Originally Posted by Cole94

Oh my god, this topic is still going! :O

I mean I'm glad I got my two cents in six weeks ago, but I thought this would've died a while ago lol.

I thought the same thing myself, same with Justin himself. I thought his fame was going to die out sometime last year.

Originally Posted by Dave 89

I thought the same thing myself, same with Justin himself. I thought his fame was going to die out sometime last year.

You and Cole will be surprised; it won't die out.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

You and Cole will be surprised; it won't die out.

Eh, I wouldn't be suprised if he was around 10 more years, almost like Usher. You can only be a teen hearthrob for so long though. Honestly, I hope he leans towards more mature music within the next 5 years if he's going to hang around for a bit.

Personally, I never gravitated towards younger artists (under like 25) because I've always preferred a more mature sound. With the exception of a few prolific rappers, I usually don't see social consciousness permeating the lyrics of an 18 year old.

Except for this dude imma put in a plug for: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJjy69SbTTM
Joey Bada$$- Hardknock. It sounds like this kid went into a time machine and traveled here from 1990. (Warning: very mature lyrics) Only 17 years old.

Originally Posted by Cole94

Eh, I wouldn't be suprised if he was around 10 more years, almost like Usher. You can only be a teen hearthrob for so long though. Honestly, I hope he leans towards more mature music within the next 5 years if he's going to hang around for a bit.

Don't you think he already has? Did you check out the new stuff I linked?

I understand a preference for a more mature sound. Although I think, with Pray, Justin showed he has some social consciousness in his lyrics, even at 16; even if they are simple (but profound). Like this.....

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

Don't you think he already has? Did you check out the new stuff I linked?

I understand a preference for a more mature sound. Although I think, with Pray, Justin showed he has some social consciousness in his lyrics, even at 16; even if they are simple (but profound). Like this.....

Alright Eric, I will actually listen to these songs.XD But I'm talking albums of conscious content, not the stray 2 or 3 songs. If JBs whole album was full of Prays, my mind might change. I mean, I think the song is okay, it's better than what he usually does. But would you be able to give me 15 songs (an album's worth) of his stuff for a playlist? No. But hopefully he will make 15 more songs better than "Pray" as he matures. It will be an interesting day when I actually go actively looking for Bieber's music.

Originally Posted by Cole94

Alright Eric, I will actually listen to these songs.XD But I'm talking albums of conscious content, not the stray 2 or 3 songs. If JBs whole album was full of Prays, my mind might change. I mean, I think the song is okay, it's better than what he usually does. But would you be able to give me 15 songs (an album's worth) of his stuff for a playlist? No. But hopefully he will make 15 more songs better than "Pray" as he matures. It will be an interesting day when I actually go actively looking for Bieber's music.

Good.

Well, we were talking "more mature music." It may or may not be to your taste, but at least you have to admit that "Believe" as an album is "more mature." He's not a little boy singing to girls anymore. We weren't talking socially-conscious lyrics, necessarily, of course. Most pop songs don't have that. Most of the songs on Believe are well-crafted pieces of music, imnsho.

But, better than "Pray"? Frankly, no artist can do a classic like that more than a few times in a whole career. At least not a pop artist that I know. Well, maybe The Who. No-one else.

We can laugh and giggle all we want at Eric and his virtual shrine to JB, but don't be so certain he won't stick around a long time.

I remember way back in the very early 1970s, the cool older people and music snobs who would have choked on their pot brownies were you to suggest Michael Jackson would one day become one of the most important figures in popular music and would still be remembered and talked about 40+ years hence, and whose music would go on to influence serious musicians for decades. No one took him or his music seriously back then. He was just the cute little kid who sang better than his older brothers and worshipped by 8-12 year old girls.

JB's music isn't exactly my cup of tea and I wouldn't buy one of his records, but I have to admit he does have talent and a lot of charisma. Like MJ, JB's music could grow and mature with him. The stereotype as a tween heartthrob may be hard to overcome though. MJ was able to do it though, so you never know.

