Originally Posted by sbrombacher

When it comes to classical, Bach's Brandenberg Concertos or anything by Mozart does it for me every time.

I like those selections as well.

Originally Posted by Wayneh56

I agree with you completely. There is no reason to try to force feed any music on anyone.

Eric asked what I listened to. I told him what I played yesterday and today by means of information. He is free to ignore them all. Besides, my playlist changes every day.

Not everyone will like everything in the way of music. Every genre is not for everyone, nor is every band or singer. Every era had and has great, mediocre, and terrible music. Nothing has ever changed in that regard.

My CD of Beethoven's Ninth Symphony awaits a listen as I work now.

And your opinion remains incomprehensible to me!

(although I like some of your "playlist")

The brisk, countrapuntal richness of JB's Pray actually reminds me of Mozart.

I think it is very true that people listen but do not hear what is being played. I know this from my own experience, because as I listen to music I frequently hear more in a piece than I did earlier.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

And your opinion remains incomprehensible to me!

.

Then let's leave it at that as you consider my opinion "incomprehensible".

Originally Posted by Wayneh56

Then let's leave it at that as you consider my opinion "incomprehensible".

Sure. We can leave it any place you like. I am not forcing my opinion on anyone.

That does not mean I may not consider others' opinions wrong, or that opinions are more than personal. But my arguments will not change anyone's mind. All I can do, if I want to, is to share my experience and opinion.

In fact, you mention Beethoven's 9th. It is generally considered great by critics, and has been since it was written. It is #1 on my own classical favorites list, and was voted #1 in a poll by my local classical radio station year after year. Perhaps there is something to the idea that it is in fact a great work. This may apply to other works of art as well.

And I am not likely anytime soon to like The Clash. Never say never, but......

It is fun for me to post the rather-hilarious or unexpected fact that I like Justin Bieber, even though I am about the last person you would expect to like him. But I do! ha ha! And I have grown to like him more and more since I started this thread. So that's worth sharing too, and the music by him that I like; as well as the unexpectedness of my opinion. How about them apples!

edit: I don't think, Wayne, that you logged onto this thread to express "disinterest," as you claim. If that was the case, you would not have written anything here. You came on to express "dislike."

NTTAWWT

So inspiring...

http://youtu.be/ApK83XWd_NU

(quotes)

I have to say I´m TRUE "Boy- Belieber"!! I have listened Justin´s music for a LONG time-----> And i don´t care what others says about it... I have been beaten up, i Just got 3 stitches and lot´s of bruises.. This all because of I listen Justin Bieber and coz i like his music and i´m not afraid to admit it..
"Once Belieber, Always Belieber" <3
TwistedOve8 13 hours ago 33

Justin, you need new haters. Your old ones are starting to like you!<3
BiebsForever95 1 day ago 186

soo true, i was a hater, but now i like him sooooooo much! <3<3<3
GuntherGoth in reply to BiebsForever95 1 day ago 31

I don't even know what to say. Like he's such an inspiration to me it's ridiculous. I don't even know what I would do if anything happened to him. He helps me get through this fucked up world & people who say they hate are honestly retarded. I know you don't have to like him, because everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but please just respect him. Please.<3
BrookandZay1 4 hours ago

I still feel the need to clarify the situation for you guys some more, so here goes.

Here is a guy, me, who is for the most part a "hater" of current pop and rock music, with some exceptions (Green Day, Everything Everything, etc.), who is not a teenage girl, who starts a thread saying he likes Justin Bieber, and asks whether you do too. Ha Ha! "The last person you would expect." So what does that mean, except that maybe, if someone like me likes him, that there's something good or special about this guy's music (and personality too) that the haters and critics aren't noticing? I'm just saying so; not trying to get you to say yes if you honestly can't.

And, the guy has created or co-created over 25 songs that I like; 3 of them well enough to compare with my 400 favorites from the good old days. That's more by far than anyone else who started recording during the 3T (1985 onward). I know tastes differ, and a lot of you like the 80s/90s heavy metal hard rock stuff that I for the most part can't stand; not to mention rap, and the other monstrosities that have passed for pop music since the 3T began (perhaps because it has been an era of heavy over-commercialization and mega-corporatization of everything, thanks to the pro-business, greed-is-good orientation of politics).

