US elections, 2016
This forum is intended for a discussion of US elections of 2016, including the Presidency of the United States. Please do not discuss elections other than the Presidency in this Forum unless they are germane to the Presidency until after the 2014 general election unless they are elections to be decided only in 2016 (for now that includes the Presidency and all Senate seats up for grabs in 2016).
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
I hope to be yelling: "Four more years! Four more years!" come this election.
j.p.
"And did you get what you wanted from this life, even so? I did. And what did you want? To call myself beloved, to feel myself beloved on the earth." -- Raymond Carver
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Damn... I guess I'll have to start the 2014 election thread then... unless you already did. And if not, then I'm starting the 2020 thread.Originally Posted by pbrower2a
~Chas'88
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."
I did.
The most obvious and settled reality for 2016 is what Senate seats will be up for grabs. Most are winners of 2010, the election that a bunch of Tea Party pols won. Those up for re-election will include:
Richard Shelby, R-AL (1934)
Lisa Murkowski, R-AS (1957)
John McCain, R-AZ (1936)
John Boozman, R-AR (1950)
Barbara Boxer, D-AZ (1940)
Michael Bennett, D-CO (1964)
Richard Blumenthal, D-CT (1946)
Marco Rubio, R-FL (1971)
Johnny Isakson, R-GA (1944)
Daniel Inouye, D-HI (1924)
Mike Crapo, R-ID (1944)
Mark Kirk, R-IL (1959)
Dan Coats, R-IN (1943)
Charles Grassley, R-IA (1933)
Jerry Moran, R-KS (1944)
Rand Paul, R-KY (1963)
David Vitter, R-LA (1961)
Barbara Mikulski, D-MD (1936)
Roy Blunt, R-MO (1950)
Harry Reid, D-NV (1939)
Kelly Ayotte, R-NH (1968)
Chuck Schumer, D-NY (1950)
Richard Burr, R-NC (1955)
Rob Portman, R-OH (1955)
Tom Coburn, R-OK (1948)
Ron Wyden, D-OR (1949)
Pat Toomey, R-PA (1961)
James DeMint, R-SC (1951)
John Thune, R-SD (1952)
Mike Lee, R-UT (1971)
Patrick Leahy, D-NH (1940)
Patty Murray, D-WA (1950)
Ron Johnson, R-WI (1955)
Needless to say, the Senatorial elections of 2010 were a disaster for Democrats. The third class of the Senate is 23 R, 10D. Republicans won some Senate seats in states that have never voted for a Republican nominee for President since 1992, and it will be easy to see which of those will be vulnerable.
The other reality will be the Presidential election, much of whose nature will be set tomorrow.
Last edited by pbrower2a; 11-05-2012 at 04:25 PM.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
Unlikely, but you can dream.
Marx: Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Lennon: You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die.
I hope that we won't be yelling "four more years" in 2016. But I think the texture of that election will depend on which candidate wins tomorrow. If Obama wins things will be up for grabs because there won't be an incumbent running, and the tone will depend on whether we have achieved some semblance of a stable society and economy by that time. Also how many have been able to return to the daily grind of the work world.
You won't be.
And so the 2016 Presidential Election begins...
Chris Christie Denied Mitt Romney Request To Appear At Campaign Event Days Ahead Of 2012 ElectionIf Christie doesn't make a bid for 2016 then I'll eat my hat.BOSTON -- New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, who was effusive in his praise of President Barack Obama when the two leaders toured damage from Hurricane Sandy last week, turned down a request by Mitt Romney to appear with him at a rally on Sunday night in Pennsylvania, The Huffington Post has learned.
~Chas'88
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."
I don't know if we can make too much of this. His expressed feeling is that he has too much to do to help people in his state and do his job, than to be involved with politics now.
It will probably be a non-Democrat. US voters like a switch-up.
Somebody likes the phase I've been using, which Copperfield and Prince don't like:
"For me, President Obama is our best choice because he has a vision of the United States as a place where we are all in this together."
Bruce Springsteen, New Jersey
"We need four more years of repair, of helping the middle class achieve a sustainable economy."
James Taylor, North Carolina
I think the problem is that Christie eats too many hats, or whatever else he eats.
My astro numbers don't look too good for him, although he might have a chance against Hillary. But Paul Ryan has a better chance of winning the nomination, unfortunately, and a good chance of beating Hillary, if she's the nominee.
Yes, I tend to agree. I don't he hob-knobbed with the GOP big wigs this year for nothing.
AND...
1. 4 years is an eternity in politics.
2. Never chase a tiger by the tail.
MBTI step II type : Expressive INTP
There's an annual contest at Bond University, Australia, calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term:
The winning student wrote:
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
I don't see Hillary being the nominee for the Dems IMHO. The only way that would happen is if Obama came out as shiny as gold from his second term. And even then, she'll get the McCain treatment if she ran in 2016 as she inches closer to 70. If anything I think she'd be tired of politics by that point and have earned herself a decent retirement and rest from it.
