My cousin was mauled by a black bear that wanted to get into his tent. He yelled at the bear like you're supposed to do with a curious bear. The bear got pissed and attacked him. He had to play dead as the bear batted him around and chewed on him a bit.Originally Posted by nihilist moron
I'd never yell at a bear. I'd be out the other side of the tent and the bear could take what it wanted.
I've never heard you're supposed to yell at bears, only that you're supposed to keep your food locked up in bear proof containers so they don't smell it and come looking for it.
I think what you did with momma bear was smarter.Glad you didn't shoot her.
(That's essentially what I did once when meeting up with a large coyote, stared it down until it decided to forget about possibly eating my dog and trotted off to look for a stray cat or some other snack instead.)
Last edited by nihilist moron; 06-01-2015 at 09:06 PM.
Nobody ever got to a single truth without talking nonsense fourteen times first.
- Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
Don't be fooled: your pooch licks you because you taste good. Mine especially loves my psoriasis. Very tasty!
Except for good behavior, dogs are about the most dangerous non-venomous predators for their size. They are everything that you fear in an enemy: power, strength, speed, agility, voraciousness, aggression, cunning, and organization. Unlike the other large carnivores they know us well for our clumsiness, sloth, and cowardice. Dogs have horrible teeth and claws; worst of all they can knock us down, which is a literal fall.
A dog about half your size will defeat you in a fight. Do you think it a good idea to enter a house through a dog door? Do you really want to face an animal that suddenly changes from a loving pet into one of the most vicious killers in the animal world? Burglars are meat. A man's home is his castle, but it is his dog's jungle.
Feral dogs are dangerous because they are hungry. Figure that one of them can eat a fourth of its weight in one meal. One? You can handle it. Ten? You are meat.
One good shot can dispatch one tiger, bear, lion, or leopard. You will need multiple shots to eliminate the menace of a hungry pack of feral dogs. Pepper spray against the delicate muzzles of several ravenous dogs will do the trick.
Dogs share the top of the food chain with us as equals. It is wise to make sure that the dog remains an equal.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
See my post about coyote encounter above.
I used to work for a vet, did many takedowns. Not afraid of dogs, sorry.
Nobody ever got to a single truth without talking nonsense fourteen times first.
- Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
http://realestate.aol.com/blog/2012/...home-security/
http://newson6.com/story.aspx?story=...0&catId=112042
A couple of experiments testing whether or not dogs will attack an intruder (they didn't.)
Nobody ever got to a single truth without talking nonsense fourteen times first.
- Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
You know how to calm people's beloved pets. I know enough to do nothing menacing.
Really -- I get along with dogs. I know the rules. Never run from a dog, and don't attack anything (even a cat) that has a dog as a defender. If a large dog wants to play with you, then play. Consider that the ultimate compliment from the animal world -- that one of the deadliest predators in the world can treat you as an equal. Like wolves (they still are) they are menaces to wildlife and livestock bigger than us.
The scary situation that I had with dogs -- the four 80-pound dogs behind a screen door whose latch seemed like the difference between leaving unscathed and getting badly hurt -- was the dogs' misunderstanding. They must have thought that I, a Census taker, was a burglar. Burglars are dog food.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
Well at least now we know where your irrational fear comes from.
Dogs who are restrained (by a leash or fence .. or screen door) become more aggressive. Trainers use that feature to increase drive in sports like agility and flyball. The screen door was the problem, not you.
A takedown at the vet's office doesn't involve making anyone "calmer." It's a freakin takedown. Most people would be surprised what goes on behind closed doors. You can't stick needles in a lot of dogs without the use of force, and the risk of getting bit.
Nobody ever got to a single truth without talking nonsense fourteen times first.
- Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
The trick, as I have seen, is of giving the dog or cat (the two have obvious similarities of behavior) a needle without it knowing what is going on.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
Only possible if the animal is unconscious. Most of them are hyperreactive at the vet's office to begin with. They ALL know what's going on.
Cats are much trickier than dogs. Gotta watch the claws in addition to teeth. Plus they can turn their heads to bite more easily and quickly than dogs.
Nobody ever got to a single truth without talking nonsense fourteen times first.
- Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
His tent only had one exit. As a general rule, bears are afraid of us and don't want anything to do with us. Yelling will usually alert a bear to our presence and scare it away. The bear that attacked him wasn't afraid of him or his presence which was very rare for a human/bear encounter. I would have done the same thing (yelled and shewed away with my arms) had there not been a couple of cubs behind me. Scared cubs tend to create and draw angry mama bears. At that point, standing very still with gun ready in full sight of mama, eyes focused on mama's actions with little to no attention being paid to her cubs as they moved past me was the smart thing to do in that situation. The cub that smelt my pants leg was a cute little fella.I'd never yell at a bear. I'd be out the other side of the tent and the bear could take what it wanted.
