about a dozen very clearcut examples supporting the 58
year hypothesis. It may almost be time to stop calling it a mere
"hypothesis."

Here is a list of articles that discuss the 58 year hypothesis:

** South Korea's government in crisis over beef imports from U.S.
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/cgi ... 12#e080612


** The Iraq war may be related to the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/cgi ... 17#e080217


** Kenya settles into low-level violence on the way to Rwanda
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/cgi ... 01#e080201


** Investors commemorate the false panic of Monday, October 19, 1987
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/cgi ... 19#e071019


** Palestinian Interior Minister / escalated Gaza violence
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/cgi ... 15#e070515


** System Dynamics and the Failure of Macroeconomics Theory
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/cgi ... acro061025


** Speculations about a stock market panic and crash
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/cgi ... 60530panic


** Stock markets melt down: Where is money going?
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/cgi ... 21#e060521


Sincerely,

John

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Re: Generational Crises and Methods for Evaluation

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Wow :o

~58 years after the catalyst signals a transfer of "elderhood status" from Civics to Adaptives. Can anyone who understands post-Crisis Civics and Adaptives explain why there might be a sudden (yet brief) loss of confidence as the generational roles shift?

The 58 year hypothesis may also be useful in explaining early Crises.

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Well, the notion that Adaptives are now the tribal elders is downright frightening. I remember when it happened here thinking "Migawd, WE'RE the tribal elders now? Eek!"

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False panics vs Real panics

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False panics vs Real panics

(First posted in 2007)

The discussion of the 58 year hypothesis has raised a number of very
good questions that need to be addressed. These are some additional
thoughts.

The main issue has to do with "false panics" (like the panic of 1987)
and "real panics" (like new crisis wars that begin 58 years after the
end of the previous crisis war).

False panics and real panics have something very big in common:
They're both panics.

And they both occur about 58 years after some disastrous event that
transformed society. This is reasonable, since that's the time that
the last of the people who survived the disastrous event are 62 years
old, and about to retire.

The DIFFERENCE between them is about the environment and the reaction
to the panic.

Thus, the panic of 1987 was a panic, but it was a false panic because
the stock market was underpriced and recovered quickly. A panic
today would be a real panic, because the stock market is overpriced
by a factor of 250%+.

The number 58 isn't absolute. The statistical term is "mode,"
meaning that more crisis wars begin in year 58 (of the saeculum) than
in any other year.

Here's the table that I've posted several times before:

.
LENGTH OF INTER-CRISIS PERIOD
Fraction
# years of total Turning
------- -------- ------------------
0- 40 0% 1T, 2T
41- 49 11% first half of 3T
50- 59 33% second half of 3T
60- 69 25% first half of 4T
70- 79 16% second half of 4T
80- 89 4% fifth turning
90- 99 6%
100-117 5%


If we go back to my original figures, and we focus on the range of
years from 40-79, then here's the distribution table:

.
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
------- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
40-49 0 1 0 1 1 1 1 2 2 2
50-59 2 2 3 3 3 3 4 4 5 4
60-69 4 4 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 1
70-79 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 1


As you can see, of the 100+ wars that I looked at, 5 of them began in
year 58, with 5 being the highest count. The counts drop off rapidly
before and after 58, indicating that 58 really is a special year in
generational theory.

Regeneracy versus Backlash and Resolution

Let's look at how Strauss and Howe describe the regeneracy:
The Fourth Turning pages 257-258 wrote: > The catalyst can be one spark or, more commonly, a series of
> sparks that self-ignite like the firecrackers traditionally used
> by the Chinese to mark their own breaks in the circle of time.
> Each of these sparks is linked to a specific threat about which
> the society had been fully informed but against which it had left
> itself poorly protected. Afterward, the fact that these sparks
> were <i>foreseeable</i> but poorly <i>foreseen</i> gives rise to a
> new sense of urgency about institutional dysfunction and civic
> vulnerablity. This marks the beginning of the vertiginous spiral
> of Crisis.

> Once this new mood is fully catalyzed, a society begins a process
> of <i>regeneracy</i>, a drawing together into whatever definition
> of community is available at the time. Out of the debris of the
> Unraveling, a new civic ethos arises. One set of post-Awakening
> ideals prevails over the others. People stop tolerating the
> weakening of institutions, splintering of the culture, and the
> individualizing of daily behavior. Spiritual curiosity abates,
> manners traditionalize, and the culture is harnessed as
> propanganda for the purpose of overtly reinforcing good conduct.
> History teaches that, roughly one to three years after the initial
> catalyst, people begin acknowledging this new synergy in community
> life and begin deputizing government to enforce it. Collective
> action is now seen as vital to solving the society's most
> fundamental problems.

