17-Jun-10 News -- Fannie / Freddie delisted by NY SE

[John]

17-Jun-10 News -- Fannie / Freddie delisted by NY Stock Exchange

** 17-Jun-10 News -- Fannie / Freddie delisted by NY Stock Exchange
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/cgi ... 17#e100617

Contents:
"Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are delisted by NY Stock Exchange"
"With Kyrgyzstan violence ending, it's time to blame someone"
"Some 'good news': More workers are quitting their jobs"
"Additional links"
France will raise retirement age from 60 to 62
United Nations: 43.3 million new refugees last year
Generational change in China on assembly lines
Violence growing on the border between Colombia and Venezuela
Iran bombing Kurds inside Iraq
23 things not to write in an e-mail message
Setting up your WiFi and router

[at99sy]

17-Jun-10 News -- Fannie / Freddie delisted by NY Stock Exchange

** 17-Jun-10 News -- Fannie / Freddie delisted by NY Stock Exchange
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/cgi ... 17#e100617

Contents:
"Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are delisted by NY Stock Exchange"
"With Kyrgyzstan violence ending, it's time to blame someone"
"Some 'good news': More workers are quitting their jobs"
"Additional links"
France will raise retirement age from 60 to 62
United Nations: 43.3 million new refugees last year
Generational change in China on assembly lines
Violence growing on the border between Colombia and Venezuela
Iran bombing Kurds inside Iraq
23 things not to write in an e-mail message
Setting up your WiFi and router

Looks like those Job quitters are lining up like you said John.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/New-claim ... 0.html?x=0

"WASHINGTON (AP) -- The number of people filing new claims for jobless benefits jumped last week after three straight declines, another sign that the pace of layoffs has not slowed.

"Initial claims for jobless benefits rose by 12,000 to a seasonally adjusted 472,000, the Labor Department said Thursday. It was the highest level in a month and overshadowed a report that consumer prices remain essentially flat."

"The number of people continuing to claim benefits rose by 88,000 to 4.57 million. That doesn't include about 5.2 million people who receive extended benefits paid for by the federal government.
Congress has added 73 weeks of extra benefits on top of the 26 weeks typically provided by states. All told, about 9.7 million people received unemployment insurance in the week ending May 29, the most recent data available."


The blatantly erroneous daily reports about how great the economy is doing, would make for great comic fodder if it were not a cruel and horrible lie being forced down our throats. Numbers like this should make citizens riot and the stock market crash. How much longer can this parade of fools go on? IMHO the only reason we have not had a total melt down is due to these extended benefits. If the Feds stopped paying 5.2 MILLION familys there would be a very large, vocal and unhappy/unruly crowd gathered outside of capitol buildings across the country. As long as the welfare keeps flowing that should temper the mood. As long as there are diversions to the misery and desparation then peace will continue. If the free money stops flowing.............. Look the #$%@ out! Where the hell is our leadership?

[JR]

Regarding Kyrgyzstan, you state,

From the point of view of Generational Dynamics, to blame this kind of violence on a few "provocateurs" doesn't make sense.

OF COURSE provacateurs focus their efforts on the most volatile targets. What, are they supposed to be daring and organized yet also stupid? If your statement be true, Generational Dynamics fails to recognize the effects of intention on events, which would be a sorry lack in a theory of history.

[John]

> Regarding Kyrgyzstan, you state, From the point of view of
> Generational Dynamics, to blame this kind of violence on a few
> "provocateurs" doesn't make sense.

> OF COURSE provacateurs focus their efforts on the most volatile
> targets. What, are they supposed to be daring and organized yet
> also stupid? If your statement be true, Generational Dynamics
> fails to recognize the effects of intention on events, which would
> be a sorry lack in a theory of history.

I thought that I had explained this adequately in the article.

Suppose that a "provocateur" went into New York City and tried to stir
up trouble by trying to get people to cross the river and kill people
in New Jersey. He might be able to get a few criminals to cooperate,
and perhaps kill a few people in NJ or burn down their homes. But it
wouldn't go anywhere, because there's no animus between NYC and NJ.

