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Post#301 at 01-16-2013 11:50 PM by John J. Xenakis [at Cambridge, MA joined May 2003 #posts 4,012]
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17-Jan-13 World View -- Mali conflict explodes into ground war and hostage crisis

*** 17-Jan-13 World View -- Mali conflict explodes into ground war and hostage crisis

This morning's key headlines from GenerationalDynamics.com

  • France launches ground campaign in Mali
  • Islamist militants seize gas complex in Algeria, with dozens of hostages
  • Britain prepares for a new Falklands war


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**** France launches ground campaign in Mali
****



'In Amenas' gas facility in Algeria, where militants are holding hostages

It's been almost a year since France was advocating military action in
Mali ( "13-Jul-12 World View -- France expects the West to deploy military forces in Mali"
),
and two weeks ago the plan was to take some action possibly next
September. Then last week, France was going to train Mali's
armed forces and conduct some air strikes, but the operation
would be over in a few weeks, and there would be absolutely
no French combat troops in Mali.

All that planning is now out the window, after the Islamist militants
started moving to take control of the entire country. France sent
combat troops into Mali on Wednesday to assault Islamist rebels. The
ground troops are thought to be necessary because any delay in
following up on the air strikes would allow the rebels to withdraw
into the desert, reorganize and mount a counter-offensive. France is
getting some support from other countries. Britain and Germany are
supply military transport planes, and the U.S. is considering
logistical and surveillance support. Reuters

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**** Islamist militants seize gas complex in Algeria, with dozens of hostages
****


Islamist militants had promised revenge for France's military action
in Mali, and on Wednesday they kept their promise by seizing a gas
production facility operated by the Algerian state oil company,
Sonatrach, along with the British oil company BP and Norway's Statoil.
About 20 foreign workers are being held captive, including 7
Americans, are being held hostage. The militants are associated with
Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM).

An Algerian analyst that I heard interviewed on the BBC on Wednesday
said that Algerian security forces knew that some sort of retaliation
was coming, and that an attack on such an obvious target should easily
have been prevented. He pointed out that several of the top level
officers in AQIM have backgrounds in Algerian intelligence services,
and so Algerian security forces may have been complicit in the capture
of the gas facility. He said that Algeria was opposed to any kind of
Western intervention in Mali from the start, and they were
particularly opposed to intervention from France, so this may have
been their way of getting revenge. BBC

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**** Britain prepares for a new Falklands war
****


In 1982, Britain's armed forces recaptured the Falkland Islands in a
two-month battle, after an invasion by Argentina to take control of
Las Malvinas -- Argentina's name for the Falklands. Argentina has
never given up its claims to the islands, and president Cristina de
Kirchner has become increasingly strident in those claims. Fearing a
new invasion by Argentina, Britain's military planners are actively
considering military options to be used, if they become
necessary. These options could involve the deployment of the Royal
Navy’s Response Task Force Group, a flotilla comprising destroyers, a
frigate, a submarine and commandos. However, some analysts outside of
Britain are suggesting that if Argentina captured the islands again,
as they did in 1982, then Britain would no longer have the military
capability to dislodge them. Telegraph (London) and Russia Today


KEYS: Generational Dynamics, France, Mali, Algeria, AQIM,
Britain, Argentina, Falklands, Malvinas

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Post#302 at 01-18-2013 12:19 AM by John J. Xenakis [at Cambridge, MA joined May 2003 #posts 4,012]
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18-Jan-13 World View-Did France kick hornet's nest with military intervention in Mali

*** 18-Jan-13 World View -- Did France kick a hornet's nest with military intervention in Mali?

This morning's key headlines from GenerationalDynamics.com

  • David Cameron postpones a critical speech on Britain's EU membership
  • Algeria ends hostage siege violence, embroiling self in Mali war
  • Questions arise of France's sudden military actions in Africa
  • Greece concerned about outbreak of violence


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**** David Cameron postpones a critical speech on Britain's EU membership
****



David Cameron on Thursday

Because of the growing crisis in Algeria, Britain's prime minister
David Cameron has canceled a much anticipated speech he was to
give on Friday in Brussels on the question of Britain's continued
membership in the European Union. Since the Algerian natural gas
complex was mostly operated by British Petroleum, it was a major
crisis in Britain. According to Cameron:

<QUOTE>"We face a very bad situation at this BP gas compound
in Algeria. A number of British citizens have been taken hostage;
already we know of one that has died. The Algerian armed forces
have now attacked this compound. It is a very dangerous, very
uncertain, very fluid situation.

"We have to prepare ourselves for the possibility of bad news
ahead. Cobra [crisis group] officials here are working around the
clock to do everything we can to keep in contact with the
families."<END QUOTE>

British officials have been expressing annoyance that Algeria when
ahead with the bloody rescue mission without giving advance notice
to Britain, or asking for help.

Although the speech on EU membership was canceled, Cameron is expected
to demand some changes in EU governance as a condition for remaining.
These include giving Britain veto power over EU laws that affect
British financial issues, and greater ability to control illegal
immigration. Guardian (London) and Spiegel

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**** Algeria ends hostage siege violence, embroiling self in Mali war
****


Algerian forces stormed the "Ain Amenas" natural gas complex on
Thursday, freeing hundreds of hostages, mostly Algerian workers, being
held by al-Qaeda linked terrorists. But 30 of the hostages, including
some Americans, were killed, along with at 11 of the terrorist militia
members.

Algeria had previously indicated that it wanted to stay completely
out of the Mali war, but then permitted the France's war planes
to overfly Algeria to reach Mali. The terrorists used this
fact to justify their attack on the natural gas complex.

The terrorist attack on the natural gas complex exposes major
vulnerabilities for Algeria. Europe is dependent on large shipments
of natural gas from Algeria, and Algeria's economy is dependent
on the income from those shipments. The terrorists could have
blown up the natural gas complex but, according to some analysts,
chose simply to make the point that they can still do that at
any time in the future. Thus, this crisis raises questions over
whether Algeria will be able to reliably continue to supply energy
to Europe.

This attack may also force Algeria to take a more active part in the
Mali war, for its own self-defense. That would broaden the war even
further into a regional war. Reuters and Time

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**** Questions arise of France's sudden military actions in Africa
****


It's only been four days since France startled the world by
unexpectedly challenging al-Qaeda linked terrorist groups on two
different fronts in Africa.
( "14-Jan-13 World View -- France on terror alert after challenging al-Qaeda on two fronts" ) The hostage rescue
mission in Somalia was a disastrous failure. And in Mali, a French
plan to train Mali's army has turned into a full scale invading combat
force with thousands of troops. It almost seems that France panicked
-- and I'm reminded of 2006,
when Israel panicked and launched the Lebanon war within four hours,
with no plan and no objectives.

France's intervention in Mali was triggered by the sudden movement of
al-Qaeda linked Ansar al-Dine terrorists from northern Mali, where
they were already in control, south towards Bamako, the country's
capital city. I've heard different commentators express opposite
opinions about whether Ansar al-Dine could have successfully captured
and taken control of Bamako. One commentator said that Mali's army
was so weak that they would have put up no defense whatsoever to an
Ansar al-Dine invasion. Another commentator said that the citizens of
Bamako would have repelled the invading terrorists because they were
ethnically Tuaregs from the north, and the citizens of Bamako in the
south didn't like Tuaregs.

