As he mentioned in the interview I posted earlier in the thread, "some people don't like the idea of me." Can a teenage pop star be so successful, even though others perhaps just as talented are not? And the fact that he really is not "manufactured" and does not do "shit for the tween masses," is hard for many people (here and elsewhere) to believe and comprehend. So they knock him. But others not only "empathize," they realize that he does good music, and they appreciate it a lot. Comments on the videos prove that. It's a question of people realizing that he is in fact a good musician and singer-songwriter, and that his songs are good, in spite of his being a teen idol and a "pretty boy." The instrumental arrangements and melodies are more musical, more beautiful and more romantic than those of other current pop stars. I am glad I discovered his music; it has enriched my life. His singing is not to everyone's taste. Pop music styles do not appeal to a lot of older people. But those who are amenable and open to his kind of music, can hear the quality in it. It speaks for itself. He has co-created more good songs, and in a shorter time, than anyone else in his generation today, by far. And people also appreciate his humanitarian generosity, his charming, inspiring and witty personality, and his intelligence and ability to manage his life and his money. He isn't perfect as a person or an artist. But he is one cool and admirable dude.

Good performance of Baby (short portion of it, by JB), Never Say Never (JB feat. Jaden Smith), and OMG (by Usher/will.i.am) at Feb 2011 Grammy Awards:

http://youtu.be/IWIwRg9CKu8

Jeopardy comes through again for JB!

This time the category was musicians in movies, and the contestants missed the second to most-expensive question in the category, which was Never Say Never. But Alex said that 3 young boys in the audience knew it; I wonder how Alex knew that. That was a bit surprising to me. Do they rehearse the show for the audience? Or did they smile when the answer came up?

So, time for me to make another post to my virtual temple to JB. And I was just thinking about his latest hit, and it occurs to me that the songs he is most-exclusively responsible for as writer and producer, are very personal ones, and are about his relationships. Especially these three, which are all great acoustic songs:

Where Are You Now 2009 (about his father Jeremy)

Be Alright 2011 (about Selena)

Nothing Like Us 2013 (about Selena)

These are songs of high quality, for someone of his age today, or indeed for someone of any age and time.

Lots of older folks, and lots of guys, knock his voice. But I realize there is something special about it that attracts and holds people. The predominance of water signs in his chart gives me the clue. His voice conveys feelings, sensibility and sensuality very well, and you know he cares when you hear it. For young girls, it is nurturing and comforting. And of course he does actually care, as shown by the contact he keeps with his fans, his gifts and actions for charity, his spirituality, etc.

Comment on Where Are You Now:

alexandra1in1love 1 week ago
I do not like all of what this kid is doing but I admit he has some times some moment of genius

Here's another good song I haven't posted yet, which he recorded with Drake

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlHJXVDRSNE

New unreleased song "You Want Me'



features cool electronic effects, innovative melodies; may be unfinished

Something else to hang up in the virtual temple:

The cool Justin Bieber in the "biggest interview Oprah has done since Michael Jackson"

Oh, tragic! What would Anne Frank think of her would-be idol/hero now?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3154271.html

Though I would admit if Willie Nelson (a real musician) was with him at the time it would actually increase my respect of the Bieb from not a damn bit at all to just a wee bit above not in the least damn bit.

At least the Huff Post is good for one thing - and that's 'celebrity' gossip.

j.p.

Bieber's no hunk. He's obiously no Xer either.

Originally Posted by CNN

Editor's note: Dean Obeidallah, a former attorney, is a political comedian and frequent commentator on various TV networks including CNN. He is the editor of the politics blog The Dean's Report and co-host of a new CNN podcast "The Big Three" that looks at the top three stories of the week. Follow him on Twitter @deanofcomedy.
(CNN) -- Just when you think teen superstar Justin Bieber couldn't possibly do anything dumber, he does something that makes you do a double face palm. Bieber is truly achieving the impossible: He's making Lindsay Lohan look good.
So what did Bieber do this time? Well, over the weekend he stopped at the Anne Frank House in Amsterdam. This museum is dedicated to preserving the memory of Anne Frank, whose chronicle of her family's efforts to hide from the Nazis during World War II would later become "The Diary of Anne Frank."
Bieber ended his visit by writing in the Holocaust memorial's guest book: "Truly inspiring to come here. Anne was a great girl. Hopefully she would have been a belieber."


