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Post#976 at 11-04-2015 11:31 AM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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When these KY t-baggers drop 100s of thousands off of Medicaid and KYConnect (brought to you by Obamacare) in the next couple months, it's going to be a wake-up call to the rest of the Nation for the 2016 election.

The KY t-baggers ran on killing Obamacare so if they grow a brain and don't, its going to further frustrate their sheeple.

Pass the popcorn.
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Post#977 at 11-04-2015 03:13 PM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Hillary Clinton vs. current and present office holders:

After polls of Iowa from PPP -- and these show a change in the political environment:

Clinton 45 -- Bush 40
Carson 47 -- Clinton 44
Carson 46 -- Cruz 44
Clinton 44 -- Fiorina 43
Clinton 46 -- Huckabee 44
Clinton 43 -- Kasich 36
Clinton 43 -- Rubio 45
Clinton 44 -- Trump 44


http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/p..._IA_110415.pdf

Improvements for Hillary Clinton across the board. Iowa is now a reasonably-good prospect for a Clinton victory and not a State drifting rapidly R.



Hillary Clinton vs. Jeb Bush



Hillary Clinton(D) vs. Ted Cruz (R)



Hillary Clinton vs. Mike Huckabee




Hillary Clinton vs. Marco Rubio





30% -- lead with 40-49% but a margin of 3% or less
40% -- lead with 40-49% but a margin of 4% or more
60% -- lead with 50-54%
70% -- lead with 55-59%
90% -- lead with 60% or more
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The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


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Post#978 at 11-04-2015 03:25 PM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Hillary Clinton vs. "Amateur Hour".


Hillary Clinton vs. Ben Carson



Hillary Clinton vs. Carly Fiorina




Hillary Clinton vs. Donald Trump



30% -- lead with 40-49% but a margin of 3% or less
40% -- lead with 40-49% but a margin of 4% or more
60% -- lead with 50-54%
70% -- lead with 55-59%
90% -- lead with 60% or more
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters







Post#979 at 11-04-2015 04:03 PM by XYMOX_4AD_84 [at joined Nov 2012 #posts 3,073]
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Quote Originally Posted by pbrower2a View Post
Hillary Clinton vs. "Amateur Hour".


Hillary Clinton vs. Ben Carson



Hillary Clinton vs. Carly Fiorina




Hillary Clinton vs. Donald Trump



30% -- lead with 40-49% but a margin of 3% or less
40% -- lead with 40-49% but a margin of 4% or more
60% -- lead with 50-54%
70% -- lead with 55-59%
90% -- lead with 60% or more
Carson may actually make it.







Post#980 at 11-04-2015 04:07 PM by XYMOX_4AD_84 [at joined Nov 2012 #posts 3,073]
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Corporate America wants it to be Clinton v Rubio. In that race I would bank on Clinton. Corporate America does not want Trump. This reduces Trump's chances of making it to and through the Primaries. I can't gauge Corporate America's view point regarding Carson. I'm guessing it to be neutral (certainly not as anti as it is vis a vis Trump). Corporate America will continue to tear down Trump ongoing. With Trump out of the picture, and if Carson can keep the campaign going somehow (a challenge without overt corporate backing) then he could conceivable barely edge out Rubio. If that happened Clinton may face trouble.







Post#981 at 11-04-2015 04:12 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by XYMOX_4AD_84 View Post
Corporate America wants it to be Clinton v Rubio. In that race I would bank on Clinton. Corporate America does not want Trump. This reduces Trump's chances of making it to and through the Primaries. I can't gauge Corporate America's view point regarding Carson. I'm guessing it to be neutral (certainly not as anti as it is vis a vis Trump). Corporate America will continue to tear down Trump ongoing. With Trump out of the picture, and if Carson can keep the campaign going somehow (a challenge without overt corporate backing) then he could conceivable barely edge out Rubio. If that happened Clinton may face trouble.
No, Carson will go down. He's an idiot, and that will increasingly show itself especially to non-fanatic right-wingers. And corporate America will be fine with Trump. He's one of their own, and he supports most of their economic and tax policies. For corporate America, one trickle-downer is as good as another. It doesn't matter, as long as they adhere to the Reagan line, and keep their man in office posthumously. In fact, one entertainer is as good as another; it keeps the masses fooled and happy.
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Post#982 at 11-04-2015 04:15 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by XYMOX_4AD_84 View Post
Carson may actually make it.
(addressed to Mr. Brower):
Are these actual polls, or your estimates? Is there a website where these polls and maps come from?
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Post#983 at 11-04-2015 04:17 PM by XYMOX_4AD_84 [at joined Nov 2012 #posts 3,073]
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
No, Carson will go down. He's an idiot, and that will increasingly show itself especially to non-fanatic right-wingers. And corporate America will be fine with Trump. He's one of their own, and he supports most of their economic and tax policies. For corporate America, one trickle-downer is as good as another. It doesn't matter, as long as they adhere to the Reagan line, and keep their man in office posthumously. In fact, one entertainer is as good as another; it keeps the masses fooled and happy.
Trump is too much of a populist to have the support of Corporate America. If he wins the GOP nomination Corporate America will throw everything they have to back Clinton to the hilt.