We'll never know for sure which side is right, but it's certain that
the French believe the first of these opinions -- that the Ansar
al-Dine terrorists would have easily captured Bamako, taking control
of the entire country in the same way that the Taliban took control of
Afghanistan in the late 1990s, turning it into a large base from which
terrorist attacks could be launched into Algeria, Europe and North
America.

The problem is that, as in the case of the Israeli attack on Hizbollah,
the initial dream of an easy victory has already been dashed,
and the prospect of a long war is looming. As several commentators
have suggested, France may have kicked a hornet's nest. This follows
increasing unrest throughout the region, with the "Arab Spring" and
the military action in Libya causing numerous decades-old governments
to collapse.

Mali's African neighbors are supposed to be helping out by supplying a
few thousand troops to fight the rebels in Mali, but those armies are
woefully untrained, and lack even basic supplies. They won't even be
able to feed themselves unless someone -- quite possibly the United
States military -- provides the transport to keep them supplied.
Britain and Germany don't really want to get involved, but they don't
want to be accused of being poor allies to the French, so they're
supplying transport vehicles.

An interesting question is what Russia and China will do in the United
Nations Security Council when a new resolution (if any) needs to be
voted. They've already supported a previous resolution permitting
military intervention by Mali's African neighbors, at a time when any
thoughts of such intervention were ephemeral future ghosts in the
mist. But now that military action is real, and it's gone well beyond
Mali's neighbors, Russia and China may take the same stand they're
taking over Syria -- no further military intervention is authorized.
There is one big difference, however -- unlike Libya and Syria, Mali's
governed requested military intervention. The National (UAE) and Jamestown

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**** Greece concerned about outbreak of violence
****


With unrest increasing because of austerity measures, authorities in
Greece are expressing grave concerns about an outbreak of extremist
violence directed against journalists, political entities and
government institutions. Gun violence has been increasing, and has
been targeting government officials. A group called Militant
Minority-Lovers of Lawlessness is claiming credit for 17 firebomb
attacks in one week, with targets including political offices of the
left and right. Officials are concerned that violence is going to
continue to escalate. Unemployment in Greece tops 26 percent and a
new tax plan sets a rate of 42 percent on many middle-class families,
while increasing the corporate rate from 20 percent to 26 percent.
Southeast European Times


KEYS: Generational Dynamics, Britain, David Cameron, Algeria, BP,
Ain Amenas, Mali, France, Somalia, Ansar al-Dine,
Israel, Hizbollah, Russia, China, UN Security Council,
Greece, Militant Minority-Lovers of Lawlessness

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19-Jan-13 World View -- China's directive to the Army: Get Ready for War

*** 19-Jan-13 World View -- China's directive to the People's Liberation Army: Get Ready for War

This morning's key headlines from GenerationalDynamics.com

  • China's directive to the People's Liberation Army: Get Ready for War
  • China steps up nationalistic war-like rhetoric
  • China's historic mistake
  • 146 lines, 1183 words, 7376 characters


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**** China's directive to the People's Liberation Army: Get Ready for War
****



China's DF-21D anti-ship ballistic missile

China's General Staff Headquarters has issued a harsh directive on
Wednesday to the People's Liberation Army (PLA) to prepare for war:

<QUOTE>"In 2013, the goal set for the entire army and the
People's Armed Police force is to bolster their capabilities to
fight and their ability to win a war ... to be well-prepared for a
war by subjecting the army to hard and rigorous training on an
actual combat basis."<END QUOTE>

Although past directives have directed soldiers to be prepared in case
of war, this year's directive, for the first time, uses the Chinese
word "dazhang," which means "fighting war," and uses it 10 times in
the 1000 word directive.

Last month ( "2-Dec-12 World View -- China's neighbors express alarm over militant new South China Sea policy"
), China However, China has announced plans to board
and seize foreign ships in the South China Sea starting in 2013, and
has been conducting naval drills with warships in preparation.

While the official directive does not mention Japan, various
commentaries makes clear that Japan is the would-be adversary.
VOA and South China Morning Post (Hong Kong) and China Military Online (Beijing) and People's Daily Online / Military (Beijing)

****
**** China steps up nationalistic war-like rhetoric
****


China's military budget has been increasing exponentially for years,
as I and others have reported, and this year it's finally paying off,
as China's military is deploying a large number of new warships,
tanks, missiles, submarines and strike aircraft, much of it in
preparation for full-scale war with the United States. These weapons
include hundreds (and perhaps thousands) of mobile, nuclear ballistic
missiles targeting American cities, and newly developed missiles
capable of striking and disabling American aircraft carriers. For the
first time in its modern history, China has the firepower to contest
control of disputed territory far from its coastal waters.

Flush with pride and confidence, enior officers in China's People's
Liberation Army (PLA) are using increasingly hawkish and nationalistic
rhetoric when discussing issues related to Japan or the United States.
Some of these officers call for "short, sharp wars" to assert China's
sovereignty, or to "strike first", "prepare for conflict" or "kill a
chicken to scare the monkeys."

The United States has mutual defense treaties with Japan, Taiwan,
the Philippines, and a number of other countries. The purpose of those
treaties, signed after WW II, was to discourage anyone from starting a
new war, since anyone fighting a war with one of these countries
would automatically have a war with the United States as well.

Dai Xu, a Chinese Air Force Colonel, is arguing for a short, decisive
war with one of China's neighbors -- Vietnam, the Philippines, or
Japan, in order to establish sovereignty over the Pacific region
without risking war with the United States. This is the "kill a
chicken to scare the monkeys" philosophy. According to this theory,
America will NOT honor its mutual defense agreements with any of these
countries, because the U.S. will not want to risk having its cities
destroyed by Chinese ballistic missiles. He points to China's 1962
border clash with India, which China won decisively, leading to
decades of peace.

<QUOTE>"Since we have decided that the U.S. is bluffing in
the East China Sea, we should take this opportunity to respond to
these empty provocations with something real.

This includes Vietnam, the Philippines and Japan, who are the
three running dogs of the United States in Asia. We only need to
kill one, and it will immediately bring the others to
heel."<END QUOTE>

As one Chinese analyst put it, the Americans will "run like rabbits."
Another one said, "If there is a clash in the South China Sea, the
possibility that foreign countries would intervene is low, and any
conflict would not last long." Defense News (Washington) and Reuters

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**** China's historic mistake
****


Anyone who understands even a little generational theory can quickly
understand that China is making a historic mistake that will be a
disaster for everyone.

China's 1962 border clash with India did not lead to a wider war,
because the countries were in a generational Awakening era, with
both countries being run by survivors of World War II and, respectively,
Mao's Communist Revolution civil war and the bloody Hindu/Muslim
war that followed Partition. Each of these wars were extremely
brutal, creating tens or hundreds of thousands of casualties
and refugees, and no one who survived either of those wars would
ever allow it to happen again.

Today, China and India and America are in generational Crisis eras.
The survivors of World War II are all gone. Today's leaders have had
an easy life where their worst crisis was a sex scandal. They have no
personal memory of the horrors of WW II, and the Gen-Xers think that
any older generation who even talks about it is completely full of
crap.