Dean Obeidallah
For those who wonder what he's talking about, a "belieber" is a term used to describe one of Bieber's devoted fans. Apparently Bieber's take-away from visiting this Holocaust memorial was that he hoped that Anne Frank would've been a fan of his music. He may have just redefined the word "narcissistic."
There is a silver lining to this. Some of his young fans tweeted that they had never heard of Anne Frank. Consequently, the controversy surrounding his comments apparently raised awareness about the horrors of the Holocaust to some young people previously unfamiliar with it. And the Anne Frank House praised Bieber's visit.
It was being gracious. But Bieber really needs to stop talking for a while. And I don't say that as someone who harbors an inappropriate amount of dislike for the teen singer. In fact, last May I wrote a piece for CNN.com defending and actually sympathizing with Bieber when he had an altercation with the paparazzi.
But that was almost a year ago. *Since then, Bieber has become unbearable.
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In the last month alone, we have watched ^Bieber caught on tape being restrained by his bodyguards as he unleashed a stream of obscenities and threatened members of the paparazzi with physical violence. He also allegedly spit in the face of one of his neighbors and threatened him after the neighbor complained that ^Bieber was driving his Ferrari at 100 mph in their gated community.
Then we saw Bieber storm out of his March birthday party like a spoiled child calling it the "worst birthday." He went on to show up almost an hour late for his concert in London. And in January, photos surfaced of Bieber smoking what the website TMZ said appeared to be weed with his friend rapper, Lil Twist.
I get it. Bieber wants the world to know he isn't a kid anymore.

So he has decided to go the "bad ass" route.
But Bieber will never, ever be the tough guy he wants to be. Why? For starters, he's Canadian. When you think Canada, you think nice, often overly polite people -- not thugs.
Bieber skips apology, goes shirtless Is criticism of Justin Bieber fair?
Second, Bieber is 5 feet 7 inches tall and weighs 130 pounds.

Those measurements say "horse jockey," not scary guy. (Sure, actor Joe Pesci is only 5 feet 4 inches tall and known as a tough guy, but Pesci is Sicilian and was born in Newark, New Jersey, not London, Ontario.)
Bieber is clearly heading down the path of many child stars desperate to make the transformation into grown-up star. But his actions are not getting him there. Instead, he is becoming a walking punch line.
He has a few options. He could simply retire and enjoy his wealth. Estimates are that he is worth more than $100 million. Not bad for a 19-year-old kid -- from Canada. But it's unlikely that Bieber will take that route.
The other option is to avoid the fate of past teen stars who have ended up behind bars or worse as they struggled toward adulthood.
Instead, he could follow the lead of another Justin: Justin Timberlake. He, too, was a young star. First on "The Mickey Mouse Club" and then in the much better known boy band 'N Sync. Timberlake didn't try to be something he's not. He continued to make music and then made a successful transition into acting.
Decision time is now for Justin Bieber: He can be a Timberlake or a cautionary tale that parents tell their kids who want to go into show business. What's it going to be?


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And this posting shirtless vids?
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/showbiz/2013/04/17/sbt-hugh-jackman-confronted-by-alle

Shameless defilement of the shrine below.

Originally Posted by Pubmed

ACTN3 R577X polymorphism and performance phenotypes in young Chinese male soldiers.

Shang X, Zhang F, Zhang L, Huang C.
Source

Institute of Military Training, The 150 Hospital of the Chinese People's Liberation Army, Luoyang, Henan, China.

