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Post#51 at 08-20-2012 04:28 PM by Tussilago [at Gothenburg, Sweden joined Jan 2010 #posts 1,500]
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Quote Originally Posted by John J. Xenakis View Post
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**** Credibly charged serial rapist Julian Assange gains worldwide support as U.S. victim
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Alleged serial rapist Jullian Assange pokes his head out of London's Ecuador
embassy on Sunday to give a speech. If he leaves the embassy, he gets arrested. (AP)


Once again, we're watching the spectacle of feminist and left-wing
political groups supporting an alleged serial rapist, Julian Assange,
as he uses anti-U.S. sentiments to escape being questioned in Sweden
over credible charges that he raped two women.

Absolutely do not extradite Julian Assange to Sweden! This absurd country has the world's harshest rape laws and due process is a sham. All odds in a trial would be stacked against him. Assange essentially did nothing to those feminist witches, and everyone knows it, but there is no way to challenge multicultural feminist dogma in this country. Sweden also has a settlement with the United States to extradite "terrorist" suspects and similar and the spineless politicians won't have of the guts to protect him in face of American demands. The CIA would practically be waiting on Arlanda Airport to bring the guy home for electric chair treatment.

To understand present day Sweden in these matters this might be a place to start:
http://www.amazon.com/Brief-History-.../dp/B0087AZNCK
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So both of you are saying that both women lied about being raped?







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Hi, Tim, it's been a while. I hope you're doing well.







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21-Aug-12 World View -- Europeans debate next desperate step to try to save the euro

*** 21-Aug-12 World View -- Europeans debate next desperate step to try to save the euro

This morning's key headlines from GenerationalDynamics.com

  • PKK terrorists kill 8 in huge blast in Turkey near Syrian border
  • Europeans debate next desperate step to try to save the euro
  • U.S. banks double investments in Treasuries as deposits explode


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**** PKK terrorists kill 8 in huge blast in Turkey near Syrian border
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Car bomb explosion in Turkey (Hurriyet)

At least 8 people have been killed and 60 injured in a huge bomb blast
in Turkey, near the border with Syria. No one has claimed
responsibility, but various reports blame the Kurdistan Workers' Party
(PKK), a separatist terrorist group within the Kurdish community
demanding an independent state of Kurdistan. Turkey has a long
standing problem with the PKK, who have been based in the mountains of
northern Iraq and have been conducting terrorist attacks throughout
Turkey. But the major fallout from the Syrian crisis, besides the
huge flood of refugees pouring into Turkey, is that there's a large
community of Kurds living in a region of northeastern Syria that's no
longer governable from Damascus because of the conflict. So now the
Kurds in Syria, along with the Kurds in Iraq and in southeastern
Turkey itself, are agitating for that entire region to become an
independent Kurdistan. Zaman (Istanbul) and Hurriyet (Ankara)

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**** Europeans debate next desperate step to try to save the euro
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Over the weekend, the German magazine Der Spiegel said that it "learned"
that the European Central Bank (ECB) was going to go on a massive money-printing
program to purchase bonds issued by Spain and Italy:

"Interest rates on Spanish sovereign bonds have been
rising to dangerous levels in recent weeks. Now, SPIEGEL has
learned that the European Central Bank plans to use a new
instrument to stop the trend: The bank is considering setting
yield targets on the bonds of euro-zone countries. Should interest
rates exceed those levels, the ECB would intervene by buying up
their debt."
The effect of this plan would be to permit Spain and Italy to borrow
unlimited amounts of money from the ECB to fund all their spending
programs without any restrictions whatsoever. First thing Monday
morning, the head of the Bundesbank (Germany's central bank) said,
"The Bundesbank holds to the opinion that government bond purchases by
the Eurosystem are to be seen critically and entail significant
stability risks," adding that the new program "could be unlimited." A
statement from the ECB itself added that it’s "misleading to report on
decisions which have not yet been taken." Finally, Ambrose
Evans-Pritchard of The Telegraph confirmed that Spiegel's original
report was correct, and not only is a "game changer" of this type
being planned, but it has the support of German Chancellor Angela
Merkel, despite the fierce opposition of the Bundesbank.

I quoted all these statements to illustrate the total level of chaos
that Europe is in. The bond-buying program is no trivial thing. It
would explode public debt from trillions of euros to tens of trillions
of euros and send the markets into chaos. The only alternative to
this totally desperate measure that the Europeans are talking about is
to cut Greece out of the eurozone. But either of these two
alternatives would have disastrous consequences for Europe and the
world. As I've been saying for over two years, generational theory
says that there DOES NOT EXIST any solution to Greece's debt problem
or to the euro debt crisis in general. If I were to guess which of
these two alternatives will be chosen, it will have to be the
bond-buying program, because that kicks the can down the road a little
longer. Der Spiegel and Bloomberg and The Telegraph (London)

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**** U.S. banks double investments in Treasuries as deposits explode
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Generational trends are also in full gear in the United States where
households are becoming increasingly thrifty, depositing their money
in bank savings accounts instead of going out and spending it. This
has caused bank deposits to explode, leaving banks with a lot of
excess cash on hand. But banks are also following the same
generational trends as in the 1930s and are reluctant to take the risk
of lending the money out to business owners. Instead, banks have
already bout $136.4 billion in Treasury and government agency debt,
more than double the $62.6 billion in ALL of 2011. Bloomberg


KEYS: Generational Dynamics, Turkey, Kurdistan Workers' Party, PKK,
Syria, ECB, Bundesbank, Angela Merkel, Germany,
Greece, Italy, Spain

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Quote Originally Posted by John J. Xenakis View Post
So both of you are saying that both women lied about being raped?
Yes, I do. It happens quite frequently, actually. Sexual intercourse does not equate rape. (Unless you're in Sweden, that is.)