The Chinese, as well as many Americans, believe that President
Obama would not strike back if China launched one of these
"short, sharp wars" against one of its neighbors. Obama, according
to this view, would be like Neville Chamberlain after Hitler
attacked Czechoslovakia.

This view overlooks the extreme nationalism of a generational Crisis era.
President Obama would not have any choice if Congress declared
war, which might happen within hours of any Chinese attack.

This view also overlooks the hard lesson that came out of the Neville
Chamberlain episode. Britain excused Germany's attack on
Czechoslovakia, but also warned that any further aggression would lead
to war. So Obama may have his Neville Chamberlain moment, but it
would only delay war.

China today is giddy with military power to the point of mass
hysteria, and way overconfident. They're ready for war, and they're
anxious to go to war. They have a military strategy of attacking
America's weak points that they believe will lead them to a quick
victory, because America won't risk having its cities attacked.
Nothing can be further from the truth. Generational Dynamics predicts
that when China makes its move, and that day seems very close, then
the war won't end until every nuclear weapon on all sides has been
launched against some enemy's targets. By the end of the war, will be
some 3 billion deaths, leaving 4 billion of so survivors to carry on
and try to rebuild the world.


KEYS: Generational Dynamics, China, People's Liberation Army,
Japan, Taiwan, Philippines, Vietnam, Dai Xu,
India, Neville Chamberlain

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20-Jan-13 World View -- Algeria ends four-day terrorist siege with a no-mercy assault

*** 20-Jan-13 World View -- Algeria ends four-day terrorist siege with a no-mercy assault

This morning's key headlines from GenerationalDynamics.com

  • Algeria ends four-day terrorist siege with a no-mercy assault
  • Hillary Clinton tells China to steer clear of the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands
  • Federal Reserve officials were caught by surprise by financial crisis


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**** Algeria ends four-day terrorist siege with a no-mercy assault
****



Mokhtar Belmokhtar is the leader of the terrorist group responsible for the siege of the Algerian natural gas complex (Reuters)

Algerian troops ended the four-day siege by Islamist terrorists at a
natural gas complex in the Sahara with a no-mercy, no-negotiation
assault that killed the seven remaining foreign hostages, along with
all the remaining hostage takers. Algeria's interior ministry said
that 107 foreign hostages and 685 Algerian hostages had survived, but
there are still people unaccounted for, including Americans, Britons,
Norwegians and French, and many people are fearing the worst. At
least 15 unidentified burned bodies were found at the plant. Some
Western governments have expressed anger that they weren't even
notified before the Algerians went ahead with the initial assault,
risking the lives of the hostages, but the Algerians feared that any
delay would make matters worse. Reuters

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**** Hillary Clinton tells China to steer clear of the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands
****


U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton is warning China not to
take "any unilateral actions that would seek to undermine Japanese
administration" of the Sankaku/Diaoyu islands. If China does take any
action, then presumably she or her successor will issue another
warning. As we've reported, ( "19-Jan-13 World View -- China's directive to the People's Liberation Army: Get Ready for War"
), Chinese military
officials believe that "the U.S. is bluffing in the East China Sea,"
and that Americans will "run like rabbits" if there's a clash.
Japan Times

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**** Federal Reserve officials were caught by surprise by financial crisis
****


The transcripts of Federal Reserve meetings from 2007 have just been
released, and they indicate that Federal Reserve officials, from
chairman Ben Bernanke on down, were completely clueless about the
coming financial crisis. One Fed official, then-San Francisco Fed
President Janet Yellen, raised the alarm about the housing bubble in
January, but she was ignored and backed down later in the year. As
I've said many times, mainstream economists did not predict and can't
explain the 1990s tech bubble, the real estate bubble, the 2007
financial crisis, or anything that's happening today, and they don't
have the vaguest clue what's going to happen next year.

I still can't get used to this. It was perfectly obvious to me by
2004 that there was a housing bubble and a stock market bubble. It
was also obvious to Alan Greenspan, who gave some alarming speeches on
the subject in 2005. (See "Ben S. Bernanke: The man without agony" from 2005.) And
I'm not blessed with any special powers, but I do understand the Law
of Mean Reversion, which is taught in Economics 1.01, and when you
apply the Law of Mean Reversion, you could see well before 2007 that
there was a housing bubble, a stock market bubble and a credit bubble,
and that there was going to be a crash. So I was able to apply
Economics 1.01 and predict what was going to happen, but Ben Bernanke
and the gang at the Fed were totally unable to do the same thing.

These are the same people that are running the Fed today. They still
don't have a clue what's going on. As I wrote in "1-Jan-13 World View -- 2013 Forecast: Financial Crisis and China Threat"
, the S&P 500 Price/Earnings
Ratio index (also called "valuations") has been well above average
since 1995, and by the Law of Mean Reversion, stocks will at some
point fall sharply, to the Dow 3000 level or lower, and stay there
until the 2020s. Bloomberg and AP


KEYS: Generational Dynamics, Algeria, Hillary Clinton, Japan,
Senkaku, Diaoyu, Federal Reserve, Ben Bernanke, Janet Yellen,
Alan Greenspan, Law of Mean Reversion

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21-Jan-13 World View -- Discussion of China's directive to 'Get Ready for War'

*** 21-Jan-13 World View -- Discussion of China's directive to 'Get Ready for War'

This morning's key headlines from GenerationalDynamics.com

  • China's strategy
  • How would the U.S. react to a Chinese invasion of a neighbor?
  • China's military strength
  • The Chinese threat


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**** China's strategy
****



China's Army marching in Tiananmen Square (CNN)

My recent article "China's directive to the People's Liberation Army: Get Ready for War"

was posted in several places and drew hundreds of questions and
comments. In this article, I'm going to provide some responses.

I quoted Dai Xu, a Chinese Air Force Colonel, as advocating a short
decisive war against one of China's neighbors:

<QUOTE>"Since we have decided that the U.S. is bluffing in
the East China Sea, we should take this opportunity to respond to
these empty provocations with something real.

This includes Vietnam, the Philippines and Japan, who are the
three running dogs of the United States in Asia. We only need to
kill one, and it will immediately bring the others to
heel."<END QUOTE>

One web site reader wrote:

<QUOTE>"China might alternatively pick Vietnam as the dog to
be killed. Vietnam does not have a defense pact with the United
States and the U.S. might seek to provide only indirect assistance
to Vietnam. Vietnam might also refuse to surrender and be
impossible to pacify in a "quick war".

China could find itself at war with a minor power and not with any
major power for a number of years."<END QUOTE>

Another wrote:

<QUOTE>"If China was going to war with anyone (and I do not
wish war on anyone) I'd prefer they attack Vietnam. This wouldn't
suck the Western Allies in and it could teach China a good lesson
of being bled dry by a tenacious enemy. This would be best case
IMO outside of peace of course."<END QUOTE>

This discussion highlighted something that hadn't occurred to me
before: That an attack on Vietnam is the "logical" choice for China.
From China's point of view, there would be several advantages:

  • It would raise far less nationalism in the United States than
    would attacks on Japan or the Philippines.
  • China has a score to settle with Vietnam, following the 1979
    China-Vietnam war.
  • The motive would be "kill a chicken to scare the monkeys," as the
    old Chinese saying goes.
  • It would assert complete control over the South China Sea.
  • China claims that America has been a troublemaker in the South and
    East China Seas, because these countries have been confronting China
    in the confident belief that they would be defended by the U.S. If
    the U.S. does not defend Vietnam, then the other countries would no
    longer feel confident, and would no longer challenge China.
  • It would scare Japan, so that China could take control of the
    Senkaku/Diaoyu islands, and Japan would retreat.