But my challenge to you guys remains: tell me anyone else besides Justin Bieber who has created or even just performed 25 pop or rock songs that I would like, at least one of which is in my opinion just as good as almost any song ever created, and who has started his/her career since the 3T began. My taste may be different from yours. I don't like noise, and pure rap whatever its other virtues is not music IMO. But I didn't have the slightest axe to grind in liking or defending Justin Bieber. He meant less than nothing to me until I started on a day in mid-April 2012 listening to his songs on you tube (see the OP). I was open enough to like what I heard, in spite of my inclinations against doing so. There's no reason to suppose that I would not be open to any other pop or rock artist out there, who might make music that satisfies my tastes and interests to the extent that he does, and who started in 1985 or later. My suspicion is that, in fact, there is no other such artist.

But if it were so, I'd be delighted. I am already super-delighted to have discovered Owl City and Carly Rae Jepsen. And the song by both of them that I love almost as much as Pray by JB (and learned to perform myself) was suggested by another poster on this site. Maybe they have only done 4 or 5 songs I definitely like; but even that is more than any others I know so far. Never say never!

Ah, thread not dead yet! when there's something juicy about JB, I post it!

This mini-drama, set to be number 1 on you tube next week, with over 6 million views and 200,000 likes in 2 days (10 million and 250,000 in 3 and a half days), actually relates to the way some of you guys and other haters treat him, as well as being a typical story of forbidden young love. He can't be good, he's too young, and he will break our hearts, because he won't last; how many times did people here say that? And JB: "you don't know us." Old man: "I don't want to know you." Just like you guys don't want to know him. So Felix and JDFP, et al., this one's directed at you. Enjoy!




"I dont like Justin but got to admit this song is good. I just wont admit it in publix"
snownight7

Me thinks, a common situation....

From the fabulous makers of privproxy, I have at last, at last found escape from the subject of this thread!

Documentation on changing undesired words to ones you get humor from.

FILTER: fun Fun text replacements
# Spice the daily news: #
s/microsoft(?!\.com)/MicroSuck/ig
# Change Justin Bieber in every web page I see to Ratt
s/Justin(*.Bieber) /Ratt/ig

Like I said, I've found Nirvana.

Edit: Just tried it. It's funny.

"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Ratt

This quote from a post above seems more relevant now, doesn't it?

I have to say I´m TRUE "Boy- Belieber"!! I have listened Justin´s music for a LONG time-----> And i don´t care what others says about it... I have been beaten up, i Just got 3 stitches and lot´s of bruises.. This all because of I listen Justin Bieber and coz i like his music and i´m not afraid to admit it..
"Once Belieber, Always Belieber" <3
TwistedOve8

JB IS nirvana!

This virtual temple to JB needs to be continuously supplied with the liturgical repertoire.
http://youtu.be/FsNZdlV64jU

Something I find funny, is how the haters and skeptics knock his voice, saying he should sing like an adult, and then I hear the singers they like, and they can't sing at all! lol lol!

I am long since used to the fact that popular/rock singers aren't going to be perfect. It's nice when they are at least good though! Like JB. And unlike Kurt Cobain.

This is even funnier.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

This quote from a post above seems more relevant now, doesn't it?

I have to say I´m TRUE "Boy- Belieber"!! I have listened Justin´s music for a LONG time-----> And i don´t care what others says about it... I have been beaten up, i Just got 3 stitches and lot´s of bruises.. This all because of I listen Ratt and coz i like his music and i´m not afraid to admit it..
"Once Belieber, Always Belieber" <3
TwistedOve8

JB IS nirvana!

Edit.
I've refined my filter. It's even better.

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by Ragnarök_62

Next up. Il'' just annihilate you know who from my web experience completely.

Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62

Next up. (I'll) just annihilate you know who from my web experience completely.

You Ratt!!

JB can't be annihilated. He is an indestructible particle. Atom smashers can't touch him. Someday even you will beliebe! Never say never! Believe!