Both women knew Assange and he was sleeping with both, and they didn't like that.
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Post#56 at 08-21-2012 12:48 PM by The Grey Badger [at Albuquerque, NM joined Sep 2001 #posts 8,876]
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Quote Originally Posted by John J. Xenakis View Post
So both of you are saying that both women lied about being raped?
I note that the minute someone does something that seriously displeases or embarrasses the government but the perp can't be charged with something and thrown into Leavenworth for it, a sexual offense charge tends to follow pretty promptly. Then we get all these media debates revolving around the same three points that are being brought up on this thread.

If Assange is guilty, he should do time. The question is, was he guilty? If not, is the problem with the women? Or was the charge trumped up as above?

Of course, he may simply have been caught doing something he's gotten away with for years until the spotlight turned on him. We've seen a lot of that, too.
How to spot a shill, by John Michael Greer: "What you watch for is (a) a brand new commenter who (b) has nothing to say about the topic under discussion but (c) trots out a smoothly written opinion piece that (d) hits all the standard talking points currently being used by a specific political or corporate interest, while (e) avoiding any other points anyone else has made on that subject."

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22-Aug-12 World View -- Death of Ethiopia's prime minister could affect Mideast secur

*** 22-Aug-12 World View -- Death of Ethiopia's prime minister could affect Mideast security

This morning's key headlines from GenerationalDynamics.com

  • Death of Ethiopia's prime minister could affect Mideast security
  • Jewish Israeli youths lynch Palestinians in Jerusalem as hundreds watched
  • Armenian terrorist group threatens Turkey over Syria


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**** Death of Ethiopia's prime minister could affect Mideast security
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Meles Zenawi Asres

For years, a lynchpin in the fight against al-Qaeda affiliates in the
horn of Africa, especially Somalia, was Meles Zenawi Asres, the Prime
Minister of Ethiopia, and a close American ally. His death could
weaken the fight against terrorist militants in the region. However,
Deputy Prime Minister Hailemariam Desalegn, who will become acting
prime minister, says that nothing will change, and that Ethiopia will
continue to be a leader in the fight against Islamist militancy.
LA Times

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**** Jewish Israeli youths lynch Palestinians in Jerusalem as hundreds watched
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I've reported on several occasions
about so-call "price tag" attacks by Jewish settlers on Palestinians
in the West Bank. The phrase "price tag" is frequently used by
far-right Israeli settlers to denote revenge attacks against
Palestinians or IDF soldiers in response to moves by the Israeli
government to evacuate illegal West Bank outposts, or as retribution
for attacks by Palestinians. However, the attempted lynching of four
Arab youths by dozens of Jewish teens on Friday is a substantially
more serious matter, and indicates that the mutual xenophobia between
Jews and Arabs is becoming increasingly critical. According to one
suspect's brother, it was the four Arab youths who had provoked
passersby and "made passes at Jewish girls." He added: "Why should an
Arab make passes at my sister? They shouldn't be here, it's our
area. For what other reason would they come here if not to make passes
at Jewish girls?" This was not an attack by settlers, but it's part
of the overall framework of increased violence against Paletinians by
a small fringe of Israelis. According to an analysis, the number of
"price tag" attacks by Israeli settlers has been increasing because
the attacks have been achieving their goals. The Benjamin Netanyahu
government would like to close down some West Bank settlements, but
the "price tag" attacks make it much more difficult to do so.
Generational Dynamics predicts that there will be a new Mideast
war, re-fighting the war between Jews and Arabs that followed the
1948 partitioning of Palestine and creation of the state of Israel.
Haaretz and Foreign Affairs

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**** Armenian terrorist group threatens Turkey over Syria
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The Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia (ASALA),
a group that conducted numerous terrorist murders during the
1970s-80s, but has been mostly inactive since 1985, is now
threatening Turkey because of its policy in Syria:

"The aggressive policy against Iraq's integrity, the
direct military intervention in the bloody crisis of Syria, the
continuation for more than 20 years of the blockade imposed on
Armenia, the conspiratorial and double-faced policy towards Iran,
the non-stopping threats against the territorial integrity of
Greece and Cyprus and the augmenting coercive measures against the
Kurdish people have transformed Turkey into a center of danger for
the stability of the region. The conspiratorial and hostile
policy of the Turkish state against the neighboring countries
reached its peak and has led Turkey in a total isolation in the
whole region."
Like the Russians, Armenians are historic enemies of Turkey. Russians
and Armenians are Orthodox Christians, while Turks are Sunni Muslims.
The last major crisis war in the region was the World War I time
frame, while the previous one was the Crimean War of the 1850s. So
these countries are all well into generational Crisis eras, and highly
susceptible to all out war. Zaman (Istanbul)