I've never heard you're supposed to yell at bears, only that you're supposed to keep your food locked up in bear proof containers so they don't smell it and come looking for it.
I think what you did with momma bear was smarter.Glad you didn't shoot her.
(That's essentially what I did once when meeting up with a large coyote, stared it down until it decided to forget about possibly eating my dog and trotted off to look for a stray cat or some other snack instead.)
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We're talking about (maybe)-dangerous animals on a thread about US elections.
Somehow appropro, I guess.
How about Donkeys and Elephants? Who is the more dangerous?
Certainly not the Green Party. We are sunflowers.
My dogs have never had an issue with getting shots. I thought the present dog would but he was fine too. I'm usually with the dog when they get their shots. Does having the owner present in the room make a big difference?
Elephants do not have us on the menu. They have plenty of ways to kill us -- throwing us, crushing us, kicking us, or goring us.
Man fares badly with any large land predator in a territorial dispute, whether with a dog or with an alligator.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
I'm probably a more dangerous individual than you and most liberals who post here.
I think we liberals all know and assume that, Classic Xer
Of course, we know that the policies supported by conservatives are quite dangerous indeed.
But thanks for the softball! I got one from Einzige too! It's a good day.
I won the last territorial dispute with a dog. The dog launched at me. I kneed him in the chest and downed him with a swift solid punch to the head and then got on top of him and held him down until he submitted. I released him and side booted him in the ass. He sat down a safe distance away and growled at me. I moved towards him. He stood up, tucked his tail between his legs and ran away. I never saw that dog again.
Nah much more mundane. Obama could direct the labor Depart to raise the limit at which the mandatory overtime policy applies. The law allows businesses to exempt salaried workers with salaries above the ~$24K level from overtime rules. Say the limit was raised to $100K. Doing this is entirely administrative, like the recent measures to address global warming through the EDA. No input from Congress required.
Now if the limit were raised then all those workers who feel it necessary to put in 60 hour weeks to keep their jobs will see their income potentially rise by as much as 75%. Put another way their employers will see their compensation cost rise by 75% with no increase in output. Studies show that extra hours worked are less productive. In most cases the employer would be better off by reducing total hours worked from 180 by three workers to 160 by four. This would entail an increased salary cost from the pre-rules change situation (which is why they don't do it now) but would represent a 24% cost reduction post-rules change. The cost reduction would compensate for increased benefit costs of another employee. So this policy will likely modestly boost hiring. Increased hiring would increase bargaining power of labor, resulting in some increases in wages levels, and a reduction in unemployment. These would serve to at least temper economic inequality. It's only a dent, but the Great Compression was achieved by the combination of a number of such dents. Another dent would be stopping illegal immigration by raising the minimum wage, but that requires Congress. A dent here, a dent there, pretty soon they ad up to a big impact. You gotta start someplace.
Most people don't know the role reductions in hours worked have played in wage increases over the years. Here are index values of real weekly wages of unskilled labor in 1800, 1935 and 2000: 4.93, 32, and 79. These give growth rates of 1.39% for 1800 to 1935 and 1.40% for 1935 to 2000, essentially the same. However, to earn those wages required 70 hours of work in 1800 but only 40 hours of work in 1935. Since 1935 the work week has remained at 40 hours. When you express the growth rates as changes in hourly wages you get 1.82% over 1800-1935 and 1.40% over 1935-2000. This growth better reflects how the proceeds of productivity are split between labor and capital than the first measure. During the 1800-1935, economic inequality showed a trough in the 1820's and a broad peak centered in the 1920's. This rise reflected stronger growth in GDP than in wages with the difference accumulating at the top resulting in rising inequality.
During the 1930's the government came out on the side of labor. The government also took an active role in managing the economy. At first it implemented policies designed to give strong GDP growth. Such polices gave GDP growth about 1% higher than what has been achievable before form about 30 years, from 1941-1973. The combination of strong growth and pro-labor policy translated to real hourly wage growth of 2.56%, 0.74% higher than the pre-1935 world. Also government had enacted social welfare programs that tended to disproportionately benefit lower income people but were disproportionately paid for by high taxes on higher income people. The result of this was a net transfer of income from high to low incomes, which served to reduced economic inequality.
The drawback from this high-growth economic policy is it is prone to inflation, if the government should ever run a deficit. Top tax rates largely remained at WW II levels until the mid-1960's when taxes were were reduced, just when the Vietnam war was starting, and new welfare programs were starting up. The government managed to ran balanced budgets until the late sixties, when deficits appeared and with them inflationary forces, clearly seen by the flow of gold out of the US. By 1971, faced with rapidly depleting gold reserves, Nixon was forced to close the gold window.