I admit, trying to understand the detractor is not always easy. Someone like Cole, or another person who commented on the Pray video I dialogued with, admit that they just don't like 16 year olds singing. That was pretty much true of JFDP too. But someone like wayne56 is as utterly incomprehensible as parallel universes and 11 dimensions. Not that I should convince him to like JB. I certainly don't expect any further comment here from him. It's just a fascinating and strange mystery. He admits he likes some pop, and says he will NEVER like JB, no matter what he does or how old he gets. So the youth and pop angles don't work. Just saying "tastes differ" or "it's just subjective" explains nothing. And he won't even admit that he has just decided not to like him; just that he never will. Go figure. I guess in the case of music, people use the idea that it's just subjective, as an excuse to make any statement no matter how nonsensical. But in your case, I guess it's mostly that (among current music) you like rock, and only rock, and probably only by people who have come of age. Or else, you too just think it's OK to rattle off nonsense, since it's only music, and gee whiz, it's only you know who. So who cares! He certainly doesn't need your approval. 10 million views and 250,000 likes in less than 4 days for his new video? Bieber fever is still abroad in the land, and if anything, it's growing.

Try to ignore it if you can, Rags; even from web experience, where the fever is strongest! In fact, you can't even ignore the haters of JB; he is "the most hated man on all the internet" according to one you tube poster! You can hate him, but sorry, you can't destroy him!

PS I'm glad he has a bodyguard!

PS That was JB before Pray.

Comment on "Believe" video:
"On Justin's old music he had so many comments about how he was gay and stupid and that he sucked at singing... and now reading through all these comments, it makes me so happy to see everyone supporting him :')"
erinreed143

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

But someone like wayne56 is as utterly incomprehensible as parallel universes and 11 dimensions. Not that I should convince him to like JB. I certainly don't expect any further comment here from him. It's just a fascinating and strange mystery. He admits he likes some pop, and says he will NEVER like JB, no matter what he does or how old he gets. So the youth and pop angles don't work. Just saying "tastes differ" or "it's just subjective" explains nothing. And he won't even admit that he has just decided not to like him; just that he never will. Go figure. I guess in the case of music, people use the idea that it's just subjective, as an excuse to make any statement no matter how nonsensical.
erinreed143

I am honoured to be incomprehensible to you. Considering your attempted force feeding of JB onto everyone, I am not shocked that you see agendas where there are none.

As I told you, i listened to JB. Entire albums. And your selections. I also posted that I placed myself in the shoes of the Millennial, and wanted to like the music. I wanted to experience what the Millies did so I could better understand them. I am a huge supporter of Millies and Xers. I love Xer music. I wanted to have the same opportunity with Millie music, and I have found much that I enjoy. JB, however, wasn't one of them. Thanks for entirely distorting my position. If JB continues with the same type of music, I can see no reason why I would suddenly like his weak musical offerings. You pointed out that he may become a "rocker". If so, I suspect it would be incredibly weak sauce as well.

Your alleged universal projection from your own perspective (wow, talk about a stereotypical Boomer with a Capital B) is not universal. I'm sorry if I am incomprehensible to you. If I prefer Xer music to JB, and self aggrandizing Boomer ideas like yours are the reason that I prefer the company of Gen Xers.

I am starting to think that a) you like JB because he reminds you of the Awakening bubblegum or b) you think it's somehow "cool" to be "hip with what these kids these days are listening to". The continued near obsession with JB, and the near demonization of those of us who dare to have different musical tastes, is classic Boomer. I do comprehend that much.

Incidently, the more you force feed JB on others, the more they will dig in their heels and dislike his weak sauce music on principle, rather than its lack of musical merit.

I had not intended to post on this topic again, since JB doesn't interest me all that much. Since you asked, however, feel free to flame away. You are a Boomer after all. It's in your nature. This Boomer will now listen to some Pearl Jam. I know you would hate it. I will also listen to The Clash. You have already pointed out your aversion to them.

Just say No to JB.

Originally Posted by Wayneh56

I am honoured to be incomprehensible to you. Considering your attempted force feeding of JB onto everyone, I am not shocked that you see agendas where there are none.

I wasn't expecting you to reply. Intelligent as you are, I don't think you're going to "get" JB from the posts you have made.