The news reports say that a couple of dozen "provocateurs" caused the
Kyrgyz to attack the Uzbeks, and that this caused what is now being
described as thousands of killings and a million refugees. There is
simply no way that result could have been obtained unless the Kyrgyz
were already primed to do it anyway, and were just waiting for the
right triggering mechanism. So the provocateurs could not have CAUSED
the outcome, but they could have TRIGGERED the outcome that was going
to occur sooner or later anyway.

Another way to describe the difference between the NYC/NJ example and
the Kyrgyzstan example is by means of the word "viral." In the former
case, the violence would continue only as long as the group of
provocateurs were around to keep things going. But it's obvious that
the violence is Kyrgyzstan was viral and self-sustaining, involving
hundreds of thousands of people, even among people who had had no
contact with the provocateurs.

From the point of view of Generational Dynamics, what's important is
the attitude and behaviors of the masses of people, entire generations
of people. The attitudes of a few politicians, or a few provocateurs,
are irrelevant, except insofar as they reflect the views of the
people.

John

[Tom Acre]

Or think of it as a chemical reaction, the vat of Kyrgyz G3&G4 and Uzbek G3&G4 reached instability, the tiniest drop of catalyst set off a massive reaction.

This is one reason that once you get beyond the pundits who are too stupid and/or ignorant to understand, the ones who have a selfish motives, and the ones with their heads firmly wedged up their posteriors, most of the few remaining absolutely will not under any circumstances state the obvious about the economy and the markets. These few know that almost any catalyst could set off the inevitable and inescapable chaos for which they don't want any part of the blame, which the stupid, selfish and oblivious 90% will be throwing aimlessly about after the chaos ensues.

[JR]

Thanks John.

The attitudes of a few politicians, or a few provocateurs,
are irrelevant, except insofar as they reflect the views of the
people.

Not at all true.

Provacateurs aim at weak spots, for the purpose of disorganization and possibly panic, so that the provacateurs' sponsors may be called upon to restore and maintain order, incidentally implementing unrelated agenda. An understanding of Generational Dynamics helps the provacateur aim his disruprtion; does it help sensible people anticipate and respond appropriately?

[John]

> Thanks John.
>
> John: The attitudes of a few politicians, or a few provocateurs,
> are irrelevant, except insofar as they reflect the views of the
> people.

> Not at all true. Provocateurs aim at weak spots, for the purpose
> of disorganization and possibly panic, so that the provocateurs'
> sponsors may be called upon to restore and maintain order,
> incidentally implementing unrelated agenda. An understanding of
> Generational Dynamics helps the provocateur aim his disruption;
> does it help sensible people anticipate and respond appropriately?

I really don't understand what you're saying. I was commenting on a
news report that said that 10-20 provocateurs were being accused of
causing the violence -- thousands of casualties, and hundreds of
thousands of refugees. My comment was essentially that that such huge
masses of violence could not have occurred by a couple dozen
provocateurs unless there was already a predisposition for this
violence, and that other things could have triggered it as well. That
seems relatively obvious to me, with or without generational theory.

By the way, I described the Kyrgyz violence with the phrase "viral and
self-sustaining" for the first time in this conversation. I think
that's an interesting phrasing, and I'll probably be developing that
concept in the next few months in relation to generational theory.
The idea is that if there's a way to measure how "viral and
self-sustaining" violence is in a given society, then it might
indicate what generational era the society is, and how deeply the
society is into a generational Crisis era. It's possible that this
would be a better measure than war deaths, which has proven to be a
poor indicator of crisis wars.

John

[OLD1953]

Sounds related to the meme concept. Given that memes are essentially viral ideas, then we might suppose that some memes are so powerful they override normal human reactions when they are acquired.

That would explain a lot, a meme whos "time has come" might well burn through an entire population in a matter of days. Might be related to the sudden rise of Mohammed or Buddha or the sudden dramatic shifts in public opinion one finds throughout history.