Yeah, but you can state that woo-woo from another source actually worked. That should be of some consolation, right? You didn't PM me or anything like that stating you were using tracking cookies.Originally Posted by Eric the Green
Not any more, remember? Mr. Reid cut off my receipts.Just not worth it to him.............
MBTI step II type : Expressive INTP
There's an annual contest at Bond University, Australia, calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term:
The winning student wrote:
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
It's reassuring to know that my load of music video tracking cookies, of which I have a very high number by now, includes some support for Eric. He doesn't need to thank me, of course.
Julius Caesar came, saw, and conquered. JB obviously inspires less lofty outcomes.I think this was more of a case of curiosity on Dave's part. He came, he listened, he puked. But hey, you did get click(s) from Dave from the process.
I am not sure what you mean by "woo-woo's". My closest circle of friends includes a huge proportion of Jonesers. As I have posted elsewhere, I really like Xers and Jonesers. I don't care if the general consensus of some Xers here is to dislike Boomers, my experience with Xers elsewhere has been great.Hmmmm. You're a Disco wave Boomer. Do y'all have woo-woo's like The Aquarians? Moi? Joneser outlier.
I am talking to, and working with Xers every day, and all of the time. My best employees were Xers. They got results with a minimum of fuss. I like the Xer can do attitude. I even like their cynicism and sense of humour.
Why do I have visions of Eric wearing a coin changer on his belt.Or as Eric has stated, this thread is both his temple and his money changer pit.
I love the 2T music I grew up with, of course, but I also love the 3T alternative, grunge, and rock music that I played in the office during my corporate days. My staff, who were usually all Xers who I hired out of preference, loved the music too.FWIW, I like 2T Boomer music as well.
Not that I understand what you mean by "worked." It just appears I have shared some good music I enjoy on this thread and elsewhere, but people here don't hear what I hear in it. So no, it did not "work."
Outside of you I have yet to meet someone who is a fan of Justin Bieber. No one my age likes the guy.
"The towers are gone now, reduced to bloody rubble, along with all hopes for Peace in Our Time, in the United States or any other country. Make no mistake about it: We are At War now with somebody and we will stay At War with that mysterious Enemy for the rest of our lives." - Hunter S Thompson
The Empire is Decadent and Depraved
Does it matter who likes him or who doesn't? Maybe the only thing that matters, is the music?
No one? Who's only 5 years older than him? Someone likes him; that's why he won the AMA award! Three awards, including favorite artist, male artist and best album. He even outvoted Maroon 5, who has the number one song for 6 weeks! There are just lots of beliebers, of all ages. Bieber fever is contagious. And Believe is just loaded with good songs. And "Pray" is the best song in a generation. Aren't you at all curious about such a song?
You just haven't met the "right" people yet! Don't worry, I think everyone will come around. Even you. He should have a lot of years ahead of him. He's already made so many good songs. How many more could there be? I think this thread will continue for a long time to come!! It will be hard to close your ears to him for the rest of your life. Although I suppose you could! Meanwhile, there's other good music. I hope you enjoy it. Happy listening.
Sorry don't care for his style of music. His fans are young teenage girls. I just don't see what's so great about him. I even watched part of the AMA's including his performance and it was awful. Good for you though if you like him I don't care. I won't judge you for having the musical tastes of a 13 year old girl.
"The towers are gone now, reduced to bloody rubble, along with all hopes for Peace in Our Time, in the United States or any other country. Make no mistake about it: We are At War now with somebody and we will stay At War with that mysterious Enemy for the rest of our lives." - Hunter S Thompson
The Empire is Decadent and Depraved
When I was 13 I listened to Beethoven. I think I had good taste then. When I was 14 I listened to The Beatles. I think I had good taste then too. I still do; I am a musician and I have excellent taste. Age is irrelevant. Who his fans are is irrelevant. You don't see what's so great about him, but he'll be around a while. There will be more chances for you to "see."
I imagine if I had carried around an opinion or judgement about him for who he is, and who his fans are; a predefinition of him as "atrocious" or "awful" just because others say so; I might have pinned that label on his music and listened to it through that lens, and not appreciated it. But I had no dog in that fight. I am too old to have such judgements. So I just listened to the music, and I like it.
My woo-woo worked in that it told me you were using tracking cookies. It''s like reading an astrology chart that say's "Eric has employed tracking cookies to make money wrt you know who". Obviously I could not have come to that conclusion with something scientific or observable. (Privoxy clobbers tracking cookies, so I never got yours.) Now, I can go on to state that I've used my woo-woo to get my mom out of a jam as well. I recall telling here to ditch Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac for gold stocks some 4 years before Fannie Mae /Freddie Mac crashed and burned. I also told her that gold had good vibes and to put the money there.
