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Post#1051 at 11-19-2015 08:45 AM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Quote Originally Posted by Earl and Mooch View Post
This ex-general wants to use the military to convert the world to Christianity. He's Ben Carson's foreign policy guru

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/This-ex-general-wants-to-use-the-military-to-convert-the-world-to-Christianity-Hes-Ben-Carsons-foreign-policy-guru.html
OK. To be honest, I was expecting an Air Force General. Their Academy is a Christian university - no less do than Liberty or Regent. But yeah, the military is full of the reflexively righteous.
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Post#1052 at 11-19-2015 08:51 AM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Quote Originally Posted by herbal tee View Post
Not really because Carson is never going to be elected president.
I wrote about six different snarky comments, but it's hard to beat-up someone who seems bent on doing it to himself. Carson is the comic relief of the campaign, and that's saying a lot.
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Quote Originally Posted by Cynic Hero '86 View Post
Do you think the American people want to be governed by establishment weaklings. Do you actually think they want government by Wilsonian weakling. The government should stop shoving "human rights" and "globalism" down our throats.
You need to quit shoving your insanity down our throats.
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Post#1054 at 11-19-2015 10:17 AM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Quote Originally Posted by Cynic Hero '86 View Post
Do you think the American people want to be governed by establishment weaklings. Do you actually think they want government by Wilsonian weakling. The government should stop shoving "human rights" and "globalism" down our throats.
Our' weak' and 'indecisive' President has sent several extremely dangerous terrorists to the Infernal Inn as permanent guests. A hint: the cheapest chain of motels is much more pleasant than where Osama bin Laden and Johnny Jihad are.

Another 'weak' President chose to impose or restore democratic values upon Italy, Germany, Austria, and Japan. That worked. America has waged war, but almost exclusively against regimes with atrocious records of human rights at the time. Democracies may have as many disputes with other democracies as with tyrannies -- but democracies usually find negotiated settlements. Tyrannies try to solve their international problems once and for all through conquest and subjugation.

The democracies do not like war, but they have a better record of winning.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
It struck me as very lack lustre.
Perhaps, just keep in mind it's a relative thing -

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Quote Originally Posted by Cynic Hero '86 View Post
Do you think the American people want to be governed by establishment weaklings. Do you actually think they want government by Wilsonian weakling. The government should stop shoving "human rights" and "globalism" down our throats.


Obviously those, like yourself, whose cerebral lobes are put in check by their enlarged or overstimulated, more primitive, reptilian-like, fight-or-flight part of the brain, known as the amygdala, do not. (This is generally genetic, but just in case, ask your doctor about the possibility of a brain tumor.)

For those of with fully functioning cerebral lobes, your 'thinking' is pretty frightening.

Fortunately, you all are diminishing in relative numbers.

Unfortunately, events can still frighten otherwise fully-functioning people temporarily into insanity similar to that which you are permanently mired in. The sane have to fight the impulse within themselves and with each other. It's been good to have an adult in the WH these last seven years, we need to make damn sure that remains the case in the coming election.
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Post#1057 at 11-19-2015 11:29 AM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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I posted this (with some modifications) in an election forum.

A terrorist strike brings out the worst fears in people even if it is in another country. Fear promotes right-wing authoritarians, and all Republican candidates for President are right-wing authoritarians. Not one of the prospective nominees for President is simply a conservative who prefers a measured response to danger than exploiting fear for every possible advantage.

Polls this week in Colorado, Florida, Iowa, New Hampshire and Wisconsin, all swing states in one of the last four elections, show much the same trend. If the Presidential election were to be held today, then just about any Republican nominee would defeat Hillary Clinton in a landslide. Such is this moment of time. The only states with ten or more electoral votes that she would win would be California, Washington, Wisconsin, New York, Maryland, Massachusetts, and perhaps New Jersey. You can fill in the gaps in the description, but in general the only state that Hillary Clinton would win if the election were held today the only states that aren't on the Atlantic or Pacific coasts would be Vermont and Wisconsin. She would lose Pennsylvania, Virginia, Michigan, Illinois, and Minnesota. It is that bad.

Right-wing authoritarians thrive on fear -- fear of ethnic and racial minorities, fear of crime, fear of terrorism, fear of conspiracies, fear of other religions, fear of Divine judgment, fear of hostile powers, fear of arcane conspiracies, and fear of the general demise of civilization. Solutions? Such would take away the appeal of fear-mongers and the whole basis of right-wing authoritarianism. It's hard to sell people on hierarchy, inequality, and repression for their own sake if they endure them; people tolerate them only in fear and rebel against them when the opportunity arises. Oddly a real danger that requires some economic regimentation (global warming) is out of their sight. Fake dangers like the prospect of Sharia law are more effective than a real danger like global warming.

Although there is some diversity among objects of fear of right-wing authoritarians, fear is the cornerstone of them all. Adolf Hitler had little to offer but fear, and had no qualms about provoking the most destructive assaults by foreign enemies as proof of some apocalyptic danger while keeping Germans afraid of the Jews. We all know about the Klan and the Birch Society. Theocratic rightists like Mike Huckabee and Pat Robertson may eschew racism (modern antisemitism is racist in its seedy philosophizing) because they would rather have Jews as converted collaborators than as enemies but see a deterioration of Christian faith as the cause of an impending ruin of Western civilization.

Radical reforms (the Far Left) or even measured responses (conservatism) might work better in solving problems, but they require rational thought. Because it is his nature President Obama can hardly consider anything other than a measured response to a terrorist threat. Unlike the authoritarian Right which can bluster as intensely and recklessly as it wishes while calling the President 'weak' and 'indecisive'. Republicans gain in a climate of fear and lose only when either someone else solves the problem or the Republicans fail catastrophically.

That 'weak' and 'indecisive' President has dispatched plenty of terrorists to the Infernal Inn that the damned never check out of. I expect more of the same from our President. His style as a leader is unlikely to change. However awkward his style (stereotypical of a 60-something Reactive like Washington, John Adams, Cleveland, Truman, or Eisenhower) is in the generational cycle, one can imagine far worse. Indeed, with the current crop of GOP candidates for President and a memory of the (incredibly awful) previous President, one needs little imagination.

As FDR said in a time more dangerous than this one, when Western civilization was headed toward its own civil war,

"We have nothing to fear... but Fear Itself!"
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Post#1058 at 11-20-2015 05:21 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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There is some improvement in Clinton's numbers nationally according to the PPP (D) poll, and yesterday some improvement in New Hampshire. Rubio, one of the leading and most articulate fearmongers, is still beating Hillary though. We'll see how long the fear bump lasts.
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Post#1059 at 11-20-2015 07:07 PM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
There is some improvement in Clinton's numbers nationally according to the PPP (D) poll, and yesterday some improvement in New Hampshire. Rubio, one of the leading and most articulate fearmongers, is still beating Hillary though. We'll see how long the fear bump lasts.
I predict that it won't last. President Obama has wisely avoided the chest-pumping bellicosity that Republicans have exercised. As usual he has done the right thing by letting the French punish the Infernal State with air strikes. The grief is legitimately French. The French got the alleged ringleaders in the attack, and those ringleaders chose death by cop over taking their chances with the French legal system.

Responsible people, including the Obama Administration, mainstream Islam, and of course the French military and police did their jobs well. Not-so-responsible people made fools of themselves. That includes Congressional Republicans, some Republican governors, and right-wing American media who shot off their mouths .
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The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


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Post#1060 at 11-21-2015 02:02 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Jessie Ventura for president?

Well, he beats Hillary by one point in the horoscope score, 10-8. Not sure that's enough for an outsider.

Interviewed here by his good-looking son.
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Unfortunately Ventura went full conspiracy nut after he left the MN governor's mansion.
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Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
Unfortunately Ventura went full conspiracy nut after he left the MN governor's mansion.
Which conspiracy theories does he believe in?
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
Which conspiracy theories does he believe in?

He's a 9/11 Truther.
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Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
He's a 9/11 Truther.
Not sure. What I have heard from him so far on another video is that he thinks that Bush and Cheney knew it was coming. I thought that was already proven by the congressional inquiry. I'm not a 9-11 truther, but I think they probably knew and didn't act.