KEYS: Generational Dynamics, Ethiopia, Meles Zenawi Asres,
Somalia, Horn of Afica, Hailemariam Desalegn,
Israel, Price Tag, West Bank, Armenia, Turkey, ASALA,
Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia,
Russia

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Quote Originally Posted by The Grey Badger View Post
I note that the minute someone does something that seriously displeases or embarrasses the government but the perp can't be charged with something and thrown into Leavenworth for it, a sexual offense charge tends to follow pretty promptly. Then we get all these media debates revolving around the same three points that are being brought up on this thread.

If Assange is guilty, he should do time. The question is, was he guilty? If not, is the problem with the women? Or was the charge trumped up as above?

Of course, he may simply have been caught doing something he's gotten away with for years until the spotlight turned on him. We've seen a lot of that, too.
Women do lie about rape, but in this case I would think it's unlikely that BOTH women would lie.







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Quote Originally Posted by John J. Xenakis View Post
Women do lie about rape, but in this case I would think it's unlikely that BOTH women would lie.
As fas as I know, it took about a week before the two women went to the police. Plenty of time to come to mutual terms, supporting each other over a cup of tea, and turn a sense of being mentally abused and lied to into an allegation of rape.
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Quote Originally Posted by The Grey Badger View Post
I note that the minute someone does something that seriously displeases or embarrasses the government but the perp can't be charged with something and thrown into Leavenworth for it, a sexual offense charge tends to follow pretty promptly. Then we get all these media debates revolving around the same three points that are being brought up on this thread.

If Assange is guilty, he should do time. The question is, was he guilty? If not, is the problem with the women? Or was the charge trumped up as above?

Of course, he may simply have been caught doing something he's gotten away with for years until the spotlight turned on him. We've seen a lot of that, too.
A bit dated now, but this weirdo is pretty much to the point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDaqzLkttmI
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Quote Originally Posted by Tussilago View Post
> As fas as I know, it took about a week before the two women went
> to the police. Plenty of time to come to mutual terms, supporting
> each other over a cup of tea, and turn a sense of being mentally
> abused and lied to into an allegation of rape.
What you're describing here is a very serious crime, much more serious
than rape. I could believe that a vengeful woman would lie about
rape, but I wouldn't think that TWO women would BOTH be willing to
risk jail terms after a discussion over tea. Nor would I think that
the Swedish prosecutor would not detect this criminal conspiracy under
close questioning, or that he would risk his own reputation by going
along with the conspiracy.







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Quote Originally Posted by John J. Xenakis View Post
What you're describing here is a very serious crime, much more serious
than rape. I could believe that a vengeful woman would lie about
rape, but I wouldn't think that TWO women would BOTH be willing to
risk jail terms after a discussion over tea. Nor would I think that
the Swedish prosecutor would not detect this criminal conspiracy under
close questioning, or that he would risk his own reputation by going
along with the conspiracy.
As I understand it, in Sweden there is very little risk to the lady false-accuser. Tuss could speak to that better than me.

And as to the prosecutor... originally they did let the accusations go as not founded enough to be worth pursuing. But that office works for a politician, and politicians apply their own pressure. Surely you're not naive enough to fail to see that?
"Qu'est-ce que c'est que cela, la loi ? On peut donc être dehors. Je ne comprends pas. Quant à moi, suis-je dans la loi ? suis-je hors la loi ? Je n'en sais rien. Mourir de faim, est-ce être dans la loi ?" -- Tellmarch

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23-Aug-12 World View -- Greece asks for 'Air to Breathe' in austerity requirements

*** 23-Aug-12 World View -- Greece asks for 'Air to Breathe' in austerity requirements

This morning's key headlines from GenerationalDynamics.com

  • Greece asks for 'Air to Breathe' in austerity requirements
  • Ethnic Bloodbath in Kenya kills 62 people, mostly women and children
  • France's Hollande breaks campaign promise, ejects Roma Gypsies


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**** Greece asks for 'Air to Breathe' in austerity requirements
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Antonis Samaras and Jean-Claude Juncker embrace in Athens (Kathimerini)

Greece's Prime Minister Antonis Samaras said in an interview on
Wednesday that Greece didn't want any money, but just wanted a little
more time to meet its commitments:

"Let me be very clear: we are not asking for extra
money. We stand by our commitments and the implementation of all
requirements. But we must encourage growth, because that reduces
the financing gaps.

"All we want is a little 'air to breathe' to get the economy going
and increase state income. More time does not automatically mean
more money."
Greece plans to ask for a two-year extension on meeting its
austerity commitments, and the problem for him is that this WILL
mean more money -- an extra 20 billion euros because Greece won't
be reducing its debt fast enough.

Eurogroup finance chairman Jean-Claude Juncker met with Samaras
in Athens on Wednesday, and said that it was the speculators' fault,
not Greece's fault, that Greece was in trouble:

"I am coming to Greece as a friend. ...

