Oakwood - Many of the things you've posted in this forum have been way
across the line, and have been offensive to me and other forum
members. I'm responding to you here.
Oakwood wrote:
> Are you serious? That statement, along with the rest of your
> article, again makes me conclude that you have a far-right bias,
> IMHO. (To say nothing of the fact that you frequently babble on
> about the loony left, never mentioning the rabid right). Yes, the
> left do get violent sometimes in America, but most of the time
> their rioting involves property crimes, as did that incident in
> Santa Cruz. In the U.S. when there's a riot involving leftists and
> somebody dies, it's usually because the cops killed them. And
> despite their frequent attachment to Christianity, right-wingers
> are much more interested in hurting other people than leftists
> are. The article below comes from the Southern Poverty Law Center,
> a (politically neutral) highly respected organization which
> studies hate crimes in the U.S. (The article doesn't even address
> the threats toward and murders of abortionists and bombings of
> abortion clinics which originate from "devout" right-wing
> Christians). If you've ever been in a prison, you'd know you'd
> rather be in a cell with a left-wing loony instead of a right-wing
> skinhead, even you John. Now tell me where the real violence is
> coming from and try to get your facts straight and keep your
> biases out.
Oh, really? Then I guess it's perfectly OK with you for someone to
bomb an abortion clinic, as long as it was in the middle of the night,
so no one would get hurt. After all, as you say, it's just a
"property crime," so you're all in favor of it, right?
And I wouldn't like to be in a cell with one of those "peace
activists" who were clubbing people on the boat to gaza, or one of the
"peaceful protestors" who actually were Ronin warriors murdering
people in Bangkok a couple of weeks ago.
Your rantings don't even make sense. In one case you refer to
left-wing protestors being killed by the cops, where I interpret your
point to mean the "right-wing cops." And then you quote an article
about shootings of policemen as also being right-wing crimes. Well,
by your logic, shouldn't shooting a policeman be a left-wing crime?
And the you quote the ultra-far-left-wing racist hate group SPLC as
saying that anyone who opposes President Obama's policies is part of
the "explosive growth in the anti-government movement," resulting in
"a year of hate and extremism." Apparently it's OK to call President
Bush a fascist, a nazi, and a war criminal, but it's not ok to be
against President Obama's health care proposal. Opposing Bush is
patriotic, but opposing Obama is racist and fascist, according to you
and SPLC.
Or how about this: "Furious anti-immigrant vigilante groups soared by
nearly 80%." I don't know whether anti-immigrant groups are
right-wing or left-wing, but I do know that both Republicans AND
Democrats in Arizona are strongly in favor of the anti-immigrant bill.
Gee, I certainly hope that James Carville is on the SPLC's extremist
hate group list, because he completely fits the SPLC description of
hatred and extremism.
** 31-May-10 News -- Louisiana versus the United States
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/cgi ... 31#e100531
Perhaps you could check for us on whether Carville is on the SPLC
list.
Or how about America's racist-bigot-in-chief, Bill Maher, who now says
the following:
Bill Maher wrote:
> "I thought when we elected a black president, we were going to get
> a black president. You know, this [BP oil spill] is where I want a
> real black president. I want him in a meeting with the BP CEOs,
> you know, where he lifts up his shirt so you can see the gun in
> his pants. That's -- (in black man voice) 'we've got a
> motherfu**ing problem here?' Shoot somebody in the foot."
>
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... ident.html
Gosh, is Maher on the SPLC's list of people in extremist hate groups?
Please check that out for me, would you?
Also, when Hillary Clinton was running against Obama in 2008, both
Bill and Hillary were identified as racists by the Obama campaign.
Please check to make sure that both of them are on the SPLC list.
As far as I can tell from your rants, you automatically assume that
any violent crime must automatically be right-wing violence,
especially if the perpetrator expresses any disagreement with the
U.S. government, even the IRS. Is it even possible for anyone on the
left wing to even commit a crime, in your view? If someone dislikes
President Bush and commits a crime, is that left-wing violence?
In my article about the rise of left-wing violence, I wasn't talking
about individual crimes committed by individual people, like the ones
you're describing. I was talking about organized movements. The Tea
Party movement is an organized movement, and they're anti-government,
and they generally dislike and oppose Obama's policies, but those darn
Tea Partiers won't cooperate with you by killing someone, even though
the SPLC thinks that they're "shot through with racism."
Your rantings are some of the worst examples I've seen of what I've
been writing about. You're so full of bigotry and hatred that your
rants don't even make sense.
This is the stuff of history. Attitudes like yours can be seen
throughout history, and the people who hold those views are just as
certain of their "facts" and the validity of their bigoted views as
you are.
The Nazis didn't think of themselves a bigoted. They had all the
"facts" that they needed: Every time a Jewish banker screwed someone,
to the Nazis it proved that ALL Jews are criminals, and ALL Jews were
responsible for German's humiliation in WW I and for the subsequent
financial crisis. And besides that, Jews were filthy, according to
the Nazi reasoning, and engaged in perverted sexual activities.
The KKK didn't think of themselves as bigoted. They had all the
"facts" that they needed: Every time a black person committed a crime,
to the KKK it proved that ALL black people are criminals, and that
black people were taking money and jobs from decent white folks. And
besides that, black people were filthy, according to the KKK
reasoning, and engaged in perverted sexual activities.
And you don't think of yourself as bigoted. You have all the "facts"
you need: Every time any crime is committed by someone who opposes
Obama's policies, to you it proves that ALL people who oppose Obama's
policies are right-wing racist extremists who want to hurt people and
discriminate against decent left-wing people like yourself. And
besides that, Tea Partiers are filthy, according to your reasoning,
and engage in perverted sexual activities, which is why you and others
of your ilk constantly call them "tea baggers."
You epitomize the worst types of hatred and bigotry, and one of the
reasons that you're the worst is that you're so certain that your
"facts" are right.
John