I think I can return to not caring about him. Made my point.

Keith Richards is not impressed.

Well, all this stuff certainly gives all the Bieber haters lots of ammunition!

Well, he should know better..........

On the incident that bothers Rags, things don't add up. It was reported that he and his Dad were smoking pot on his private jet and would not heed a "flight attendant" to stop (flight attendant on a private jet?.. what?), but here

http://www.fuse.tv/2014/02/justin-bi...es-in-egg-bust

it says this:

Also, late yesterday, the pop star's plane was detained and searched by drug-sniffing dogs at Teterboro Airport in New Jersey when U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers said they detected the odor, CNN reports. Bieber was interviewed for several hours before being cleared to enter the United States after they concluded that no drugs or illegal substances were found.

I'm not sure what's going on.

It looks like he has 4 different cases that could lead to charges, plus a deportation petition on the White House website.

Michelle Obama advises Justin's Mom to keep him close:

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertain...icle-1.1608513

Remember I wrote this about his horoscope:

Pluto in Scorpio rising speaks for itself as a symbol of enormous personal power and energy. Few entertainers work harder and longer. Saturn, Mars and Mercury all form potent squares to Pluto as well, confirming this indication, as well as signalling some tendency to be brash or "brattish" and to get involved in fights and violence, for which he should be on guard. Sun conjunct Saturn shows obstacles overcome, especially the problem of an absent father, about which he wrote one of his first songs.

http://www.fourthturning.com/forum/s...586#post463586

I remember when I was about his age, Saturn passed into my 12th house (prison, retreats, etc.), and I spent a night in jail; so far my only one (not having engaged in civil disobedience, which might have earned me some respect from Deb). I was drugged out. Saturn passing through the Bieb's 12th house now, along with Neptune in his sign, both of which (Neptune and Pisces) are 12th house rulers, could indicate his current troubles. There are other indicators too (like stationary Mars on his Moon). When Saturn enters his first house next year, it would be an opportunity to organize and discipline himself better.

I can see you've spent a lot of time analyzing this.

Originally Posted by sbrombacher

I can see you've spent a lot of time analyzing this.

It doesn't take much time now (with regard to JB); I know the astrological stuff down cold.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

It doesn't take much time now (with regard to JB); I know the astrological stuff down cold.

He's a Pisces. This is the sign of fish. Thusly, anyone can sort this out.

Fish = (stinky, gullble bacause sea gulls eat them and one can catch them by enticing them with simple bait with hook attached]

For the sake of equal time

Bulls = [Jealous and possessive,Resentful and inflexibly,Self-indulgent and greedy,argumentative, querulous bores]

Just as Justin Bieber seems to be in the midst of a superstar meltdown, so is his waxwork figure at Madame Tussauds, according to the New York Post.

The Bieber likeness on display at Tussauds New York on West 42nd Street has been groped, fondled and grabbed by so many excited fans that exhibit organizers have had to withdraw his dummy from display.

One source said of the Bieber figure, which was installed in his younger, more innocent days, “With no ropes or barriers to stop them, thousands of fans have had their photographs taken with him since then — but it has taken its toll.”

Madame Tussauds New York says the figure has been damaged over the years, and despite regular maintenance, “it no longer does justice either to the star or to the attraction,” and so it has reluctantly decided to remove it.

Madame Tussauds general manager, Bret Pidgeon, acknowledged, “This is disappointing, but hopefully we can welcome a new ‘grown-up’ Justin back to the attraction in the near future.”

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...d-from-museum/

Justin Bieber lyrics, thus far in the singer’s career, are definitely meant to speak to his young and largely female fanbase. His music is filled with easy to remember A-B-A-B rhyme schemes and phrases that make the Beliebers shriek, since they sound like something he could would sing to them.

