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Post#551 at 05-14-2015 09:22 AM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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A college student told likely GOP presidential candidate Jeb Bush on Wednesday that his brother, former President George W. Bush, was to blame for the rise of the Islamic State.

The heated confrontation took place at a town hall meeting in Reno, Nevada, according to The New York Times. Ivy Ziedrich, 19, a student at the University of Nevada, approached the former Florida governor to question him about comments he had made during the event. Bush had argued that the Obama administration's weak foreign policy was responsible for the rise of the terrorist group, also known as ISIS, in the Middle East.

Ziedrich countered that Obama wasn't to blame -- and that it was his predecessor's decision to disband the Iraqi army that made the group's formation possible.

"Your brother created ISIS," she told Bush.

What followed was a contentious exchange, according to the Times. Ziedrich accused Bush of "spouting nationalist rhetoric to get us involved in more wars," pointing out that under his brother, the U.S. had spent years in the Middle East, waging "pointless wars where we send young American men to die for the idea of American exceptionalism."

Ziedrich's case is stronger than it may seem. To be sure, had the U.S. not invaded Iraq, the region's history would have unfolded differently. But more to her point, specific decisions made by the Bush administration also led to the rise of ISIS. Most notably, the administration engaged in a widespread and controversial policy known as debaathification, which made most people, even low-level bureaucrats, who had been associated with the former regime, ineligible for government employment in the new era.

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The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


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Post#552 at 05-14-2015 09:23 AM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Republican pols are in a trap: they must endorse the economic, diplomatic, and military follies of the last Republican President lest they show disloyalty to the Party.
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The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters







Post#553 at 05-14-2015 12:50 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by pbrower2a View Post
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"Your brother created ISIS," she told Bush.
And from a 19 y.o. out in the wilds of Nevada

Made my day!
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And this is F-n awesome for Progressives!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...?utm_hp_ref=tw

Russ Feingold Running For Senate In 2016
Its a fine 2-fer day!
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Post#555 at 05-14-2015 01:00 PM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
And from a 19 y.o. out in the wilds of Nevada

Made my day!
Ironically, all that Republicans need do about the failures of George W. Bush on economics and foreign policy is to say "George W. Bush was wrong." Then they gain some credibility. It's going to take much more than cultural trends to elect a Republican as President.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters







Post#556 at 05-14-2015 02:47 PM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
And from a 19 y.o. out in the wilds of Nevada

Made my day!
Of course she has made her way to the execration list of the Republican Party. She had better get a passport.
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The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters







Post#557 at 05-14-2015 04:23 PM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Bad sign for Republicans. It's only one matchup and only one state, a small one electorally (Kentucky), but if the Republican nominee from Kentucky can't win the state in a blowout, then Election Night 2016 will be very lopsided.


WHAS-TV, ABC-11, Louisville -- Paul vs. Clinton

Asked of 2104 registered voters

45% Rand Paul (R)

45% Hillary Clinton (D)

11% Undecided

http://www.whas11.com/story/news/pol...enge/27261477/

(No other potential matchups are shown, and the total of 101% results from rounding errors).



...Rand Paul leads all other Republicans for the Primary race.


Hillary Clinton vs. Jeb Bush





Hillary Clinton vs. Mike Huckabee



Hillary Clinton vs. Rand Paul

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The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters







Post#558 at 05-14-2015 04:38 PM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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(continuing)

Hillary Clinton vs. Marco Rubio



Hillary Clinton vs. Scott Walker



30% -- lead with 40-49% but a margin of 3% or less
40% -- lead with 40-49% but a margin of 4% or more
60% -- lead with 50-54%
70% -- lead with 55-59%
90% -- lead with 60% or more

...What is so significant about Kentucky? Hillary Clinton can obviously win the election without Kentucky. So did Barack Obama.

