Originally Posted by Eric the Green

Well, he being so naturally small and skinny, no cardio regimen was needed. And he's been lean and very athletic and hyper-active for years already.

That could be. Some folks have very efficient fat burning enzymes. I'll spare the details since that's in the Vandal fodder, 'kay.

Running?

No, weight lifting. Essentially, I had a desk job which of course meant I was sitting on my ass. Now, being a good boy, I get routine exams from the doc. The lipd panel came back OK, except for low HDL. Now, there's no drug to fix that. The only known thing that does work is getting to 90% HMAX. I suppose one could sprint/slow down/sprint in intervals because you can't keep going for long at 90% since you're way past your cardiovascular system's ability to get oxygen to working muscle. IOW, you "feel the burn" and pant like a dog on a hot July day. Now, multi joint weight exercises like bench press/squats/dead lifts will get you up to 90% real fast. I think the other factor is that I'm just better at weights than cardio. In a way, I think folks just self select which option without a gene scan. Mine just confirmed what I pretty much already knew from experience. The short story is that if I do weights, I can double my HDL ("good cholesterol". ) Weights also fixes other things like blood pressure, (not as good as when I chucked salt, but still...) and if you're middle aged, they'll increase your bone density so when ya get real old, you won't get bone fractures or collapsed vertebrae, etc. Now, Indie has the other piece for bone health. You need calcium/vitamin D/magnesium/vitamin K to the bones have what they need to mineralize when stimulated to do so. IIRC, you lean towards the cardio side. You might want to check out wind sprints.

No doubt about that; he has the money and support none of us have, although I admire his efficient use of time; something most of us can only dream of. He's a man in motion; less so than in the hyper-active, whirlwind days of 2010, but still impressive. Congrats on your own achievements though.

I'll grant you he's not an obese mess like so much of America (especially Oklahoma).

The best part about the whole thing is the song. "Bigger" is such a gem; such a perfect melody and performance. And so prophetic of what he would become, and would need to say later to all his "haters." Even though his voice was too high and he was too young for lots of macho guys, the high point of his performance skills may have been his first EP My World (e.g. Bigger, One Less Lonely Girl, Love Me; just amazing vocal harmonies and spirit!). And his dancing skills were better then too, I think. But now he's making even ME a little jealous with his muscles. I wanted that when I was 19. But I could never have beaten a retired basketball superstar in a celebrity match. Ratt is a champ, in several ways.

Obviously difference in music taste, been there, done that. Muscles? Uh, there I fail to see any reason to be jealous. He's in his physical prime, we're not. I remember lugging railroad ties from where my dad's garden was to make a border for mine at age 14. I couldn't pick 'em up and carry them, but dragging 'em over and placing them as a border was so easy then. I also had the stamina to stash a bunch of rocks in a backpack at age 14. My dad and one of my aunts/uncles had a cabin in NM. There was a place where you could get mineral at the top of a mountain. I managed to lug those things up and down steep slopes. My 5 mile paper route is probably what did that. I think if you lug 100+ papers in Oklahoma's crazy weather, you'll get fit and stay fit quite nicely. There's a reason why 20 somethings are draft eligible and we're not. It would take both of us a while to recover from microtraumas to mucles. In basic, your 20 something gets fit in a hurry because the microtrauma/recovery cycle is matched up. If you're 51, you haven't recovered so you just end up "overtrained" and become a wreck.

Safe for me to ignore....

You don't Vandal to stop by your temple?

Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62

No, weight lifting. Essentially, I had a desk job which of course meant I was sitting on my ass. Now, being a good boy, I get routine exams from the doc. The lipd panel came back OK, except for low HDL. Now, there's no drug to fix that. The only known thing that does work is getting to 90% HMAX. I suppose one could sprint/slow down/sprint in intervals because you can't keep going for long at 90% since you're way past your cardiovascular system's ability to get oxygen to working muscle. IOW, you "feel the burn" and pant like a dog on a hot July day. Now, multi joint weight exercises like bench press/squats/dead lifts will get you up to 90% real fast. I think the other factor is that I'm just better at weights than cardio. In a way, I think folks just self select which option without a gene scan. Mine just confirmed what I pretty much already knew from experience. The short story is that if I do weights, I can double my HDL ("good cholesterol". ) Weights also fixes other things like blood pressure, (not as good as when I chucked salt, but still...) and if you're middle aged, they'll increase your bone density so when ya get real old, you won't get bone fractures or collapsed vertebrae, etc. Now, Indie has the other piece for bone health. You need calcium/vitamin D/magnesium/vitamin K to the bones have what they need to mineralize when stimulated to do so. IIRC, you lean towards the cardio side. You might want to check out wind sprints.

YOu guys and your acronymns. You just assume we all speak your language.

HMAX, a biologically-inspired hierarchical model of object recognition,... (?) What does that have to do with weightlifting?

I knew HDL had something to do with cholersterol...

Indie? Don't know him....

Cardio? Do you mean running and endurance exercizes? I was suggesting that works for weight loss. But IIRC (see I can write them too, since I know you understand) weights increase metabolism, which helps with that, and yes it helps the bones. I myself do both, when my energy is up enough; and if anything I am better at weights than running. I make faster progress.

Obviously difference in music taste, been there, done that.

I know. People won't know if they don't listen with an open mind, though. That seems a rare thing here. The generally low level of taste evident here (yes, that's only my opinion) means people need more exposure to good music. But I can't force it on them. Even if I try, and get accused of doing it, I can't really do it.

Muscles? Uh, there I fail to see any reason to be jealous. He's in his physical prime, we're not. I remember lugging railroad ties from where my dad's garden was to make a border for mine at age 14. I couldn't pick 'em up and carry them, but dragging 'em over and placing them as a border was so easy then. I also had the stamina to stash a bunch of rocks in a backpack at age 14. My dad and one of my aunts/uncles had a cabin in NM. There was a place where you could get mineral at the top of a mountain. I managed to lug those things up and down steep slopes. My 5 mile paper route is probably what did that. I think if you lug 100+ papers in Oklahoma's crazy weather, you'll get fit and stay fit quite nicely. There's a reason why 20 somethings are draft eligible and we're not. It would take both of us a while to recover from microtraumas to muscles. In basic, your 20 something gets fit in a hurry because the microtrauma/recovery cycle is matched up. If you're 51, you haven't recovered so you just end up "overtrained" and become a wreck.

Excuses.....

You don't Vandal to stop by your temple?

Do I want him to? No, he's not welcome. But I can't keep him away if he insists.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

YOu guys and your acronymns. You just assume we all speak your language.

HMAX, a biologically-inspired hierarchical model of object recognition,... (?) What does that have to do with weightlifting?

It means heart rate max. That is your maximum heart rate.

Since the doc said I had to go off at 90% of HMAX, then weights were the way to go. It's also based on the fact I just suck at cardio. Squats for example will get you to 90% in no time. Since weights don't have heart rate monitors like treadmills, I just got a heart rate monitor and wear that thing.

I knew HDL had something to do with cholersterol...

Yes, it's the good kind that clears fats from your arteries. You want lots of that stuff.

Indie? Don't know him....

That's Jonhny Mac's nickname.

Cardio? Do you mean running and endurance exercizes? I was suggesting that works for weight loss. But IIRC (see I can write them too, since I know you understand) weights increase metabolism, which helps with that, and yes it helps the bones. I myself do both, when my energy is up enough; and if anything I am better at weights than running. I make faster progress.

Yes that is what cardio does. You burn fat/calories during the exercise. Now if you go flat out on just weights you'll burn calories as such.