But we’ve gotta hand it to him. Justin Bieber does manage to sneak some clever turns of phrase in his lyrics, elevating them beyond standard issue teen idol “stuff.” Plus, how many artists use the word “fondue” in their lyrics? He get’s an A+ for having the guts to do so.

The Biebs is still in the beginning of his career, but he’s still dropped plenty of memorable lyrical declarations, celebrating her smile; vocalizing his desire to be her boyfriend; expressing concern about the world’s problems; and denying that he impregnated someone! He even muses about his recently ended relationship with Selena Gomez. Oh, and he never says never.

Songs are therapy for the Biebs and they are there as the conduit which connects him and Beliebers. In celebration of his word swag (swag, swag), check out our list of the Top 10 Justin Bieber Lyrics.


Read More: Top 10 Justin Bieber Lyrics | http://popcrush.com/justin-bieber-ly...ckback=tsmclip


"For you, I would have done whatever / And I just cant believe we ain't together / And I wanna play it cool, but I'm losin' you / I'll buy you anything, I'll buy you any ring / And I'm in pieces, baby fix me / And just shake me 'til you wake me from this bad dream."
- 'Baby' (From the Album 'My World 2.0') | See the Full Lyrics



"Swag swag swag, on you / Chillin' by the fire while we eatin' fondue / I dunno about me but I know about you / So say hello to falsetto in three, two, swag / I'd like to be everything you want / Hey girl, let me talk to you / If I was your boyfriend, I'd never let you go / Keep you on my arm girl, you'd never be alone / I can be a gentleman, anything you want / If I was your boyfriend, I'd never let you go."
- 'Boyfriend' (From the Album 'Believe') | See the Full Lyrics



"How many 'I told yous' and start overs and shoulders / Have you cried on before? / How many promises, be honest girl / How many tears you let hit the floor? /How many bags you packed, just to take him back / Tell me that how many either ors, but no more / If you let me inside of your inside your world / There'll be one less lonely girl."
- 'One Less Lonely Girl' (From the 'My World' EP) | See the Full Lyrics



"Well never do I ever do I ever want this to phase me / Well never do I ever do I want this thing to make me / 'Cause the fame and the money and the girls will drive you crazy / And all the 'He said, she said,' I'm thinking maybe / Just put on my... / 'Cause I put on my raincoat / My yellow raincoat / Baby, it's keeping me dry / I put on my raincoat, my yellow raincoat / You'll know exactly why."
- 'Yellow Raincoat' (From the 'Believe Acoustic' EP) | See the Full Lyrics



"Girl, we're under pressure / Seven billion people in the world trying to fit in / Keep it together / Smile on your face even though your heart is frowning / But hey now, you know, girl / We both know it's a cruel world / But I will take my chances / As long as you love me / We could be starving / We could be homeless / We could be broke/ As long as you love me / I'll be your platinum / I'll be your silver / I'll be your gold.
- 'As Long as You Love Me' (From the Album 'Believe') | See the Full Lyrics



"I close my eyes and pray for the brokenhearted / I pray for the life not started / I pray for all the ones not breathing / I pray for all the souls in need / I pray, can you give 'em one today? / I just can't sleep tonight / Can someone tell me how to make a change? / I close my eyes and I can see a better day / I close my eyes and pray."
- 'Pray' (From the Album 'My Worlds: The Collection' | See the Full Lyrics



"If I could just die in your arms / I wouldn't mind / 'Cause every time you touch me / I just die in your arms / Oh it feels so right / So baby, baby, please don't stop, girl / Oh baby, I know lovin' you ain't easy / But it sure is worth a try."
- 'Die in Your Arms' (From the Album 'Believe') | See the Full Lyrics



"With you there's no in between, I'm all in / 'Cause my cards are on the table / And I'm willing and I'm able / But I fold to your wish 'cause it's my command / Hey, hey, hey / You smile, I smile."
- 'U Smile' (From the Album 'My World 2.0') | See the Full Lyrics