(The last reason, of course, is sheer fantasy, but it's possible that
Chinese hawks believe it.)

China invaded Vietnam in 1979 in a war where China was repulsed
quickly. China made some serious mistakes in that war. Those
mistakes would not be repeated in this crisis era.

It's possible that a Chinese invasion of Vietnam would lead to
President Obama's "Neville Chamberlain moment." But, as in that case,
any later aggressive action by China would lead to full-scale war.
Time Magazine

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**** How would the U.S. react to a Chinese invasion of a neighbor?
****


Some Chinese military planners believe that Americans will "run like
rabbits" and not honor its mutual defense treaties, if China invaded
one of its neighbors. A lot of commenters believe the same thing:

<QUOTE>"The only reason the Chinese might think "Americans
will run like rabbits" is because of this administration's recent
weak performance in the Middle East, and because of the tenuous
U.S. (and Western) economy (both White House admins are to blame
here).

Whatever one thinks about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, it is
clear to all foreign entities that America shows neither a
principled and goal oriented interaction nor a policy engaged from
a position of confidence (exerted quietly or
visibly)."<END QUOTE>

I expressed the opinion that "President Obama would not have any
choice if Congress declared war, which might happen within hours of
any Chinese attack." One reader responded:

<QUOTE>"First, yes he would. He could dither on the
deployments the way France and the U.K. did after Hitler seized
Bohemia and Moravia and declared Slovakia a Protectorate, then
dithered some more when Hitler declared war on Poland, launching a
mighty Sitzkrieg offensive in the Pacific while saving the
Blitzkrieg for the media and stump circuit.

In the face of that, all Congress could do is impeach him, even
while an attempt is made to repeal the 22nd Amendment so he can do
nothing for even more [years].

Second, what if a declaration of war passes the House but not the
Senate? Never mind the Chamberlain in the White House, Harry Reid
could play his own version of Neville, and no war resolution would
ever reach the floor of the Senate.

What exactly would happen if Congress "couldn't"
decide?"<END QUOTE>

Dithering would be a high-risk political strategy for the President
and a Democratic Senate. When Neville Chamberlain promised "Peace in
our time" after meeting with Hitler, he was doing something that
seemed perfectly reasonable on that day. And yet, Chamberlain has
been damned by history as the man who appeased Adolf Hitler.
President Obama would risk being damned as a modern day Neville
Chamberlain who appeased the Chinese.

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**** China's military strength
****


There were widely varied opinions about China's military strength:

<QUOTE>"A nuclear holocaust might be a tad bit
premature. We're not really sure what China's nuclear capability
is, specifically their ability to hit the US. Couple of points:

Until the 1990s, their primary nuclear target was the Soviet
Union. China is notorious for stockpiling archaic military
equipment, even if it doesn't work.

Even if Obama's military and nuclear cuts hit before any war with
China, our nuclear capability far exceeds theirs. The Chinese
government knows this.

China probably has around 500 - 600 nuclear weapons and enough
materials to build another 400 over a few years. But the US is not
China's only target. Some of those weapons have to be kept aimed
at India and Russia, both nuclear powers. Many of China's warheads
are mounted on train-track based launchers that are pointed north,
northwest. China would be risking a Russian retaliatory strike by
launching those warheads.

Many, as high as 20%, of China's warheads are gravity bombs
designed to be dropped by late WWII style bombers.

China does not have force projection capabilities. They have one
carrier in partial service and with a small air wing. They have no
long range amphibious assault ships. They cannot establish a
perimeter line, like the Japanese, that could keep US forces away
from mainland China. And China does not have the nuclear ability
to knock the US out of any fight. They can position diesel
electric subs at choke points in an attempt to ambush US carrier
groups. That does nothing about the USAF and China would be
gambling their entire sub force.

A far more realistic scenario would be a Chinese invasion of
easier targets in the region. Picture The Philippines, Okinawa,
and/or Taiwan. If the US intervened, China would use a limited
number of nuclear weapons on nations that could provide the US
with military bases, specifically Japan. Hitting Japan would have
the bonus of hitting the US economy. China will be betting on the
US not retaliating with nuclear weapons if the US is not the
target. China would then fortify their gains and simply wait for
the US to go bankrupt. Once that happens, China would be free to
begin expanding its control throughout the remainder of South East
Asia and the Pacific unopposed."<END QUOTE>

Another reader pointed out:

<QUOTE>"Based on what we know, the DF21 "carrier killer"
missile shown in the photo has never been tested on seaborne
targets."<END QUOTE>

However, one more reader said that China's military capabilities are
far more advanced than we realize:

<QUOTE>"What most people don't realize is that most of
China's infrastructure is dual-use civilian/military. That is,
every train, plane, truck, railway, road, you name it, is designed
for military use, as well as civilian use. For example, in a
matter of weeks, all of China's shipping -ALL of it- can literally
be plugged into the military command and control system and
converted for military use. This incluse 'plug and play' cargo,
missile and weapons systems for their cargo ships and civilian
aircraft.

In short, they held an arms race...and no one else showed up.

What set them off was America's victory in the first gulf
war. They paid attention and began to redesign their entire
military and civilian infrastructure. They also reworked their
military philosophy. For over twenty years, they've been preparing
to fight America in a war.

A probable naval scenario: Imagine a cargo ship loaded with
disposable anti-ship missile platforms. Precision guided
missiles. Thousands of them. Imagine a US navy task force on the
receiving end of five thousand precision guided
missiles."<END QUOTE>

China is known to be planning "asymmetric warfare," attacking
America's weak points by unconventional means. According to
one reader:

<QUOTE>"Our key vulnerability is cyberattack. We're still not
doing as much as we should to protect ourselves, but we're finally
taking action and it looks like some of our leaders are realizing
how dangerous it is. That'll be the primary method to take down
our capabilities. I would say it would set us back at least a
couple months, probably longer than that. Their optimum time to
strike in that theater would be in the near future.

Our satellites will be the next mode of crippling us. I read in
the 2007 about their anti-satellite and I'd bet that by now
they've got hundreds of anti-satellite missiles ready for use. It
won't take more than a day or two."<END QUOTE>

See also "14-Oct-12 World View -- Huawei scandal exposes potential 'Cyberwar Pearl Harbor' from China"
from last year.

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**** The Chinese threat
****


There were some skeptical remarks, like:

<QUOTE>"With the coming soft or hard landing in China's
economy, using war with a small neighbor, is a sure fire way to
divert the attention of the common person. Look at Argentina did
during the Falkland Island war and ready to do it again. Only a
mistake or believing their own public relations spin will start a
war between the US and PRC."<END QUOTE>

However, the most skeptical remark of all was simply:

<QUOTE>"This is a completely uninformed and ridiculous
article."<END QUOTE>

I knew I would get this kind of criticism, and that's why I put in
links to several Chinese and American sources, so that readers could
verify the information for themselves. However, I would add that
comments like this usually come from someone who couldn't even find
China on a map, let alone have a clue what's going on in the world.