The truth is Greece is suffering from a credibility crisis. The
first step should be to show Greece is taking fiscal consolidation
seriously.

As far as the immediate future is concerned, the ball is in the
Greek court. In fact this is the last chance and Greeks have to
know this."
The Juncker statement was very cordial, but it more or less
contradicted Samaras' statement. "Air to breathe" would mean a
two-year delay in meeting its commitments, and that request would be
taken by the Germans as meaning that Greece is not "taking fiscal
consolidation seriously." Samaras will be visiting Paris on Friday
and Berlin on Saturday to beg. AP and Kathimerini

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**** Ethnic Bloodbath in Kenya kills 62 people, mostly women and children
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At least 62 people, including 11 children and women, were massacred
Tuesday night in an ethnic bloodbath in southeastern Kenya. Visitors
described scenes as similar to mass murders of the Great Lakes region,
with mutilated bodies of children and women, old and young, strewn
across homesteads, their blood caked on the ground, and flies flying
all over. Nominally, this was a conflict of a type that occurs in all
countries, between farmers who plant crops and fence off their land
and pastoralists (cattle herders) who want their cattle to graze
freely. In the 1800s, this was a battle in the United States, as
depicted in the 1941 Rodgers and Hammerstein Broadway musical,
"Oklahoma!", which contains the song, "Oh, the farmer and the cowboy
should be friends!"

But in Kenya, the conflict has taken on a much deadlier dimension.
The ethnic Pokomo tribe of farmers attacked the pastoralist Ormas,
burning down entire villages, killing people at random, as well as the
cattle. This was a revenge attack for a small attack ten days ago,
when the Orma herdsmen attacked Pokomo villagers. This has revived
fears of an all-out tribal war in Kenya, the same fears that arose
in December 2007, when widespread ethnic violence broke out across
the country, following an election.

From the point of view of Generational Dynamics, Kenya's last
generational crisis war was the Mau-Mau Rebellion that climaxed in
1956. When the 2007 uprising occurred, I wrote
that only 51 years had passed, and so a new crisis
war at that time was possible, but very unlikely. As each year goes
by, and there are fewer and fewer people left from the generations
that survived the previous crisis war, a new crisis war becomes more
likely. Today we're at the 55 year point, so a new crisis war is more
possible today than in 2008. An analysis of hundreds of previous
crisis wars in history reveals that a plurality of them occur at the
58 year point. Standard Media (Kenya)

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**** France's Hollande breaks campaign promise, ejects Roma Gypsies
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France's Socialist president François Hollande promised, during the
election campaign, to stop the policy of ejecting Roma Gypsies from
illegal, squalid camps in France that former president Nicolas Sarkozy
had followed. Sarkozy came under severe criticism across Europe for
the harsh policy, which put Roma Gypsies out on the street with no
place to live. Hollande promised that the Roma would not be ejected
unless an alternative place to live were provided, but he is breaking
that promise and human rights groups are expressing outrage. AFP


KEYS: Generational Dynamics, Greece, Antonis Samaras, Jean-Claude Juncker,
Kenya, Pokomo, Orma, François Hollande, France, Nicolas Sarkozy,
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24-Aug-12 World View -- Large anti-Muslim Brotherhood rally planned in Cairo Egypt on

*** 24-Aug-12 World View -- Large anti-Muslim Brotherhood rally planned in Cairo Egypt on Friday

This morning's key headlines from GenerationalDynamics.com

  • Greece's cash reserves will last until middle of October
  • U.N. forms a special 'Iran team' to investigate nuclear program
  • Egypt's President Morsi issues decree freeing jailed journalist
  • Large anti-Muslim Brotherhood rally planned in Cairo Egypt on Friday
  • U.S. plans to create missile defense shield across Asia


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**** Greece's cash reserves will last until middle of October
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Store with 'Shop Closing' sign in Athens (Kathimerini)

European officials are saying that no new bailout payment will be made
to Greece until the an audit is completed by early October, to
determine whether Greece is able to meet its austerity commitments.
If Greece passes, it will receive the next bailout installment of 31.5
billion euros. In the meantime, Greece is issuing short term treasury
bills to bring in extra cash. It's freezing payments to suppliers,
it's frozen tax rebates, and it's cut other expenses, in order to
survive until mid-October. However, to make matters worse, tax
collections are down by 2.2 billion euros, as of the end of July.
Kathimerini

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**** U.N. forms a special 'Iran team' to investigate nuclear program
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Amid almost daily threats of attacks on Iran, the U.N.'s International
Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) is forming a special Iran 20-person team,
drawing together sleuths in weapons technology, intelligence analysis,
radiation and other fields of expertise, to try to get to the truth
about Iran's plans for a nuclear weapons plans. Since Iran is
blocking many IAEA visits to places in Iran, apparently the new team
will look for evidence in other countries (or they could just google
"Iran nuclear"). My personal expectation is that there will not be an
American or Israeli attack on Iran, although many pundits are
predicting it. AP

