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Post#1 at 04-15-2012 12:17 AM by 95 and alive [at joined Dec 2011 #posts 544]
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British Turnings and Generations

A discussion about British Generations and Turnings.

BTW, would Ireland have the same generational and turning cycle as the rest of the British Isles?
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Post#2 at 04-15-2012 12:29 AM by Chas'88 [at In between Pennsylvania & Pennsyltucky joined Nov 2008 #posts 9,432]
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Quote Originally Posted by 95 and alive View Post
A discussion about British Generations and Turnings.

BTW, would Ireland have the same generational and turning cycle as the rest of the British Isles?
It was determined elsewhere that Ireland is a Turning ahead of Britain. Ireland is in alignment with Russia & the former Yugoslavian nations. Which tells you something about what the general "European" Timeline *cough*Teutonics*cough* is based off of if the extremes are on different timelines *cough*Slavic and Celtic*cough*. It's only in the extremes that those peoples escaped the influence of the Teutonics.

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"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."







Post#3 at 04-15-2012 12:34 AM by 95 and alive [at joined Dec 2011 #posts 544]
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Quote Originally Posted by Chas'88 View Post
It was determined elsewhere that Ireland is a Turning ahead of Britain. Ireland is in alignment with Russia & the former Yugoslavian nations. Which tells you something about what the general "European" Timeline is based off of if the extremes are on different timelines.

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I wonder why though... Its seems pretty ironic to me







Post#4 at 04-15-2012 12:44 AM by Chas'88 [at In between Pennsylvania & Pennsyltucky joined Nov 2008 #posts 9,432]
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Quote Originally Posted by 95 and alive View Post
I wonder why though... Its seems pretty ironic to me
Look at my edit to find my speculative answer.

Irish War of Independence


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"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."







Post#5 at 04-15-2012 12:57 PM by 95 and alive [at joined Dec 2011 #posts 544]
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Quote Originally Posted by Chas'88 View Post
It was determined elsewhere that Ireland is a Turning ahead of Britain. Ireland is in alignment with Russia & the former Yugoslavian nations. Which tells you something about what the general "European" Timeline *cough*Teutonics*cough* is based off of if the extremes are on different timelines *cough*Slavic and Celtic*cough*. It's only in the extremes that those peoples escaped the influence of the Teutonics.

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Very interesting...







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Right Arrow List of British Generations A Recap

As a recap here are the list of British Generations.....

Victorian (1840-1862) (Artist/Civic Hybrid)
*Imperial (1863-1869) ( Humanist Cusp)
Ecumenical: (1867 - 1886) ( Prophet)
* Edwardian (1880-1887) ( Critc Cusp)
Conptemptible ( 1887- 1907) ( Nomad)
* Bright ( Rebel Cusp) (1900-1908)
Victory ( Civic) ( 1908-1927)
* Angry (1922- 1927) ( Builder Cusp)
Air Raid ( 1928- 1945) ( Artist)
* Swiging ( 1939-1945) ( Humanist Cusp)
Boom ( 1946-1965) ( Prophet)
*Punk ( 1959- 1965) ( Crtic Cusp)
Hoolgian( 1966- 1987) (Nomad)
* (1980-1987) Hoolgian/Millie Cusp ( Rebel)
Millie ( 1988-2005) ( Civic)






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Post#7 at 04-15-2012 03:00 PM by JohnMc82 [at Back in Jax joined Jan 2011 #posts 1,962]
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Quote Originally Posted by 95 and alive View Post
I wonder why though... Its seems pretty ironic to me
I'm having fun answering stuff with pictures, and everything looks like empire to me, so:

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Those words, "temperate and moderate", are words either of political cowardice, or of cunning, or seduction. A thing, moderately good, is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper, is always a virtue; but moderation in principle, is a species of vice.

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Post#8 at 04-17-2012 08:33 AM by Tussilago [at Gothenburg, Sweden joined Jan 2010 #posts 1,500]
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At least all of Christendom is part of one big cultural system and we've been like that for hundreds of years. I simply find it odd that particular countries or regions within our civilization would not be part of the prevailing mood of everywhere else.