Now a word wrt "woo-woo". You of course state that you use astrology as your preferred woo-woo and I use subtle quantum fluctuations for my woo-woo. After all, one's choice of woo-woo has to of course make sense to said person. Since uraninite has radioactive uranium in it, I can get more fluctuations close to me which MIGHT allow for more predictions on my part. HTH
MBTI step II type : Expressive INTP
There's an annual contest at Bond University, Australia, calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term:
The winning student wrote:
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
Oh, we can fix this.
Internet explorer go to tools (The icon on the right that looks like a cog) , then select safety, then select browsing history. Now select the stuff you want to nuke. Internet Explorer is kinda dumb in that it won't let you pick which cookies to remove. You'll have to relogin here for example.
Firefox: Tools , options, privacy. Here, you can inspect the cookies and remove the ones you have no idea where they came from. Keep fourthturning.com for example.
True enough. I couldn't close the browser fast enough.Julius Caesar came, saw, and conquered. JB obviously inspires less lofty outcomes.
I think it's a Millie term for SOME Boomers' fascination with the supernatural. Examples, Eric's atrology is a "woo-woo" and my ability to know stuff that can't be known by the 5 known senses would be my "woo-woo". A synonym would be "bunk".I don't mind being blunt about the fact that Millies being the real world types they are to state that my stuff is indeed, bunk. I don't expect such things to really register with them and I'm ok with it.I am not sure what you mean by "woo-woo's".
Well, if it matters, from what I see here is that you don't say stuff that's really going to rile X'ers. Jonesers? Enough Boomer to "get it" and go along to get along.My closest circle of friends includes a huge proportion of Jonesers. As I have posted elsewhere, I really like Xers and Jonesers. I don't care if the general consensus of some Xers here is to dislike Boomers, my experience with Xers elsewhere has been great.
A fan of snark I see.I am talking to, and working with Xers every day, and all of the time. My best employees were Xers. They got results with a minimum of fuss. I like the Xer can do attitude. I even like their cynicism and sense of humour.
And stubborn.Why do I have visions of Eric wearing a coin changer on his belt.
I think anyone can go upthread and see the post I made that stated specifically that Eric was using tracking cookies here and I'll state again, yes, my woo-woo did work because the statement "Eric has used tracking cookies" is true and it's also true that I didn't use any of my 5 senses to make that statement in the post upthread. I fail to understand why nobody would think that my woo-woo didn't work.
From Alice in Chains to Zepplin, hey it's all good.I love the 2T music I grew up with, of course, but I also love the 3T alternative, grunge, and rock music that I played in the office during my corporate days. My staff, who were usually all Xers who I hired out of preference, loved the music too.
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MBTI step II type : Expressive INTP
There's an annual contest at Bond University, Australia, calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term:
The winning student wrote:
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
Well, you made it all up, so I guess that's what you mean by woo-woo.
Oh, OK, my guess is you think I'm doing bunk. Fair enough. I don't expect too many folks to understand the experience of flying the astral plane with the fundamental forces of gravity,weak force, strong force, and electromagnetism.
MBTI step II type : Expressive INTP
There's an annual contest at Bond University, Australia, calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term:
The winning student wrote:
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
I dunno if it's bunk or not, but your plane seems to be way off track this time.Oh, OK, my guess is you think I'm doing bunk. Fair enough. I don't expect too many folks to understand the experience of flying the astral plane with the fundamental forces of gravity,weak force, strong force, and electromagnetism.
To woo or not to woo, being the eternal doo wop question, is now doubled to woo and woo. Preferring to woo the ladies, or two with the woo-woo and the resulting "It's Complicated" outcomes, may be more fun than bending spoons. Of course, R.E.M. as always recognized and understood The Great Beyond in ways beyond the capacity of the lesser mortals. Boomers, of course, are able to take The Journey To The Center Of The Mind with wooing ease. In any case, the woo's have it; or is that ayes or eyes?
A little eye roll here, and a whatever there, goes a long way.Well, if it matters, from what I see here is that you don't say stuff that's really going to rile X'ers. Jonesers? Enough Boomer to "get it" and go along to get along.
Snarking and barking have their place, and tend to be criminally underrated in their dryness and bite.A fan of snark I see.
I prefer to think of it as "Eric is a man of strong convictions".And stubborn.
As long as the place was rockin', and everyone was enjoying themselves at the office, it worked well. Since the music played loud and proud, the staff was always happy, engaged, and having fun. They also got lots of work done too because they were having a blast. We did not play pop music in the office, as there was zero staff interest in that genre.From Alice in Chains to Zeppelin, hey it's all good.