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**** Egypt's President Morsi issues decree freeing jailed journalist
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Egypt's President Mohamed Morsi has issued his first presidential
decree, canceling the detention of defendants awaiting trial for media
offenses. Morsi was facing increasing criticism in Egypt for the
jailing last week of Islam Afifi, a critic of Morsi and the Muslim
Brotherhood, of which Morsi is a member. The new decree frees Afifi.
Morsi is the first freely elected president in Egypt's 5,000 year
history, and he's trying to establish himself as a different kind of
president than the deposed Hosni Mubarak. LA Times

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**** Large anti-Muslim Brotherhood rally planned in Cairo Egypt on Friday
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Friday is always the day of the biggest "Arab Spring" demonstrations,
because people pour out of mosques after Friday midday prayers and
take to the streets. A big demonstration in Cairo planned for this
Friday has generated controversy because it's targeting the Muslim
Brotherhood. One Muslim cleric infuriated a lot of people by
claiming, "Whoever joins the 24 August uprising ... will be committing
high treason against their nation, God, his prophet and Muslims." He
added: "Stand up against them. If they fight you, fight them back... if
they kill some of you, the martyrs will go to heaven; and if you kill
them, this will be righteous." However, Muslim Brotherhood
Secretary-General Mahmoud Hussein quickly said that every citizen
enjoyed the right to stage demonstrations – as long as said
demonstrations remained within the confines of the law and did not
damage public property. Organizers are promising that there will be
no violence, but we'll see. Al-Ahram (Cairo)

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**** U.S. plans to create missile defense shield across Asia
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The U.S. and Japan are planning a powerful new early-warning radar
system in southern Japan. The State Department says that the new
system is intended for protection from missiles from North Korea, and
has nothing to do with China, but most analysts believe that
protection from China's vast array of long-range missiles is at as
important an objective. There have been recent rumors that China is
testing a new intercontinental ballistic missile to strike any city in
the United States. Earlier this year, analysts revealed that China
was developing a new anti-carrier missile with the objective of
destroying American aircraft carriers in the Pacific. RT


KEYS: Generational Dynamics, Greece, bailout, Iran, IAEA,
International Atomic Energy Agency, Israel,
Egypt, Mohamed Morsi, Islam Afifi, Muslim Brotherhood,
Japan, China

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Quote Originally Posted by Justin '77 View Post
As I understand it, in Sweden there is very little risk to the lady false-accuser. Tuss could speak to that better than me.

And as to the prosecutor... originally they did let the accusations go as not founded enough to be worth pursuing. But that office works for a politician, and politicians apply their own pressure. Surely you're not naive enough to fail to see that?
So let's see. You're saying that both of the women are involved in a
criminal conspiracy to falsely accuse someone of rape, and that the
prosecutor and the politicians he works for are part of the
conspiracy. They're doing this under orders from Washington, so
Washington politicians are part of the conspiracy as well. There are
probably hundreds of politicians who are knowledgeable about the
conspiracy, and yet no one has spilled the story to the media.

You're right. I AM naive enough to fail to see that.







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Quote Originally Posted by John J. Xenakis View Post
So let's see. You're saying that both of the women are involved in a
criminal conspiracy to falsely accuse someone of rape, and that the
prosecutor and the politicians he works for are part of the
conspiracy. They're doing this under orders from Washington, so
Washington politicians are part of the conspiracy as well. There are
probably hundreds of politicians who are knowledgeable about the
conspiracy, and yet no one has spilled the story to the media.

You're right. I AM naive enough to fail to see that.
'Spilled'? The story's all over the media. Seriously; lots of media sources are pretty clear about it, too. You should get out more

As was once said by someone far more pithy than me, I'm not interested in conspiracy theories, but I am very interested in the facts of conspiracies.

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thought some sourcing might be fun. Here and here
some context of a past (though not distant past, if you dig) instance of Sweden acting as a frontman for the US to engage in torture
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"Qu'est-ce que c'est que cela, la loi ? On peut donc être dehors. Je ne comprends pas. Quant à moi, suis-je dans la loi ? suis-je hors la loi ? Je n'en sais rien. Mourir de faim, est-ce être dans la loi ?" -- Tellmarch

"Человек не может снять с себя ответственности за свои поступки." - L. Tolstoy

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is no doubt obvious, the cult of the experts is both self-serving, for those who propound it, and fraudulent." - Noam Chomsky







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You've posited a conspiracy involving two girls and dozens or hundreds
of politicians and lawyers, but you haven't produced anything by
anyone who actually KNOWS something going to the media. All you can
produce is nonsense that a bunch of anti-American pundits tell one
another, in what's sometimes called an "echo chamber."

Remember that Sweden isn't Russia and John Fredrik Reinfeldt is no
Vladimir Putin. In the West, we actually have what are called a "free
press" and "free elections," concepts completely unknown and unheard
of in Russia.

By the way, send my regards to Kasparov if he hasn't been sent to
Siberia with Khodorkovsky yet, or hasn't had his fingernails pulled
out. In my chess-playing days, it was obvious that he's brilliant.