Here's a good one about the rise of synthpop in late 70's Britain by the way, featuring in the subtext the passage from Awakening to Unraveling. Turns out synthesizer music (along with new wave, punk, new romantics and everything else interrelated of course) can be viewed as the pop musical dimension in the origin and the early transformative stages of the 3T, where new instruments wielded by a young generation (mostly Jonesers with Xer audiences) among other things got mercilessly prosecuted by the Boomer musical press:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69Wjc6QYuKI
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Post#9 at 04-17-2012 12:23 PM by Uzi [at joined Oct 2005 #posts 2,254]
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The spread of romantic nationalism contributed in part to the emergence of nation-states in Europe after the Great War. These states entered a period of institution building directly after the war, a kind of first turning. While the cultural trends that occurred all over the West affected these countries too, institutionally, the 1918-1939 period was kind of like a 1T, when the institutional order was set. Of course, in eastern Europe, that order was scrapped during the Communist takeovers, making the latter 1940s and 1950s a new, different kind of 1T.
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Post#10 at 04-17-2012 12:38 PM by Tussilago [at Gothenburg, Sweden joined Jan 2010 #posts 1,500]
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Quote Originally Posted by Uzi View Post
The spread of romantic nationalism contributed in part to the emergence of nation-states in Europe after the Great War. These states entered a period of institution building directly after the war, a kind of first turning. While the cultural trends that occurred all over the West affected these countries too, institutionally, the 1918-1939 period was kind of like a 1T, when the institutional order was set. Of course, in eastern Europe, that order was scrapped during the Communist takeovers, making the latter 1940s and 1950s a new, different kind of 1T.
Now I don't understand a thing. It was the nation states (with a few exceptions, like Austria-Hungary, depending how you look at it) that went to war against each other in 1914, and the devastating conclusion has caused a cultural legitimacy crisis for nationalism ever since (see, cultural marxism, national socialism etc). The only nations (except Ireland) that were granted their sovereignity following WWI were central/east European countries that soon lost their independence during and after WWII, and places like Hungary, Czechoslovakia and Poland certainly were not new to nationalist passions and aspirations before the Great War.
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Quote Originally Posted by Tussilago View Post
Now I don't understand a thing. It was the nation states (with a few exceptions, like Austria-Hungary, depending how you look at it) that went to war against each other in 1914, and the devastating conclusion has caused a cultural legitimacy crisis for nationalism ever since (see, cultural marxism, national socialism etc). The only nations (except Ireland) that were granted their sovereignity following WWI were central/east European countries that soon lost their independence during and after WWII, and places like Hungary, Czechoslovakia and Poland certainly were not new to nationalist passions and aspirations before the Great War.
Not true min svenska všn, Iceland got its autonomy in 1918.
"It's easy to grin, when your ship's come in, and you've got the stock market beat. But the man who's worth while is the man who can smile when his pants are too tight in the seat." Judge Smails, Caddyshack.

"Every man with a bellyful of the classics is an enemy of the human race." Henry Miller.

1979 - Generation Perdu







Post#12 at 04-19-2012 12:14 AM by SF_Steve_63 [at joined Apr 2012 #posts 114]
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Quote Originally Posted by Tussilago View Post
At least all of Christendom is part of one big cultural system and we've been like that for hundreds of years. I simply find it odd that particular countries or regions within our civilization would not be part of the prevailing mood of everywhere else.

Here's a good one about the rise of synthpop in late 70's Britain by the way, featuring in the subtext the passage from Awakening to Unraveling. Turns out synthesizer music (along with new wave, punk, new romantics and everything else interrelated of course) can be viewed as the pop musical dimension in the origin and the early transformative stages of the 3T, where new instruments wielded by a young generation (mostly Jonesers with Xer audiences) among other things got mercilessly prosecuted by the Boomer musical press:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69Wjc6QYuKI
I lived in the UK during the mid 90s. Obviously I was late to the above party, however, it was fascinating to me to experience the thick of the electonica / rave culture UK style. Most of my coworkers were from the Punk and Hooligan cohorts (young workforce at my place of employment) with far less of the Boomer domination I'd previously experienced in the previous US workplaces. They enjoyed the fact that I had been schooled in punk, had been in a punk band, and had been part of the 1980s SoCal Westside hard core / "Nardcore" scene and was very aware of UK punk / wave / goth / post punk / electro / techno / etc. That said I was not unaware of more traditional cultural elements / history and could be found in search of the monk produced Holy Isle mead.

What a great part of life.
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