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Post#151 at 01-17-2016 08:31 PM by Taramarie [at Christchurch, New Zealand joined Jul 2015 #posts 2,762]
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
I guess we should have a poll asking which one of these we each suffer most from. Assuming we would answer honestly, of course.

Pride, as you describe its harm, amounts to self-deception. We can't see our own faults, because that disturbs our inflated self-concept; what we'd like to think we are. So it goeth before a fall when reality knocks. But if we know our own magnificence, and that it comes from our higher self which we all have, we have no need for false pride, or to hurt others by putting them down. When we can put ourselves in others' shoes, then we can follow the golden rule instead of the sin of pride.

Envy, I have for other things besides money. Like you say, it's motivating, provided it does not prompt you to obstruct or hurt others in your attempt to get what you want. It also blinds you to what you already have, which from the enlightened or esoteric perspective, means you are blind to the fact that what you want is already within you.

Wrath or anger comes to us through frustration and insecurity; it is fear acted out. Sometimes it can get you off your duff.

Sloth or laziness often happens because we think we can't succeed, so we give up or procrastinate. Or we have been drained of energy because we are clinging to life or distracted by temptations.

Avarice or greed is also a form of fear and insecurity. We think we don't have enough, so we have to have more, and cling to it. And if we are deceived that life is material, we naturally want more things. If we know that life is spiritual, then we want soul development instead.

Gluttony is one of my favorite sins to indulge in. Fortunately, it doesn't go TOO far in my case. It is often a substitute for real fulfillment, which might require us to face fear, or to do work. We fill ourselves with food when our life seems otherwise empty, especially empty of love. But relationships are difficult, so we settle for a stimulation and contact that is easier.

Lust is a kind of craving, and a kind of envy. Not for money, but for beauty in the flesh. Like gluttony, we are not convinced that physical beauty can come easily to us, so we over-compensate. We might see beauty in others, but not recognize that we already have it in ourselves. In moderation, like envy, it is motivating. It's often frowned on a lot (including by some folks here?), as well as promoted and used for commerce a lot.

The Enneagram is another contemporary, esoteric version, with 9 sins instead of 7.

For me...

Pride: I actually struggle with this one. I am stubborn sometimes, but at the same time I always like to see what others think. Civic characteristic maybe? I ask a lot of questions too as I like other opinions, so I do not think this is a huge characteristic of mine. My mother is always here to make sure my self esteem is low.

Envy: No, I am actually very happy with what I have. As long as I have my basics, my fur babies, family and my computer I am quite content with that. I have dreams of being a film maker but I am very happy with where I am. I work atm simply to help my mother pay off her credit cards and put food on the table. I work around some very rich people. I admire the artistry in the trinklets they have but i personally do not want things like that. I want to do what makes me happy and things will not fulfill that.

Wrath: I think you all know this is my worst trait.

Sloth: I can definitely procrastinate, but when working I go the other extreme and do not take any rests till it is completed. Then I sloth it.

Greed: This is not one of my traits at all. I love giving things to people. I am giving up all of my accumulated holiday leave to cash it in to give it to my mother to pay her credit cards. My mother likes to spend. What money I get goes towards feeding us and paying off her debt.

Gluttony: fortunately I am lactose intolerant. So I literally cannot go overboard with milk products. But other kinds of sweets or chips, yes. But I stop when full. I do have my limits. I am a slow eater and pick at it through the day.

Lust: Honestly, I could not give a shit about this.
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Post#152 at 01-18-2016 02:59 AM by decadeologist101 [at joined Jun 2014 #posts 899]
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Lack of respect for rights and lack of respect for people in general.
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Post#153 at 01-18-2016 02:41 PM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Quote Originally Posted by decadeologist101 View Post
Lack of respect for rights and lack of respect for people in general.
The person who lacks boundaries between his own desires and the rights of other people is the potential thief, rapist, and domestic abuser.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters







Post#154 at 01-18-2016 02:42 PM by Taramarie [at Christchurch, New Zealand joined Jul 2015 #posts 2,762]
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Quote Originally Posted by pbrower2a View Post
The person who lacks boundaries between his own desires and the rights of other people is the potential thief, rapist, and domestic abuser.

i can name one person who may qualify for this here
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Post#155 at 01-18-2016 03:19 PM by annla899 [at joined Sep 2008 #posts 2,860]
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If the poll had included Fear, then I would have voted.







Post#156 at 01-18-2016 03:25 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by annla899 View Post
If the poll had included Fear, then I would have voted.
I think fear is at the root of several of the options, including the one I chose (unmindfulness).
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Post#157 at 01-18-2016 08:30 PM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Quote Originally Posted by annla899 View Post
If the poll had included Fear, then I would have voted.
Good point. For good reason Franklin Delano Roosevelt told us:

"We have nothing to fear... but Fear Itself!"

If I were to include another Deadly Sin it would be Cowardice. Medieval society was so full of hubristic pride that cowardice was a rarity.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


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Post#158 at 01-20-2016 01:52 PM by TnT [at joined Feb 2005 #posts 2,005]
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In "The Christmas Carol," the Ghost of Christmas Present hid beneath his cloak the children "Ignorance" and "Want." He went on to warn Scrooge about them, pointing especially at "Ignorance."

They are pretty close to the top of the list for me.
" ... a man of notoriously vicious and intemperate disposition."
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