If there were an actual a conspiracy going on, then the NY Times or
Der Spiegel would LOVE to publish a story about this conspiracy. But
in three years, no one who actually knows anything has come forward to
describe the conspiracy.

But I don't know why you bother with me, since you think I'm so naive.
By the way, do you think that the Trilateral Commission conspiracy is
involved?







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There is none so blind as he who wills not to see.
"Qu'est-ce que c'est que cela, la loi ? On peut donc être dehors. Je ne comprends pas. Quant à moi, suis-je dans la loi ? suis-je hors la loi ? Je n'en sais rien. Mourir de faim, est-ce être dans la loi ?" -- Tellmarch

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Quote Originally Posted by Justin '77 View Post
There is none so blind as he who wills not to see.
Yeah, right.

One more thing. I watched Assange give his speech live last week, and he came
across to me as a total sleazebag. You might not want to bet too many
chips on him.







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The Powers That Be know that those of us on the left are sensitive to women's rights, which is why calling him a rapist helps them. It's much like when they call critics of Free Trade racists and xenophobes, trying to intimidate the Left into silence by implying that we are what we hate.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.

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Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
The Powers That Be know that those of us on the left are sensitive to women's rights, which is why calling him a rapist helps them. It's much like when they call critics of Free Trade racists and xenophobes, trying to intimidate the Left into silence by implying that we are what we hate.
Honestly, Odin, he may very well be a dirtbag rapist. It's just that whether he is or not makes no difference at all to the people who want him taken out. Ironically, once again they show their contempt for victimized women -- this time by using their cause as a mask, instead of just ignoring them outright.

It's kind of a shame.
"Qu'est-ce que c'est que cela, la loi ? On peut donc être dehors. Je ne comprends pas. Quant à moi, suis-je dans la loi ? suis-je hors la loi ? Je n'en sais rien. Mourir de faim, est-ce être dans la loi ?" -- Tellmarch

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25-Aug-12 World View -- Fatal bridge collapse in China prompts public uproar

*** 25-Aug-12 World View -- Fatal bridge collapse in China prompts public uproar

This morning's key headlines from GenerationalDynamics.com

  • Anti-Morsi demonstrations in Cairo Egypt turn into a dud
  • Fatal bridge collapse in China prompts public uproar
  • Inventories of manufactured goods piling up in China
  • Jean-Claude Juncker meets Antonis Samaras


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**** Anti-Morsi demonstrations in Cairo Egypt turn into a dud
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Stone-throwing clashes break out between Morsi's supporters and opponents in Tahrir Square

Organizers had hoped to match the crowds of hundreds of thousands of
people who rallied early last year in Cairo's Tahrir Square to
overthrow former president Hosni Mubarak. But Friday's protests,
called to protest President Mohamed Morsi, drew a very small crowd of
only several hundred people, while there were only a few thousand in
all at different venues. It was mostly peaceful, but there was
scattered violence between pro- and anti-Muslim Brotherhood
demonstrators. Al Arabiya (Dubai)

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**** Fatal bridge collapse in China prompts public uproar
****


A $300 million bridge that only opened 10 months ago collapsed on
Friday, causing four trucks to plunge to the ground below, killing
three people and injuring five. Chinese bloggers are becoming
increasingly contemptuous over shoddy construction practices. As I
reported in July 2011, bloggers
were furious at another bridge catastrophe, when one high-speed train
rear-ended another on a bridge, causing four coaches to fall off the
bridge, killing 35 and injuring 200. Apparently the two trains were
administered by two different government agencies, and there was no
coordination whatsoever. Since then, there have been six major bridge
disasters, indicating that shoddy construction is a pervasive problem
throughout China. Let's hope that their missiles are equally shoddy.
Xinhua and China Daily

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**** Inventories of manufactured goods piling up in China
****


China's economy has been slowing down since fall of last year, and new
data confirms the slowdown has been accelerating rapidly in recent
months. Inventories of everything from steel and household applicans
to cars and apartments have increased to a massive glut. The huge
inventories are caused by a kind of reverse supply and demand
equation: Sales are falling by as much as 50% in some industries, but
instead of cutting back on production, the government is using fiscal
policy to encourage increases in production and building of more and
more factories and apartment buildings. Car manufacturers, for
example, refuse to cut production, and are pressuring dealers to
accept delivery of so many cars that there's no place to park them.
At the same time, the government is carefully hiding the problem. The
Public Security Bureau, for example, has halted the release of data
about slumping car registrations. (This is reminiscent of China's
Great Leap Forward in 1958. Mao Zedong dismantled the Central
Statistical Bureau, which was responsible or keeping track of
agricultural data. Mao was completely blindsided until it was too
late, and tens of thousands of people died of starvation.) CNBC / NY Times

The China experience shows that "printing" lots of money does not
result in hyperinflation in a generational Crisis era, since
people and businesses hoard cash during this era, and refuse
to spend or lend it.

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**** Jean-Claude Juncker meets Antonis Samaras
****


Eurogroup finance committee chairman Jean-Claude Juncker met
with Greece's prime minister Antonis Samaras on Thursday.