Once inflation is unleashed there are only two fixes, one which preserves high growth and one which sacrifices growth for inflation control independent of deficits. Politicians, Democratic as well as Republican chose the latter. Republicans can perhaps be exempted from blame. After all, they are the party of the rich, and since then their constituency has done pretty well. But there was no excuse for Democrats.
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I didn't say solve the problem, I said make a dent. Show whose side he's on.
It depends on the owner. Some people get stressed by watching, which only makes the dog more stressed. It's the same with having parents in the room during medical procedures on pediatric patients, kids pick up on whether their parents are calm or not, and react accordingly.
It also depends on the dog. Some are more tolerant than others. For example, they breed Beagles for medical research, because that breed doesn't fight back. Which is sort of sad and cruel but that's animal research. On the other hand, nobody fucks with Chows.
Nobody ever got to a single truth without talking nonsense fourteen times first.
- Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
I'm not sure Hillary has a philosophy any more. She was a Goldwater Girl in her teens, and appears to have been antiwar in college, but 40+ years in public life have diminished any idealism in favor of pure pragmatism. Her #1 credo: winning. I'm not sure she won't throw even close friends under the bus if that's what it takes.
As early as spring of 2009, it was already obvious that BHO was not going to be dynamic. It doesn't fit his temperament, and the last 6+years have only hardened that tendency. Sometimes he talks a strong game, but that may be tactical. Then again, he did hire Loretta Lynch, so he may be up for a proxy battle here and there.
Marx: Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Lennon: You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die.
While you pet them, I'll watch from a comfortable distance.
Marx: Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Lennon: You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die.
TnT, you are being very bad... and pretty funny!
My brother and I use to hunt (never have and never will for bear) primarily on the backside of the Grand Tetons in Idaho - he still rents out the lodge. Lots of brown/black bear encounters and the more rare Grizzly. Here's my advice -
Never ever believe any bear is docile - a small 300 pound 'docile' brown bear can rip your arm off your torso before you take a second breath.
If you have friends that have a hummingbird feeder, a trash can, a dirty picnic table or whatever that is attracting a bear, particularly more than once, for their sake and for the bear's, tell those F'n idiot friends of yours to remove that attraction - they are habituating the bear and whether its tomorrow or a couple years from now, it is going to end with that bear being killed - IT ALWAYS DOES. The only question is it also going to end or mutilate a human, pet or horse along the way. In Yellowstone, a bear that comes back once too often to a campground(s) is 'removed,' and by 'removed,' I don't mean being helicoptered somewhere like they do in the movies - have you ever wondered where all the "bear jerky" in the Yellowstone stores comes from?
If in Yellowstone or wherever, and you get stuck in a "bear jam," stay the F in the car - it's not Disneyland.
Don't ever confuse the one or even numerous encounters you've had with bears with the encounter you are having at the very moment... and that certainly includes the same bear. Are you always a nice amicable person that is always happy to greet strangers and be just adorable or do you have your moments? Why would anyone believe a bear is always happy go lucky?
Here's a pretty good summary from Yellowstone (this is ground zero for bear-human encounters and a long history of things not going as well as a Disney ride) -
http://www.nps.gov/yell/learn/nature/bearmindset.htm
Note it's final words of advice -
Now tell me, before that bear removed your first arm from your body, did you notice if his ears were straight and pointed forward or laid back on his head?Safety Tip
Play dead if a defensive bear makes contact; always fight back against a predatory bear.
If not, just play dead - you might as well get use to the condition.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service
“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke
"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman
If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
And you certainly came up with quite a dent - killing the overtime exemption - brilliant! I like it! Before I start googling around to see why this hasn't happened (surely others have pushed this?), what is your take on it?
Also, just to note, Nixon's taking us off the gold standard completely ended the 'downside' of losing gold reserves. So we are left with only the potential for inflation driven by wage-increases as a potential downside. But that is the big buggabo that certainly every "very serious person" is chomping at the bit to jump on even while we are currently mired in dis-inflation. Right now, they're itching to apply monetary policy (i.e., raise interest rates) and if inflation ever threaten to get past the level necessary for a healthy economic growth (say 2-3%), the much more powerful fiscal policy (cut spending; raise taxes) could squash it with ease.
But even before we get to any remedy, first there has to be the illness. My sense it has never happened (the 1970s stagflation was oil and its remedy was NG deregulation; Volker was an unnecessary sideshow) and it is not very likely to happen given the above mentioned willingness of every "very serious person" being hot to jump on the 'cure' even when there is no illness.
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"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service
“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke
"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman
If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
Bears defend their cubs from anything that would take them away even by accident.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
For bear country, must have carbine with the following:
