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His arguments show what's wrong with mainstream macroeconomics.
I know I shouldn't keep picking on the same guy, after I wrote about his housing recession predictions, but he's so important, and his reasoning is so mainstream, and the mainstream reasoning is so vacuous.
Roubini provides pro and con lists of reasons whether we're having a period of "temporary economic turmoil," versus "a more severe and protracted period of financial market volatility and downturn that could end up into a systemic risk episode."
Since he's laid out the reasons pretty clearly, it's of interest to me to comment on them, as representives of current mainstream economic thinking.
Understanding deflation: Why there's less money in the world today than a month ago.:
As the markets continue to fall, the Fed is increasingly in a big bind....
(10-Sep-07)
Alan Greenspan predicts the panic and crash of 2007:
He's said this kind of thing before, but this time it's resonating....
(08-Sep-07)
Bernanke's historic experiment takes center stage:
An assessment of where we are and where we're going....
(27-Aug-07)
How to compute the "real value" of the stock market. :
And some additional speculations about stock market crashes.
(20-Aug-2007)
Ben Bernanke's Great Historic Experiment:
Bernanke doesn't believe that bubbles exist. His Fed policy will now test his core beliefs....
(18-Aug-07)
Redemptions of money market funds now fully in doubt:
Wednesday is the deadline for 3Q redemption of many hedge fund shares....
(15-Aug-07)
Alan Greenspan defends his Fed policies, as people blame him for the subprime crisis:
Greenspan never ceases to amaze, and he did so again on Monday....
(8-Aug-07)
Nouriel Roubini says: "Worry about systemic risk." Whoo hoo!:
His arguments show what's wrong with mainstream macroeconomics....
(6-Aug-07)
Robert Shiller compares stock market to 1929:
He says the recent fall was caused by "market psychology," but is puzzled why....
(20-Mar-07)
A conundrum: How increases in 'risk aversion' lead to higher stock prices:
Maybe because the global financial markets are increasingly "accident-prone."...
(12-Mar-07)
Pundits are suddenly talking about (gasp!) "risk aversion":
Fearing full-scale panic in the mortgage loan marketplace,...
(6-Mar-07)
Alan Greenspan blames the housing bubble on the fall of the Berlin Wall:
Meanwhile, the stock market keeps skyrocketing and appears unstoppable to many investors....
(25-Oct-06)
System Dynamics and the Failure of Macroeconomics Theory :
Mainstream macroeconomic theory, invented by Maynard Keynes in the 1930s, has failed to predict or explain anything that's happened since the bubble started, including the bubble itself. We need a new "Dynamic Macroeconomics" theory.
(25-Oct-2006)
Alan Greenspan gives another harsh doom and gloom speech:
Saying that "the consequences for the U.S. economy of doing nothing could be severe,"...
(4-Dec-05)
Ben S. Bernanke: The man without agony :
Bernanke and Greenspan are as different as night and day, despite what the pundits say.
(29-Oct-2005)
Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan says that the deficit is out of control:
France's Finance Minister Thierry Breton quoted Greenspan...
(25-Sep-05)
Fed Governor Ben Bernanke blames America's sky-high public debt on other nations:
I'm normally wary of applying specific generational archetypes to individuals, but Bernanke is acting like a Baby Boomer....
(14-Mar-05)
Greenspan's testimony further repudiates his earlier stock bubble reasoning:
The Fed Chairman has now completely reversed his previous position on the stock market bubble...
(17-Feb-05)
Alan Greenspan warns that global economic dangers are without historical precedent :
In a speech on Friday, Greenspan buried a major change of position in a speech admitting that his assumptions about the economy for the last decade were wrong.
(6-Feb-2005)
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As I explained at length in my comprehensive analysis of macroeconomic theory that I wrote last year, "System Dynamics and the Failure of Macroeconomics Theory," economists have been wrong about everything, at least since the start of the bubble in 1995. They didn't explain or predict the bubble or its timing. They failed to predict low inflation or high unemployment in the early 2000s. They didn't predict or explain productivity increases. They didn't predict or explain the low interest rate "conundrum." They didn't predict or explain the housing bubble. They've been consistently wrong about almost everything.
Because Roubini lays out the mainstream macroeconomics arguments in such details, it gives me an opportunity to explain again why mainstream macroeconomics is a complete failure.
In the last decade only the LTCM episode in 1998 at the peak of the Asian and emerging markets financial crisis and the bust of the tech bubble in 2000-2001 - that triggered the US recession of 2001 - had systemic implications. Since then we have experienced a variety of other episodes of financial turmoil that have ended up being only temporary shocks. In these episodes of temporary turmoil investors risk aversion sharply rose for a while, volatility indices and gouges of investors risk aversion (such as the Vix, the 10 year swap spread and credit spread) sharply increased; and the financial pressures spilled over from credit/debt markets to equity markets. But in each of the most recent episodes the turmoil was transitory (a few weeks or, at most, a couple of months); once the transitory sources of the financial disturbances disappeared, calm returned to markets and investors risk aversion returned to lower levels.
This gets right to the heart of the debate going on today among mainstream economists. Start with the assertion that the surging economic problems are caused by investors' increasing risk aversion, since investors are then unwilling to buy stocks or remain in the stock market, and so stock share prices fall.
The economists' debate then is about how to get investors' risk aversion back to "normal."
Roubini refers to risk aversion returning "to lower levels." He doesn't say "to normal levels," but the unstated assumption of every pundit, as far as I can tell, is that lower levels are "normal" and today's higher level is "abnormal."
In fact, from the point of view of Generational Dynamics, it's the higher levels of risk aversion that have been abnormal. The current generations of investors have been so fearless, that they've been willing to take any risk whatsoever, making investments that would be out of the question of generations of investors who personally survived the 1930s Great Depression.
So right off the bat, we see that Roubini and other mainstream economists base their reasoning on an incorrect assumption: That the levels of risk aversion in the recent past have been "normal," when in fact they've been abnormally low.
This means that the debate on how to lower risk aversion again to "normal" levels is fundamentally wrong. There may be a way to push it down to abnormally low levels again, but that can't be more than temporary. The level MUST rise to normal levels at some point, and then the bubbles MUST burst.
Since most previous episodes of financial turmoil since 2001 have been temporary, the optimistic and consensus view in the markets is that the current financial turmoil will be again transitory and that risky assets – starting with equities – will recover their upward price path once investors’ nervousness abates. That is certainly possible as previous episodes of turmoil since 2001 were mostly contained. But I will flesh out a number of reasons why the current episode of market turmoil may be more serious and protracted than previous ones and why we should worry now about systemic risk.
Roubini presents one side of the argument. He notes that in previous recent surges in investors' risk aversion, the risk aversion has come down as soon at the triggering event was over. Thus, the argument is that the same thing will happen soon, as soon as investors forget the Bear Stearns debacle.
However, he now proceeds to the opposite arguments: That today's environment has some fundamental differences from previous recent surges, and that "we should worry now about systemic risk."
So, his first reason "why we should worry about systemic risk" is that interest rates have been tightening. What does that have to do with systemic risk? Tightening interest rates were once thought to affect unemployment (Keynesian), and more recently have been thought to affect inflation (Monetarist). But what do they have to do with systemic risk? Roubini is just guessing.
Next, Roubini's second reason to worry is because the American economy has been slowing down. Once again, I have to ask why this means a "systemic risk.
A growth recession is defined as "An economy in which the output of goods and services slowly expands but unemployment remains high or grows."
This gets down to the question of exactly what "systemic risk" Roubini is talking about.
I know what I've been talking about -- since 2002 -- a stock market panic and crash, and a new 1930s style Great Depression.
Roubini seems to be covering all the bases: maybe it'll simply be a deceleration of growth (a "soft landing"), or maybe it'll be a sharp slowdown in housing, capital expenditure spending, and private consumption (a "hard landing"). He's covering all the bases. That way he won't be wrong.
Roubini's third reason to worry is that the "debt, credit and financial excesses of important sectors of the economy" are not "contained."
This of course is a serious problem. This web site started saying so years ago, first talking about a stock market bubble in 2002, then housing and credit bubbles in 2004 and 2005.
The sentence "In the last few years a credit boom – if not a bubble – stimulated asset prices in a typical Minsky-style credit-driven asset bubble" refers to Roubini's previous posting, about economist Hyman Minsky and his view that "periods of economic and financial stability lead to a lowering of investors’ risk aversion and a process of releveraging," or excessive use of credit. This is the Minsky Credit Cycle Model.
According to Roubini, the Minsky Credit Cycle peaked with the Savings and Loan bust in the late 1980s and the dot-com bubble bust in 2000. He says that we're now at the peak of a new Minsky cycle.
Well no, he's not sure it's a bubble. Or maybe he is sure. To repeat what he says: "In the last few years a credit boom – if not a bubble – stimulated asset prices in a typical Minsky-style credit-driven asset bubble. ... fed a US and partly global asset bubble and a credit/debt bubble." Well, it looks like he's covered either way.
In his posting on the Minsky Cycle, he concludes with this: "Note also that, as Minsky - as well as more recently the BIS – have warned the deflation of such credit-driven asset bubbles is historically painful and associated with economic downturns and recessions."
What the heck is this? I've quoted Greenspan many times as saying exactly the same thing: "Any onset of increased investor caution elevates risk premiums and, as a consequence, lowers asset values and promotes the liquidation of the debt that supported higher asset prices. This is the reason that history has not dealt kindly with the aftermath of protracted periods of low risk premiums." Only Greenspan said it two years ago.
The fourth reason is the one that I and many other people have been talking about for months, and has riveted the attention of investors everywhere, ever since the Bear Stearns debacle. No argument here.