Originally Posted by sbrombacher

We can laugh and giggle all we want at Eric and his virtual shrine to JB, but don't be so certain he won't stick around a long time.

I remember way back in the very early 1970s, the cool older people and music snobs who would have choked on their pot brownies were you to suggest Michael Jackson would one day become one of the most important figures in popular music and would still be remembered and talked about 40+ years hence, and whose music would go on to influence serious musicians for decades. No one took him or his music seriously back then. He was just the cute little kid who sang better than his older brothers and worshipped by 8-12 year old girls.

JB's music isn't exactly my cup of tea and I wouldn't buy one of his records, but I have to admit he does have talent and a lot of charisma. Like MJ, JB's music could grow and mature with him. The stereotype as a tween heartthrob may be hard to overcome though. MJ was able to do it though, so you never know.

Thanks, but did you check a few posts up to see my post replying to you from the other thread (where the subject of JB didn't belong, so I posted it here)? JB's music is already growing and maturing, although it may still not be your cup of tea. I never go by stereo types myself; I respond only to the music as I hear it. Please remember too that this thread didn't start out as a shrine; things developed as I continued to listen and explore his music. It's also still true that although I like a lot of his songs, there is still only one that could be compared to my top favorites from the old days.

It is too bad some people here are offended by this thread. It is meant to be fun, and if people laugh that I like him that's OK. But the bitter arguments over JB are hard to figure, especially if they concern just one person (me) liking him. I guess if it matters to them that I like him, my opinion must be pretty important to them.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

Thanks, but did you check a few posts up to see my post replying to you from the other thread (where the subject of JB didn't belong, so I posted it here)? JB's music is already growing and maturing, although it may still not be your cup of tea. I never go by stereo types myself; I respond only to the music as I hear it. Please remember too that this thread didn't start out as a shrine; things developed as I continued to listen and explore his music. It's also still true that although I like a lot of his songs, there is still only one that could be compared to my top favorites from the old days.

I did check out the links--I still fail to see that he's this great artiste you have chalked him up to be. But I have heard far worse too. It's okay you like him, you don't have to justify why.

It is too bad some people here are offended by this thread. It is meant to be fun, and if people laugh that I like him that's OK. But the bitter arguments over JB are hard to figure, especially if they concern just one person (me) liking him. I guess if it matters to them that I like him, my opinion must be pretty important to them.

I don't see where anyone is offended by this thread. Amused, bored, no reaction, maybe--but offended? I doubt it. The biggest reaction here, seems to be mild bemusement or slack jawed disbelief. Now your "Materialism" thread, on the other hand--some people there seem to be offended. I noticed you have a Boomer, 2 Xers and a Millie all seemingly out to get you over there. I should stock up on the popcorn.

Originally Posted by sbrombacher

I did check out the links--I still fail to see that he's this great artiste you have chalked him up to be. But I have heard far worse too. It's okay you like him, you don't have to justify why.

That's right. I would say he's the best of a rather mediocre lot at best, of current pop music.

I don't see where anyone is offended by this thread. Amused, bored, no reaction, maybe--but offended? I doubt it. The biggest reaction here, seems to be mild bemusement or slack jawed disbelief. Now your "Materialism" thread, on the other hand--some people there seem to be offended. I noticed you have a Boomer, 2 Xers and a Millie all seemingly out to get you over there. I should stock up on the popcorn.

Yeah, there's a few who were offended. And you're right about the materialism thread too. It's time for me to stop interacting with people who can't forgive a disagreement, and whose only interest in me is to insult me.

