I've always perceived Mediterranean Europeans to be big on "Machismo". when I think of the kind of men you are thinking of I think of the French.Originally Posted by Uzi
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I've always perceived Mediterranean Europeans to be big on "Machismo". when I think of the kind of men you are thinking of I think of the French.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
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When he actually starts singing about adult issues/problems as opposed to idealistic pop songs a 10 year old could write he can be treated as an adult.
j.p.
"And did you get what you wanted from this life, even so? I did. And what did you want? To call myself beloved, to feel myself beloved on the earth." -- Raymond Carver
"A page of good prose remains invincible." -- John Cheever
Exactly, I have noticed that the vast majority of people that call into our local top-40 pop station are women, while most people calling into the Alternative Rock station are men. I doubt that is only a Fargo thing.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
It's not at all. Not in Philly or NC.
Born in 1981 and INFJ Gen Yer
Yes, but then like I said, pop music was a pretty large range back then. My mother liked the Beatles, Neil Diamond, Carol King, etc. And I'd say that her friends and my aunts did too. And us other little girls mainly listened to same kind of stuff. My dad listened to pop music too, but he was really more into the country pop stuff like Glen Campbell...Which was also played on the top 40 stations back then too.
It really wasn't until the late 70's and early 80's that top 40 or rock started splintering into different genres when FM radio came to be and stations started playing more selective types of pop or rock or music. Now a days you probably wouldn't hear Justin Bieber and heavy metal type music on the same station, but you would have back then.
Idealistic for me!When he actually starts singing about adult issues/problems as opposed to idealistic pop songs a 10 year old could write he can be treated as an adult.
j.p.
The difference here is probably in our different outlooks. Me, being a "sun child with flowers in my hair" and all.
I'd be falling over in my chair if I could think up a song as good as "Pray."
I am amazed. I am star-struck with this Bieber kid! (At least for now) the more I listen to him, the more I like him. That last half of "Pray" I could call transcendent. I have sampled more than a few pop songs from recent years. Almost all of them are the very definition of "bland." Not to mention the harder musically-empty stuff like The Clash. It's almost as if an entire generation and a half had forsaken melody and rhythm altogether, as if it were out of date and passe. Pray may be the best popular pop song I have heard in decades.
Simplistic? Maybe. I can see why one faction would think Baby, Baby, Baby Ooh is banal, teenage tripe. I can also see why another faction swoons over it. Put me in the latter camp. I am fascinated by the purity, rhythmic accuracy, sincerity and beauty of his voice, and the melody is beautiful too. Sometimes, simple IS beautiful. Somehow it comes across as something special to a lot of people, mostly young girls; and maybe to some other folks. Justin is edgy and cool, fashionably so; but also has a wholesome side. This may be leading toward the kind of Millie civic music the authors predicted. A song like "Pray" certainly fits. A new big band era, of a different kind perhaps, is dawning.
I don't mind the morsels of rap from other artists, since they are just that, morsels.
Of course, maybe it fits that two of my favorite songs from the sixties were called "Baby Love" and Oooh Baby." Lyrics and titles are not so important to me, compared to melody, sound, arrangement, complexity with simplicity, beauty.....
you can hear these from my list http://philosopherswheel.com/ericrock.html
One song from the current era that I liked, was not a pop hit, but a theme from a movie I love. I've posted it here before. It has points in common with "Pray."
http://youtu.be/EcqFZV8UJMs
I added it to "favorites" on my you tube channel. So far I have "liked" "Pray", as of today, but it may become a "favorite" soon. There are other recent songs I like, but they have mostly been from European rock groups, such as
Everything Everything (this one I also listed as a "favorite").
Just a taste of what else I consider good current pop music, besides (gasp gasp)... Justin Bieber????
And yes, there are a lot of great musicians who are not noticed or appreciated like Bieber is. The reason why he's so big may be because he's "the complete package." You have to have the "charimsa" as well as the full range of talents.