As I told you, i listened to JB. Entire albums. And your selections. I also posted that I placed myself in the shoes of the Millennial, and wanted to like the music. I wanted to experience what the Millies did so I could better understand them. I am a huge supporter of Millies and Xers. I love Xer music. I wanted to have the same opportunity with Millie music, and I have found much that I enjoy. JB, however, wasn't one of them. Thanks for entirely distorting my position. If JB continues with the same type of music, I can see no reason why I would suddenly like his weak musical offerings. You pointed out that he may become a "rocker". If so, I suspect it would be incredibly weak sauce as well.

I see no indication that I was inaccurate. Your attitude is that you will never like him no matter what he does, or how old he gets, and that it is not a decision. Sorry, makes no sense to me!

Your alleged universal projection from your own perspective (wow, talk about a stereotypical Boomer with a Capital B) is not universal. I'm sorry if I am incomprehensible to you. If I prefer Xer music to JB, and self aggrandizing Boomer ideas like yours are the reason that I prefer the company of Gen Xers.

I said music is partly universal, partly not. There is no basis for any other position, no matter what gen I am.

I am starting to think that a) you like JB because he reminds you of the Awakening bubblegum or b) you think it's somehow "cool" to be "hip with what these kids these days are listening to". The continued near obsession with JB, and the near demonization of those of us who dare to have different musical tastes, is classic Boomer. I do comprehend that much.

OK, you can try to comprehend me! That's fun. Let's see how you did.

a) No, I hate Awakening bubblegum music. I hated it with a passion.
If you want to critique my taste in oldies, however, it has always been visible to all.
http://philosopherswheel.com/ericrock.html
b) I don't think so. I just was curious, and I liked what I heard, and more and more so as I listened. So far his music just keeps growing on me, and he keeps making more good music. That's all there is to it.

Incidently, the more you force feed JB on others, the more they will dig in their heels and dislike his weak sauce music on principle, rather than its lack of musical merit.

I will try to not sound like I'm forcing, but I do want to post my opinion, including my opinion that people may be wrong about him, and to share the music and info that I like to share. And this thread has always welcomed whatever opinions people have about JB. I prefer to keep it lighthearted and humorous as much as possible. It is music after all. At least *I* think it's music!

I had not intended to post on this topic again, since JB doesn't interest me all that much. Since you asked, however, feel free to flame away. You are a Boomer after all. It's in your nature. This Boomer will now listen to some Pearl Jam. I know you would hate it. I will also listen to The Clash. You have already pointed out your aversion to them.

Well, I'm not real sure about Pearl Jam, maybe I should listen. The Clash, no, forget it; nothing there. "aversion" seems the only sensible response to The Clash. Flame flame flame! Burn burn burn it!!!

Just say No to JB.

"Just say no" illustrates what I am saying about your attitude towards him. But of course, it's your right. I just find it incomprehensible. So that's where we leave it again, unless you have more comments on this post. Best wishes to you.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

I wasn't expecting you to reply. Intelligent as you are, I don't think you're going to "get" JB from the posts you have made.

I see no indication that I was inaccurate. Your attitude is that you will never like him no matter what he does, or how old he gets, and that it is not a decision. Sorry, makes no sense to me!

I said music is partly universal, partly not. There is no basis for any other position, no matter what gen I am.

OK, you can try to comprehend me! That's fun. Let's see how you did.

a) No, I hate Awakening bubblegum music. I hated it with a passion.
b) I don't think so. I just was curious, and I liked what I heard, and more and more so as I listened. So far his music just keeps growing on me, and he keeps making more good music. That's all there is to it.

I will try to not sound like I'm forcing, but I do want to post my opinion, including my opinion that people may be wrong about him, and to share the music and info that I like to share. And this thread has always welcomed whatever opinions people have about JB. I prefer to keep it lighthearted and humorous as much as possible. It is music after all. At least *I* think it's music!

Well, I'm not real sure about Pearl Jam, maybe I should listen. The Clash, no, forget it; nothing there. "aversion" seems the only sensible response to The Clash. Flame flame flame! Burn burn burn it!!!

"Just say no" illustrates what I am saying about your attitude towards him. But of course, it's your right. I just find it incomprehensible. So that's where we leave it again, unless you have more comments on this post. Best wishes to you.

Well, you asked for my opinion. You got it.

The more I heard JB, the less I liked it. Only the aversion to it grew on me. We moved in precisely the opposite direction on that result. There is nothing wrong with that outcome.