Take a look at these results for Kentucky in Presidential elections:

1972 Nixon 64.4 McGovern 34.8
1984 Reagan 60.0 Mondale 39.4
2012 Romney 60.5 Obama 37.8

If you can see a significant statistical difference between Barack Obama in 2012 in Kentucky and "George Mondale" or "Walter McGovern" in two 49-state Republican blowouts in Kentucky, then tell me. But Barack Obama got a middling victory in the Electoral College (the only one since 1900 in which the winner got between 57% and 65% of the electoral vote) and was a somewhat successful incumbent.

Barack Obama, all told, is a horrible cultural match for Kentucky -- arguably as bad a cultural match for Kentucky as McGovern or Mondale.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters







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Gallup poll on approval of the US Congress

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Congressional job approval, currently at 19%, remains stuck near historical lows, despite a number of recent high-profile legislative achievements.



Over the past month, Congress has confirmed the stalled nomination of Attorney General Loretta Lynch and both chambers passed a bill that was signed into law regarding Medicare. Bills that would authorize limited congressional oversight on any international agreement with Iran and help victims of human trafficking passed the Senate with little or no opposition. The uptick in activity, though hardly historic, is notable compared with the past two Congresses. Those Congresses, marked by divided control of the two chambers, were known for their entrenched partisan gridlock and few legislative accomplishments. And Americans didn't care for their inability to agree -- they gave Congress its lowest approval ever over this time period. Gallup found in June 2013, six months into the previous Congress, that gridlock and ineffectiveness were the most frequently cited reason for Americans' disapproval of Congress.

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GOP Congress Has Low Approval Among Republicans

A key reason the current 114th Congress appears to be having more legislative success than the two Congresses before it is that the House and Senate are now under one party's control. Unified GOP control of Capitol Hill should, at least in theory, boost Republicans' overall approval of Congress. But the expected "Republican rally" for Congress has yet to materialize -- 21% of Republicans and Republican leaners approve of Congress, not much different from the 18% of independents and of Democrats who approve. Nor is Republican support notably higher than the 15% it reached in 2014, despite the decided Republican tilt of this year's legislature.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/183128/fi...gn=syndication
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters







Post#560 at 05-16-2015 06:01 AM by Dave 89 [at joined Aug 2007 #posts 440]
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Quote Originally Posted by '58 Flat View Post
But "special interest backing" is to politics - at least Presidential politics - what height and reach are to MMA fights: Sure, it is possible for a fighter to overcome deficiencies in that area - see Rashad Evans, who has been able to to do it on a consistent basis for a dozen years now! - but it is the exception, not the rule.

A far-left Democratic candidate; e.g. Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, would have far too great a disadvantage to overcome to have any realistic chance of defeating a Koch brothers-financed candidate in a general election. Face it: Hillary is the only one who could do it.
I want to see Bernie win. He's the only person running so far that I actually like. Hillary is too based in special interest groups for my tastes. Along with her saying whatever is currently popular. Last thing we need is another hawk in office.
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
And this is F-n awesome for Progressives!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...?utm_hp_ref=tw

Russ Feingold Running For Senate In 2016


Its a fine 2-fer day!
I wish he'd run for President.
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Post#562 at 05-17-2015 09:32 PM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Quote Originally Posted by Alioth68 View Post
I wish he'd run for President.
I agree, but he knows that it's a fools errand ... and Russ is no fool. To be honest, moving the Senate into a non-GOP majority structure is almost more important. I'm even good with a coalition of some kind. Just pry Mitch McConnell's fingers off the stick.
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Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post
I agree, but he knows that it's a fools errand ... and Russ is no fool. To be honest, moving the Senate into a non-GOP majority structure is almost more important. I'm even good with a coalition of some kind. Just pry Mitch McConnell's fingers off the stick.
I agree. And Russ doesn't have the score to win the presidency either. It will take more than Russ winning to win back the Senate. I already took Russ and Wisconsin for granted. It will also take winning back New Hampshire (questionable), not to mention PA (likely), and IL (possible), without losing any, such as in CO. Not a slam dunk by any means.

Another question is whether Hillary R. Clinton will realize the need to support and campaign for a Democratic Senate and Congress, something even Barack Obama did not have the vision and strategic foresight to do in 2012?
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The Republican-controlled House matters as much as the Senate. Democrats need practically a 54-46 split in the nationwide vote for House members due to gerrymandering.