"See I never thought that I could walk through fire / I never thought that I could take the burn / I never had the strength to take it higher / Until I reached the point of no return / And there's just no turning back / When your heart's under attack / Gonna give everything I have / It's my destiny / I will never say never / I will fight 'til forever / To make it right."
- 'Never Say Never' (From 'The Karate Kid') | See the Full Lyrics



"Maria, why you wanna play me like that? / She ain't my baby, she ain't my girl / But she talking in and she needs to quit it / 'Cause I never hit it, so I know she's not mine / That ain't my baby, that ain't my girl / Cause she's wildin' out, what she talking about? / Let me tell you now this girl she's not mine / She ain't my baby, she ain't my girl."
- 'Maria' (From the Album 'Believe') | See the Full Lyrics


Read More: Top 10 Justin Bieber Lyrics | http://popcrush.com/justin-bieber-ly...ckback=tsmclip

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

Just as Justin Bieber seems to be in the midst of a superstar meltdown, so is his waxwork figure at Madame Tussauds, according to the New York Post.

The Bieber likeness on display at Tussauds New York on West 42nd Street has been groped, fondled and grabbed by so many excited fans that exhibit organizers have had to withdraw his dummy from display.

Why settle for a likeness or simulacra when the real thing is a dummy ?

One source said of the Bieber figure, which was installed in his younger, more innocent days, “With no ropes or barriers to stop them, thousands of fans have had their photographs taken with him since then — but it has taken its toll.”

Madame Tussauds New York says the figure has been damaged over the years, and despite regular maintenance, “it no longer does justice either to the star or to the attraction,” and so it has reluctantly decided to remove it.

Stupid museum people. A practical Taurus solution to this problem is to build said statue from BULLshit!
That shall preclude fondling and groping and leave the statue in pristine contidtion.

Madame Tussauds general manager, Bret Pidgeon, acknowledged, “This is disappointing, but hopefully we can welcome a new ‘grown-up’ Justin back to the attraction in the near future.”

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...d-from-museum/

Pigeon or the French varient, Pidgeon, yes quite apropos.



I'm sure JB's statue is someplace here.

Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62

Why settle for a likeness or simulacra when the real thing is a dummy ?

Well, he's acting like one now, but you can't cage the wild guy in a museum!

Stupid museum people. A practical Taurus solution to this problem is to build said statue from BULLshit!
That shall preclude fondling and groping and leave the statue in pristine condition.

Well, but that suggestion is also a load of.....

Pigeon or the French varient, Pidgeon, yes quite apropos.



I'm sure JB's statue is someplace here.

One less lonely bird!

I hereby dedicate the video from my favorite 4T band to JB




The way JB's acting, I think the 2 bands should do a world tour together.

Airbourne makes no bones about being badass party animals.

Authenticity rocks!.

Originally Posted by Eric

Well, he's acting like one now, but you can't cage the wild guy in a museum!

Perfect! The JB/Airbourne Runnin' Wild Tour of 2014.

I totally predicted the superstar meltdown years ago, it seems inevitable now. The kid could have gracefully faded away like the Jonas brothers or something, but instead he appears to be taking the Miley Cyrus, Lindsey Lohan route. Best of luck to him, I just don't see this as a good path to go down. Being a rich and famous celebrity is a tough job!

I dedicate this video to JB's in flight antics.

Still makin' good stuff in the midst of troubles, temper and dorky behavior.....

http://youtu.be/zu2CpteD7Jk

http://youtu.be/RUqQUUxHfNY (guest rap has an f word tho) sounds very innovative to me, this one; no-one does anything like this I don't think....

It's remarkable, unbeliebable, that he the Biebs makes a greater number of good songs than anyone since the mid-70s at least, and a greater proportion of good songs to not-so-good than perhaps, anyone........????

I feel like giving him advice or ideas on how to deal with his s**t, but he'd probably just say f**k you.......

Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62

I dedicate this video to JB's in flight antics.