> A Crisis mood does not guarantee that the new governing policies
> will be well designed or will work as intended. To the contrary:
> Crisis eras are studded with faulty leadership and inept
> management -- from President Lincoln's poor record of choosing
> generals to President Roosevelt's collassal blunders with such
> alphabet soup agencies as the AAA, NRA and WPA. [p. 258] What
> makes a Crisis special is the public's willlingness to let leaders
> lead even when they falter and to let authorities be authoritative
> even when they make mistakes. Amid this civic solidarity,
> mediocre leaders can gain immense popular following; bad policies
> can be made to work (or, at least, be perceived as working); and,
> as at Pearl Harbor, even a spectacular failure does not undermine
> public support. Good policy choices pay off quickly. (In an
> Awakening, by contrast, even the best leaders and plans can fail,
> and one misstep can destroy public confidence.)
The concept behind "regeneracy" is that civic unity is "regenerated,"
and that the society rejects the old political battles and unifies.

But Strauss and Howe's description is more nuanced than that. There's
not a total unity, but a shift toward unity.

Whenever the subject of regeneracy comes up, I always remember that
in 1864, at the height of the Civil War, the Democratic Party
platform called for an end to hostilities through negotiation with
the South, allowing slavery to continue. Ironically, if you read the
1864 Democratic Party platform and change a few of the words, it
sounds just like the Democrats today. Plus ça change, plus c'est la
même chose.
http://www.sewanee.edu/faculty/Willis/C ... ratic.html

The point is that there's no absolute unity, even after "regeneracy."
There's simply a shifted balance of opinion from one pole to another.
It's not the regeneracy that unifies the country but the climax and
resolution (in the case above, completely discrediting the "peace
Democrats"). At that point, there's a RETROSPECTIVE decision as to
who was right.

Strauss and Howe describe the morphology of crisis eras as going
through these steps: Catalyst, regeneracy, climax, resolution.

We'll replace this morphology with the following steps:
  • Catalyst - series of sparks as before.
  • Panic or panicked response. This is most likely to occur in year
    58.
  • There are two groups:
    1. Regeneracy: Those that support the panicked response.
    2. Backlash: Those that oppose the panicked response.
    During a war, political power will shift back and forth between the
    two groups, depending on how things are going.
  • Climax and resolution: Determines who was right (the "regeneracy"
    people or the "backlash" people).
And so, we're now able to define the difference between a "false
panic" and a "real panic":
  • A "false panic" is one in which the backlash group wins -- i.e.,
    the panicked response is resolved as a mistake.
  • A "real panic" is one in which the regeneracy group wins -- i.e.,
    the panicked response is resolved as correct.
Examples of false panics

Now let's look at some examples of false panics, and see how they fit
into this morphology.
  1. Panic of 1987, Panic of 1914.

    Panicked response: Selling into the stock market collapse.
    Regeneracy: Failed, because the stock market recovered. Backlash:
    Resolved as correct, because the panic must have been a mistake.
    Climax: The stock market recovered quickly. Resolution: Policy
    decisions are credited with the quick recovery from the panic. The
    resolution is that a crash will never occur again, since the same
    policy decisions can always be used.

    Contrafactual: If it had resulted in a Great Depression, then the
    regeneracy would have resulted in another "New Deal" set of
    regulations, and so forth.
  2. Panic of 1772. The Ayr Bank in Scotland had issued paper
    currency freely to aid speculators in housing and toll roads. A bad
    crop harvest on the Continent triggered the failure of a speculative
    investment by London banker Alexander Fordyce, which triggered the
    failure of the Ayr Bank, leading to the Panic of 1772. This
    triggered the failure of the Bank of England in July 1772, from which
    it recovered quickly. However, many colonial businesses were in debt
    to the English banks, and were suddenly unable to obtain further
    credit, forcing them to liquidate their inventories, thus ending their
    businesses. This infuriated the colonists, leading to the Boston Tea
    Party and the Revolutionary War.