Bieber on Oprah
Last edited by Eric the Green; 11-10-2012 at 12:56 PM.
Parents were of the Pre-Beatles variety of music. The only thing I caught them dipping the toes into anything beyond would be with them liking Folk Rock.
~Chas'88
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."
My grandfather (1908) actually liked pop bands (anything with a strong and youthful beat) until the day he died. He also enjoyed watching 90s music videos with half dress gals.
Born in 1981 and INFJ Gen Yer
And you know what, I think it's great Eric you've found some new tunes you can really dig. I don't share in your appreciation of Bieber at all - but I know what your enthusiasm is like in finding some good music that really makes you happy and brings out the best of you through listening to it. Recently I found a "new to me" singer over the last 6 months and I have not been able to stop listening to him as much as possible. Of course, none will ever compare to the giants of music to me (Waylon, Merle, Willie, George, Sammi Smith, etc.) but when I heard Ed Bruce for the first time I thought to myself: "Oh my God! That's absolutely fantastic!" - and you know what? Ed Bruce is probably not any more complex as oppose to Bieber.Idealistic for me!
The difference here is probably in our different outlooks. Me, being a "sun child with flowers in my hair" and all.
I'd be falling over in my chair if I could think up a song as good as "Pray."
I am amazed. I am star-struck with this Bieber kid! (At least for now
It's just there is something about Bruce's music that hits me like you are hit by Bieber - the more I started listening to him the more I started really absolutely digging his mesh of music. It's like he was personally speaking to me. So, the world is certainly comprised of folks from all streams - and it can turn out to be fascinating to discover the artists we discover that really speak to us.
j.p.
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"And did you get what you wanted from this life, even so? I did. And what did you want? To call myself beloved, to feel myself beloved on the earth." -- Raymond Carver
"A page of good prose remains invincible." -- John Cheever
This is a man, not a transgendered person or a hermaphrodite. He works as a male model as well as a female model, and good for him. He's comfortable in his skin. I fail to see how he is an affront to women on any level. If women have body issues, they need to look elsewhere for a villian.
Now Justin Bieber, on the other hand, is playing his role for the money it brings ... pure and simple. I have a much larger issue with him.
Marx: Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Lennon: You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die.
I can't believe how much this thread is taking off.
Props to you, sir Eric!
Born in 1981 and INFJ Gen Yer
Eric, I'm surprised by your enthusiasm for Justin Bieber.Idealistic for me!
The difference here is probably in our different outlooks. Me, being a "sun child with flowers in my hair" and all.
I'd be falling over in my chair if I could think up a song as good as "Pray."
I am amazed. I am star-struck with this Bieber kid! (At least for now
Simplistic? Maybe. I can see why one faction would think Baby, Baby, Baby Ooh is banal, teenage tripe. I can also see why another faction swoons over it. Put me in the latter camp. I am fascinated by the purity, rhythmic accuracy, sincerity and beauty of his voice, and the melody is beautiful too. Sometimes, simple IS beautiful. Somehow it comes across as something special to a lot of people, mostly young girls; and maybe to some other folks. Justin is edgy and cool, fashionably so; but also has a wholesome side. This may be leading toward the kind of Millie civic music the authors predicted. A song like "Pray" certainly fits. A new big band era, of a different kind perhaps, is dawning.
I don't mind the morsels of rap from other artists, since they are just that, morsels.
Of course, maybe it fits that two of my favorite songs from the sixties were called "Baby Love" and Oooh Baby." Lyrics and titles are not so important to me, compared to melody, sound, arrangement, complexity with simplicity, beauty.....
you can hear these from my list http://philosopherswheel.com/ericrock.html
One song from the current era that I liked, was not a pop hit, but a theme from a movie I love. I've posted it here before. It has points in common with "Pray."
http://youtu.be/EcqFZV8UJMs
I added it to "favorites" on my you tube channel. So far I have "liked" "Pray", as of today, but it may become a "favorite" soon. There are other recent songs I like, but they have mostly been from European rock groups, such as
Everything Everything (this one I also listed as a "favorite").