I'm glad the plane didn't crash....

Not a bad song, despite the ridiculous singing, the song structure and guitar work does come through; maybe this stuff might get better in the 4T? Learn to sing tho! Maybe JB can give them some singing lessons!

So far JB wants to be a black hip-hopper rather than a metal rocker, but you never know; he's still only 19; I hope he doesn't waste his life with his antics.

I could see JB going in the opposite direction from MJ.... white to black, instead of black to white.....

Your fellow expressive INTP....

Oh, what the hell, I'll make this my Airbourne shrine thread.


Airbourne Live At Rock Am Ring 2013 (HD)Jamming down during a thunderstorm. Awesome.







PS

Rags won $5 4 table tourney on Bovada for $55.80

You can be in my shrine, if I can be in yours--- Bob Dylan


(but I won't listen to too many Airbourne songs if you don't listen to the JB ones)

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

You can be in my shrine, if I can be in yours--- Bob Dylan

A shared shrine for all awesome 4T bands, A-OK on this end.

(but I won't listen to too many Airbourne songs if you don't listen to the JB ones)

Yes, I know Mr. INTP.

The penultimate metal fest, yearly is Wacken

Airbourne made its first appearance in 2008, the year the 4T started.




Other years of appearances are
2009
2011

Originally Posted by wiki

Wacken Open Air 2014 will be held from Thursday, 31 July to Saturday, 2 August. On the 6th of August 2013, it was announced that it was already sold out, in less than 48 hours.

Damn, quite popular venue.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

You can be in my shrine, if I can be in yours--- Bob Dylan


(but I won't listen to too many Airbourne songs if you don't listen to the JB ones)

What Dylan song was the above line from? I am not too familiar with JB, but do any of you feel that he could be this era's equivalent of what Elvis was in his time? I asked this on another thread as well.

Originally Posted by Brian Beecher

What Dylan song was the above line from?

I paraphrased his line from "Talking World War Three Blues," I believe it was, from Freewheeling (I believe).
yes here tis
http://youtu.be/_rRxwMyOZX8

I am not too familiar with JB, but do any of you feel that he could be this era's equivalent of what Elvis was in his time? I asked this on another thread as well.

Well, I think my point in this thread is to offer the chance for people to listen to his music, and comment on it; or not to listen and comment on it. Most people here besides me only do the latter. Most people here are not even willing to listen; or if they do, I think their prejudice prevents them from really hearing it. So take a listen; most of his songs are posted.

As I said umteem times, I took a listen with an open mind, not expecting to like his music; but I did, which surprised the hell out of me. It's been an interesting adventure.

He was the Elvis of his time for a couple of years, but whether he can continue after his current problems, I don't know. But he is still putting out good songs; something that Elvis rarely did.

In general though, pop music and media is more diverse now, and millies don't focus on one or two stars as they did in Elvis' day. So JB has many competitors for the title of Elvis of his time. And there are many more girl pop stars, who in fact seem to predominate (which also means there are fewer guy pop stars to compete with JB as male stars at least).

The record company exec who hired Bieber did compare him to Elvis, even before his full popularity emerged.

http://youtu.be/LVGN1cROnf8 Flatline

http://youtu.be/M2A0UhghH8E Backpack, ft. Lil Wayne

Some of his latest songs are downright psycho-active. Lots of rich sounds in his palette. It sounds almost like the sunshine psych pop of the late sixties. Good to relax and trip out by.

Sometimes however, his singing may not appeal to skeptics; the bad boy doesn't always come across as well as the good boy did. He's always been a young "soul singer" imitating Michael Jackson, but this is more overt now. But to my ears, it's still mostly good. And you can't claim he has a voice that is too high now. It's a lot lower than Jackson's ever was.

Bieber is funny...

From the Millies @ work to Rags today, a new turn on.

Another turn on. Taking Millies on motor routes is a "trip".