1. The actual exercise period.
2. Replacement of stored animal starch (glycogen) in the muscles.
3. Big bonus. You'll burn a whole lot of calories repairing the mess you made lifting weights. Essentially, some muscle cells are trashed and have to die. White blood cells come in and send destruct signals to those. Next, a 2nd wave of white blood cells arrives to send signals help repair existing damaged muscle cells. Finally, since you've overloaded stuff, you burn even more calories to make more muscle tissue. Of course, there's also the calories the cardiovascular system has to burn up to flush out the lactic acid and get the stuff to the liver so the body can reprocess it back to glucose.

I know. People won't know if they don't listen with an open mind, though. That seems a rare thing here. The generally low level of taste evident here (yes, that's only my opinion) means people need more exposure to good music. But I can't force it on them. Even if I try, and get accused of doing it, I can't really do it.

Nope, you can't control people. Lots of folks do try that and the end result is nothing but frustration.

Excuses.....

For what?

Do I want him to? No, he's not welcome. But I can't keep him away if he insists.

I'd like it. Vandal's snark replies are a good read.

Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62

It means heart rate max. That is your maximum heart rate.

Since the doc said I had to go off at 90% of HMAX, then weights were the way to go. It's also based on the fact I just suck at cardio. Squats for example will get you to 90% in no time. Since weights don't have heart rate monitors like treadmills, I just got a heart rate monitor and wear that thing.

OK; might be better for you. I'm not sure about me.

That's Jonhny Mac's nickname.

And who is Jonhny Mac, and what does he have to do with this discussion?

For what?

Sounded like excuses about why you can't do as much as when you were younger. Unless you were a gifted athlete, I disagree. Of course, I can't make excuses for my own laziness either, and I am older than you.

I'd like it. Vandal's snark replies are a good read.

Well, like you say, tastes differ. I find JB's droll humor and vibrant personality a "good watch." (not even to mention his music). If anything, JB is proof that vandal is wrong; miracles exist

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

OK; might be better for you. I'm not sure about me.

And who is Jonhny Mac, and what does he have to do with this discussion?

He doesn't enter the "discussion". He was a tangent.

Sounded like excuses about why you can't do as much as when you were younger. Unless you were a gifted athlete, I disagree. Of course, I can't make excuses for my own laziness either, and I am older than you.

Uh, no. I have abundant scientific literature to back that assertion. Now, if you wish I can cite it.

Well, like you say, tastes differ. I find JB's droll humor and vibrant personality a "good watch." (not even to mention his music). If anything, JB is proof that vandal is wrong; miracles exist [/QUOTE]

Droll humor? OK. Here's one. Let's see how Eric makes out in boot camp. I think it would be quite funny watching Eric getting pugeled by assorted Millies. I dare say, a random assortment of Millies in boot camp would make Eric's colors black and blue.

Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62

He doesn't enter the "discussion". He was a tangent.

Fine; I just don't know who he is.

Uh, no. I have abundant scientific literature to back that assertion. Now, if you wish I can cite it.

Science doesn't have much to do with it. Give me "superstition" anyday (referring to Chas new thread). If you can imagine it, you can do it. Or at least do better at it. Age is just a number. Science? Excuses excuses. Science knows very little about human beings. Folks like vandal don't even admit that human beings exist; only human bodies.

Droll humor? OK. Here's one. Let's see how Eric makes out in boot camp. I think it would be quite funny watching Eric getting pugeled by assorted Millies. I dare say, a random assortment of Millies in boot camp would make Eric's colors black and blue.

There are "boot camps" for people who want to get fit. Open to all ages.

I like this sexy techno dance number from an artist I haven't heard from before, Maejor Ali. Good production on this "ear candy." And a role-reversal by Justin, as guest rapper. Now if they'd take out the second rapper, it would be better (well, I guess it's not that bad)

http://youtu.be/BiOmXeKyrxo

The deadest ringer for a young Justin Bieber yet, and no-one even says who he really is!

http://youtu.be/kUqwOybDR2Q

Reed Deming someone says.

Pretty good summer hit by Austin Mahone (one of the Bieberines)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PEG82Udb90

Mahone gets MTV award for "artist to watch" this year.

It is interesting to think about what's happening with this one:

http://youtu.be/kffacxfA7G4


The "likes" total keeps going up, and the views keep rolling along. It now has over 1,944,000 likes (as of Nov.29, 1,984,611). Rather than thinking like Wayne that they are artificially pumped up (though that's a possibility Bieber detractors can entertain), I think it may be because a lot of early fans of this song and of JB were young girls who could view the video, but did not have you tube accounts, which you need to sign up for individually in order to "like" a video (I remember I joined you tube in 2007 before I even had a computer fast enough to play a video, just so I could "like" the first Toccata in F video). Maybe many young girls didn't know how to get an account (in many cases we're talking girls under 10). But now that they are getting older, they are getting accounts, and can add to the "like" total for this song, which the Party Rock Anthem by LMFAO had once surpassed, but now Baby is ahead of it again. Also notable to me is the fact that there used to be more than twice as many "dislikes" as "likes" for this song, but now that's no longer the case; now there are more than half as many likes as dislikes. I see a demographic reason for that too, in that most of the dislikes were made by guys that were somewhat older and already had accounts. Now the dislike for Bieber is wearing off among jealous guys, but the appeal of this song and other Bieber songs keeps growing.

This song is especially appealing because of its sharp, bouyant, rhythmic melody lines, and Bieber's perfect performance, and not so much because of its trite puppy-love lyrics.

Baby is the most commented-on song at over 9 million, and Gangnam Style now has over 6 million comments; and also over 900,000 dislikes; still a ways to go to catch Baby's record of almost 3,700,000.

Interesting; the same thing has happened on his One Time video; his 3rd most viewed after Baby and Never Say Never. Likes and dislikes were almost even last time I checked, with likes slightly in the lead. It had the most dislikes among Bieber videos besides Baby. Now there are almost 200,000 more likes than dislikes. Again, it shows dislike of Bieber is wearing off, but he still is liked by many new fans, or fans newly-endowed with facebook accounts.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

It is interesting to think about what's happening with this one:

(I remember I joined you tube in 1987 before I even had a computer fast enough to play a video, just so I could "like" the first Toccata in F video).

You may have joined a music video service, but it wasn't youtube, youtube didn't exist until 2005.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

Now the dislike for Bieber is wearing off among jealous guys, but the appeal of this song and other Bieber songs keeps growing.

Jealous? You have to do something talented in order to cause jealousy. I'm no more jealous of JB than I am Michael Bolton's "How Can We Be Lovers If We Can't Be Friends" or any of his other syrupy saccharine pop. A big difference there is that Bolton was actually an adult and sang about some adult things that spoke to people above the age of 15 (and I have to admit some of his stuff is really catchy and I've found myself with a few of his songs stuck in my head when hearing them as a guilty pleasure and I'll deny this if anyone asks). If anyone is jealous of anything it's the fact that JB had produced copious amounts of excrement and has become famous for it while musicians that actually make good music often times struggle. What you have a difficult time with, Eric, is facing that that atrociously awful "Baby" song has so many down-votes is because it's a shitty song made by a shitty artist and that's why people have down-voted it.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

This song is especially appealing because of its sharp, bouyant, rhythmic melody lines, and Bieber's perfect performance, and not so much because of its trite puppy-love lyrics.

Well, you used one phrase above I would agree with in describing JB and his music.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

Baby is the most commented-on song at over 9 million, and Gangnam Style now has over 6 million comments; and also over 900,000 dislikes; still a ways to go to catch Baby's record of almost 3,700,000.

Both songs are awful.

j.p.

Originally Posted by JDFP

You may have joined a music video service, but it wasn't youtube, youtube didn't exist until 2005.

That's right, I misstyped. I meant 2007. Oooh, I can edit too!