Any other conspiracies theories? Chemtrails? etc.? I think he does talk about JFK. I think Oswald did it, so I'm not with him on that one.
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I can't vouch for the source, but maybe this one is enough to derail the Trump bandwagon if it ever gets out, and verified:

Donald Trump Admits There’s A Lot Of Great Ideas In Mein Kampf
November 20, 2015
http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/201...in-mein-kampf/

AMERICAN presidential hopeful Donald Trump has admitted to drawing on the measured and reasoned writings of Adolf Hilter’s manifesto Mein Kampf in an effort to find a solution to the ‘Muslim problem’.

Speaking at a Republican rally, Trump endorsed proposals such as collating a database on US citizens who happen to be Muslim, and perhaps issuing them with a unique ID, much to the derision and disgust of many American citizens.

“I’m going to come up with the best way of discriminating against a large group of people, believe you me, and this guy Hitler, he had some good ideas, but he didn’t go far enough, let’s make America great again,” Trump said to a surprising number of applause from the crowd.

Citing the threat posed by Syrian refugees using made-up facts for the purposes of inciting hate and fear, Trump said he had leafed through his old first edition copy of Mein Kampf and admitted it was a great read, with a wealth of great information and arguments.

“I mean, the guy was a socialist let’s not forget that, but he had one, maybe two good ideas, he went on to tattoo large groups of troublesome people and rounded them up in prisons and camps, this is what we have to do,” Trump added.

Trump admitted, however, that he had a problem with the idea of applying a star to the clothes of Muslims living in America.

“I’d be happy to replace it with a Trump logo, that’s a great branding opportunity, and some giant ‘X’ or something through the word ‘Muslim’, believe you me, this would solve everything,” Trump concluded.

Now, Just Passing Through, what were you saying about Trump being a good example of the Gen X leadership you want?

No bigotry there, eh?

(my comments to JPT assume, of course, that the source for this is legit, and I admit I don't know that)
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More Trump trivia, again not sure about all the sources, though there are some links at this website:

Donald Trump Actually Kept A Book Of Adolf Hitler’s Speeches By His Bedside
AUTHOR: JOHN PRAGER AUGUST 23, 2015 10:51 AM
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/08...y-his-bedside/

Donald Trump has a white supremacy problem. No, it’s not his scores and scores of white supremacist followers. It’s not even the guy who screamed “White Power” seven or eight times directly behind Trump at a White Person Rally in Mobile, Alabama (a city that is more than 50 percent African-American). It’s the fact that he won’t acknowledge the issue — and the fact that, for at least a period of his life, he literally kept a collection of Adolf Hitler’s speeches within arm’s reach while he slept.

By now, we all know that Donald Trump has “a great relationship with the blacks.” He tells us so himself. In fact, he has such a great relationship with “the blacks” that he wishes he was a “well-educated black” because “they have the actual advantage today.” Never mind that he was once sued by the Justice Department over his racist rental practices, or that he feels “laziness is a trait” in “blacks.”

But as much as Trump loves black people, who he says will absolutely vote for him, there’s one thing he will not allow a black man to do for him — count his money. For that, you need a Jewish dude:

“Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are little short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.”

Trump, who thinks that President Obama was born in Kenya, believes vaccines cause autism, and is quite certain that bombing “the hell out of the oil fields” in Iraq would decimate ISIS, despite his love of “the blacks,” is attracting hood-wearing, meth-addled, sister-marrying degenerates faster than a fried butter festival inside a time vortex to 1963 Birmingham, Alabama (or, as they call it, “the good old days”). Sure, Trump is more than a little racist — but that’s not why they love him; it’s that he’s the key to a White-Wing takeover of America.

On Stormfront, a haven for people with low IQs, too much time on their hands, and an irrational hatred for everyone whose skin isn’t as white as a Colgate cap, the crowd goes wild over Trump. One poster explained:

Imagine Trump tries to close the border and deport. Then the courts block him. Then he orders law enforcement to act anyway under presidential protection. This is an entirely possible scenario.

It’s also possible that just as Blacks saw Obama as a blanket mandate to riot and burn, marginalized White people might get funny ideas too under a Trump presidency. I think you will find White law enforcement and military highly disinclined to do anything as pro White street actions begin re-modelling large sections of our country.