The Koch dynasty reigneth!
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters







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In terms of the Presidential race this is truly now the Democrats' to lose. The GOP side has gone from circus to tragicomedy.







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Quote Originally Posted by pbrower2a View Post
The Republican-controlled House matters as much as the Senate. Democrats need practically a 54-46 split in the nationwide vote for House members due to gerrymandering.

The Koch dynasty reigneth!
Hallelujah!
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
I agree. And Russ doesn't have the score to win the presidency either. It will take more than Russ winning to win back the Senate. I already took Russ and Wisconsin for granted. It will also take winning back New Hampshire (questionable), not to mention PA (likely), and IL (possible), without losing any, such as in CO. Not a slam dunk by any means.

Another question is whether Hillary R. Clinton will realize the need to support and campaign for a Democratic Senate and Congress, something even Barack Obama did not have the vision and strategic foresight to do in 2012?
Yes, it may be time for a party-based campaign, instead of the typical ego-based POTUS extravaganza.
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Quote Originally Posted by XYMOX_4AD_84 View Post
In terms of the Presidential race this is truly now the Democrats' to lose. The GOP side has gone from circus to tragicomedy.
I think this could be a watershed election, but that doesn't guarantee either party a win. It may be true that the public is awakening and blinders are coming off, but the GOP electorate is still much less awake than the rest of the electorate. Add to that Hillary's cynical rush to the left, which may cost her more than she gains.
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Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post
I agree, but he knows that it's a fools errand ... and Russ is no fool. To be honest, moving the Senate into a non-GOP majority structure is almost more important. I'm even good with a coalition of some kind. Just pry Mitch McConnell's fingers off the stick.
From the SCOTUS viewpoint, its going to take both.

Outside of another baseless war, there is no other 2016 consequence close to importance.
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Let the Hunger Games begin!

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politi...520-story.html

Fox, CNN to pick top 10 in polls for GOP presidential debates

Fox News and CNN plan to use an average of recent polls to pick the candidates for the first two Republican presidential debates, with the top 10 making the cut for the main event.

TV producers and Republican Party officials agree that having a dozen or more candidates crowded onto a debate stage would make for bad television and a fairly unenlightening discussion. Candidates would get only a few minutes each to respond to one or two questions.
Here's what that would look like today -

Jeb Bush

Marco Rubio

Scott Walker

Rand Paul

Ted Cruz

Mike Huckabee

Ben Carson

Chris Christie

Donald Trump

Rick Perry

Left out? Rick Santorum, John Kasich, Lindsey Graham, Bobby Jindal, Carly Fiorina, and George Pataki.

Even with token Rubio, they'd better keep crazyman Carson in the the top ten or it's gonna look mighty White up there.

But maybe HuckaJesus will take one for the team and undergo a sex change so it doesn't look so awful testosterone? Christie is pretty desperate, maybe enough to make "the change?"

Ah yes, the GOP, the Party for the future!
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And in case it wasn't clear -

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/h...on-is-liberal/

Hillary Clinton Was Liberal. Hillary Clinton Is Liberal.

A bunch of reporters have recently discovered a shocking truth: Hillary Clinton is liberal! (I heard a rumor that Columbo has been helping with the investigation.)

We’ve gotten this raft of “Clinton is liberal” exposés as Clinton has revved up her 2016 campaign, speaking out in support of gay marriage, a pathway to citizenship for immigrants in the U.S. illegally, and criminal justice reform. But what many of these articles miss is that Clinton has always been, by most measures, pretty far to the left. When she’s shifted positions, it has been in concert with the entire Democratic Party.

To see how these different issues fit together to form an overall political ideology, we usually use three metrics: one based on congressional voting record, one based on public statements and one based on fundraising.

Clinton was one of the most liberal members during her time in the Senate. According to an analysis of roll call votes by Voteview, Clinton’s record was more liberal than 70 percent of Democrats in her final term in the Senate. She was more liberal than 85 percent of all members. Her 2008 rival in the Democratic presidential primary, Barack Obama, was nearby with a record more liberal than 82 percent of all members — he was not more liberal than Clinton.