    The quick recovery of the Bank of England after the Panic of 1771
    indicates a "false panic," but the event occurred only 51 years after
    the bursting of the South Sea Bubble (1721), so it may or may not be
    an example of the 58 year hypothesis.
  3. Swine Flu Panic of 1976. The Swine Flu False Panic of 1976
    occurred exactly 58 years after the Spanish Flu epidemic of 1918. A
    new pandemic was feared.

    Panicked response: Massive vaccination program for American public.
    Regeneracy: Failed, because no pandemic occurred. Backlash: No
    vaccination program is needed. Climax: A political fiasco, as more
    people died from the vaccine than from the flu. Resolution: A flu
    pandemic is nothing to worry about.

    Contrafactual: If there had been a large swine flu pandemic, then
    there would have been major policy changes in health policy.
  4. Palmer Raids of 1919. On June 2, 1919, a number of bombs
    were detonated in Washington and seven other American cities. This
    caused a panic that led to the rounding up of thousands of "radicals"
    and "leftists," jailing many. The panic lasted about a year, but ended
    in political fiasco when an expected "Communist revolution" didn't
    occur on May 1, 1920.

    This panic occurred 58 years after Abraham Lincoln suspended
    habeas corpus in 1861 during the Civil War. This act
    permitted the government to round up people and jail them without a
    trial or legal representation.

    Panicked response: Jailing of leftists. Regeneracy: Failed, because
    no insurrection occurred. Climax: A political fiasco. Resolution:
    Restoration of civil rights.

    Contrafactual: If there had been an actual Communist uprising in
    1921, then it may well have lead to a new American civil war in the
    1930s or 1940s.
  5. Israel war with Hizbollah in Lebanon, 2006.
    When Hizbollah captured two Israeli soldiers, Israel panicked and,
    within four hours, launched a war with no plans and no objectives.
    This occurred 58 years after the creation of Israel that launched the
    genocidal war between Jews and Palestinians in 1948-49.

    Panicked response: War with Hizbollah. Regeneracy: Failed, because
    Israel did not destroy Hizbollah, did not recapture soldiers, DID
    destroy much Lebanon infrastructure. Backlash: The war was a big
    mistake by the Olmert administration.
    ** Israeli governnment in crisis after report on war with Hizbollah
    http://www.generationaldynamics.com/cgi-bin/D.PL?xct=gd.e070504#e070504


    Resolution: It's too early for a final resolution.

    Contrafactual: Lebanon is in a generational Awakening era. If
    Lebanon had been in a Crisis era, then the attack would have spiraled
    into a full-scale Mideast war.
  6. 1938 radio broadcast, "War of the Worlds."

    This was a very tense time for Americans, who were still in the depths
    of the Great Depression. Radios were selling at a record pace, as
    Hitler was rallying his forces in Europe, having already taken control
    of the Sudetenland area in Czechoslovakia. On the other side of the
    world, the Japanese had invaded China and were in the process of
    taking over. Many were extremely anxious about war.

    In this atmosphere, the radio program appeared to be a music program
    interrupted by news bulletins reporting on an invasion of Martians in
    cities around the country. Although announcements during the program
    informed listeners that it was fiction, tens or hundreds of thousands
    of listeners panicked, believing that a real invasion was taking
    place. A substantial minority believed that it was a German
    invasion rather than a Martian invasion.

    As far as I know, this is not an example of a 58-year panic, but it
    IS an example of a panic that occurs in a Crisis era.

    This is a great example because it occurred in a generational crisis
    era, and it illustrates how large masses of people react to threats
    of war during crisis periods. If that much panic occurred among a
    relatively few listeners to a radio program describing a fictional
    event, imagine how much greater the panic would have been if the
    story had been about a REAL German or Japanese invasion.

    Panicked response: Running out into the streets to kill the Martians
    and/or Germans. Regeneracy: Failed, because there were no Martians,
    and no Germans. Backlash: Nothing to worry about. Climax: People out
    in the streets realize they look like idiots. Resolution: Years of
    government grants for psychological studies to determine why people
    panicked.

    Contrafactual: If it had been an actual German invasion, WW II would
    have started. It it had been an actual Martian invasion -- well, who
    knows?
  7. Salem Witch Trials of 1692. Four teenage girls appeared to
    have epileptic fits, and accused several neighbors of witchcraft.
    Panic ensued, and by the time it was all over, dozens of people had
    been jailed and 20 had died.

    This has all the earmarks of a false panic. Does anyone know of
    anything special that happened in New England in 1634?
The Iraq War

I want to discuss this example at greater length.