Also, I think Chelsea is being groomed to go where Momma couldn't. She won't be 2016 ready, but maybe 2020 or 2024...
~Chas'88
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."
True, under normal circumstances. That may be less true if the 4T makes the current GOP model archaic. It happened in the post-New Deal era, until Eisenhower brought a new, more engaged vision to the party. It also happened to the Dems after the ACW.
A 4T should create a paradigm shift, if it's even mildly successful.
Last edited by Marx & Lennon; 11-06-2012 at 01:44 PM.
Marx: Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Lennon: You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die.
Well, we know who will be President for the next four years. Nobody will be shouting "Four more years!" in 2016.
The House has kept the Reactionary majority... and this time President Obama can challenge it as never before. He cannot be defeated in an election. Every member of the House can be defeated in 2014 especially if acting as political robots.
That all changed tonight.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
I do not want to hear one more mumbling word about any future elections, nor ads, nor hysterical pitches for more and more money, nor partisan polemics, until at least August of 2014. And then I want everyone to keep it down to a dull roar.
So -- that said -- the only thing I can think of is that Hillary Clinton's hopes foe 2016 have faded because a younger president has shown himself re-electable. She will be looking rather old by 2016 by comparison, and a bit passe. If Romney had been elected, she'd have come roaring out of the bull pen and into the 2016 candidacy this very morning.
How to spot a shill, by John Michael Greer: "What you watch for is (a) a brand new commenter who (b) has nothing to say about the topic under discussion but (c) trots out a smoothly written opinion piece that (d) hits all the standard talking points currently being used by a specific political or corporate interest, while (e) avoiding any other points anyone else has made on that subject."
"If the shoe fits..." The Grey Badger.
All right, while hanging over at Alternate History.com I've been noticing in the "Future History" section some speculation on the 2016 Election. Here are the future candidates that AH buffs have come up with:
GOP CANDIDATES:
Scott Walker - WI Governor
Chris Christie - NJ Governor
John Thune - SD Senator
Rick Santorum - Former PA Senator
Bob McDonnell - VA Governor
John Huntsman - Former UT Governor
Rick Perry - TX Governor
Susana Martinez - NM Governor
Bobby Jindal - LA Governor
Paul Ryan - Former VP Candidate
Rand Paul - KY Represenative
Jeb Bush - Former FL Governor
Gary Johnson - Former NM Governor & Libertarian Candidate
DEM CANDIDATES:
Martin O'Malley - MD Governor
Andrew Cuomo - NY Governor
Brian Schweitzer - Montana Governor
Jay Nixon - Missouri Governor
Jeff Merkley - OR Senator
Mike Beebe - AK Governor
John Hickenlooper - CO Governor
Mark Warner - VA Governor
Hillary Clinton - Former Sec of State, Former NY Senator
~Chas'88
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."
The Republicans have more political celebrities I see.
Pundits like to mention Marco Rubio for the 2016 Republican nom:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Rubio
Born in 1981 and INFJ Gen Yer
I knew I forgot someone.
~Chas'88
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."
Bob Casey not even on the list - when he would vastly outperform every name who is on the Democratic list in a general election?
But maybe if the putative Robin Hoods stopped trying to take from law-abiding citizens and give to criminals, take from men and give to women, take from believers and give to anti-believers, take from citizens and give to "undocumented" immigrants, and take from heterosexuals and give to homosexuals, they might have a lot more success in taking from the rich and giving to everyone else.
Don't blame me - I'm a Baby Buster!
I know you like this guy, but a Pro-Life Democrat in 2016 is a non-starter. After the no-exception-for-rape debacle, a Pro-Life Republican is a long shot too.
Can we avoid all the social issues we've marinaded in for the last 40 years, and focus on the economy ... please?
Marx: Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Lennon: You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die.
i wont speculate on who the candidates will be.. but at least we have 4 more years to work against the reactionary radicalization of america..which we just narrowly managed to avoid this time...
Casey is a DINO and anti-choice. Screw him.
I want Liz Warren and Julian Castro.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
But Casey can always flip-flop, Mitt Romney style, when the time comes; plus if both Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Anthony Kennedy retire within the next four years and Obama gets to name more-or-less hard-left replacements, overturning Roe v. Wade (or Lawrence v. Texas) will become as quixotic a cause as bringing back Jim Crow.
Casey could also placate the left by choosing a running mate that would please them - preferably a woman. Elizabeth Warren would in fact be ideal.
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But maybe if the putative Robin Hoods stopped trying to take from law-abiding citizens and give to criminals, take from men and give to women, take from believers and give to anti-believers, take from citizens and give to "undocumented" immigrants, and take from heterosexuals and give to homosexuals, they might have a lot more success in taking from the rich and giving to everyone else.
Don't blame me - I'm a Baby Buster!