Jealous? You have to do something talented in order to cause jealousy. I'm no more jealous of JB than I am Michael Bolton's "How Can We Be Lovers If We Can't Be Friends" or any of his other syrupy saccharine pop. A big difference there is that Bolton was actually an adult and sang about some adult things that spoke to people above the age of 15 (and I have to admit some of his stuff is really catchy and I've found myself with a few of his songs stuck in my head when hearing them as a guilty pleasure and I'll deny this if anyone asks). If anyone is jealous of anything it's the fact that JB had produced copious amounts of excrement and has become famous for it while musicians that actually make good music often times struggle. What you have a difficult time with, Eric, is facing that that atrociously awful "Baby" song has so many down-votes is because it's a shitty song made by a shitty artist and that's why people have down-voted it.

I'll try to face it, JP. No harm in trying. But somehow, I just can't. I like the song too much! You are jealous, man! So are all the others who voted down Baby, and the dislike vote is fading fast compared to the like vote. That's my story and I'm sticking with it I hate Michael Bolton, and his age and JB's makes no difference to me at all. I don't care what age a performer is. He could be 3 years old, and if his song is good, I will like it! And vote "like" as I did for Baby! Of course many good musicians struggle; as I said many times, that's the way of the world. How many folks like my beautiful organ pieces? Well, I struggle on. If I worked more on it though, I might go farther, no doubt about that. JB works harder than anyone.

Well, you used one phrase above I would agree with in describing JB and his music.

The point of course is that the words make little difference. Word-obsessed literalists who can't hear music will focus on the triteness of these lyrics and those of most other songs; those who love music will hear the music. Them who have ears to hear, let them hear!

Justin is an innovator, an artiste. His new softer style might be breaking new ground; it's different than other pop music. This is a nice one:

http://youtu.be/scfUHrm-PgA
"Recovery"

The innovation is more musical than lyrical, of course. I don't always like the sound of his voice as much as before, but it's clear he is seeking to explore some new territory, and the music is always good.

I guess he's on a Roller Coaster!

Another nice one too. New song every Monday. Some better than others.


Some pundits are now calling JB a "bad boy" of pop. Maybe because he has two new "bad" songs. But they're pretty good. What do you think, after listening to them? (not including the ads)

Bad Day
http://youtu.be/gotEw1JrByY

All Bad
http://youtu.be/7P8t0QcGImk

Most watched you tube videos of all time
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...YouTube_videos

Bieber's favorite things:
http://youtu.be/k8ACFMZyQU0

According to his Mom in an interview with JB and Ryan Seacrest, JB got suspended every year from school for a while, and whenever he behaved, the class would behave, and whenever he didn't, the class didn't. So his Mom told him, he is a leader!

But although he has a great chart for what he's doing, he would never get elected leader of the USA. His score is 5-13. Too many fights with reporters! Too pushy and reckless, and the White House is no place for pranksters! Plus, wavering popularity. He'd get a lot of "dislikes" on his videos!

Hey, Eric, I'd like your opinion on something:

Which version of "The Green Manalishi (With The Two-Pronged Crown)" is better?



or...

?

Originally Posted by Einzige

Hey, Eric, I'd like your opinion on something:

Which version of "The Green Manalishi (With The Two-Pronged Crown)" is better?

<snipped Fleetwood Mac version-vid>

or...

Originally Posted by Einzige

<snipped Judas Priest studio version-vid>

?

Ha! It's a trick question.


Prince

PS: The answer is neither.
(Oh, that's some Good Shit!)

Well, first, my answer is, let's wait for Justin Bieber's version

My answer is neither.

Actually, I liked the Judas Priest version a bit better. Is that out of character for me?

You made a point earlier that 2T "metal" is better than 3T "metal." In general of course, I strongly agree.

Now Einzige, fair is fair; your turn; did you like any of Bieber's new songs?

They aren't metal, and that's a good thing. Folky romantic soul electronica, or something like that.

Hell no, he ain't nothing but a stuck up city boy. He aint even no man. i mean, look at him. he looks like some mixture of some manly dyke and some femme homo with that stupid hairdo and the gay looking clothes that he wears. country boys are where its at, especially here in georgia. we have REAL men here, not these stuck up metros who don't even no the meaning of hard work or nothing and only care about stupid things like "careers" and the latest fashion or whatever. The city boys are afraid of being men and getting dirty for some reason. it's weird.