Certainly, I have those. But I am open to learn some new things. And that also applies to virtually everyone else who posts here, and about all subjects. Few indeed here are those blessed souls who can hear past their convictions about the blessed Bieber. Myself, as I said, I had no convictions about Bieber at all, so I was and am able to hear his music. Most others here cannot. That's about all there is to it. So be it.
Tomorrow might be a sad day though for me. Bieber's record for most views of a video will probably be broken, if it hasn't been already by now. That disco ditty by PSY will beat it out. Who woulda thot!
edit: http://music.yahoo.com/news/psys-gan...194951824.html
Last edited by Eric the Green; 11-24-2012 at 07:19 PM.
I don't really follow pop in general. The 2nd to last pop song I heard was when a friend said he wanted to record a cover of "Baby are you Down" by Jay Sean and I responded with "Isn't that P.Diddy's clothing line?" And the last pop song I heard was Kesha's ticktock, because the same guy decided he needed to do a death metal cover of it.
Since then, he's quit working in retail, and I don't have to belly growl "pedicures on our toes" quite as often.
Oh, I learned young to woo-woo with Horatio Hoodoo (Charles Nelson Riley) on Lidsville.
A child of the 1960's, yup in a literal way, so to say.
Rock City.
*snark alert*
So, close your eyes and stay with me in Rock City. In my case that would be Lake Charles , specifically at the Paradise Casino. It's located in the industrial park by chemical plants and refineries. Eric would probably pass out from that scene. Strictly Xer scenery. Stark and involved with pecuniary pursuits: Poker and Petrochemicals. No close your eyes and pray here, no sir ree bub.
Now onto another floor onto the center of my mind.
By-Tor The Snowdog - Rush Flipside pretty much.
CB radio, beanbag chair, shoulder length red haired kid (me). Also being in the Rockies with dad collecting rocks. The song at the 7:10 time mark is really a sonic scene about the Rockies. Awesome riffs!
Yup.Snarking and barking have their place, and tend to be criminally underrated in their dryness and bite.
A principled man?I prefer to think of it as "Eric is a man of strong convictions".
A lot different than protest riddled Wallyworld. I do think that hellhole is up for a commupance. Their employees are dealing with God-aweful Christmas music and mobs of debt serfs right now. They are not happy, engaged, having fun, nor rockin. I don't know if I'm being principled, but I WILL NOT SHOP AT WALLYWORLD. I hate Christmas muzak, crowds, and the whole idea of black friday. I mean really Wally World has polluted National Geographic tonight and has even screwed up "Black in Black" by AC/DC. They're playing it in their freakin' commercials.As long as the place was rockin', and everyone was enjoying themselves at the office, it worked well. Since the music played loud and proud, the staff was always happy, engaged, and having fun. They also got lots of work done too because they were having a blast. We did not play pop music in the office, as there was zero staff interest in that genre.
MBTI step II type : Expressive INTP
There's an annual contest at Bond University, Australia, calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term:
The winning student wrote:
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
I avoided it all like the plague. Time to stay home, close your eyes and pray, and see a better day.
Not really. Cojoining woo-woo with plausible fundamental force interactions prevents internal contradictions in my head. While some folks may choose to accept science or "magick" as discrete entities or thinks one or the other is the alpha and the omega. Those are exactly the things I cannot do. IOW, if folks like Copperfield/Vandal'72 choose science as their alpha and omega, well OK, it's their choice. If you choose "magick", then well, OK, that's your choice. Now, what I do think is that only a Joneser can accept both having merits, but at the cost of resolving aforementioned internal contradictions.
MBTI step II type : Expressive INTP
There's an annual contest at Bond University, Australia, calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term:
The winning student wrote:
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
And now you're way off subject too. This is not the philosophy and science thread, this is the Bieber thread! You claimed to know through your woo-woo methods that I was getting paid for posting links. I played along, but clearly, your woo-woo has led you astray on that one! So you might want to refine your methods further. You are in need of further practice and study. I have a suggestion in that regard.
You and others can simply seek to ignore the sensational JB, for reasons of jealousy or whatever. However, he is clearly a magician of high order, to have such an attraction beyond anyone but a few others maybe even in all history; as well as able to summon the forces of creativity on his behalf in using music to contact heaven. While people here, for whatever reason, are unwilling to grant these powers to the illustrious Bieb, many others (as indicated in you tube comments for example) have transformed their opinions of him based on what they have heard in his music over the last 3 years, especially his latest AMA-award-winning album Believe, and the monumental sonic adventure/compassionate poem entitled "Pray." So it is possible to make the transformation, and it would be a valuable experience on the path to wisdom. I wonder if 20 years from now, you people here will still be referring to him as a teenage fad of no merit. Good luck, but I think you could, if you are seriously interested in woo-woo, study him to see how he works his magic on millions of people around the world, in hopes that you could acquire even a small portion of abilities like he has. It would be worth your time. He is a great teacher.