When I was growing up in the 1950s, my school teachers mocked and
ridiculed two sets of people in the 1930s: The ones who, like Herbert
Hoover, believed that "prosperity was just around the corner," even
though the Depression kept worsening, and the ones who ignored the
dangers in Europe and simply took "Peace in our time" for granted.
When I was in school, I never understood how so many people could be
so obviously wrong. Now that the same thing is happening today, I
realize that there are many people who simply can't deal with the
anxiety, and are willing to believe almost anything.

I've been writing about the coming war with China for almost ten
years now. What has been apparent all along is that China isn't
even bothering to hide their intentions. It's not like Russia,
for example, where Vladimir Putin may bash and scorn the West,
but the days of "We will bury you" are long gone.

But the Chinese vocally threaten war somewhere almost on a daily
basis. They have a very different world view that we have. In 2007,
I quoted
Sha Zukang, the Chinese
U.N. ambassador, who said, "one INCH of the territory is more valuable
than the LIVES of our people." With 1.5 billion people, the Chinese
Communist Party (CCP) almost has no choice but to view people as
interchangeable and expendable cogs in a massive wheel of agriculture
and industry. China has made this clear repeatedly. I believe that
it was Lao Tzu in "The Art of War" who said that in a war the side
with the advantage is the side that isn't afraid to die, and the
Chinese aren't afraid to allow millions of their people die if that's
the way to achieve victory.


KEYS: Generational Dynamics, China, Dai Xu, Vietnam, Japan,
Neville Chamberlain

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22-Jan-13 World View -- Coordinated suicide attack in Kabul, Afghanistan

*** 22-Jan-13 World View -- Coordinated suicide attack in Kabul, Afghanistan, part of increasing violence

This morning's key headlines from GenerationalDynamics.com

  • Britain's Prince Harry acknowledges that he killed Taliban insurgents
  • Coordinated suicide attack in Kabul, Afghanistan, part of increasing violence
  • Massive espionage malware targeting governments undetected for 5 years
  • Russia sends planes to Lebanon to evacuate Russians in Syria
  • Will Rogers


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**** Britain's Prince Harry acknowledges that he killed Taliban insurgents
****



Prince Harry with Play Station controller during a VHR (very high readiness) shift

Completing his most recent 4-month tour of duty as "Captain Wales" in
British-controlled Camp Bastion in Helmand province in Afghanistan,
Britain's Prince Harry acknowledged that he's killed Taliban
insurgents serving as a helicopter pilot, though he won't reveal how
many. He said it was sometimes justified to "take a life to save a
life. That's what we revolve around, I suppose." Prince Harry, third
in line to the British throne, and considered to be the world's most
eligible bachelor, has frequently expressed his feelings that he'd
rather be in Afghanistan service with his comrades, than back in
London living the posh royal life. He presents a problem for the
army, however, because it would be a major public relations coup for
the Taliban if they succeeded in killing him, and they've expressed
their determination to target him in the past. CNN and Daily Mail (London)

****
**** Coordinated suicide attack in Kabul, Afghanistan, part of increasing violence
****


The Taliban has claimed responsibility for an 8-hour assault, with
suicide bombings and gunfire from automatic rifles, on the the
headquarters of the Kabul traffic police in Afghanistan. This was the
second major attack in Kabul in less than a week. Last week, six
suicide bombers attack the National Directorate of Security, killing
two guards. Terrorist violence across Afghanistan has been increasing
during the last 12 months, raising doubts about the success of the
Afghan security forces after the Nato forces leave. Apparently the
Taliban terrorists are changing their strategy as the Nato forces
leave, specifically targeting the Afghan security forces. According
to a government official, "Honestly speaking, this type of attack, at
the start of the year, indicates the coming months are going to be
tough." Reuters

****
**** Massive espionage malware targeting governments undetected for 5 years
****


Researchers have uncovered an ongoing, large-scale computer espionage
network, dubbed Red October, that's targeting hundreds of diplomatic,
governmental, and scientific organizations in at least 39 countries,
including the Russia, Iran, and the United States. The highly
coordinated campaign, has been active since 2007, raising the
possibility it has already siphoned up hundreds of terabytes of
sensitive information. It uses more than 1,000 distinct modules that
have never been seen before to customize attack profiles for each
victim. Among other things, components target individual PCs,
networking equipment from Cisco Systems, and smartphones from Apple,
Microsoft, and Nokia. The main purpose of the campaign is to gather
classified information and geopolitical intelligence. Stolen
credentials were compiled and used later when the attackers needed to
guess secret phrases in other locations. Although China is thought to
be the perpetrator, there's no evidence to link the attack to China or
to any other particular nation-state. Ars Technica

****
**** Russia sends planes to Lebanon to evacuate Russians in Syria
****


Because it's too dangerous now to fly into Damascus airport, Russia is
sending evacuation planes to Beirut, Lebanon, to evacuate Russians who
wish to return to Russia. There are some 150 people, mainly women and
children, waiting for the planes to arrive. Russia has contingency
plans to evacuate thousands of its nationals from Syria, using planes
and sea vessels. Most are Russian women married to Syrians. The move
is considered to be one more sign that Russia is having increasing
doubts about Syrian president Bashar al-Assad's ability to stay in
power. Daily Star (Beirut)

****
**** Will Rogers
****


"Everything is changing. People are taking the comedians seriously and
the politicians as a joke." -- Will Rogers


KEYS: Generational Dynamics, Prince Harry, Captain Wales,
Taliban, Afghanistan, Camp Bastion, Helmand Province,
Kabul, Red October, Russia, Lebanon, Syria, Bashar al-Assad,
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I recall a news report about refugees going from Syria to Iraq. A few years back there were news reports about refugees-nonMuslim minorities-being driven out of Iraq. A preview of the near future?







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Quote Originally Posted by TimWalker View Post
I recall a news report about refugees going from Syria to Iraq. A few years back there were news reports about refugees-nonMuslim minorities-being driven out of Iraq. A preview of the near future?
Hundreds of thousands of refugees -- Muslim and Christian -- have been
pouring out of Syria into all of Syria's neighbors -- Turkey, Iraq,
Jordan, Lebanon. These countries have tried to accommodate all the
refugees but their resources are being strained. This has been going
on since the beginning of the Syrian conflict, but the trickle has
turned into a flood in recent months. This story about Russian
refugees is a relatively recent angle.







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Evacuating ones own citizens may be one of the few interventions that will work anymore.







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23-Jan-13 World View -- China warns Australia not to side with America in case of war

*** 23-Jan-13 World View -- China warns Australia not to side with America in case of war

This morning's key headlines from GenerationalDynamics.com

  • China warns Australia not to side with America in case of war
  • Philippines seeks U.N. arbitration over South China Sea dispute
  • China increases surveillance in the South China Sea
  • U.S. begins transporting French soldiers to Mali


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**** China warns Australia not to side with America in case of war
****



Liu Mingfu

Senior Colonel Liu Mingfu of China's National Defence University
has raised the specter of a nuclear war, and warned Australia not
to side with America and Japan. Liu is not an official spokesman
for China, but his views are approved. Referring to the
dispute between Japan and China over the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands,
Liu said that China was prepared to fight "to the death":

<QUOTE>"America is the global tiger and Japan is Asia's wolf
and both are now madly biting China. Of all the animals, Chinese
people hate the wolf the most.

