19-Apr-11 News-Deflationary spiral approaches crisis levels

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19-Apr-11 News-Deflationary spiral approaches crisis levels

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19-Apr-11 News -- Deflationary spiral approaches crisis levels in U.S. and Europe

Standard & Poors puts U.S. government debt on negative watch

** 19-Apr-11 News -- Deflationary spiral approaches crisis levels in U.S. and Europe
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Contents:
"Deflationary spiral approaches crisis levels in U.S. and Europe"
"Inflation versus deflation"
"Bernanke versus the World"

### "World View"
"More talk of 'boots on the ground' in Libya"
"Libyan assets will be hard to unfreeze"
"Palestinians reaffirm plans to seek Palestinian state through U.N. in September"
"Chinese organized crime grows substantially in Russia"
"Number of Violent Neo-Nazis Rising in Germany"
"Young generation of Russians more intolerant of other ethnic groups"

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According to the link I posted in the financial forum, we are down about 1.5 trillions since 2010. Bernake has held the line there, which is an accomplishment of sorts, but he's done so at the cost of the US bond rating. Probably not a good thing.

The editors at FactCheck.org have seen and handled Obama's birth certificate, they testify it's authentic.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008 ... e_usa.html

The sole thing keeping that "controversy" alive is that saying "birth certificate" guarantees at least two news cycles devoted to the individual who said it. I suppose that's part of the deepening crisis, factchecking is gone and we have lazy reporters simply repeating anything anyone says with the motto "you decide". How is a random person supposed to spend the effort to do the fact checking and make an informed decision? That's the reporters JOB, to check the facts and state them!

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OLD1953 wrote: The editors at FactCheck.org have seen and handled Obama's birth certificate, they testify it's authentic.
People are not saying what Obama showed is not authentic. They are saying this is just the "short form" and they would like to see the "long form". Obama is not giving this out nor is he permitting Hawaii to give this out.

FactCheck.org does understand that there is both a short form and a long form but said they did not see how to get the long form:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008 ... e_usa.html

Others say there are ways for people to get the long form if they want to:

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=285921

But there are claims and counterclaims about Hawaii releasing long form birth certificates any more:

http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/04/12/ ... tificates/

I think John's theory that the long form says Obama is Muslim sounds good, but it may not fit. People have shown example long form certificates they say are from that time and only have race of parents, not child. And no religion. So maybe even John's theory does not work.

http://nativeborncitizen.files.wordpres ... yke-61.gif

The "long form" is called "Certificate of live birth" and the short form is "Certification of live birth". Note there is a slight difference.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_d ... _of_Hawaii

So I think there is enough confusion that this will go on for awhile yet.
But when such a large fraction of the population feels that their president may not be in office in accordance with law, there are real dangers to society. People will fight a "usurper". Obama is taking a real risk in keeping this secret, so there must be something he does not want released. Otherwise why not just sign a document saying, "Hawaii can release any and all information they have related to my birth"?

Obama once said, "The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Rwwv8mdG6E

One idea is that Obama was adopted. He does look a lot like Malcolm-X. Though I doubt Malcolm-X is his biological father. I do think Obama is hiding something but I sure don't know what.

http://israelinsider.net/profiles/blogs ... ret-son-of

Another theory is that his name was legally changed to Barry Soetoro when he was adopted by his second father but that he never legally changed it back. By this theory the name is still Barry Soetoro in the Hawaii computers or on the long form record. This seems a stretch too. I could imagine that his legal name was still Barry Soetoro though. Whatever the truth turns out to be it will probably be a bit unusual.
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John,
As will most days I checked your blog, I understand your stance on deflation but would like to know your definition and the cause of hyperinflation. I believe that hyperinflation has nothing to do with inflation (increase in the money supply) or deflation (decease in the money supply), but is a direct correlation to the loss of confidence in the currency.
Brister

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I'm sorry, but this is just Birther Nonsense...does your Birth Certificate list your religion?....why would an infant have a religion?...isn't it a bit premature for him/her to have made his/her mind???....and don't get me started on my Sunday School = Child Abuse rant....


as for the whole "controversy," it is nonsense too, but with a very real agenda....whenever anyone (Sarah Palin, Pat Buchanan, Faux News) uses the phrase "real American," they are planting that seed of doubt and discrimination...everybody knows that real Americans are white, male, honest, working class folks, not those "other" types...the Birther agenda is just a convenient gateway...

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shoshin wrote: as for the whole "controversy," it is nonsense too, but with a very real agenda....whenever anyone (Sarah Palin, Pat Buchanan, Faux News) uses the phrase "real American," they are planting that seed of doubt and discrimination...everybody knows that real Americans are white, male, honest, working class folks, not those "other" types...the Birther agenda is just a convenient gateway...
If so, then Obama refusing to authorize Hawaii to release everything they have is helping the Birthers. Why would Obama let them keep this convenient gateway?

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John wrote:A strengthening of the dollar is consistent with the global deflationary spiral.
So yesterday was sort of consistent with deflation; however, most of the rest of the last 3 months and today's 0.6% drop is not consistent with deflation.

http://quotes.ino.com/chart/index.html? ... a=&w=&v=d3

Measuring dollars against other paper money that is dropping in value is a really low standard. If you compared dollars to the CRB (a large basket of commodities where the real value is not changing) then it looks very much like inflation.

http://quotes.ino.com/chart/index.html? ... &w=&v=dmax
http://quotes.ino.com/chart/index.html? ... =&w=&v=d12

Of course if you converted your paper money into gold coins and looked at prices in terms of gold, like people were doing during other major deflations, then you would see deflation.

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vincecate wrote:
shoshin wrote: as for the whole "controversy," it is nonsense too, but with a very real agenda....whenever anyone (Sarah Palin, Pat Buchanan, Faux News) uses the phrase "real American," they are planting that seed of doubt and discrimination...everybody knows that real Americans are white, male, honest, working class folks, not those "other" types...the Birther agenda is just a convenient gateway...
If so, then Obama refusing to authorize Hawaii to release everything they have is helping the Birthers. Why would Obama let them keep this convenient gateway?

There may be a completely different reason for hiding something,

http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/12/24/ ... h-citizen/

Apparently his father was a British subject, and by decent Obama is "British"

And if I understand the Constitution both parents have to be U. S. citizens.

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The birth certificate they've given out is the standard for Hawaii in the year Obama was born. The man can't time travel. Hawaii is not required to keep documentation once it's been entered on a computer by any federal mandate, the notion that there is a "doctor's form" out there somewhere is probably a fantasy. And what possible difference would it make? If the original piece of paper some doctor filled out to provide the information that went digital was found tomorrow in a Honolulu hospital archive somewhere, it would be declared a forgery and the beat would just go on. There is NO possible means by which this will be quieted, so there's no point in discussing it.

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