"Just say No to JB" was an attempt at an ending joke. I guess it was too subtle and multi-layered; and it blew right past you.

I think I will listen to Nirvana now, since you have an aversion to the late Kurt Cobain. I happen to like their music, and did so from the very first moment I heard it.

Originally Posted by Wayneh56

Well, you asked for my opinion. You got it.

The more I heard JB, the less I liked it. Only the aversion to it grew on me. We moved in precisely the opposite direction on that result. There is nothing wrong with that outcome.

Nothing wrong, except that you are wrong! But, your priviledge entirely!

"Just say No to JB" was an attempt at an ending joke. I guess it was too subtle and multi-layered; and it blew right past you.

Well I guess it wasn't funny to me. But I don't think JB is a drug, and he doesn't use drugs either, so it's irrelevant anyway. Now that is a bit of subtle, not-very-good humor on my part!

I think I will listen to Nirvana now, since you have an aversion to the late Kurt Cobain. I happen to like their music, and did so from the very first moment I heard it.

Nirvana, The Clash; you can have it....

Oh gee, I just decided-- I hate Bieber with a passion too now! You'd better listen, now!

(more lousy humor....)

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

Nothing wrong, except that you are wrong! But, your priviledge entirely!

Well I guess it wasn't funny to me. But I don't think JB is a drug, and he doesn't use drugs either, so it's irrelevant anyway. Now that is a bit of subtle, not-very-good humor on my part!

Nirvana, The Clash; you can have it....

Oh gee, I just decided-- I hate Bieber with a passion too now! You'd better listen, now!

(more lousy humor....)

Declaring me "wrong", as if musical taste were factual and quantifiable, is your Boomerism showing through again. It might help your cause, and your self-appointed as a new convert crusade for JB, to be less judgement based in your proclamations. People don't react well to decrees and declarations that they are "wrong". Fortunately, I am a late wave Boomer and understand the language of absolutes.

Along with some retooling of your musical tastes, you could use some coaching on the humour thing. The obvious sarcasm style you employed is not in keeping with your character. Not everyone can pull off sarcasm humour effectively. Your personality is not suited to sarcasm humour. That is not a criticism, but a good thing.

Eric, the "idealistic" JB songs like "Pray" are akin to how Miss America contestants wax poetic about world peace, they are shallow and childishly naive. Of course a lot of Boomers during the 2T were childishly naive and thought they could make the world a better place by wishing and bloviating from a soapbox, which is why you likely feel attracted to such musical dreck.

Originally Posted by Wayneh56

Declaring me "wrong", as if musical taste were factual and quantifiable, is your Boomerism showing through again. It might help your cause, and your self-appointed as a new convert crusade for JB, to be less judgement based in your proclamations. People don't react well to decrees and declarations that they are "wrong". Fortunately, I am a late wave Boomer and understand the language of absolutes.

Along with some retooling of your musical tastes, you could use some coaching on the humour thing. The obvious sarcasm style you employed is not in keeping with your character. Not everyone can pull off sarcasm humour effectively. Your personality is not suited to sarcasm humour. That is not a criticism, but a good thing.

Eric reminds me of Jesse Jackson at his most annoying, which is not suprising since they are both Introverted Intuitive types.

Originally Posted by Odin

Eric reminds me of Jesse Jackson at his most annoying, which is not suprising since they are both Introverted Intuitive types.

I am not especially well versed in the MBTI personalities but I see your point about Eric and Jesse Jackson. Since I see Eric as a naive idealist, which is not a bad thing, the sarcasm form of humour doesn't suit him at all.

There is little doubt, based on Eric's posts that he bases his strong opinions on feelings. The challenge for him is that not everyone bases their worldview on feelings. I understand that the MBTI system points in that direction, that feelings and intuition are not the only way to understand the world. They are a valid way to interpret the world, but they are not the only highway to understanding.

I always found Eric's lack of sarcasm/earnestness rather refreshing. Sarcasm just doesn't suit some people, and that's a good thing. There is too much snark on these boards, coming from both Boomers and Xers (Millies seem the most earnest in general). Eric is very earnest and as judgmental as he may be at times, at least you know he really means what he says.