Originally Posted by whisperingodor

Hell no, he ain't nothing but a stuck up city boy. He aint even no man. i mean, look at him. he looks like some mixture of some manly dyke and some femme homo with that stupid hairdo and the gay looking clothes that he wears. country boys are where its at, especially here in georgia. we have REAL men here, not these stuck up metros who don't even no the meaning of hard work or nothing and only care about stupid things like "careers" and the latest fashion or whatever. The city boys are afraid of being men and getting dirty for some reason. it's weird.

City boys, country boys; what difference does it make? The only thing worth considering about JB or any other artist is his or her music. Anything else is irrelevant.

What is revealing is what he says in the video I posted above; that what he most likes to do is go into the studio every day and engage his passion for music. That sounds like a real artist to me who knows what he's about. And that's a "real man" in my book too. He knows what he's doing and what he's about. And I like what he comes up with. That's my opinion. You may not agree, and probably won't; but you have said nothing here about his music at all.

Defining what a real man is seems stupid to me, but maybe you're just having some fun, or just kidding.

Originally Posted by Einzige

?

Yes. I cast my vote for the above.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

City boys, country boys; what difference does it make? The only thing worth considering about JB or any other artist is his or her music. Anything else is irrelevant.

Whisperingodor is a troll, Eric. Doesn't mean JB's music is good, but responding to this individual will just encourage further trollishness.

Originally Posted by whisperingodor

Hell no, he ain't nothing but a stuck up city boy. He aint even no man. i mean, look at him. he looks like some mixture of some manly dyke and some femme homo with that stupid hairdo and the gay looking clothes that he wears. country boys are where its at, especially here in georgia. we have REAL men here, not these stuck up metros who don't even no the meaning of hard work or nothing and only care about stupid things like "careers" and the latest fashion or whatever. The city boys are afraid of being men and getting dirty for some reason. it's weird.

Originally Posted by sbrombacher

Whisperingodor is a troll, Eric. Doesn't mean JB's music is good, but responding to this individual will just encourage further trollishness.

A quick check.

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Uh yup. I now have 2 folks on my ignore list. Trolls always, always produce content with poor signal to noise ratio numbers.

yeah, maybe he's just trolling. Just out for an evening troll.

Justin Bieber Strips Down His Sound on 'Change Me': Listen
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By Jason Lipshutz, New York | December 02, 2013 11:50 AM EST

Justin Bieber Strips Down His Sound on 'Change Me': Listen





After funking things up on last week's 'Music Mondays' release, "Roller Coaster," Justin Bieber has thrown out a harrowing piano ballad as the penultimate song in his weekly series.

"Maybe you could be the light/That opens up my eyes/Make all my wrongs right/Change me, change me," Bieber murmurs as a lush piano movement scoops up his voice. Weeks after declaring that he wasn't "All Bad," Bieber's latest journal entry is again pleading for "understanding and patience" as he feels his romance slipping away, but this time, he's admitting that he needs to change to make it work.

"Change Me" marks the ninth song in Bieber's 10-week 'Music Mondays,' which concludes next week and will be punctuated with the Dec. 25 release of his 3D "Believe" movie. Before the song hit iTunes at midnight on Monday (Dec. 2), Bieber described the ballad as "very personal" on Twitter.

Bieber's long-running Believe tour currently has him in Australia, and will conclude on Sunday night after running for over 14 months.


Read more at http://www.billboard.com/articles/co...YLYLQtbl3pL.99

No review from me yet--- Eric

Well, I thought it was another fine song from JB. Predictable review from me, I know. His voice and styling still needs to mature into the man's voice it is becoming, but it is fine and expressive, the words are engaging, and the melody is not trite and musty/dingy like the current songs JDFP likes, but beautiful and original. I don't know, but it's all but certain these songs are JB's own creations.

New video of All That Matters
http://youtu.be/JC2yu2a9sHk