Clinton also has a history of very liberal public statements. Clinton rates as a “hard core liberal” per the OnTheIssues.org scale. She is as liberal as Elizabeth Warren and barely more moderate than Bernie Sanders. And while Obama is also a “hard core liberal,” Clinton again was rated as more liberal than Obama.

Sometimes I wonder whether people are confusing Clinton with her husband. Bill Clinton’s statements have been far more moderate. He has also had a more moderate donor base, according to Adam Bonica’s fundraising scores.

There have been a few issues on which Hillary Clinton has taken more centrist positions. She, of course, voted for the Iraq War (she now says that was a mistake). Clinton has been mostly pro free trade (although she hasn’t said much of anything on the Trans-Pacific Partnership). And she has been against marijuana legalization, and seemingly remains so.

When Clinton has shifted left, she has usually done so with her party and — on the issues she’s highlighted in the 2016 campaign so far — the country. Some examples:

Gay marriage was something that split Democrats almost right down the middle in 2008, with 50 percent in favor per the Pew Research Center. Just 39 percent of the population overall supported same-sex marriage back then. Clinton flipped her position in early 2013, just about when the polls were showing that 51 percent of Americans and around two-thirds of Democrats were in favor of gay marriage. In late 2007, an ABC News/Washington Post poll found that Americans and Democrats were in the same place then on civil unions, which Clinton supported, as they are now on gay marriage. In other words, Clinton’s moved left — along with everyone else.

Immigration is a little trickier because so much depends on how a poll is worded, but most of the polls with neutrally worded questions seem to show support for Clinton’s position. A May 2015 CBS News survey shows 57 percent of Americans favor a pathway to citizenship (an all-time high in that survey), compared with 29 percent who want those here illegally deported and 11 percent who want them to have legal status but not citizenship. Among Democrats, 71 percent want a path to citizenship.

On criminal justice reform, which has drawn considerable national attention recently, Clinton called in late April for rolling back mandatory minimum sentencing laws, a position that has more support than it used to. A 2006 survey from Princeton Survey Research Associates International found that 54 percent of Americans and 55 percent of Democrats thought judges should have leeway in sentencing nonviolent offenders, instead of having to abide by the sentencing laws. In a November 2014 Public Religion Research Institute poll, 77 percent of Americans, including 83 percent of Democrats, wanted mandatory minimum sentences eliminated for nonviolent offenders.

Clinton isn’t tacking to the center; she’s simply staying on the left.

In 2008, while Clinton had trouble with her position on Iraq, Democrats didn’t view her as out of step ideologically overall. In February 2008, just 12 percent of Democrats and people who lean Democratic said Clinton was too conservative (the same as Obama). Likewise, Pew Research Center found the same percentages of Democrats, as well as the same percentages of all Americans, thought Clinton and Obama were liberal in January and April of 2008.

The fact that Clinton was seen as just as liberal as Obama is probably the reason she did as well with liberals in the 2008 primary as she did overall. According to exit polls, Clinton received, on average, 46 percent of the vote from those who identified as liberal and 45 percent from those who identified as very liberal. Overall, she received 48 percent of the vote, according to exit polls.[/indent]

Clinton got beat on the left on one issue the last time she ran for president: the Iraq War. But unless your name is Jeb Bush, the Iraq War just isn’t as important to a presidential candidacy in 2016 as it was in 2008, when it was the second-most-important issue in the Democratic primary. Clinton beat Obama on the other big issues, including the longtime liberal cause of health care.