The Iraq war began in 1991, in reaction Saddam Hussein's 1990
invasion of Kuwait. The 16-year war against Saddam began with
enormous restraint.

First, Iraq was ejected from Kuwait. Then there were several years
of overflights to protect the Kurds and Sunnis from Saddam.

The Clinton administration escalated the war with Operation Provide
Comfort in 1996 and Operation Northern Watch in December, 1998.

The latter phase began in earnest in December, 1998, when Saddam
expelled the U.N. weapons inspectors. The Clinton/Gore
administration immediately began furiously bombing Iraq, and that
bombing continued on almost a daily basis, into the next
administration.
http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/mi ... flict.html

Everything up to 2003 could be considered a measured, "unraveling
era" response, representing policies of containment and compromise.

We normally view the 2003 ground invasion as a follow-on to the 9/11
attacks and the Afghan war.

I would like to propose an entirely different explanation of the 2003
ground invasion:
  • World War II ended in 1945. The climax of the war was the use of
    nuclear weapons (WMDs) on the enemy, triggering their immediate
    unconditional surrender. The resolution was (in part) that WMDs were
    effective weapons in immediately ending a war.
  • 58 years later, 2003, the American public began to panic over
    WMDs.
  • The result was a panicked, poorly planned ground invasion of
    Iraq to remove Saddam and destroy the WMDs. Regeneracy: Failed,
    because no WMDs were found. Backlash: The ground invasion must have
    been an enormous mistake. Climax and resolution: Too early to tell.
    (However, see the Democratic Party platform of 1864 referenced
    earlier in this posting.)
Looking at it this way, the ground invasion of Iraq had NOTHING TO DO
with 9/11. It would have occurred anyway, because of panic over
WMDs. This may be surprising, but remember that the Iraq war has
been going on since 1991, and daily bombing had been going on since
1998. In the absence of 9/11, it's perfectly reasonable to assume
that the same kind of public panic over WMDs would have occurred, and
the same kind of ground invasion would have occurred.

Panicked response: Ground invasion of Iraq. Regeneracy: Failed,
because no WMDs were found. Backlash: Bad war, a repeat of the
Vietnam war. Climax and resolution: Too early to determine.

Contrafactual: If WMDs had been found, along with evidence that
Saddam had planned to use them, then we would have continued on into
Syria and Iran by now.

Theoretical conclusions.

Almost from the day that I picked up the book The Fourth
Turning
, shortly after 9/11, the "Great Depression anomaly" has
been a major concern for me. I went through a year-long process
trying to decide for myself whether generational theory was valid, or
was at the level of astrology. TFT is based on a sample of only six
saeculae, and with so few samples, every anomaly had to be credibly
explained for the theory to have any validity.

I resolved this anomaly in two ways:
  • Every crisis war occurs in conjunction with a major financial
    crisis. This really isn't surprising, but it has to be mentioned.
  • If you go back through history, there are of course many small or
    regional recessions. But since the 1600s there have been only five
    major international financial crises: the 1637 Tulipomania bubble,
    the South Sea bubble of the 1710s-20s, the bankruptcy of the French
    monarchy in the 1789, the Panic of 1857 (also known as the Hamburg
    Crisis of 1857) and the 1929 Wall Street crash. These major
    international financial crises are on a timeline all their own,
    independent of any country's crisis war timeline.
The recognition of the 58 year hypothesis provides additional
resolution to the anomaly, by explaining how a financial crisis leads
to a false panic after 58 years, convincing people that there's
nothing to fear from a new crisis, permitting a real panic and crisis
to occur later.

Beyond that, the 58 year hypothesis adds some additional texture to
generational theory in general in the following ways:
  • Instead of tying all generational events to crisis wars, we can
    now view any general disaster as something with generational impact.
    Think of a societal disaster as an earthquake that creates a tsunami
    that reaches land 58 years later.
  • Different kinds of events can create completely independent
    generational timelines. For example, a financial timeline may be
    different from a war timeline. However, timelines can interact with
    each other, as a financial crisis can cause a war crisis, or vice
    versa.
  • However, different kinds of generational timelines may not have
    the same kinds of turnings as crisis war timelines. Turnings may not
    apply at all to financial crisis timelines or flu pandemic timelines.
    There may be no "fourth turning" concept at all. (Although I would
    mark the beginning of the "financial fourth turning" following the
    1929 crash as beginning with the 1995 bubble.)
  • The 1930s fourth turning never really made sense, since the
    crisis mood was entirely over financial issues, not much over
    war-related issues. But now we can look at the financial fourth
    turning as beginning in 1929, and the war fourth turning as beginning
    at some time in the 1930s.
There are plenty of opportunities for research projects here, both
formal and informal.