But first he has to win.

“Trump is attacking the very underpinnings of White genocide which are third world invasion and political correctness,” another user said. “That is why every component of the machine, including the Republican party, wants him gone. Except the people don’t want it, and you can’t silence the people unless they want to be silenced.”

Not once has Donald Trump attempted to silence his vocal “not-racist” supporters. In fact, he defends them. For quite some time, Trump has been making the case that any Mexican you meet, anywhere, ever, is going to rape you, kill you, or give you drugs. He has promised to finally build the Great Wall of Stupid along the United States’ southern border (and force Mexicans to pay for it). Unsurprisingly, this led to violence.

“Donald Trump was right,” said two men as they beat homeless Hispanic man with a metal pipe and then urinated on him. “All these illegals need to be deported.” Trump called the attack “terrible,” reminding his fans and followers that “we need energy and passion, but we must treat each other with respect. I would never condone violence.”

But Trump wasn’t too worried about the incident. He later defended the men as patriots who just want to make America great again:

“I will say, the people that are following me are very passionate. They love this country, they want this country to be great again.”

The victim in the attack is not undocumented, of course, but thanks to Trump’s demonization of an entire group of people as drug dealers, criminals, rapists, and any other number of scary buzzwords — just like Hitler — he was targeted.

Now, no one can accuse Trump of being antisemitic — after all, he demands that a Jewish guy count his money…always. But a 25-year-old Vanity Fair interview might reveal what it is about Trump that white supremacists find so appealing. His uber-nationalistic rhetoric, which seems hinged on demonizing “illegals,” is, quite literally, just like Hitler — which probably explains the copy of My New Order his ex-wife says he kept by his bedside:

Last April, perhaps in a surge of Czech nationalism, Ivana Trump told her lawyer Michael Kennedy that from time to time her husband reads a book of Hitler’s collected speeches, My New Order, which he keeps in a cabinet by his bed. Kennedy now guards a copy of My New Order in a closet at his office, as if it were a grenade. Hitler’s speeches, from his earliest days up through the Phony War of 1939, reveal his extraordinary ability as a master propagandist.

“Did your cousin John give you the Hitler speeches?” I asked Trump.

Trump hesitated. “Who told you that?”

“I don’t remember,” I said.

“Actually, it was my friend Marty Davis from Paramount who gave me a copy of Mein Kampf, and he’s a Jew.”

Davis clarified that he is not Jewish, and that the book was indeed My New Order. “I did give him a book about Hitler,” he said. “But it was My New Order, Hitler’s speeches, not Mein Kampf. I thought he would find it interesting. I am his friend, but I’m not Jewish.”

If you’re a person wanting to learn the art of propaganda, then you need look no further than the fine works of Adolf Hitler — and it’s working. Trump, no matter how horrible he is, has surged to the top of the polls to become the frontrunner in the GOP race to be the person to lose to Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders — and he seems to have learned a lot from that collection of Mr. Tiny Moustache’s speeches.

In commentary posted on journalism institute Poynter’s web site, medical ethicist Art Caplan and media ethicist Kelly McBride have a lot to say about Trump’s rhetoric. “Can Trump win? It seems unlikely, especially after this weekend,” they wrote shortly after the billionaire called Mexicans rapists. “Of course that is what the media said about a funny-looking spewer of hate with an odd mustache who was dismissed as an awful public speaker and not a serious candidate in Germany in the 1930s.” They continued:

“We certainly have a more robust political system than 1930s Germany. But Trump’s racist rhetoric should be viewed in the repugnant tradition of Hitler. When you call all Mexicans rapists, criminals, losers, and the source of disease (that last claim was an old Nazi favorite), when you disparage Mexican-Americans at every turn as the cause of all the country’s woes, and when you have the money to get your message out, journalists should take you seriously.”

“Such speech is a classic ploy to sow divisiveness and generate fear. That his message finds a home at all should be alarming,” the pair wrote. “It’s one thing to argue about immigration policies. It’s a completely different thing to condemn an entire ethnic group. (Imagine if Trump were saying these things about Jews?).”