If this Japanese wolf again attacks America's Pearl Harbor or
Australia's Darwin, how do you know it wouldn't receive another
nuclear bomb? The world would hail if Japan receives such a blow.

I don't want to mention China here, as it is sensitive. ...

[Australia should play the role of a] kind-hearted
lamb. ''Australia should never play the jackal for the tiger or
dance with the wolf."<END QUOTE>

See also: "19-Jan-13 World View -- China's directive to the People's Liberation Army: Get Ready for War"

The Age (Australia) and International Business Times (Australia)

****
**** Philippines seeks U.N. arbitration over South China Sea dispute
****


The Philippines took a desperate legal step on Tuesday, formally
notifying China that it's seeking international arbitration under the
1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS). China
has used its military to block Philippines' access to the Scarborough
Shoal, which is part of Philippines exclusive economic zone (EEZ)
under UNCLOS. China has made it clear that they are going to use
their military power to take control of the entire South China Sea,
including several regions that have historically belonged to other
countries, following a policy similar to Hitler's "Lebensraum" policy.
They've announced that they intend to begin boarding and seizing
control of other countries' ships in the South China Sea. At a news
conference, Philippines Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario said:

<QUOTE>"This afternoon, the Philippines has taken the step of
bringing China before an arbitral tribunal under ... the 1982
United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (Unclos) in order
to achieve a peaceful and durable solution to the dispute over the
West Philippine Sea. [Since 1995, the Philippines has exhausted
almost] all political and diplomatic avenues for a peaceful
negotiated settlement of its maritime dispute with China.

On numerous occasions, dating back to 1995, the Philippines has
been exchanging views with China to peacefully settle these
disputes. [However, up until] this day, a solution is still
elusive."<END QUOTE>

According to one Chinese diplomat, "We are not afraid of UNCLOS.
Manila underestimates our knowledge at its peril." Manila Standard and South China Morning Post (Hong Kong)

****
**** China increases surveillance in the South China Sea
****


Two additional fleets of Chinese marine surveillance ships are
carrying out separate patrol missions in the South China Sea. (I
assume that these are the fleets that will support China's announced
policy of boarding and seizing foreign ships.) China says that it
will continue to carry out regular patrols in the East and South China
Seas "to secure the nation's maritime rights and interests." Xinhua

****
**** U.S. begins transporting French soldiers to Mali
****


U.S. Air Force C-17 transport planes have begun flights from the French
base in Istres, France, to Bamako, carrying French troops and
equipment. 3,150 French troops will be involved in the Mali
operation, code-named "Operation Serval," and the transport missions
will operate for several more days, according to the U.S. military's
Africa Command, which is based in Stuttgart, Germany. AP


KEYS: Generational Dynamics, China, Liu Mingfu, Australia,
Japan, Senkaku, Diaoyu, Philippines, South China Sea,
Albert del Rosario, UNCLOS, Mali, C-17 transport, France,
Operation Serval

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I have been having trouble posting an article. In a nutshell, Japan is poised to aquire nuclear weapons, based on their space program and civilian nuclear power.
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24-Jan-13 WorldView-Furious Chinese blasts Philippines for seeking arbitration

*** 24-Jan-13 World View -- Furious Chinese spokesman blasts Philippines for seeking arbitration

This morning's key headlines from GenerationalDynamics.com

  • Egypt's president Morsi opposes France's intervention in Mali
  • Polio virus found in Cairo, blamed on Pakistan
  • Furious Chinese spokesman blasts Philippines for seeking arbitration
  • Cameron proposes referendum on Britain staying in EU
  • Emails show evidence of Morgan Stanley fraud in financial crisis
  • House Republicans kick the can down the road
  • Hillary Clinton: 'What difference does it make?'


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**** Egypt's president Morsi opposes France's intervention in Mali
****



Mali - battle map for Wednesday (France 24)

Egypt's president Mohamed Morsi says that he would have
preferred a more "peaceful and developmental" approach to the
crisis in Mali than France's military intervention:

<QUOTE>"We do not accept at all the military intervention in
Mali because it will fuel conflict in the region."<END QUOTE>

And, he certainly may be correct about that. However, he declared
support for Algeria's retaliatory action against Islamist militants
who took hundreds of hostages at a natural gas plant, resulting in the
deaths of 37 workers. Morsi's statement may strain Egypt's ties with
France, but according to one analyst Morsi had no choice, as the rift
between secular and liberal forces in Egypt versus the Islamist
government is widening. ""Coming down on the side of a European
military power against an 'Islamist' regime — however brutal — could
put him at risk of losing his political base." Global Post and France 24

****
**** Polio virus found in Cairo, blamed on Pakistan
****


For the first time since 2004, the polio virus has been found in
Cairo, after it had been thought to be eradicated throughout Egypt.
The World Health Organization (WHO) discovered the virus in sewage
water found in parts of Cairo, though no cases of human infection have
been reported so far. The strain of the virus found in Cairo is
identical to a strain found in Pakistan. Pakistan's vaccination
program has been opposed by the Taliban, who claim that it's a secret
American plan to sterilize Pakistanis, to prevent the births of more
Muslim children. This opposition has increased since the
U.S. administration, in the process of bragging about having killed
Osama bin Laden, revealed that a phony vaccination program was used to
help establish the identity of bin Laden. In December, terrorists
murdered nine health workers involved in the vaccination program in
Pakistan. Pakistan has ordered the immunization of all children
leaving the country, in an attempt to halt the spread abroad.
Daily News Egypt and Express Tribune (Islamabad)

****
**** Furious Chinese spokesman blasts Philippines for seeking arbitration
****


An angry Hong Lei, spokesman from China's foreign ministry, blasted
the Philippines for referring the dispute with China over the
Scarborough Shoal in the South China Sea to the United Nations
International Tribunal on the Law of the Sea (ITLOS). According to
Hong:

<QUOTE>"China has consistently opposed the Philippines’
illegal occupation ...

“We hope that the relevant country honors its promises, and
... does not take any action to complicate or expand the
problem."<END QUOTE>

China criticizes actions that "complicate or expand" the problem.
They'd like to keep things simple. They've stationed the military
around the South China Sea, taken over islands that have historically
belonged to other countries, announced that they would board and seize
foreign ships that enter the South China Sea, and threaten war on an
almost daily basis. The Chinese have learned their lessons well from
Hitler's Nazi thugs. Philippine Star and Global Times (Beijing)

****
**** Cameron proposes referendum on Britain staying in EU
****


Britain's prime minister David Cameron finally gave his long-awaited
speech on whether he thinks that Britain should remain in the European
Union. There is an extremely vocal minority of people in his own
party who are demanding that the question be put to a referendum vote.
Cameron said that if he were re-elected in the next election, then he
would call a referendum vote in 2018. In the meantime, he's demanding
that Britain be exempt from certain rules that limit the control of
immigration and that forbid any work week longer than 48 hours.
However, other European leaders were caustically critical, calling it
selfish, ignorant and dangerous. Germany's foreign minister said that
"Cherry-picking is not an option." France's foreign minister said
that it was as if Britain had joined a football club and then suddenly
said "let's play rugby". Most of the criticism of Cameron was
centered on the complaint that his speech would worsen the financial
crisis by creating greater uncertainty in the financial markets.
Reuters