Speaking of woo woo, I want to remind people of another point (I know, more "throat-shoving," or is it worship in the temple; woo-woo is common in temples after all).
Ever hear of the fibonacci series? It is commonly found in great works of art, living things and natural phenomena. It is also known as the golden proportion or divine proportion or ratio. If you want to exert a magic spell and attract viewers and listeners to your art, put the golden ratio in it.
According to L.A. Reid, the man who signed him, Justin Bieber is comparable to The Beatles, Elvis Prestley and Michael Jackson. Why does his most-popular song "Baby" exert such a powerful magic attraction on millions of listeners and viewers? Even in spite of all the jealous haterz? Why is Baby #2 all time on you tube, with over 804 million views, and still #42 on you tube after almost 3 years? Why has it sold over 8 million digital copies, and highlighted a top selling CD? Why does it and its artist stir young fans into a "screaming, crying, fainting frenzy" and cause "mass hysteria wherever he goes," according to Oprah?
The chorus of the song is criticized and hated for being banal, bubblegum, teenage tripe-- that would be a good summary. It's simple stuff, for sure. "Baby, baby, baby oooh" So why does it exert such a spell? Because the golden proportion is in it, that's why. I don't know if anyone intended it, but there it is. It's the length of time of each "baby" word in the chorus, compared to the following "baby." Listen, and you should hear it there. And then, the following "oooh" is about in the same divine ratio with the first "baby," and also (including the "like") in reverse with all three "baby"s.
It's also based on a line in the Supremes' greatest song "Baby Love."
And at 1:36 in the Oprah clip and 1:59 in the Baby video, Bieber makes a sign that pictures the chakras or kundalini, the magic force of life. Even MORE woo-woo! Wow!
No-one but a divinely-guided wizard could have pulled off what Bieber has done, and will continue to do.
Last edited by Eric the Green; 11-25-2012 at 02:26 AM.
You may want to add both of those to the wiki, then. The closest things that carry as pop hits on the Wikisection for it in popular culture are Tool's "Lateralus" and Black Star's "Astronomy". The rest, I think, are all classical.
In terms of magnitude either of those songs would be bigger than any of the songs the wiki references. It would also be an incredible achievement for popular music, as a fibonacci sequence found in a pop (genre) song is next to impossible, as pop requires small progressions making up it's measures and a verse-chorus structure which doesn't provide the movement structures that would pin a fibonacci sequence to a song in an unintrusive manner.
A mathy art rock band like Tool can do it, because they forgo standard structures. A really deep purist hip-hop group like Black Star can because, again you forgo a standard verse chorus structure in it's rawest forms. But in a top 40 pop song? Unprecidented.
Well, something to consider. I suppose I would need a time-piece capable of actually measuring it; people might not accept me just pointing it out.
I can figure how they coordinated it with the basic beat. Give the first "Baby" a value of 8, starting on the first beat. Then the second 5, and the last 3, which also adds up to 8, starting on the second beat. The Oooh seems to begin just after the third beat. Including the "like," it stops just before the first beat again (value about 13). So it's close, but not exact.
Last edited by Eric the Green; 11-25-2012 at 02:38 AM.
See, that doesn't really work, because fibronacci starts on 1. It's gotta go 1, 1, 2, 3 before it even gets close to where you're at. In order for Tool to get it in Lateralus, the song has to carry 3 different time signatures, and the sequence has to carry over into the second verse to really be recognized.
And that's why it was able to be put in classical peices so much easier. If you're writing a pop (as in contemporary popular culture music, not as in genre) song, one of the most basic characteristic is that you must have a verse chorus verse structure. As you get further outside the realm of pop (genre) in contemprary popular culture music, you get more leeway because the conventions of the genres such that math rock or mathcore will allow you to have songs where you can change time signatures 3 or 4 times in a song or not begin the verse or chorus at the same point in the measure each time.
Also, even though it's not an ironclad rule of pop as a genre, but length makes it difficult to fit the full sequence (or any sequence beyond the basic progression) into a section of a song. The 2:30 target time doesn't really leave a lot of time to do anything but sit down play the song and finish it (but it does allow you to write simple songs without being driven mad by the repetition, so there's your up side). If you really want to put it in there without changing time sequence, you'll need to be willing to play a 10 minute song (and I'd say you'd need either an intro to ensure you get a true 1,1).
That's certainly true. Although for purposes of art, it doesn't matter if the full exact number sequence is used, only that the proportion appears somewhere. The proportions of baby baby baby could have been fit into the beat, because any two sections of the melody line (e.g. 3+5) equals another section (e.g. 8) in the golden proportion. It isn't exact, but it sounds similar to what it would be were the proportions exact. So that may be part of its attraction.