Originally Posted by Wayneh56

I am honoured to be incomprehensible to you. Considering your attempted force feeding of JB onto everyone, I am not shocked that you see agendas where there are none.

Heh. Actually, I'd rephrase the above as getting spammed by Eric wrt. Ratt. Yeah, I thought I'd never see the day that this entire thread has now been updated to extoll the virtues of Ratt. But, I wish,wished, and finally it has happened! Now, I'm not saying this was a free lunch on my part in any way. Like all good things in life, one must exert some effort. So, here are the steps to making this thead a nice one to visit.
1. Suggested only. Download and start using the Firefox web browser. It's much better than

Originally Posted by Google

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Download Windows Internet Explorer 9 and Internet Explorer 8. Watch videos, get help, and learn about the free web browser from Microsuck.

Yeah, I know. I decided to rename a certain software company to better reflect what it really is. No, actually, I just kept the example rewrite rule. Apparently a lot of people have issues with said software company.
2. This is the best part right here. Now I understand why Eric can get so excited over something located on the web. If you want spam of all sorts to be a past problem wrt web surfiing, then
Download this software call privproxy.
3. A sort explanation may be in order. A "proxy" server is just that, sort of like the VC was to N. 'Nam. By proxy, we're dsicussing the concept of "standing in for" and/or "intermediary". In the case of privproxy, it's just an intermediary between Firefox and the internet. I type in a site, say www.fourthturning.com/forums. Privproxy then forwards some bits and bytes over to fourthturning.com and asks for a web page. I can change to bits and bytes going to www.fourthturning.com/forums , like do not send any spam(defined as what I think is spam), if there's a phrase I'd like to change like right on this thrad, go change that to something that isn't irritating or just nuke it. I can also lie about assorted things as well to web sites. Like right now, every website out there thinks I'm running Linux! Finally, for some really nosy cookie monsters, I can feed them wafers instead. The wafers can send any rewrite I want. My email for cookie monsters is Jack_MeOff@69@/+street.jar.
Obvkously, that is a strange email address to confuse whatever email software some spam company might be collecting. Is this a valid email? Well no. It has special characters in it, it has 2 "@"'s, and a weird extension ".jar". The .jar is telling something that wants to know that, no this is not an email address, it's a Java file. That's why I have the "/" as well.
4. Here's a very good site as a way to introduce folks to the concept of web server proxies
5. It is only because I'm running a proxy that I can even visit Eric on his thread now.

As I told you, i listened to JB. Entire albums. And your selections. I also posted that I placed myself in the shoes of the Millennial, and wanted to like the music. I wanted to experience what the Millies did so I could better understand them. I am a huge supporter of Millies and Xers. I love Xer music. I wanted to have the same opportunity with Millie music, and I have found much that I enjoy.

Remember the late '60's/'70's? Even I do. Just close your eyes and pretend Eric is on a soapbox with a bullhorn. Just substitute 'Nam for Ratt and hopefully you'll understand Eric more.

JB, however, wasn't one of them. Thanks for entirely distorting my position. If JB continues with the same type of music, I can see no reason why I would suddenly like his weak musical offerings. You pointed out that he may become a "rocker". If so, I suspect it would be incredibly weak sauce as well.

Your alleged universal projection from your own perspective (wow, talk about a stereotypical Boomer with a Capital B) is not universal. I'm sorry if I am incomprehensible to you. If I prefer Xer music to JB, and self aggrandizing Boomer ideas like yours are the reason that I prefer the company of Gen Xers.

ROTFLMAO!

I am starting to think that a) you like JB because he reminds you of the Awakening bubblegum or b) you think it's somehow "cool" to be "hip with what these kids these days are listening to". The continued near obsession with JB, and the near demonization of those of us who dare to have different musical tastes, is classic Boomer. I do comprehend that much.

Yes, I guess I can go adjust my proxy settings to "Do You like bubblegum, Awakening or otherwise?"

Incidently, the more you force feed JB on others, the more they will dig in their heels and dislike his weak sauce music on principle, rather than its lack of musical merit.

Or annihilate it from my web experience entirely via proxy.

I had not intended to post on this topic again, since JB doesn't interest me all that much. Since you asked, however, feel free to flame away. You are a Boomer after all. It's in your nature. This Boomer will now listen to some Pearl Jam. I know you would hate it. I will also listen to The Clash. You have already pointed out your aversion to them.