Just a taste of what else I consider good current pop music, besides (gasp gasp)... Justin Bieber????
And yes, there are a lot of great musicians who are not noticed or appreciated like Bieber is. The reason why he's so big may be because he's "the complete package." You have to have the "charimsa" as well as the full range of talents.
Generation: Millennial (Gen Y)
Agreed. I've heard a lot of pretty decent music in the past few years. Recently I've been hearing this song on the radio and I really like it.
A Thousand Years by Christina Perri...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtOvBOTyX00
I don't know what genre of music it is...Pop rock, soft rock, or what?
Pretty good j.p.
A lot better than "Crazy" by Patsy Cline lol
Well, so am I!!!!!
(if you listen to Pray for a few times, it might grow on you. Do you dare???.....)
Last edited by Eric the Green; 04-18-2012 at 02:42 AM.
That's a nice one! She's popular too. Maybe pop IS making a comeback!
I like the strings in that song. But then I've always loved strings in pop songs. Eleanor Rigby is probably my favorite Beatles song and it's probably for that reason.
It is. Not afraid to admit it.
Born in 1981 and INFJ Gen Yer
This is a man, not a transgendered person or a hermaphrodite. He works as a male model as well as a female model, and good for him. He's comfortable in his skin.
Andrej Pejić is an androgynous man. Whether he is entirely biologically male (hermaphrodite is a derogatory term) or not is beside the point, the presence of androgynes within the fashion industry is common, but carries enough stigma that it is not talked about openly. It's the lack of openness about this topic which puts girls and women in danger. They are looking at ideal forms of feminine beauty that do not correspond to the way the majority of women look (less than 5% of female population with V-shaped predominately masculine bodies, rather than pear-shaped feminine bodies). If you have ever loved a woman, had a daughter or granddaughter it would actually be of some concern to you to, as unlike Bieber, this standard of beauty is not the exception, but the rule.
Some stats:
Males have body issues as well...But for females it's off the charts.53% of 13 year old girls are unhappy with their bodies
78% of 18 year old girls are unhappy with their bodies
Also working as a "female model" qualifies for the term transgendered. So whether or not Mr. Pejić is a beautiful androgynous male, this is still a valid topic to bring up, as just like Bieber, high fashion models are marketed primarily to females.
Projection much?
Guess so...
Cheers.
Last edited by summer in the fall; 04-18-2012 at 06:13 AM.
An issue Miss Amy can relate to...Exactly, I have noticed that the vast majority of people that call into our local top-40 pop station are women, while most people calling into the Alternative Rock station are men. I doubt that is only a Fargo thing.
Best...
Born to Be Somebody/Pray
Born to Be Somebody
written by Diane Warren
More about the song and the Bully film
More about Pray here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pray_(Justin_Bieber_song)
The song was written by Bieber with Omar Martinez and Adam Messinger and Nasri of The Messengers, with the latter duo producing the track.
Oh goodie: Here's a video of my current favorite song Pray live at the American Music Awards:
Best pop song since, I dunno when!
Pray by Justin Bieber - Cover by CIMORELLI!
Last edited by Eric the Green; 03-02-2014 at 05:19 AM.
Justin Bieber -- Sir Eric's avatar...
Cheers
The King of Pop is dead. Long live the King.
I wonder if the father would let the kid go wild over "No Scrubs?"
Love the clip above!
Born in 1981 and INFJ Gen Yer
LOL...I thought the best part was at the very end with the father saying, "Oh God, I'm a terrible father." Something every parent can relate to. I think every parent at one time or another has made some little off handed to comment and suddenly their child is in tears.
This clip also reminded me of a time many, many years ago when I walked into my mother's house and my 5 year old little sister and her friend were standing on the kitchen table, dancing and singing to Madonna's "Like a Virgin." My brother-in-law looked at them, shook his head and said, "They don't even know what a virgin is."