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Quote Originally Posted by herbal tee View Post
For the record the Republican retained control of the KY Senate.
It will be interesting to see how they handle KyNect. They own it now ... and it's popular.
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Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post
It will be interesting to see how they handle KyNect. They own it now ... and it's popular.
But not popular enough to get enough people to vote against the gov. candidate who has promised to destroy it.







Post#986 at 11-04-2015 07:00 PM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
(addressed to Mr. Brower):
Are these actual polls, or your estimates? Is there a website where these polls and maps come from?
Here is the site, and my composite of polls. I watch the Presidential polls carefully for bi9nary match-ups. Typically a new poll supplants an old one.

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/ind...580#msg4787580

The maps are illustration and my creations on Leip's Electoral Atlas using its algorithm for creating maps. The polls are someone else's. The only estimates that I ever make involve two different polls. Of course I reject polls by partisan entities (the Parties themselves and such partisan entities as the Mackinac Institute in Michigan) and special interests (let us say a Chamber of Commerce, a trade union, an ethnic advocacy group, or an industry trade group) and pollsters with extreme partisan bias or habitual incompetence.

I like to believe that my predictions have foundations in recent history.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters







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Quote Originally Posted by herbal tee View Post
But not popular enough to get enough people to vote against the gov. candidate who has promised to destroy it.
The American electorate may be the laziest and most inattentive in the Free World. The special interests are extremely well organized. The effect is a plutocratic oligarchy.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters







Post#988 at 11-05-2015 12:35 AM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
No, Carson will go down. He's an idiot, and that will increasingly show itself especially to non-fanatic right-wingers.
The problem with Carson isn't that he is stupid; it's that

(1) he believes some very crazy stuff, and
(2) he believes that intelligence is everything for a President.

We tend to elect attorneys, as a rule intellectual generalists well prepared for the activities that don't have profit-or-loss or technical consequences, as President. We generally do not elect physicians, dentists, engineers, CPAs, computer programmers, or research scientists as President even though those are often brilliant. In fact we have elected only one PhD (Woodrow Wilson) for whom we have very mixed results.

And corporate America will be fine with Trump. He's one of their own, and he supports most of their economic and tax policies. For corporate America, one trickle-downer is as good as another. It doesn't matter, as long as they adhere to the Reagan line, and keep their man in office posthumously. In fact, one entertainer is as good as another; it keeps the masses fooled and happy.
Corporate America would be perfectly happy if the Republican Party took the dominant role in American political life indefinitely. Donald Trump is just another crony capitalist -- a chip off the old block.

But I would be wary of entertainers. In another Empire, the emperors Caligula, Nero, and Commodus were extremely successful in entertaining the masses.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters







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Quote Originally Posted by pbrower2a View Post
Hillary Clinton vs. "Amateur Hour".


Hillary Clinton vs. Ben Carson



Hillary Clinton vs. Carly Fiorina




Hillary Clinton vs. Donald Trump



30% -- lead with 40-49% but a margin of 3% or less
40% -- lead with 40-49% but a margin of 4% or more
60% -- lead with 50-54%
70% -- lead with 55-59%
90% -- lead with 60% or more
You do realize that an "amateur hour" was elected President with your vote. Hillary isn't exactly all that experienced as far as leadership experience goes and she could easily be considered as another "amateur hour" in the eyes of independent voters as well.







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Quote Originally Posted by pbrower2a View Post
The problem with Carson isn't that he is stupid; it's that

(1) he believes some very crazy stuff, and
(2) he believes that intelligence is everything for a President.

We tend to elect attorneys, as a rule intellectual generalists well prepared for the activities that don't have profit-or-loss or technical consequences, as President. We generally do not elect physicians, dentists, engineers, CPAs, computer programmers, or research scientists as President even though those are often brilliant. In fact we have elected only one PhD (Woodrow Wilson) for whom we have very mixed results.



Corporate America would be perfectly happy if the Republican Party took the dominant role in American political life indefinitely. Donald Trump is just another crony capitalist -- a chip off the old block.

But I would be wary of entertainers. In another Empire, the emperors Caligula, Nero, and Commodus were extremely successful in entertaining the masses.
Obama was a pretty good entertainer for a politician and lawyer. You should be more wary and less goo goo gaga over your candidates.







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Quote Originally Posted by pbrower2a View Post
The American electorate may be the laziest and most inattentive in the Free World. The special interests are extremely well organized. The effect is a plutocratic oligarchy.
Bullshit. People who come out in off year elections are the samrtest and most attentive. The lazy and stupid show up in years numered 4.







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Quote Originally Posted by pbrower2a View Post
The problem with Carson isn't that he is stupid; it's that

(1) he believes some very crazy stuff, and
(2) he believes that intelligence is everything for a President.

We tend to elect attorneys, as a rule intellectual generalists well prepared for the activities that don't have profit-or-loss or technical consequences, as President. We generally do not elect physicians, dentists, engineers, CPAs, computer programmers, or research scientists as President even though those are often brilliant. In fact we have elected only one PhD (Woodrow Wilson) for whom we have very mixed results.