Juncker and Samaras

Kathimerini

KEYS: Generational Dynamics, Cairo, Egypt, Tahrir Square, Mohamed Morsi,
Hosni Mubarak, Muslim Brotherhood,
China, bridge collapse, inventory buildup, Great Leap Forward,
Mao Zedong, Jean-Claude Juncker, Antonis Samaras, Greece

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Women do lie about rape, but in this case I would think it's unlikely that BOTH women would lie.
-Ultimately, the only way to find out is to bring him in and question him. Which, of course, is why he's hifidng in an embassy in the UK.







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26-Aug-12 World View -- Pakistani immigrants protest in Syntagma square in Athens

*** 26-Aug-12 World View -- Pakistani immigrants protest in Syntagma square in Athens, Greece

This morning's key headlines from GenerationalDynamics.com

  • Nato airstrike kills Pakistan Taliban leader in Afghanistan
  • Pakistan prepares to eject Afghanistan refugees
  • Pakistani immigrants protest in Syntagma square in Athens, Greece
  • Corrections to yesterday's World View (corrected online):
  • Warren E. Pollock interviews John J. Xenakis


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**** Nato airstrike kills Pakistan Taliban leader in Afghanistan
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Mullah Dadullah (EPA)

A Nato airstrike has killed Mullah Dadullah, a senior commander of
Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP - Pakistan Taliban). The fact that the
airstrike killed him in Afghanistan has political significance in the
U.S. relationship with Pakistan. Americans have been demanding that
the Pakistani army clean out the TTP forces in Pakistan's tribal
areas, since many TTP terrorists cross the border and conduct
terrorist acts in Afghanistan. The Pakistanis have been insisting
that these terrorists are actually living in Afghanistan, rather than
Pakistan. The death of Mullah Dadullah in Afghanistan supports the
claims of the Pakistanis. ABC

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**** Pakistan prepares to eject Afghanistan refugees
****


Ever since the Soviets invaded Afghanistan in the 1980s, through the
civil war of the 1990s, followed by Taliban rule, millions of refugees
from Afghanistan, mostly Pashtuns, fled to Pakistan, mostly settling
down in the tribal area or Balochistan province. The Pakistanis
welcomed then with open arms, and gave them refugee ID cards with
indefinite expiration. As the refugees became an increasing burden,
they were given an expiration date in 2009. Pakistan extended that
date to 2012, and now all Afghans are losing their refugee status on
December 31, meaning that they have to return to an uncertain future
in Afghanistan with no money. Hundreds of thousands of returning
refugees could complicate the Nato withdrawal from Afghanistan.
IRIN (U.N.) and AP

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**** Pakistani immigrants protest in Syntagma square in Athens, Greece
****



Thousands of mostly Pakistani immigrants protest in Athens on Friday (AFP)

An ironic twist, while Pakistanis are planning to eject Afghan
refugees, is that thousands of illegal Pakistani immigrants in Greece
protested in Athens' Syntagma square on Friday. They were
particularly protesting against Alex Tsipras, the leader of the
far-right Golden Dawn party that is demanding that all illegal
immigrants be deported. Dawn (Karachi)

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**** Corrections to yesterday's World View (corrected online):
****


  • China's collapsed bridge cost $300 million to build, not $3
    million.
  • Tens of millions of Chinese, not just tens of thousands, died
    of starvation in the Great Leap Forward.


****
**** Warren E. Pollock interviews John J. Xenakis
****


Here's Warren E. Pollock's description of our 38 minute interview:

John uses Generational Dynamics to forecast future events. We talk
about the major flash points around the world including the Caucuses,
South China Sea, and the Middle East. Growing nationalism, internal
rebellion, economic events, and demographic trends are aligning around
the world much the same way they did just before WWI.

Points covered include:

The concept that People can Drift by Mistake into War;
That Decisions to go to war are not logical;
The Importance of Tiananmen Square;
Advances Chinese Missile Technology;
A Shocking Future Event Waking America;
The Importance of;
Potential for China to Have an Internal Rebellion;
Exposure of US Aircraft Carriers;
Pakistan and US Contention and Cooperation;
Shi’a and Sunni Relations;
The initial Partition between India and the Massive Refugee Crisis;
The Line of Control;
The Current Assam Refugee Crisis;
Syrian War turning onto Sectarian war;
United States allied with Japan;
China Allied with Pakistan;
Russia Allied With India;
Turkish Contention with The Kurds;
Turkish Military action in Syria, Northern Iraq;
Russian Soft Power Influence using Natural Gas on Western Europe;
Current American Conciseness;
Russian WWII experience;
Firebombing of Japan During WWII;
Firebombing of Dresden;
Bataan Death March;
The Decision to Assassinate Arch Duke Franz Ferdinand of Austria by High School Students;
Younger Activists of Various Countries Driving Nationalism and a Chain of Dependencies;
Remembering the Good Old Days of US Culture;
What Checks and Balances Prevent US Nationalism?;
The Transitory Nature of the NDAA and Patriot Act;
Japanese Internment;
Suspension of Habeas Corpus and Sedition

YouTube/Warren E. Pollock Interview

KEYS: Generational Dynamics, Pakistan, Afghanistan,
Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan, TTP, Pakistan Taliban,
Mullah Dadullah, Greece, Syntagma Square,
Alexis Tsipras, Golden Dawn, Warren E. Pollock