And today there is a variety of economic and financial agents that are under financial pressure if not outright distress. Specifically, hundreds of thousands of subprime and near prime households will default on their mortgage and their homes will end up in foreclosure; the ability of the financial and legal system to manage such a surge in bankruptcies is severely limited. Also, over fifty subprime lenders have now gone out of business and now some of the larger lenders – see AHM and Accredited Home Lenders Holdings Co. - are also in trouble and near bankrupt; the mortgage rot is spreading from subprime to near prime and Alt-A (see Countrywide, IndyMac, etc.). Now, there are news of massive losses among major US home builders and rumors that some may be near bankruptcies. There are already half a dozen mid-sized hedge funds – between US, Australia and Europe – that have gone belly up; and every day financial institutions across the world are reporting large subprime-related losses as a lot of the RMBS and CDO were bought by foreign investors. And in a world where most investors in these illiquid instruments (RMBS, CDOs, CLOs, etc.) are marking to model rather than marking to market the extent of the eventual losses is unknown and the number of financial institutions that will go belly up is also unknown and likely to surprise on the upside. Systemic risk episodes often occur with a death through 1000 cuts rather than one single major – a’ la LTCM – blow."
So Roubini's conclusion then is that we should indeed "worry about systemic risk."
I find that his summary is useful as representing the point of view of mainstream economists today.
This entire posting illustrates everything that's wrong with modern macroeconomics.
In order to illustrate the problem, I'd like to return to and expand upon an analogy that I've used before: a heat wave in New York City in November.
Here's the situation: It's New York City, and it's late November. There's been a heat wave, and now the weather has cooled off a bit, and there's a debate going on over whether winter is coming.
I'm going to mimic Roubini's arguments, pro and con. First, here are the arguments that winter is NOT coming:
Notice the "cause and effect" confusion in this argument: Do the pedestrians' heavy coats cause the chill, or does the chill cause the heavy coats? The argument could go either way, and leaves the possibility open that either interpretation is correct.
I first wrote about this problem in September, 2004, in an article entitled "Federal Reserve congratulates itself on jawboning policy." I commented on a study by Ben Bernanke that supposedly showed that long-term interest rates have been kept low merely because the Fed SAID that they would remain low. By setting expectations, Bernanke's study claimed, the economy stayed stable, because the Fed SAID it would remain stable.
This claim was ludicrous in 2004, but now in 2007 surely even Bernanke can't believe it. But that's the same argument that by convincing people not to wear heavy coats, then the weather won't get cold.
In Roubini's argument, reflecting mainstream economic theory, the risk averseness of the investors has been increasing at the same time that market turmoil occurs. Which is cause, and which is effect? Economists really have no idea, but the hope is there that if we can only convince people to be risk-seeking again, then the market will start heating up again, and the bubble will grow again.
Now I'll mimic Roubini's arguments in the other direction:
You may think that I'm making a joke in comparing these weather arguments to Roubini's economics arguments, but I'm not. The two sets of arguments are equally invalid.
If you want to understand whether winter is coming, you have to go back farther than September or October -- you have to go back a full year or two to previous Novembers. Any attempted comparison at all between November's weather and September's weather is going to fail, because they're at different points in the seasonal cycle. The comparisons are totally irrelevant.
Similarly, if you want to understand today's economic climate, you have to go back much farther than 2003 or 2000 or the 1990s or the 1980s. Any macroeconomic model developed at those times cannot possibly be relevant to today's economy, because they're at different points in the long-term economic cycle. The comparisons are totally irrelevant.
To understand today's economic conditions, you have to compare it to the 1920s. But mainstream economists NEVER do that, because they believe that the they've totally solved the "Great Depression" problem, and that it will never happen again.
Over the years, I've given many arguments why we're headed for a major panic and stock market crash, and a new 1930s style Great Depression. But the following argument, that I've made many times, is really all by itself absolute proof: The Price/Earnings ratio since 1995 has been way above its average of around 14, and has to be around 5 for a decade to maintain its long-term average (the Law of Mean Reversion).
This argument is not exactly rocket science; it's pretty standard stuff. If Nouriel Roubini or any other mainstream economist even simply ADDRESSED these arguments, and at least TRIED to explain why this argument is wrong, the attempt might give me some pause.
But they never do. They simply ignore these arguments, and go obsessively into details on Minsky Cycles and other stuff from which you can't conclude anything.
That's one of the reasons why I've no doubt these last few years that Generational Dynamics is correct, and all of its predictions are correct: Almost no one ever bothers to address the arguments, even when the arguments are obvious.
And so, as I've said so many times before, Generational Dynamics
predicts that we're headed for a new 1930s style Great Depression.
It's impossible to make short term predictions, but for the reasons
that I've given in numerous recent articles, the economy now appears
to be deteriorating rapidly, and so the time may well be getting
close.
(6-Aug-07)
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