Abstract

Alpha-actinin-3 (ACTN3) is absent in 18% of healthy Caucasian individuals owing to homozygosity for a premature stop codon (X) at amino acid 577 (rs1815739). Previous studies have shown a strong association between ACTN3 genotype and human athletic performance. In a study of 452 young Chinese male soldiers, we examined the distribution of ACTN3 genotypes and alleles and analysed the association between ACTN3 genotypes and athletic performance. We found that the frequencies of the ACTN3 R577X genotype (RR 39.8%, RX 43.4%, and XX 16.8%) and R577X allele (R 61.5%, X 38.5%) in young Chinese males were not significantly different from those in Caucasians. We only observed a significant association (P = 0.025) between ACTN3 R577X genotypes and grip strength. Participants with the XX genotype displayed significantly lower handgrip strength than individuals with the RR genotype (P = 0.021), but the difference between XX and RX means (P = 0.258) and that between RR and RX means (P = 0.42) was not significant. We did not observe a strong association between the ACTN3 R577X genotypes and sprint phenotypes or endurance phenotypes. In conclusion, our results indicate that the ACTN3 R577X polymorphism is most strongly associated with grip strength in young Chinese male soldiers.

Advice to object of shrine.

Stick to jogging. Leave the tough guy/breaking bad stuff to the experts like Henry Rollins. You're probably R577XX dude. You know the "hard gainer" type wrt weight training.






Henry Rollins would turn subject of shrine into a grease spot.

If you've seen Justin's daddy in a T-shirt, you know Justin's got the genes to be a hunk. He probably will be, but I also admired him maybe even more when he was a short teenage champion athlete. He was amazing; did you see the video where Obama was talking about a celebrity basketball tournament in which his friend played, and got beat by Justin Bieber? He was a champion hockey player too, and played soccer, and is a skilled skateboarder, learned to waterski immediately, and jumped off cliffs while others were afraid. He's going to make a basketball movie with Mark Wallberg. Some wimpy gay person, eh! And I looked at how much weight he lifted once, and I wondered how he could do it. He may be losing some of this, hanging out in his LA mansion and the car Scooter bought for him.

And his style of singing caught peoples' attention real fast. Scooter Braun was "obsessed with this kid." The haters like Rags will focus on a few things he does; he admits he's not perfect. I would like to eventually see him explore spirituality more deeply, be more outspoken in support of the environment, and give up steak as his "favorite meal." But these days, no-one in the music biz does more for his fans, or more for needy people and charity, than Justin does. No-one comes close to him in any way. He deserves all his popularity, and more!

And no-one does better pop music than Justin. Meanwhile, folks here can't even hear it. Thank goodness there are some pop artists emerging who do real music; simple but profound, joyous, upbeat, easy and fun to sing and dance to, wonderful melodies, harmony and instrumental arrangements-- some of them truly amazing, like Pray, Good Time, Believe, Be Alright, All I Want Is You, One Less Lonely Girl, All Around the World, Curiosity, When Can I See You Again, Say Somethin, These Broken Hands of Mine, Cough Cough; heck even the 2012 mega-hits by Maroon 5 qualify! But you guys, lost in the mists of cynical, dark, mind and sense-numbing noise and boredom; how dare you knock the best! You have no basis for complaint at all, dudes! or gals! But thanks anyway.

Here's a fun one among his hundreds of interviews:



One thing I have found especially interesting about him growing up, is that there's a new model of Justin Bieber every year:

The sweet, graceful, energetic, pre-pubescent, overly-talented but fun kid of 2009,

the suave, agile, always-smiling boy-heartthrob-in-motion with beatle hairdo in 2010,

the polite, funny, clean-cut young movie star of 2011,

the cool, sexy, soulful, slightly-nasel, greaser, slightly-tattooed, slightly-muscular young adult of 2012.

I'm not sure there's a 2013 JB model yet; he may be the sexy ladies' man for a while this time! I hope the 2013 model is not "the guy with a temper going over the edge too often," but maybe that's the 2013 JB. He'll move on to more great things, I am sure. It's in the stars!