Or perhaps Ratt. You may or may not like it, but to each to his/her own.

Just say No to JB.

Done.

Originally Posted by Google

Ratt discography - Believe - Boyfriend - Scooter BraunRatt | Facebook

www.facebook.com/JustinBieber - Cached - Similar
Facebook is a social utility that connects people with friends and others who work , study and live around them. People use Facebook to keep up with friends, ...

Yeah, I may have to do a few tweaks. There is that blasted entry above that has no spaces. That is a bad thing. In light of recent stock market action, I'm also thinking about changing "Facebook" to "Facefuck".

Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62

Like I said, I've found Nirvana.

Ahh it's actually too bad they are remembered mostly for that song/video.

Of course Kurt wanted to accomplish nothing more in his life than be in the Pixies. One could say that without Pixies there could be no Nirvana.

Of course with Pixies you sometimes get to hear the sultry voice of Kim Deal



Little Bieber only wishes he had Black Francis' singing voice.



*Yes that is a very young Dennis Miller.*

Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62

Heh. Actually, I'd rephrase the above as getting spammed by Eric wrt. Ratt. Yeah, I thought I'd never see the day that this entire thread has now been updated to extoll the virtues of Ratt. But, I wish,wished, and finally it has happened! Now, I'm not saying this was a free lunch on my part in any way. Like all good things in life, one must exert some effort. So, here are the steps to making this thead a nice one to visit.
1. Suggested only. Download and start using the Firefox web browser. It's much better than

Yeah, I know. I decided to rename a certain software company to better reflect what it really is. No, actually, I just kept the example rewrite rule. Apparently a lot of people have issues with said software company.
2. This is the best part right here. Now I understand why Eric can get so excited over something located on the web. If you want spam of all sorts to be a past problem wrt web surfiing, then
Download this software call privproxy.
3. A sort explanation may be in order. A "proxy" server is just that, sort of like the VC was to N. 'Nam. By proxy, we're dsicussing the concept of "standing in for" and/or "intermediary". In the case of privproxy, it's just an intermediary between Firefox and the internet. I type in a site, say www.fourthturning.com/forums. Privproxy then forwards some bits and bytes over to fourthturning.com and asks for a web page. I can change to bits and bytes going to www.fourthturning.com/forums , like do not send any spam(defined as what I think is spam), if there's a phrase I'd like to change like right on this thrad, go change that to something that isn't irritating or just nuke it. I can also lie about assorted things as well to web sites. Like right now, every website out there thinks I'm running Linux! Finally, for some really nosy cookie monsters, I can feed them wafers instead. The wafers can send any rewrite I want. My email for cookie monsters is Jack_MeOff@69@/+street.jar.
Obvkously, that is a strange email address to confuse whatever email software some spam company might be collecting. Is this a valid email? Well no. It has special characters in it, it has 2 "@"'s, and a weird extension ".jar". The .jar is telling something that wants to know that, no this is not an email address, it's a Java file. That's why I have the "/" as well.
4. Here's a very good site as a way to introduce folks to the concept of web server proxies
5. It is only because I'm running a proxy that I can even visit Eric on his thread now.


Remember the late '60's/'70's? Even I do. Just close your eyes and pretend Eric is on a soapbox with a bullhorn. Just substitute 'Nam for Ratt and hopefully you'll understand Eric more.




ROTFLMAO!


Yes, I guess I can go adjust my proxy settings to "Do You like bubblegum, Awakening or otherwise?"


Or annihilate it from my web experience entirely via proxy.


Or perhaps Ratt. You may or may not like it, but to each to his/her own.


Done.

Yeah, I may have to do a few tweaks. There is that blasted entry above that has no spaces. That is a bad thing. In light of recent stock market action, I'm also thinking about changing "Facebook" to "Facefuck".

It may be necessary to play Ratt "Round and Round" or New Order "Round and Round". Either, and especially the latter, are useful antidotes to JB.

I do remember the late 60s and the 70s, and I can visualize Eric (without closing my eyes to see any kind of alternate world) with bullhorn (or loud hailer, if you prefer) in hand, pontificating on somehow closing his eyes and seeing a better world... and no one listening.