****
**** Emails show evidence of Morgan Stanley fraud in financial crisis
****


Thanks to a case brought by a Taiwanese bank that lost hundreds of
millions of dollars on toxic synthetic subprime mortgage-backed
securities sold to them by Morgan Stanley, Morgan Stanley has been
forced to release hundreds of pages of internal documents showing that
their employees were well aware that the securities they were selling,
typically rated "AAA", were in fact defective and would turn out to be
almost worthless. The documents show a pattern of behavior by people
across the bank. The toxic securities were packaged as a CDO called
"Stack 2006-1," but e-mail messages show that bank employees suggested
calling it "Subprime Meltdown," "Hitman," "Nuclear Holocaust," "Mike
Tyson's Punchout," and the simple-yet-direct: "Shitbag." Even as
early as October 2005, an e-mail message shows that the mortgage loans
going into the toxic securities were troubled:

<QUOTE>"The real issue is that the loan requests do not make
sense. [For example,] a borrower that makes $12K a month as an
operation manager of an unknown company — after research on my
part I reveal it is a tarot reading house. Compound these issues
with the fact that we are seeing what I would call a lot of this
type of profile."<END QUOTE>

The really damning e-mail messages are from early 2007, when it was
clear to everyone that the subprime real estate market was collapsing.
Instead of ending the sale of these toxic securities, or at least
warning investors of the danger, Morgan Stanley bankers doubled down
on selling the fraudulent securities to investors, including the
Taiwanese bank now suing them.

This is consistent with EXACTLY the point that I've been making for
almost five years. Sales of these toxic securities skyrocketed in
2007, when it was becoming clear that the models on which they were
based (that assumed that the real estate bubble would continue to grow
forever) were catastrophically faulty. This is undeniable
circumstantial evidence that the bankers were knowingly committing
fraud.

This new collection of evidence from Morgan Stanley proves that this
interpretation of the circumstantial evidence was exactly correct.
And yet, the Obama administration has adamantly refused to investigate
and prosecute the bankers who perpetrated these crimes. Eric Holder's
Justice Dept. could easily have subpoenaed these same e-mail messages
at any time and brought criminal charges, but they refused to do so
because these bankers have been making huge campaign contributions to
the Obama campaign. It makes me want to vomit.

I want to address the claim that all these bankers make -- that it was
OK to defraud the investors in these toxic securities because they
were "sophisticated investors." Just to take one example of what this
means, I had a conversation with the CFO of Digimarc Corp. in August
2007, that I've previously written about.
("How Boomers and Generation-Xers brought about the dumbing down of Information Technology (IT)")

That CFO was a "sophisticated investor," but he told me that he kept
things simple by only investing in AAA rated securities. We now know
that banks like Morgan Stanley colluded with ratings agencies like
Moody's to give toxic securities AAA ratings. So the fraud was
specifically designed to target these sophisticated investors, who
depended on people who turned out to be crooks. Pro Publica

****
**** House Republicans kick the can down the road
****


In a move that supports the "Kick the Can Theory," which says that
Washington will never do anything but kick the can down the road, same
as Greece and Europe, the House of Representatives passed a bill that
will raise the debt ceiling for three months, until May (at which time
it will undoubtedly be raised again). However, the bill contains a
joke: Lawmakers will not get paid unless they pass a budget in the
next three months. The reason that this is a complete joke is because
even if they stop getting paid for a while, they'll just pass another
law to get all their back pay plus interest. It's all a big joke.
Ha, ha. The Hill

****
**** Hillary Clinton: 'What difference does it make?'
****


I really had to chuckle at Hillary Clinton's expressions of
outrage at being questioned about the Benghazi coverup, when
she angrily said:

<QUOTE>"With all due respect, the fact is, we had four dead
Americans–was it because of a protest or because of guys out for a
walk one night and decided to go kill some Americans? What
difference at this point does it make?"<END QUOTE>

Someone should have reminded her that she served as an advisor to the
Democrats on the Senate Watergate coverup committee, and that nobody
died at Watergate. Huffington Post


KEYS: Generational Dynamics, Egypt, Mohamed Morsi, Mali, France,
Algeria, Polio, Pakistan, Taliban, China,
Philippines, Scarborough Shoal,
International Tribunal on the Law of the Sea, ITLOS,
Britain, David Cameron, Germany, Morgan Stanley,
House of Representatives, debt ceiling,
Hillary Clinton, Benghazi, Watergate

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I am confused about one of the quotes-are the Chinese warning the Americans and Australians that Japan will again bomb Darwin and Pearl Harbor?







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Quote Originally Posted by TimWalker View Post
I am confused about one of the quotes-are the Chinese warning the Americans and Australians that Japan will again bomb Darwin and Pearl Harbor?
I read it more as a warning that all sorts of crazy shit happens when countries start to fight, and that Australia isn't really in a location or of a capacity that would see them getting off easy if they were to decide to jump into a fray. The references to Darwin were more of a reminder of the kinds of bad stuff that can happen, and Australia's particular vulnerability to it.
"Qu'est-ce que c'est que cela, la loi ? On peut donc être dehors. Je ne comprends pas. Quant à moi, suis-je dans la loi ? suis-je hors la loi ? Je n'en sais rien. Mourir de faim, est-ce être dans la loi ?" -- Tellmarch

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is no doubt obvious, the cult of the experts is both self-serving, for those who propound it, and fraudulent." - Noam Chomsky







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Awhile back I came across a web site...in which a hope was expressed that Indonesia could serve as a glacis for Australia. Concievably, a neutral Indonesia might at least serve as something as a buffer-though Australia would still be vulnerable.
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Quote Originally Posted by TimWalker View Post
Awhile back I came across a web site...in which a hope was expressed that Indonesia could serve as a glacis for Australia. Concievably, a neutral Indonesia might at least serve as something as a buffer-though Australia would still be vulnerable.
Indonesia, like everyone else, will be forced to choose sides.







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Quote Originally Posted by John J. Xenakis View Post
Indonesia, like everyone else, will be forced to choose sides.
Who's going to force them (and 'everybody else', for that matter)?
"Qu'est-ce que c'est que cela, la loi ? On peut donc être dehors. Je ne comprends pas. Quant à moi, suis-je dans la loi ? suis-je hors la loi ? Je n'en sais rien. Mourir de faim, est-ce être dans la loi ?" -- Tellmarch

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Quote Originally Posted by Justin '77 View Post
Who's going to force them (and 'everybody else', for that matter)?
1. Indonesia is the world's most populous Muslim state. They will
join with Pakistan and the Arab states in jihad against the West, and
will be allies of China.

2. China's naval objective is to control the sea lanes all the
way to Sudan in Africa. A major choke point is in the Strait
of Malacca, and in a war this will certainly be mined or bombed.
This means that both sides will seeks ports in Indonesia, with
or without the consent of the government.

As for "everybody else," this is the Clash of Civilizations world
war, and in a world war everybody has to make a choice.

(By the way, Russia will enter the war on the side of India.)