Overall, the “liberal Clinton” isn’t a new phenomenon. Given her support for liberal positions in the past and the support that liberals have given her, it shouldn’t be surprising that Clinton is staking out liberal positions to start the 2016 campaign.
Can you imagine when what emerges from the GOP clown car goes up against a true Liberal in the Presidential debates. He'll be going in thinking he's tack to the Left since his big suck-up to the baggers; he'll be completely bewildered when confronted by a real Liberal in front of millions of voters.
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/h...on-is-liberal/



Can you imagine when what emerges from the GOP clown car goes up against a true Liberal in the Presidential debates. He'll be going in thinking he's tack to the Left since his big suck-up to the baggers; he'll be completely bewildered when confronted by a real Liberal in front of millions of voters.
The 2016 Presidential race is the Democrats' to lose. The GOP is already setting its worst self defeating behaviors into motion (and I use the word behaviors loosely, it's more like complete anarchy). One thing can be said about today's GOP, party discipline is a completely unknown concept.







Post#573 at 05-21-2015 03:58 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
http://www.latimes.com/nation/politi...520-story.html



Here's what that would look like today -

Jeb Bush

Marco Rubio

Scott Walker

Rand Paul

Ted Cruz

Mike Huckabee

Ben Carson

Chris Christie

Donald Trump

Rick Perry

Left out? Rick Santorum, John Kasich, Lindsey Graham, Bobby Jindal, Carly Fiorina, and George Pataki.

Even with token Rubio, they'd better keep crazyman Carson in the the top ten or it's gonna look mighty White up there.

But maybe HuckaJesus will take one for the team and undergo a sex change so it doesn't look so awful testosterone? Christie is pretty desperate, maybe enough to make "the change?"

Ah yes, the GOP, the Party for the future!
It's possible that Santorum and Kasich will replace Perry and Trump in that list.

I've always considered Trump nothing but a clown, with no qualifications or serious ambitions to be president, but he was born in 1946, which is a good year (Clinton and GW Bush) for successful candidates. So I might as well take a look:

He does have a good score: 15-4. So, who knows?! Could Trump trump the field?
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Post#574 at 05-22-2015 10:33 AM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
It's possible that Santorum and Kasich will replace Perry and Trump in that list.

I've always considered Trump nothing but a clown, with no qualifications or serious ambitions to be president, but he was born in 1946, which is a good year (Clinton and GW Bush) for successful candidates. So I might as well take a look:

He does have a good score: 15-4. So, who knows?! Could Trump trump the field?
That would make it clear to everyone that the GOP is finished as a national political force.

Got my fingers crossed for The Donald!
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Post#575 at 05-26-2015 12:07 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Amygdala Dominated -

- will we see them pass as a national political force in our lifetimes?

http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...l#.VVvKCJNViko

The GOP Is Dying Off. Literally.

It turns out that one of the Grand Old Party’s biggest—and least discussed—challenges going into 2016 is lying in plain sight, written right into the party’s own nickname. The Republican Party voter is old—and getting older, ...

There’s been much written about how millennials are becoming a reliable voting bloc for Democrats, but there’s been much less attention paid to one of the biggest get-out-the-vote challenges for the Republican Party heading into the next presidential election: Hundreds of thousands of their traditional core supporters won’t be able to turn out to vote at all.

The party’s core is dying off by the day.

Since the average Republican is significantly older than the average Democrat, far more Republicans than Democrats have died since the 2012 elections. To make matters worse, the GOP is attracting fewer first-time voters....

By combining presidential election exit polls with mortality rates per age group from the U.S. Census Bureau, I calculated that, of the 61 million who voted for Mitt Romney in 2012, about 2.75 million will be dead by the 2016 election. President Barack Obama’s voters, of course, will have died too—about 2.3 million of the 66 million who voted for the president won’t make it to 2016 either. That leaves a big gap in between, a difference of roughly 453,000 in favor of the Democrats.....

In 2012, there were about 13 million in the 15-to-17 year-old demo who will be eligible to vote in 2016. The previous few presidential election cycles indicate that about 45 percent of these youngsters will actually vote, meaning that there will about 6 million new voters total. Exit polling indicates that age bracket has split about 65-35 in favor of the Dems in the past two elections. If that split holds true in 2016, Democrats will have picked up a two million vote advantage among first-time voters. These numbers combined with the voter death data puts Republicans at an almost 2.5 million voter disadvantage going into 2016.
tick, tick, tick...
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service

“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke


"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman

If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
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