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27-Aug-12 World View -- China condemns Mitt Romney's 'Cold War mentality'

*** 27-Aug-12 World View -- China condemns Mitt Romney's 'Cold War mentality'

This morning's key headlines from GenerationalDynamics.com

  • Angola sends 37 Chinese gangsters back to China
  • Angola's Chinese-built ghost town
  • Germany's Angela Merkel tries to halt anti-Greece panic
  • China condemns Mitt Romney's 'Cold War mentality'


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**** Angola sends 37 Chinese gangsters back to China
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Chinese gangsters being escored off a plane in Beijing (Xinhua)

Angola has extradited 37 Chinese "gangsters" back to China, accused of
extortion, human trafficking, kidnappings, armed robberies and running
prostitution rings. After hearing for most of my life about "the ugly
Americans," it's now the turn of the Chinese to be ugly. There are
some 250,000 Chinese migrants working on various construction jobs in
different countries, according to a BBC report that I heard. They
don't mingle much with the local population, so they lead very lonely
lives, and they need to be "serviced" (the BBC commentator's word)
with such things as prostitution and gambling. There's already a lot
of organized crime in China itself, and it's followed the Chinese
construction workers to Africa. The 37 extradited Chinese are charged
with various crimes. They allegedly targeted other Chinese,
kidnapping businessmen for ransom and sometimes burying victims alive.
They lured women to Angola, promising well-paid jobs, but then forced
them into prostitution. China Daily and BBC

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**** Angola's Chinese-built ghost town
****


Just as China's organized crime is following the Chinese workers to
Africa, so is China's real estate bubble and ghost cities.
Kilamba is one of several new ghost cities being built by Chinese
construction firms around Angola. It spans 5000 hectares (12,355
acres), it consists of 750 eight-story apartment buildings, a dozen
schools and more than 100 retail units. It was designed to house up
to half a million people when complete, but the apartments cost
$120-200,000, while the average Angolan earns less than $2 per day.
So the apartments are almost all empty, and likely to remain so.
BBC

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**** Germany's Angela Merkel tries to halt anti-Greece panic
****


September is expected to be a crucial month in the euro crisis.
Greece has already had two bailouts, and now a third one is being
discussed. Over the summer most people realized that that won't be
enough, and in fact that nothing will be enough, and so it's becoming
increasingly discussed, especially in Germany, that Greece should
leave the eurozone, and go back to the drachma currency. It's not
that everyone wants this to happen; it's that the politicians and
bankers are coming to believe that it's a smaller disaster than the
alternative of trying to keep on bailing out Greece.
On Sunday, German Chancellor Angela Merkel tried to quell the
growing panic by emphatically stating that Greece must remain
in the eurozone:

"We are in a very decisive phase in combating the euro
debt crisis. My plea is that everyone weigh their words very
carefully."
This was two days after Greece's prime minister Antonis Samaras said:

"Toxic statements, from wherever they come, can only
do damage. Is there any businessman who will make an investment
in euros to get it back in drachmas? The recovery of the economy
is of critical importance if we are to achieve our
goals."
However, Merkel also said that Greece will not get any further bailout
money unless it sticks to its austerity commitments, while Samaras is
begging for a two-year delay in the austerity measures, something that
would require an additional 22 billion euros in bailout money. So, in
fact, the two leaders are about as far apart as they can be at this
point.

There's been relatively little news about the euro crisis recently
because everyone in Europe is on vacation in August. But that should
be changing soon, as the crisis enters what Merkel calls a "decisive
phase." . Bloomberg and Deutsche Welle

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**** China condemns Mitt Romney's 'Cold War mentality'
****


According to China's state-sponsored China Daily:

"By any standard, the US Republican presidential
candidate Mitt Romney's China policy, as outlined on his official
campaign website, is an outdated manifestation of a Cold War
mentality.

It endorses the "China threat" theory and focuses on containing
China's rise in the Asia-Pacific through bolstering the robust US
military presence in the region.

And by stating that the US "should be coordinating with Taiwan to
determine its military needs and supplying them with adequate
aircraft and other military platforms", the Republican challenger
has also gone so far as to provoke China over its sovereignty of
the island."
So here we have a nation, China, which for well over a decade has been
preparing a massive military buildup for an attack on the United
States, which has been developing long-range missiles specifically
designed to attack American cities, which has developed an
anti-carrier missile specifically designed to destroy American
aircraft carriers, which has threatened all of its neighbors in the
Asia-Pacific and central Asia with vast military threats designed to
confiscate their land (Hitler's Lebensraum policy). But every time
anyone points out this massive military buildup, or China's obvious
intention to launch a nuclear missile attack on the United States,
they're called a "war monger" with a Cold War mentality. Be prepared
for peace in our time. China Daily


KEYS: Generational Dynamics, Angola, China, Kalimba, organized crime,
Greece, Germany, Angela Merkel, Antonis Samaras,
Mitt Romney, Cold War, Taiwan, Hitler, Lebensraum

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