What is hilarious is how people keep knocking him, or dismissing him, no matter what he does, or how much more mature his music gets, just because they want to hang on to their prejudice. People can laugh at me here or knock me for liking his music, and I find that rather ironic too, given peoples' usually-poor choice of favorite music on this site. I know people have different needs, tastes and interests. But given the laughably-poor condition of pop and rock over the last few decades-- when the only popular music available is insipid, commercial pop, rap, heavy-metal, punk and stuff like that, it is too funny that people see Bieber as somehow worse than all of that and resent him, when he is in fact the very one who is doing the most to bring melody and good feelings back into pop music. People will have varying responses to his new album Believe, but anyone who listens sincerely, and is interested in music rather than the prevalent dross, drivel and noise of today, would have to admit that it is indeed "artistic;" well-crafted and engaging. Maybe the only song on the album that is not very artistic, is the most popular piece on the album. So if you judge it by that one, it is true, you may not appreciate it very much.

The JB haters really get riled over this one!

http://youtu.be/QzHd9htOZvA

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

What is hilarious is how people keep knocking him, or dismissing him, no matter what he does, or how much more mature his music gets, just because they want to hang on to their prejudice. People can laugh at me here or knock me for liking his music, and I find that rather ironic too, given peoples' usually-poor choice of favorite music on this site.

I know this wasn't pointed towards me (at least I certainly hope not) but I have far from a poor choice in music for certain. Could you give some examples here of exactly what you mean? I'm not knocking on JB - he could be a great kid for all I know - I just don't like his music.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

I know people have different needs, tastes and interests. But given the laughably-poor condition of pop and rock over the last few decades-- when the only popular music available is insipid, commercial pop, rap, heavy-metal, punk and stuff like that, it is too funny that people see Bieber as somehow worse than all of that and resent him, when he is in fact the very one who is doing the most to bring melody and good feelings back into pop music.

I don't see him as worse than the crap (of which you and I here agree - most mainstream music over the last 20 years has been pure crap) made over the last two decades. But, I include him as part of this example of poor music made over the last few decades.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

People will have varying responses to his new album Believe, but anyone who listens sincerely, and is interested in music rather than the prevalent dross, drivel and noise of today, would have to admit that it is indeed "artistic;" well-crafted and engaging. Maybe the only song on the album that is not very artistic, is the most popular piece on the album. So if you judge it by that one, it is true, you may not appreciate it very much.

The same thing can be said for U2's newest album: "No Line on the Horizon" which is, I feel, one of the best works of music they have ever done (especially this amazing track here which is probably the greatest rock song made in the last 25 years: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDP-TGE9AYs). And it is true artistry. But not everyone likes rock music like U2 - just like not everyone likes pop music like JB. Someone could be the most brilliant musician in a specific field but it doesn't mean everyone is going to love it as being great. If someone told you that a Dr. Dre album is the greatest rap album of all time - would you really give it a chance, Eric in finding it "artistic" in any way? I doubt it as you find rap (as I do) to be insipid drivel. Likewise, some people feel the same way towards pop and just won't care for it as it isn't their cup of coffee (or tea for some less enlightened people who don't love good coffee).

j.p.

Originally Posted by JDFP

I know this wasn't pointed towards me (at least I certainly hope not) but I have far from a poor choice in music for certain. Could you give some examples here of exactly what you mean? I'm not knocking on JB - he could be a great kid for all I know - I just don't like his music.

But that's what counts.

I don't know why you in particular respond to these postings of mine about JB. Not that I mind, but it's too bad this is the only response I get here. Do you have a secret desire to like his music? I don't expect anyone to like him, but it is a bit puzzling and funny why most folks here and some other groups of folks can't or refuse to like him.

I don't want to point out examples of other peoples' "poor" choice in music here. I don't mean you, or everyone here; just my general impression from the posts I see and the links given. I don't seem to think your taste is very good, given your liking for downcast country music with little musical quality, whose main appeal is verbal. But I know you like some other things too, so I wouldn't put you in a box and say your taste is bad because you like so and so; like I've seen a few people do here to me because I like Justin Bieber.

I don't see him as worse than the crap (of which you and I here agree - most mainstream music over the last 20 years has been pure crap) made over the last two decades. But, I include him as part of this example of poor music made over the last few decades.

Which you would have to do if you include ALL pop, as you apparently do. Some people do see him as worse; Felix5 is a strange case in many ways.

But as you know, I don't want to exaggerate my liking for JB either. He does quality work, which people can't see because he's young. Baby is the only song he is usually identified with; the only one whose dislikes outnumber the vast number of likes it gets on youtube. It may be a rather simple tune, not sophisticated in the least; but it's catchy, it makes a lot of people happy, and JB's performance on it is flawless. But compared to the best artists from before the 3T began; there are probably thousands better. It's just that he stands out today in a bad field-- and even so is knocked even though he makes it better. I think it's because over the last 30 years, a lot of people have forgotten what good music sounds like. Rap and heavy metal is generally not good music, but that's all many people hear today. No other artist today that I know of has made 20 songs that I think are musically engaging and that I enjoy listening to, not to mention the best song in 30 years..... that I know so far.... (although some music by artists who first appeared long ago, like U2, might have).....

The same thing can be said for U2's newest album: "No Line on the Horizon" which is, I feel, one of the best works of music they have ever done (especially this amazing track here which is probably the greatest rock song made in the last 25 years: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDP-TGE9AYs). And it is true artistry. But not everyone likes rock music like U2 - just like not everyone likes pop music like JB. Someone could be the most brilliant musician in a specific field but it doesn't mean everyone is going to love it as being great. If someone told you that a Dr. Dre album is the greatest rap album of all time - would you really give it a chance, Eric in finding it "artistic" in any way? I doubt it as you find rap (as I do) to be insipid drivel. Likewise, some people feel the same way towards pop and just won't care for it as it isn't their cup of coffee (or tea for some less enlightened people who don't love good coffee).
j.p.

I guess a lot of people feel that way. True, if it's rap, I probably don't like it, unless it has other virtues from other genres added to it (I've heard some music called "hip hop" that has good musical qualities, although usually it does not). I think pop is a wider category though. It used to include U2 and all rock, and really still does; whatever is played on Top 40 radio; whatever is popular. Country included. I think some new artists, led by JB, but including Jepsen and Owl City, are bringing some quality back into it. But that would be hard to see if you dismiss everything in mainstream music. Pop is a very nebulous category; rap is very specific and limited, and by itself is not even music; just spoken word with only one musical element; rhythm. And it is specifically meant to be aggressive and annoying. Rock is a broad category too, as a subset of pop. I disagree that you can rightfully dismiss an entire category of music; jewels can stand out in any category, and I have found good music in every category, except rap, since it is not music. But for what it is, I know there are better and worse rap artists too. Just as there is good and bad poetry.

I already said I like U2, having had some acquaintance with their 1980s music; but am not aware of their latest work. I'll check your link and see how I like it. But I don't know if you tried the links above for Bieber's newest album. To be fair, you should. I can't expect you to like it though.

Interesting that I see U2 has a song called All I Want is You; same title as my 2nd-favorite JB song ha ha! A friend of mine invited me to a U2/other singalong tomorrow. I may not be able to go, because I am practicing "Good Time" to sing and play at church this Sunday!

Moment of Surrender seems to get better toward the end. Pretty good is all I can say for now. It seems dramatic, interesting and well-done. For me, it usually takes more then one listen to get an opinion I am confident of. But I guess you think "oh oh oh oh" is OK in a song. lol

One thing I notice about the new pop like JB, Carly Rae, Owl City, etc. is that they actually sing the songs in a stylish and engaging way; unlike some new bands like One Direction, and unlike most rock from the 3T era, where the singer shouts the song instead. Bono is OK and does good songs, but he leans more toward shouting the song too. I like it when they can sing it.

This thread is about JB, but also related artists.

Matt Hunter is the Latin JB. Nice song!

(suggested in the comments as the singer of the mysterious Uh Oh song, as was Cody Simpson)

I don't particularly care for Justin Bieber, but I know I'm not that music's targeted demographic (pre-teen girls). I just don't listen to it because it is not my cup of tea. I have a very diverse range of musical preferences from 70's singer/songwriters to 90's classic hip hop. Lately, I've been really getting into old jazz singers like Ella Fitzgerald and Billie Holiday. I've also recently discovered classic blues (Howlin' Wolf, Muddy Waters, etc.).

Nope. Never been into the teenage girl cash cow singers.

Not saying anything in particular, but
I think we WILL be seeing a lot more of this guy.

Jackson Guthy on Ellen: http://youtu.be/robZRJk9g7Q
Make Up Your Mind http://youtu.be/Z2Z4Xigkw1M;.. with lyrics;... live in LA with Big Time Rush tour
Good Time cover http://youtu.be/GCbZ9MWIEJE
Somebody that I Used to Know cover http://youtu.be/dkE3PuYE3dU

How smart, cool and together can a young Millie get?


These covers of 1D's What Makes You Beautiful are better than the original:
http://youtu.be/ouXFxdHBoAo
http://youtu.be/YEqELRCJNIw


And this guy:
http://youtu.be/SfwlkNt-1C4
Did Justin copy a couple of his lyrics?


Ellen also had Greyson Chance on her show
http://youtu.be/NHXo7aCnjM4
http://youtu.be/bxDlC7YV5is
smart and talented!


Say Somethin - Austin Mahone (born April 4, 1996)
http://youtu.be/AunTtfqPcLs
(I like it)
his popular cover of JB's Mistletoe: http://youtu.be/ne4ba7yYWNY
(his all time favorite song is One Less Lonely Girl; a true belieber, he has covered many JB songs including Pray)


who, o who, will the next Justin Bieber be?
Maybe many of them!

Ernie Halter (b.1974), Come Home to Me http://youtu.be/LjuU3VKb_qI
Nothing like a Bieber boost!
Justin Bieber joins Ernie on stage to sing it and covers it

Here in one post are the best budding biebers so far, who have released original songs on you tube; original meaning they are at least not covers of hits by other artists.

Check em out, folks; this could be the future of music! I assert that all of these are good songs, and very catchy. Well constructed melody and rhythm, good vocals. All of these artists have been compared to Bieber and/or have also done Bieber covers.

Jackson Guthy (Make Up Your Mind) age 16 (wrote the song)
Cody Simpson (iYiYi) age 15 (co-wrote the song)
Matt Hunter (Mi Amor) age 13 (don't know who wrote it)
Austin Mahone (Say Somethin) age 16 (don't know who wrote it)

Here again is the post with samples of budding biebers singing covers of JB songs http://youtu.be/Rn_pj3DBYv8

Edit: Just sayin; ya know, these wannabiebers may be good, but so far there is no song like Pray, none that I can listen to repeatedly and not get tired of. There's only two 21st century songs like that mentioned on this thread or the "pop cleaning up" thread (the other is Good Time). People here may say Pray is "OK" or "better than he usually does," but others have said they didn't like JB, but they love this song. It comes from the heart, to the heart. Two months now (make that three), and its appeal to me has not worn off. Noone today has done 20 other songs that I like either. He's growing up, and he's not going away. And those who think he's a little girlie boy, well, I wouldn't mess with him if I were you.

People say Bieber is not my cup of tea; pop is not my kind of music, etc. It isn't mine either, usually. But the point is, I checked him out, and not knowing his music or anything about him, I had no reason to like or dislike him, I wasn't expecting to like him, I was open-minded, and I liked what I heard.

Meanwhile, here in the Bay Area, Bieber and these other folks remain you tube sensations. My friend says he heard some JB songs on the radio, but I can't find him on 3 "hit radio station" playlists so far. JB's the shadowy celebrity someone referred to in a previous post. The #1 album in the country last week, and they don't play it; strange. Can't find Good Time either, although a friend says she heard it. Call Me Maybe, Gotye; sure, those are at the top.

Here's one for The Rani! All Around the World, Zombies want to eat us!
http://youtu.be/F5w5n--YN2k

"I really like Justin Bieber's new single Die in Your Arms"

Doesn't look like a 13-year old girl to me, ha ha!
http://youtu.be/UIxMLGJHtAE
http://youtu.be/ZFhfOKrNu1s


The most popular cover band does Boyfriend;
I like it better
http://youtu.be/evAIdc-mLLg

From The Independent

With 'Believe', Justin Bieber has a lot to prove. That he's no flash in the pan, no passing teen fad. That he has musical chops, can actually write. That he can make grown-up music for grown-ups. I've only heard half of it, and that was at an album playback event in London bedevilled by terrible sound. But it sounds as though he has made a decent fist of it.

But for probably the most adored pop star in the world, it's the naysayers who rankle. He's tweeted more than once about wanting to prove the haterz and the doubterz wrong. "I wanted to make music that I felt like everybody could listen to, and wasn't only geared to younger people," he says. "I wanted to make music that was just good, and people couldn't help but, like, bob their head to it, or stomp their feet to it. It's just music that people can feel."

What do the haterz hate?

"I think they hate the idea of me. They hate the fact that I am successful at a young age and that I am doing what a lot of people wish they could be doing. There's people that just hate for those reasons. And they might not even have heard any of my music."

And what do the doubterz doubt?

"The doubters..." he muses. "I think they just doubt that there's any sort of talent that comes with me. Because they feel like I was a product and put together and then [presented], like, 'Here you go'. But it's not – I've been making music ever since I can remember. This isn't just a marketing scheme. I'm the real deal and I hope to just show that in what I do."

What do people get wrong about him?

"What do you mean?"

What misconceptions do they have?

"Um, people..." Justin Bieber sighs. "I don't know... Everything that I do, I always am me and I always let people know what I'm gonna do, what I wanna do. And I'm not gonna conform to anything. I just want to be different and be known as someone who's, like, a nice guy. But I won't take anybody's, like, shit."

So what does Justin Bieber's future hold? Does he even have a future beyond his teen years? Judging by the fact that the first, North American, leg of the Believe world tour sold out in 60 minutes, he might. Will.i.am has been pondering this, too. "He's 18 now – so in 10 years he's 28. You know, what could happen in 10 years? In 10 years he could be forgotten. Or in 10 years Justin could be, like, legendary."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/pe...e-7869865.html

Eventually it might come to pass that everyone who sings and plays a guitar will want to do this one
http://youtu.be/FsNZdlV64jU

"Wow I always believed Justin Bieber was just an untalented pop star. Man, I am so wrong. This song just proved me wrong. He is very talented and I really like this song "
--xxjaycexx100

nice live performance

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

Eventually it might come to pass that everyone who sings and plays a guitar will want to do this one
http://youtu.be/FsNZdlV64jU

"Wow I always believed Justin Bieber was just an untalented pop star. Man, I am so wrong. This song just proved me wrong. He is very talented and I really like this song "
--xxjaycexx100

nice live performance

(bottom link) I have to say, out of the other things I've heard from Bieber, that one isn't bad (ignoring the chipmunks squealing in the audience XD). But I figured out I can't stand anyone with the voice of a kid doing anything vocal, whether it's singing or rapping (Diggy Simmons, Run DMC's kid, his voice grates my nerves). I'm interested to find out what Bieber's fully matured voice will sound like, but I don't think he'll be a pop artist that I pay anymore attention to than anyone else.

And completely random, but I just started really listening to Frank Zappa. I can't believe I never listened to him before (since he was also a local guy), dude's a musical genius. Underground rock. Rock, jazz, funk, touches of R&B/soul, and classical all slammed together into one man's discography.