Re: Lambaste
In order to function effectively, the military must very often be able to work in secrecy. This is an inescapable fact of life.Originally Posted by Bob Butler 54
Which is why the military is necessarily so dependent on a culture of honesty, and why whoever was involved in this is going to have to be dealt with harshly.
Re: Military Cult
In short, you don't have any either. As I suspected.Any other option you would reject out of hand so there is no point even discussing it.
But you're right that any option, in real-world terms, had to be something we could implement either unilaterally, or independent of the decaying UN/NATO system. Europe simply was not aboard, no matter what.
Re: Military Cult
In short, you don't have any either. As I suspected.Any other option you would reject out of hand so there is no point even discussing it.
But you're right that any option, in real-world terms, had to be something we could implement either unilaterally, or independent of the decaying UN/NATO system. Europe simply was not aboard, no matter what.
Unfortunately, not everyone involved in such activities (as with any activities) is so ethical.
The thought has crossed my mind that one possible reason for the taking of the photographs might be related to that.
Unfortunately, not everyone involved in such activities (as with any activities) is so ethical.
The thought has crossed my mind that one possible reason for the taking of the photographs might be related to that.
Awhile back it was posted to another thread a comment that we are returning to a 19th century pattern-each political viewpoint has its own source of news.
Perhaps the 21st version will be that each political viewpoint has its own favored bloggers, web rings, and of course PIRGS (Public Interest Research Groups).
Awhile back it was posted to another thread a comment that we are returning to a 19th century pattern-each political viewpoint has its own source of news.
Perhaps the 21st version will be that each political viewpoint has its own favored bloggers, web rings, and of course PIRGS (Public Interest Research Groups).
Re: Lambaste
Keeping metods, sources, capabilities, future plans and other tactical advantages secret from the enemy is part of warfare. Keeping war crimes secret from Congress, the press, and the People is something else entirely. Agreed, a military culture of honesty and discipline is vital. It is also vital, when the system of honesty and discipline is broken, that yes, this is going to have to be dealt with harshly.In order to function effectively, the military must very often be able to work in secrecy. This is an inescapable fact of life.
Which is why the military is necessarily so dependent on a culture of honesty, and why whoever was involved in this is going to have to be dealt with harshly.
Re: Lambaste
Keeping metods, sources, capabilities, future plans and other tactical advantages secret from the enemy is part of warfare. Keeping war crimes secret from Congress, the press, and the People is something else entirely. Agreed, a military culture of honesty and discipline is vital. It is also vital, when the system of honesty and discipline is broken, that yes, this is going to have to be dealt with harshly.In order to function effectively, the military must very often be able to work in secrecy. This is an inescapable fact of life.
Which is why the military is necessarily so dependent on a culture of honesty, and why whoever was involved in this is going to have to be dealt with harshly.
Me Too
I haven't found anything that compares with our beloved T4T forum. It teaches me something important almost everytime I hop by for a visit.
--Sir Ernest Croakmore
Me Too
I haven't found anything that compares with our beloved T4T forum. It teaches me something important almost everytime I hop by for a visit.
--Sir Ernest Croakmore
Re: Me Too
Such as . . . that Ontogeny Recapitulates Phylogeny (soft form) RULES!!!I haven't found anything that compares with our beloved T4T forum. It teaches me something important almost everytime I hop by for a visit.
--Sir Ernest Croakmore
Americans have had enough of glitz and roar . . Foreboding has deepened, and spiritual currents have darkened . . .
THE FOURTH TURNING IS AT HAND.
See T4T, p. 253.
Re: Me Too
Such as . . . that Ontogeny Recapitulates Phylogeny (soft form) RULES!!!I haven't found anything that compares with our beloved T4T forum. It teaches me something important almost everytime I hop by for a visit.
--Sir Ernest Croakmore
Americans have had enough of glitz and roar . . Foreboding has deepened, and spiritual currents have darkened . . .
THE FOURTH TURNING IS AT HAND.
See T4T, p. 253.
Re: Me Too
Me thinks The Commoner is quilty again of propagating Haeckel's Lie.Such as . . . that Ontogeny Recapitulates Phylogeny (soft form) RULES!!!I haven't found anything that compares with our beloved T4T forum. It teaches me something important almost everytime I hop by for a visit.