Corporate America would be perfectly happy if the Republican Party took the dominant role in American political life indefinitely. Donald Trump is just another crony capitalist -- a chip off the old block.

But I would be wary of entertainers. In another Empire, the emperors Caligula, Nero, and Commodus were extremely successful in entertaining the masses.
iow, we elect people who never pay an objective price for bad decision making. Might explain a lot.







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Well it looks like Carson is now being torn down by both "the Establishment" and by his own quirkyness. I supposed it was inevitable.

It may be a bit early to suggest the fix is in, but heck, here I go.

The fix is in.

Clinton v Rubio.







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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
No, Carson will go down. He's an idiot, and that will increasingly show itself especially to non-fanatic right-wingers.
I'm not a Carson supporter by any means...he's not an idiot, but I think he's an idiot-savant or an undiagnosed case of Asperger's. To be a surgeon in any discipline takes a lot of study and technical skill. I think what will show in the months to come is just that - great at one thing and should have stuck with that.

On a different note, I'm interested to see what Trump does on Saturday Night Live and surprised there's so much backlash for it to be brought up on NBC Tabloid "News" (Today). If the Republican field has been anything, in the least it's been entertaining. I felt Hillary's cameo earlier this year was a forced attempt at humor and connection with more voters. I'm not sure what the demographics are for SNL viewers.







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Quote Originally Posted by Classic-X'er View Post
Obama was a pretty good entertainer for a politician and lawyer. You should be more wary and less goo goo gaga over your candidates.
He was at a roast on the night on which Seal Team 6 was performing the underworld-style hit upon Osama bin Laden. Missing the roast that night might have given away the fact that Osama bin Laden would have been wise to take an exit from his lair.

As it turns out, President Obama made a really good joke and delivered it well. As I recall:

"There are rumors out that Michelle Bachmann was born in Canada...

that's how it starts!"

It took a swipe at the then-commonplace and unfounded rumor that the President was born outside the US and thus ineligible for the Presidency.

He can do comedy. So what? Bill Clinton could play a saxophone, and Harry Truman could play the piano. But just think of how President Obama has dealt with disasters... anticipating them if at all possible, and responding swiftly and competency as if he had rehearsed a response.


He has a sense of humor, which humanizes him. Humorless Presidents have had problems. But before you compare him to Caligula, Nero, or Commodus -- President Obama hasn't appeared in boxing matches or participated in auto races to win easily. Entertainment in America gets no federal funding, so it remains strictly a free-enterprise activity as it wasn't in Imperial Rome.
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The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters







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Quote Originally Posted by Wallace 88 View Post
iow, we elect people who never pay an objective price for bad decision making. Might explain a lot.
Attorneys who lose too many cases (unless appointed to defend the indefensible or allotted too few resources, as in many cases involving the death penalty) need to leave the legal profession or find some other specialty within the legal profession.

Oh, by the way -- Dubya could not get admitted to law school; he illustrates why legal training is a good idea for high office. Dubya was objectively a horrible President, and the only pretext that anyone can have for claiming that Dubya is a better President than any other is that one more agrees with him on ideology than one agrees with some other President.
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The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters







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Quote Originally Posted by pbrower2a View Post
... We tend to elect attorneys, as a rule intellectual generalists well prepared for the activities that don't have profit-or-loss or technical consequences, as President. We generally do not elect physicians, dentists, engineers, CPAs, computer programmers, or research scientists as President even though those are often brilliant. In fact we have elected only one PhD (Woodrow Wilson) for whom we have very mixed results.
Just a personal observation ... having worked with and around many physicians over the years ... the more egotistical of them have this curious perspective on their own mental abilities ... for some reason they become convinced that having prevailed in a challenging field like medicine, somehow makes them experts in EVERYTHING.
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Quote Originally Posted by TnT View Post
Just a personal observation ... having worked with and around many physicians over the years ... the more egotistical of them have this curious perspective on their own mental abilities ... for some reason they become convinced that having prevailed in a challenging field like medicine, somehow makes them experts in EVERYTHING.
That seems a good observation to me. They are consulted as absolute authorities. Dr. Carson seems to have been infected, so to speak, with this virus of egotism.
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
That seems a good observation to me. They are consulted as absolute authorities. Dr. Carson seems to have been infected, so to speak, with this virus of egotism.
Very contagious. Perhaps physicians are more susceptible than, say, politicians or contributors to political forums...







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Quote Originally Posted by B Butler View Post
Very contagious. Perhaps physicians are more susceptible than, say, politicians or contributors to political forums...
Hmmm... Forum ego Virii have resistance/susceptibility factors to consider.

The susceptibility risk factors for the ego virus are:
A. Male gender.
B. Sorries in advance. Generation = Boomer.
C. As per above, occupation.
D. Fat tail on the IQ test statistical curve. Both lower than average and higher than average are risk factors.
E. Very high income / asset owners. Cf. Trump.
MBTI step II type : Expressive INTP

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"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
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