Most well-documented kid going through puberty in history
http://youtu.be/m9XdQhW-OLU
(and he drives an earth-friendly car!)

Oh yeah, and comparisons to Justin Timberlake are so lame. JT has never made a decent record in his life. There is just nothing there at all. And why does JT get away with singing like a girl at 29, and Justin is still tagged with that even though his voice is deeper than JT's?

1. Lot's of juicy morsels, I'll comment on when I have time. My spice grinder arrived and I have lots of barberry clippings to grind. I've noticed my barberry bush is of good quality. The first grinding resulted is a nice yellowish power. This is a most desired outcome. Yellow = high berberine content. Hopefully , my tobacco plants will turn out this well when they're ready.

Originally Posted by Eric The Green

...
and jumped off cliffs while others were afraid...

I'd say there's a fine line between bravery and outright stupidity. Visual aid needed.

Or as POC puts it, you need a video.



The one I found also has an improvised skateboard. I did this just for you. You're "special".

Perhaps you know who can contact Vandal and learn a few things about gravity and physics. His knowledge seems insufficient.

Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62

Perhaps you know who can contact Vandal and learn a few things about gravity and physics. His knowledge seems insufficient.

JB is a bright boy; he wouldn't be foolish enough to do that. And anyway, rousting with vandal would only stoke his temperamental side, which he needs to calm now. I saw him jump the cliff in a DVD my friend gave me. Not to worry

OK, got my barberry powder now.

Originally Posted by Eric The Green

...
If you've seen Justin's daddy in a T-shirt, you know Justin's got the genes to be a hunk. He probably will be, but I also admired him maybe even more when he was a short teenage champion athlete. He was amazing; did you see the video where Obama was talking about a celebrity basketball tournament in which his friend played, and got beat by Justin Bieber? He was a champion hockey player too, and played soccer, and is a skilled skateboarder, learned to waterski immediately, and jumped off cliffs while others were afraid. He's going to make a basketball movie with Mark Wallberg. Some wimpy gay person, eh! And I looked at how much weight he lifted once, and I wondered how he could do it. He may be losing some of this, hanging out in his LA mansion and the car Scooter bought for him.

I'll start with the car. Is that the one he performed wreckless driving with? If someone was driving 100 mph and hit me and I got injured, I'd do a major lawsuit smackdown for such irresponsibility. That's on par with drunk driving.

Daddy in T shirt. Well, I assume he also has a mother. Now, his dad may be 577(R,X) or 577(R,R). The info you've provided is not sufficient. Mum could be 577(X,X),577(R,X), or 577(R,R).

Now on the other stuff, OK how much weight did he lift, which type of hockey? (Street or ice hockey)? Sources please. I provide sources formy stuff.

Now another hottie news item wrt breaking bad.

http://news.sky.com/story/1082965/ju...un-on-tour-bus

Some weed and a stun sun, good. Well now, perhaps he'll get better. He's getting the 'tude of the "dark side" so if he can start writing/singing some metal/goth, I'll be most pleased. Of course, I'd suggest something like 20 tats and a blue/green mohawk as well.

Here's an excellent song he can do a cover for.



... I don't give a damn 'cause I'm young and reckless...

Yeah baby, you'll soon know the power of the darkside, young beiber.

---
Darth Rags.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

Oh yeah, and comparisons to Justin Timberlake are so lame. JT has never made a decent record in his life. There is just nothing there at all. And why does JT get away with singing like a girl at 29, and Justin is still tagged with that even though his voice is deeper than JT's?

To be fair, I never liked Justin Timberlake's music or voice either.

Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62

I'll start with the car. Is that the one he performed wreckless driving with? If someone was driving 100 mph and hit me and I got injured, I'd do a major lawsuit smackdown for such irresponsibility. That's on par with drunk driving.

I think that was the car, but he may be driving a different one now because the first is too recognizable. That's what I heard him say. Yes, he should be more careful.

Daddy in T shirt. Well, I assume he also has a mother. Now, his dad may be 577(R,X) or 577(R,R). The info you've provided is not sufficient. Mum could be 577(X,X),577(R,X), or 577(R,R).

Why wouldn't Daddy's DNA be sufficient to have an effect? You can't tell from the Mommy anyway.

Now on the other stuff, OK how much weight did he lift, which type of hockey? (Street or ice hockey)? Sources please. I provide sources for my stuff.

I don't think there has been sufficient honest interest here in him for me to do that extensive research, but I'm sure it has all been posted here somewhere along the line in all these interviews and videos I have posted here. I forget now; there are so many. But of course it was ice hockey, and he was in some sort of championship game. I understand he was considering it as a career. His idol Wayne Gretsky visited him on an Ellen show. I saw him lift about 225 on a video too. I don't remember which one, but if I come across it I'll post it. It is clear he has energy beyond appearances. Like I said, you wouldn't want to mess with him. Remember how he said he could take out the Jonas Brothers because "he has a good punch."

Bieber hits him with a stun gun and punches him out

Now another hottie news item wrt breaking bad.

http://news.sky.com/story/1082965/ju...un-on-tour-bus

Some weed and a stun sun, good. Well now, perhaps he'll get better. He's getting the 'tude of the "dark side" so if he can start writing/singing some metal/goth, I'll be most pleased. Of course, I'd suggest something like 20 tats and a blue/green mohawk as well.

Here's an excellent song he can do a cover for....
... I don't give a damn 'cause I'm young and reckless...

I actually heard Bieber say he might want to do heavy metal. I posted that here long ago. So you never know. I expect if he does, it will (unlike your heavy metal stuff) have quality. I think we will continue to move forward though, not slide backwards into 3T noise; although rap and lousy pop still has a lot of "pop" on the pop charts. He also definitely said each album he does will be successively "edgier" (but still clean). I expect he will follow his muse wherever it leads him. His latest songs were in the folky-romantic vein.

But there was no indication in the articles you linked here that Bieber was smoking on the bus, although he may have been caught with some earlier IIRC.

Yeah baby, you'll soon know the power of the darkside, young beiber.

---
Darth Rags.

Get the spelling right at least, if you address the young man!

Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62

I'd say there's a fine line between bravery and outright stupidity. Visual aid needed.

Or as POC puts it, you need a video.



The one I found also has an improvised skateboard. I did this just for you. You're "special".

Perhaps you know who can contact Vandal and learn a few things about gravity and physics. His knowledge seems insufficient.

http://www.torinfo.com/justforlaughs/coyote_v_acme.html

Breaking from Newsmax.com

Buffett Tweets, Gains 1,000 Followers a Minute

Warren Buffett accumulates Twitter followers even faster than he makes money.

The 82-year-old "Oracle of Omaha" joined the service and sent his first tweet on Thursday, picking up more than 45,000 followers in just under 45 minutes.

"Warren is in the house," the notoriously technology-averse billionaire said under the handle "@WarrenBuffett."

If followers were dollars, Buffett is having even more success on Twitter than he had with one of his best investments ever, his 2008 stake in Goldman Sachs Group. That deal gave him preferred stock that paid dividends at $900 a minute. On Twitter, he has gathered 1,000 followers a minute.

By joining Twitter, the Berkshire Hathaway chief executive officer now stands in good mogul company. Other relatively recent converts to the service include News Corp CEO Rupert Murdoch (@RupertMurdoch) and former President Bill Clinton (@BillClinton).

© 2013 Thomson/Reuters. All rights reserved.


But can he beat Justin Bieber? (about 30 million followers and counting)

Bieber did a show in Moscow recently. His organization even went so far as to give away free tickets. Still, the venue was more than half empty.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

Breaking from Newsmax.com

Buffett Tweets, Gains 1,000 Followers a Minute

Warren Buffett accumulates Twitter followers even faster than he makes money.

The 82-year-old "Oracle of Omaha" joined the service and sent his first tweet on Thursday, picking up more than 45,000 followers in just under 45 minutes.

"Warren is in the house," the notoriously technology-averse billionaire said under the handle "@WarrenBuffett."

If followers were dollars, Buffett is having even more success on Twitter than he had with one of his best investments ever, his 2008 stake in Goldman Sachs Group. That deal gave him preferred stock that paid dividends at $900 a minute. On Twitter, he has gathered 1,000 followers a minute.

By joining Twitter, the Berkshire Hathaway chief executive officer now stands in good mogul company. Other relatively recent converts to the service include News Corp CEO Rupert Murdoch (@RupertMurdoch) and former President Bill Clinton (@BillClinton).

© 2013 Thomson/Reuters. All rights reserved.

I just sent a tweet out from one of Warren Buffett's publicists about a seminar where you can ask a question of @warrenbuffett They are really working Twitter hard.

But can he beat Justin Bieber? (about 30 million followers and counting)

That 30 million number is a real exaggeration, as it is for most of the Twitter celebs. Huge percentages of their followers are either fake or inactive.

From the link posted above for JB (other celeb fake follower numbers are similar or worse):
Total Followers: 37,530,447
Total Fakes: 10,133,221
Total Fakes + Inactives: 21,767,659

Originally Posted by Justin '77

Bieber did a show in Moscow recently. His organization even went so far as to give away free tickets. Still, the venue was more than half empty.

In case you didn't see one of the videos above: His Believe tour sold out worldwide in an hour.

The main reason Justin Bieber has more real followers than anyone is of course that he actually interacts with and follows his fans, and does all his own tweets. Glad to see he has passed Lady Gaga for the raw total to be #1.

Interesting stats and page. I don't know how they determine how many followers are fake or inactive.

I am not active on twitter; it was too hard for me to use, and short messages mean nothing to me. However, as you know, I liked Justin Bieber on facebook. As of now, he has 53,149,515 likes. He just posted this: "love the job. #giveback. thanks moscow" with this picture:

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

The main reason Justin Bieber has more real followers than anyone is of course that he actually interacts with and follows his fans, and does all his own tweets. Glad to see he has passed Lady Gaga for the raw total to be #1.

Interesting stats and page. I don't know how they determine how many followers are fake or inactive.

I am not active on twitter; it was too hard for me to use, and short messages mean nothing to me.

There are several tools that determine who is a fake or inactive follower. There is nothing magical or even guesswork based about it.

Fake followers are well known as they are on file as being purchased in bulk from follower sellers. The same fakes appear over and over again on the follower lists. One thing celeb handlers do is purchase followers to build up their raw numbers. Fans are taken in by the numbers. As you seem to have missed, JB is not the only celeb that has handlers who purchase known fakes. Neither JB's nor Lady Gaga's numbers are accurate or legitimate, but that seems to be the case for most heavily "followed" celebs, as demonstrated by the link.

My post was nothing personal against JB, but simply offering a real world perspective on the numbers, and why they should be taken with entire shakers of salt.

Inactive followers are those who have not tweeted in three months or more. Some tools use six months without a tweet as the bar for inactive. They are the easiest to detect as the coding simply searches for the last tweet date. In fairness, the inactive followers, and again an ocean of salt is required, may have been legitimate followers at one point.

I am a heavy user of Twitter, and advise business on the use of social media including Twitter and Facebook. I am also interviewed regularly on the mainstream and alternative media about social media. I am very aware of the tricks of the hucksters to appear more important on the social media landscape than they really are in fact. I strongly oppose the use of these tricks, and as a result, have less respect for the celebs and others who use them.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

However, as you know, I liked Justin Bieber on facebook. As of now, he has 53,149,515 likes. He just posted this: "love the job. #giveback. thanks moscow"

As a matter of interest, Facebook likes can be purchased as well. There are firms in India that will do page likes in bulk for a small fee, of course. I am not saying that JB has likes that were purchased, but that phenomenon has plagued Facebook celebs and their reputations as well. Take Facebook likes with massive quantities of salt as well.

Originally Posted by Wayneh56

I just sent a tweet out from one of Warren Buffett's publicists about a seminar where you can ask a question of @warrenbuffett They are really working Twitter hard.

Eric's counting bots, lovely. http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-574...-to-clickbots/

(I use scripts that autoclick on Zynga's Mafia Wars. ) Who wants to click thousands of wall posts by hand. I don't.

Twitter bots http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitterbot

That 30 million number is a real exaggeration, as it is for most of the Twitter celebs. Huge percentages of their followers are either fake or inactive.

From the link posted above for JB (other celeb fake follower numbers are similar or worse):
Total Followers: 37,530,447
Total Fakes: 10,133,221
Total Fakes + Inactives: 21,767,659

Bots are taking over the world.

Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62

Eric's counting bots, lovely. http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-574...-to-clickbots/

(I use scripts that autoclick on Zynga's Mafia Wars. ) Who wants to click thousands of wall posts by hand. I don't.

Twitter bots http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitterbot




Bots are taking over the world.

Celebs and corporations use the bots and click firms in India all of the time to boost their Facebook like numbers. Bots are scanning Facebook and Twitter around the clock of course. As noted, Twitter has so many bots running over their system that you almost need to classify which bot type and purpose is being discussed. When I post music videos on Twitter for background music on some Twitter chats, I get bot messages all of the time. Wanna get a Twitter bot to post to you? Mention a certain tree fruit logo computer company and then bam. There it is.

Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62

Bots are taking over the world.

Would that be the Beiberbot?

Originally Posted by Wayneh56

There are several tools that determine who is a fake or inactive follower. There is nothing magical or even guesswork based about it.

Fake followers are well known as they are on file as being purchased in bulk from follower sellers. The same fakes appear over and over again on the follower lists. One thing celeb handlers do is purchase followers to build up their raw numbers. Fans are taken in by the numbers. As you seem to have missed, JB is not the only celeb that has handlers who purchase known fakes. Neither JB's nor Lady Gaga's numbers are accurate or legitimate, but that seems to be the case for most heavily "followed" celebs, as demonstrated by the link.

I take your claims about "handlers" who do that with a grain of salt too. Knowing how many fake phone calls I get, I suspect robots are out there amassing fake followers for all the celebs for some commercial purpose. But I understand you know more about this than I do. I just wonder if one's number of followers on twitter is that important to a celebrity that they would buy and add fake followers just to build up their number. And all of them doing it? Even the president? Why? And even with all these fakes, no-one can keep up with Justin Bieber. Not Warren Buffet, and not even Lady Gaga. Why?

My post was nothing personal against JB, but simply offering a real world perspective on the numbers, and why they should be taken with entire shakers of salt.

Why would Obama's handlers waste their time boosting the stats on his number of followers? I suspect these fakes come from other sources besides the celeb or his handlers.

Inactive followers are those who have not tweeted in three months or more. Some tools use six months without a tweet as the bar for inactive. They are the easiest to detect as the coding simply searches for the last tweet date. In fairness, the inactive followers, and again an ocean of salt is required, may have been legitimate followers at one point.

I don't see why such an inactive follower is not a true follower. Many folks don't have to time to keep up with twitter that fast. I stopped using it because it has too many roadblocks to use. That may be a factor for many people too.

I am a heavy user of Twitter, and advise business on the use of social media including Twitter and Facebook. I am also interviewed regularly on the mainstream and alternative media about social media. I am very aware of the tricks of the hucksters to appear more important on the social media landscape than they really are in fact. I strongly oppose the use of these tricks, and as a result, have less respect for the celebs and others who use them.

Apparently they all do it, even the president. And you can't deny that JB still has more "real" followers than anyone. It is the quality of his music that matters to JB and his followers. You deny this quality, so maybe you attribute his popularity more to handlers and fake followers. But that's your opinion, and I am happy to receive it on this thread.

Originally Posted by Wayneh56

Would that be the Beiberbot?

Who is the Beiberbot?

How about Belieberbots?