--Sir Ernest Croakmore
Re: Me Too
Me thinks The Commoner is quilty again of propagating Haeckel's Lie.Such as . . . that Ontogeny Recapitulates Phylogeny (soft form) RULES!!!I haven't found anything that compares with our beloved T4T forum. It teaches me something important almost everytime I hop by for a visit.
--Sir Ernest Croakmore
Croakmore:
Without daring to come between you and Mr. Love, it might work better if you find a non-creationist source to link in support of your statement.
Just a thought.
Croakmore:
Without daring to come between you and Mr. Love, it might work better if you find a non-creationist source to link in support of your statement.
Just a thought.
Oops, you're right about that, Brian. I suppose it is worth mentioning here von Baer's Law.
Quoting S. J. Gould from his Ontogeny and Phylogeny:
Von Baer argued that human gill slits do not reflect a change in developmental timing. They are not adult stages of ancestors pushed back into the embryos of descendants; they merely represent a stage common to the early ontogeny of all vertebrates (embryonic fish also have gill slits, after all). The confusion between von Baer and Haeckel arises from an unfortunate tradition in natural history, the emphasis of results and their classification rather than processes and their explanation.
I know Creationists will seize upon anything they think will make their case, even if they don't understand the operating principles.
--Croak
Oops, you're right about that, Brian. I suppose it is worth mentioning here von Baer's Law.
Quoting S. J. Gould from his Ontogeny and Phylogeny:
Von Baer argued that human gill slits do not reflect a change in developmental timing. They are not adult stages of ancestors pushed back into the embryos of descendants; they merely represent a stage common to the early ontogeny of all vertebrates (embryonic fish also have gill slits, after all). The confusion between von Baer and Haeckel arises from an unfortunate tradition in natural history, the emphasis of results and their classification rather than processes and their explanation.
I know Creationists will seize upon anything they think will make their case, even if they don't understand the operating principles.
--Croak
Re: Military Cult
What are you talking about? You asked about alternatives to religion for constructing moral rules.In short, you don't have any either. As I suspected.Any other option you would reject out of hand so there is no point even discussing it.
But you're right that any option, in real-world terms, had to be something we could implement either unilaterally, or independent of the decaying UN/NATO system. Europe simply was not aboard, no matter what.
Re: Military Cult
What are you talking about? You asked about alternatives to religion for constructing moral rules.In short, you don't have any either. As I suspected.Any other option you would reject out of hand so there is no point even discussing it.
But you're right that any option, in real-world terms, had to be something we could implement either unilaterally, or independent of the decaying UN/NATO system. Europe simply was not aboard, no matter what.
This is horrible. It's photos of the beheading by al Qaeda of Nick Berg, an American contractor in Iraq in retaliation for the abuse at Abu Ghraib. The same thing happened to Daniel Pearl, an American reporter in Pakistan, IIRC, also by an al Qaeda-linked group.
http://informationclearinghouse.info/article6172.htm
Why are we pussyfooting around with al Qaeda anyways? This Abu Musab al-Zarqawi probably has family somewhere. Bin Laden sure as hell does.
This is horrible. It's photos of the beheading by al Qaeda of Nick Berg, an American contractor in Iraq in retaliation for the abuse at Abu Ghraib. The same thing happened to Daniel Pearl, an American reporter in Pakistan, IIRC, also by an al Qaeda-linked group.
http://informationclearinghouse.info/article6172.htm
Why are we pussyfooting around with al Qaeda anyways? This Abu Musab al-Zarqawi probably has family somewhere. Bin Laden sure as hell does.
It is horrible. And predicted. Said predictions ignored. Repeatedly.
-sigh-
(by the way, in your last sentence are you advocating doing something :shock: to the families of those worthies? At least some of whom, quite probably, have done you even less harm than the American mercenary did to his Iraqi murderers? How does this make you any better than them?)
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"The absolute ruler may be a Nero, but he is sometimes Titus or Marcus Aurelius; the people is often Nero, and never Marcus Aurelius" -- Kuehnelt-Leddihn
It is horrible. And predicted. Said predictions ignored. Repeatedly.
-sigh-
(by the way, in your last sentence are you advocating doing something :shock: to the families of those worthies? At least some of whom, quite probably, have done you even less harm than the American mercenary did to his Iraqi murderers? How does this make you any better than them?)
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"The absolute ruler may be a Nero, but he is sometimes Titus or Marcus Aurelius; the people is often Nero, and never Marcus Aurelius" -- Kuehnelt-Leddihn