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Quote Originally Posted by John J. Xenakis View Post
1. Indonesia is the world's most populous Muslim state. They will
join with Pakistan and the Arab states in jihad against the West, and
will be allies of China.
And you've met exactly how many Indonesians to consult with them?

...yeah.

As for "everybody else," this is the Clash of Civilizations world
war, and in a world war everybody has to make a choice.
I suppose when you assume a narrative for the world that insists things go a certain way, then things must necessarily go that way (if your narrative is to happen). It's pretty damn circular and lacking any, you know, hard evidence. But different strokes for different folks.

(By the way, Russia will enter the war on the side of India.)
How terribly silly. And a bit sad, too.
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Quote Originally Posted by Justin '77 View Post
How terribly silly. And a bit sad, too.
As I recall from days long past, your view is that Russia's crisis era
occurred in the 1990s and is already past, even though there was no
regeneracy and no climax. I really think you'd better prepare
yourself for something worse.







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25-Jan-13 World View -- China urges restraint after North Korea nuclear threat

*** 25-Jan-13 World View -- China urges restraint after North Korea nuclear threat

This morning's key headlines from GenerationalDynamics.com

  • North Korea threatens U.S. with nuclear missile attack
  • North Korea ready to conduct nuclear test within several days
  • China calls for restraint by all parties
  • Britain, Germany, Netherlands say: 'Leave Benghazi immediately'


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**** North Korea threatens U.S. with nuclear missile attack
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Kim Jong-un, the young North Korean dictator

An English-language statement issued by the National Defense
Commission, broadcast by the Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) of
North Korea or DPRK (Democratic People's Republic of Korea):

<QUOTE>"We will carry out further tests involving a variety
of satellites and long-range rockets as well as a high-level
nuclear test. And we make it clear that all these tests will
target the U.S., the sworn enemy of the people.

We do not hide that a variety of satellites and long-range rockets
which will be launched by the DPRK one after another and a nuclear
test of higher level which will be carried out by it in the
upcoming all-out action, a new phase of the anti-U.S. struggle
that has lasted century after century, will target against the
U.S., the sworn enemy of the Korean people.

The new U.N. Security Council resolution is proof that hostile
U.S. policies toward North Korea have entered a more dangerous
stage. The only way to draw a conclusion with the U.S. is not
through dialogue but through weapons."<END QUOTE>

The DPRK was reacting to the unanimous censure, by the United Nations
Security Council earlier this week, to North Korea's December 12
long-range missile test. At the time, they insisted that the test was
for peaceful purposes only, to put satellites into orbit. The new
statement is an admission that they were lying, which is no surprise
to anyone. Dong-a Ilbo (Seoul) and Yonhap Ilbo (Seoul)

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**** North Korea ready to conduct nuclear test within several days
****


According to a North Korean source accessed by South Korea, North
Korea has already finished preparations for a new nuclear test:

<QUOTE>"North Korea has dug tunnels for its third nuclear
test at its test site in Punggye-ri, North Hamkyong Province, and
completed sealing the tunnels with concrete after installing test
equipment and connecting cables for observation."<END QUOTE>

The South Korean military says that the North is ready to conduct the
test within several days. Dong-a Ilbo (Seoul)

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**** China calls for restraint by all parties
****


China voted in favor of the U.N. Security Council resolution censuring
North Korea for the long-range missile test, indicating that China is
increasingly willing to criticize its client. China's Foreign
Ministry called for calm and restraint from all concerned parties:

<QUOTE>"It is in the common interests of all parties
concerned to maintain peace and stability on the Korean Peninsula
and achieve the denuclearization of the peninsula.

(We) hope all concerned parties will keep calm and act in a
cautious and prudent way, as well as refrain from taking any
action that could lead to the progressive escalation of
tensions."<END QUOTE>

North Korea's new young generation dictator, Kim Jong-un, has now had
a year to decide what he wants to do, and it appears that he's decided
that everything that any Western leaders or any Chinese leaders tell
him is completely full of crap. VOA and China Daily (Beijing)

****
**** Britain, Germany, Netherlands say: 'Leave Benghazi immediately'
****


Britain, Germany and the Netherlands have been told to leave Benghazi,
Libya, immediately because of an unnamed "specific, imminent threat"
to Westerners. According to Britain's Foreign and Commonwealth Office
(FCO):

<QUOTE>"We are aware of a specific, imminent threat to
Westerners in Benghazi. We advise against all travel to Benghazi
and urge any British nationals who are there against our advice to
leave immediately.

We advise against all but essential travel to Tripoli .... We
advise against all travel to all other areas of Libya, including
Benghazi.

There is a high threat from terrorism. Attacks could be
indiscriminate, including in places frequented by expatriates and
foreign travelers. ... There is a threat of kidnapping in Libya.

Following French military intervention in Mali, there is a
possibility of retaliatory attacks targeting Western interests in
the region. We advise vigilance. ... You should avoid any
demonstrations or large gatherings of people. If you become aware
of any nearby violence you should leave the area immediately.

Violent clashes between armed groups are possible across the
country, particularly at night, and even in those places that have
previously avoided conflict. These often include the use of heavy
weapons."<END QUOTE>

Libya's government is saying that they were "very surprised" by the
announcement, and complained that they weren't even notified about it
in advance. BBC
and Foreign and Commonwealth Office


KEYS: Generational Dynamics, North Korea, DPRK, KCNA,
South Korea, China, Kim Jong-un, Britain,
Germany, Netherlands, Benghazi, Libya

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Post#322 at 01-24-2013 11:13 PM by Justin '77 [at Meh. joined Sep 2001 #posts 12,182]
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Quote Originally Posted by John J. Xenakis View Post
As I recall from days long past, your view is that Russia's crisis era
occurred in the 1990s and is already past, even though there was no
regeneracy and no climax. I really think you'd better prepare
yourself for something worse.
Except, of course, that there was indeed a regeneracy and a climax in the 90s in Russia. As there was about eighty years previous to that. As there was about eighty years previous to that. War cycles are a myth (or at least, fail to actually line up to any real historical movements). Social cycles, on the other hand, seem so far to be pretty easily observable. As I recall, you think that T4T is one of those first...
"Qu'est-ce que c'est que cela, la loi ? On peut donc être dehors. Je ne comprends pas. Quant à moi, suis-je dans la loi ? suis-je hors la loi ? Je n'en sais rien. Mourir de faim, est-ce être dans la loi ?" -- Tellmarch

"Человек не может снять с себя ответственности за свои поступки." - L. Tolstoy

"[it]
is no doubt obvious, the cult of the experts is both self-serving, for those who propound it, and fraudulent." - Noam Chomsky







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Quote Originally Posted by Justin '77 View Post
And you've met exactly how many Indonesians to consult with them?

...yeah.

I suppose when you assume a narrative for the world that insists things go a certain way, then things must necessarily go that way (if your narrative is to happen). It's pretty damn circular and lacking any, you know, hard evidence. But different strokes for different folks.

How terribly silly. And a bit sad, too.
he lives in Neocon fantasy land, no reasoning with that.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.

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We infidels all look alike.







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My thought about the sea lanes is, when American influence wanes, is that the seas will either become a patchwork of "lakes" for rising powers (my most optimistic scenario), or else the sea lanes will be closed by asymetric warfare (my second best scenario).
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