Just pick your favorite historical catastrophe and research whether
something related happened 58 years later; or, pick some panic that
turned into a fiasco, and look 58 years earlier to see what caused
it.

Sincerely,

John

P.S.: I wrote about the Iraq war as an example of the 58-year
hypothesis here:

** The Iraq war may be related to the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/cgi ... 17#e080217

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Roger Williams and the Salem Witch Trials

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Roger Williams and the Salem Witch Trials

(This was first posted in 2007)

In my previous posting, I wrote the following:
Salem Witch Trials of 1692. Four teenage girls appeared to
have epileptic fits, and accused several neighbors of witchcraft.
Panic ensued, and by the time it was all over, dozens of people had
been jailed and 20 had died.

This has all the earmarks of a false panic. Does anyone know of
anything special that happened in New England in 1634?
It turns out that there was a really major event in Salem in 1634:
The Pastor, Roger Williams, was banished from Salem for making
controversial remarks about the Church.

What happened isn't the stuff of major catastrophes, however. On the
other hand, maybe what looks like a simple personnel change today was
much more traumatic centuries ago.

Here's the summary:
Wikipedia wrote: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Will ... ologian%29

> Roger Williams (December 21, 1603–April 1, 1683) was an English
> theologian, a notable proponent of the separation of Church and
> State, an advocate for fair dealings with Native Americans,
> founder of the city of Providence, Rhode Island and co-founder of
> the colony of Rhode Island. He is the originator of either the
> first or second Baptist church established in America. ...

> In the summer of 1633, Williams arrived in Salem and became
> unofficial assistant to Pastor Skelton. In August, 1634, (Skelton
> having died), he became acting pastor and entered almost
> immediately into controversies with the Massachusetts authorities
> that in a few months resulted in his exile by law from Salem after
> being brought before the Salem Court for spreading "diverse, new,
> and dangerous opinions" that questioned the Church. The law
> exiling Williams was not repealed until 1936 when Bill 488 was
> passed by the Massachusetts House.

> He was formally set apart as pastor of the church about May,
> 1635, against the earnest protests of the Massachusetts
> authorities. An outline of the issues raised by Williams and
> uncompromisingly pressed includes the following:

> 1. He regarded the Church of England as apostate, and any kind of
> fellowship with it as grievous sin. He accordingly renounced
> communion not only with this church but with all who would not
> join with him in repudiating it.

> 2. He denounced the charter of the Massachusetts Company because
> it falsely represented the king of England as a Christian, and
> assumed that he had the right to give to his own subjects the land
> of the native Indians. He disapproved of "the unchristian oaths
> swallowed down" by the colonists "at their coming forth from Old
> England, especially in the superstitious Laud's time and
> domineering." He drew up a letter addressed to the King expressing
> his dissatisfaction with the charter and sought to secure for it
> the endorsement of prominent colonists. In this letter he is said
> to have charged King James I with blasphemy for calling Europe
> "Christendom" and to have applied to the reigning king some of
> the most opprobrious epithets in the Apocalypse.

> 3. Equally disquieting was Williams' opposition to the "citizens'
> oath," which magistrates sought to force upon the colonists in
> order to be assured of their loyalty. Williams maintained that it
> was Christ's sole prerogative to have his office established by
> oath, and that unregenerate men ought not in any case to be
> invited to perform any religious act. In opposing the oath
> Williams gained so much popular support that the measure had to be
> abandoned.

> 4. In a dispute between the Massachusetts Bay court and the Salem
> colony regarding the possession of a piece of land (Marblehead)
> claimed by the latter, the court offered to accede to the claims
> of Salem on condition that the Salem church make amends for its
> insolent conduct in installing Williams as pastor in defiance of
> the court and ministers. This demand involved the removal of the
> pastor. Williams regarded this proposal as an outrageous attempt
> at bribery and had the Salem church send to the other
> Massachusetts churches a denunciation of the proceeding and demand
> that the churches exclude the magistrates from membership. This
> act was sharply resented by magistrates and churches, and such
> pressure was brought to bear upon the Salem church as led a
> majority to consent to the removal of their pastor. He never
> entered the chapel again, but held religious services in his own
> house with his faithful adherents.
I also found some juicy stuff in a book: A Popular History of the
United States: From the First Discovery of the the western hemisphere
by the northmen, to the end of the first century of the union of the
states
, By William Cullen Bryant, Sydney Howard Gay, Published 1876,
Sampson Low, United States.
http://books.google.com/books?id=bWEFAA ... 1-PA542,M1
Bryant and Gay, page 542 wrote: > But offences were sure to come. It was impossible for Mr. Williams
> to keep quiet; equally impossible, for the Council to let him
> alone. As a sort of preliminary of what was to come the colony was
> presently in a buzz, for he had persuaded the women of Salem that
> modesty required they should go veiled in public. Here was heresy.
> Cotton hastened to Salem to refute it, and his " insinuating and
> melting way " brought down every veil in the parish between the
> Sunday services. It was an exhaustive discourse, if we may trust
> Hubbard's report of it, and proved to the women of Salem that the
> Scriptural reasons were not applicable in their case; for many
> were wives and not virgins; none were like Tamar ; and none needed
> like Ruth, to hold up her veil before Boaz for a measure of
> barley. Not a woman's face was hidden on Sunday afternoon after
> this morning's" discourse. It was a great triumph over Roger
> Williams, and so pleased was Mr. Cotton with his success, that he
> carried the subject into the " Boston Lecture." But here Endicott
> met him in fierce debate, and so hot did it grow that the governor
> interfered to put an end to it.
There's no mention here of witchcraft, but as an incidental matter,
England outlawed witchcraft in 1641.

Eleven year old Abigail Williams was one of the girls who exhibited
the strange behavior leading to the Salem Witch Trials. I wondered
if she was related to Roger Williams, and found this:
Lindy Allen wrote: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/RI ... 0929600752

> From: "Lindy Allen" <>
> Subject: [RIGENWEB-L] Roger Williams
> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 23:25:52 -0700

> I am a direct relative of Roger Williams, the founder of
> Providence Rhode Island. I live in Washington State, and have
> traced my line through Abigail Williams who married Oliver Hazard
> Perry Clark. She is the daughter of Goliah Williams and Sarah
> Bickford. Goliah is the son of Squire Williams and Anne Potter.
> Squire is the son of Benoni Williams. Benoni is the son of Joseph
> Williams, who is the son of Daniel Williams, who is the son of
> Roger.

> I have done a lot of research, but I haven't found any further
> lineage from Abigail on down, in print. If anyone is interested, I
> can be reached either thru this forum, or by my private e-mail.

> Also, I need to get a real birth date for Roger. I have found so
> many dates, and none of them are the same.

> Lindy Allen
So all I have is a collection of jigsaw puzzle pieces that don't yet
quite fit together into a picture. But, at the very least, it is
very interesting that the Salem Witch Trials occurred 58 years after
a major event in the history of Salem.

Sincerely,

John

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Re: Generational Crises and Methods for Evaluation

Post by Matt1989 »

FWIW, the Pequot War began in 1634.

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Re: Generational Crises and Methods for Evaluation

Post by Marshall Kane »

Re: 1634.

The Great Migration, which brought an influx of about 20,000 new settlers to New England, culminated in the establishment of the Massachusetts Bay Colony around 1634.

The expulsion of Roger Williams was followed a few years later by the trial and exile of Anne Hutchinson (in Boston, though, not Salem). Hutchinson was declared a heretic in 1637, however she had a number of followers who antagonized the town elders, leading to sometimes violent conflicts over the next few years.

As S/H describe this generation:

Puritan
(Prophet, born 1588–1617) This generation basked as
children in the post-Armada peace. Overcome by spiri-
tual “conversions,” many came of age zealously denounc-
ing the spiritual emptiness of their elders’ Jacobean
achievements. While some later led England through a
civil war that culminated in the beheading of King
Charles I, others were called by God to lead a Great
Migration to America. These young-adult “Puritans”
established church-centered towns from Long Island to
Maine. In midlife, fearing the corrupting influence of
the Old World on their own unconverted children, they
turned from the “law of love” to the love of law. Their
moral authority remained unchallenged through old
age, as they provided the elder die-hards of the great
Indian Wars and the Glorious Revolution. (COLONIAL:
Anne Hutchinson, John Winthrop, Simon Bradstreet,
Roger Williams, John Harvard, William Berkeley;
Foreign: Oliver Cromwell, René Descartes)

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