Caplan and McBride condemned the Huffington Post for demoting Trump to the entertainment section — a move they say, while funny, can have dangerous consequences:

“Trump’s racist views and his misinformation legitimize those same ideas among a swath of American citizens who fear the changing demographics of the country. Rather than rolling our eyes, let’s take Donald Trump seriously. Treating him as a clown rather than a candidate gives him permission spew hate.”

Trump is certainly not a Nazi. While a racist, no one can say he is a white supremacist. His idea of the Master Race requires dollar signs rather than skin tone. But he has taken the very effective propaganda of ‘Mr. Reich’ and made it his own, applying it to win over the gullible and stupid with fear tactics, lies, and misinformation. Trump will never admit to reading the book, but the spirit of Adolf Hitler is alive in all of Trump’s words and actions — there’s just a more elite Übermenschen and a new boogeyman to round up and exterminate.

And his message is received loud and clear, though those hearing it don’t realize that Trump considers them Untermenschen, as well, unless they are monied.
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
I can't vouch for the source, but maybe this one is enough to derail the Trump bandwagon if it ever gets out, and verified:

Donald Trump Admits There’s A Lot Of Great Ideas In Mein Kampf
November 20, 2015
http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/201...in-mein-kampf/

AMERICAN presidential hopeful Donald Trump has admitted to drawing on the measured and reasoned writings of Adolf Hilter’s manifesto Mein Kampf in an effort to find a solution to the ‘Muslim problem’.

Speaking at a Republican rally, Trump endorsed proposals such as collating a database on US citizens who happen to be Muslim, and perhaps issuing them with a unique ID, much to the derision and disgust of many American citizens.

“I’m going to come up with the best way of discriminating against a large group of people, believe you me, and this guy Hitler, he had some good ideas, but he didn’t go far enough, let’s make America great again,” Trump said to a surprising number of applause from the crowd.

Citing the threat posed by Syrian refugees using made-up facts for the purposes of inciting hate and fear, Trump said he had leafed through his old first edition copy of Mein Kampf and admitted it was a great read, with a wealth of great information and arguments.

“I mean, the guy was a socialist let’s not forget that, but he had one, maybe two good ideas, he went on to tattoo large groups of troublesome people and rounded them up in prisons and camps, this is what we have to do,” Trump added.
Trump admitted, however, that he had a problem with the idea of applying a star to the clothes of Muslims living in America.

“I’d be happy to replace it with a Trump logo, that’s a great branding opportunity, and some giant ‘X’ or something through the word ‘Muslim’, believe you me, this would solve everything,” Trump concluded.
I don't believe it. Donald Trump is simply an intellectual mediocrity who fails to contemplate the consequences of his political speech -- he is not so stupid that he would have any good to say of Mein Kampf. It is thoroughly awful reading. But significantly, what Hitler says of the Jews would have to offend anyone who has dealings with Jews, a big part of the Establishment in the northeastern USA.

One thing that you could count on: if anybody started compelling Muslims in America to wear distinguishing badges, the Jews would turn on that person fast. Another: it would not pass Constitutional muster.
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
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Now, Just Passing Through, what were you saying about Trump being a good example of the Gen X leadership you want?

No bigotry there, eh?

(my comments to JPT assume, of course, that the source for this is legit, and I admit I don't know that)
Nice one, Eric!


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PS: So, are you gonna delete this post like you did the last
time you got busted falling for a bogus website?
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Post#1069 at 11-21-2015 06:56 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by princeofcats67 View Post
Nice one, Eric!


Prince

PS: So, are you gonna delete this post like you did the last
time you got busted falling for a bogus website?
No, I think I'll keep it. I admitted that it might not be legit. You conveniently ignore that, since it does not fit with your own manufactured image of me.

Besides, satire often contains a good measure of truth.

Do you think I should delete the one that says he reads Adolf Hitler too?

(Yes I edited out the "crawl back" remark, but TnT quoted it before I could delete it)
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Post#1070 at 11-21-2015 06:59 PM by TnT [at joined Feb 2005 #posts 2,005]
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
Do you think I should delete the one that says he reads Adolf Hitler too?

Crawl back in your cave; you have nothing to contribute to this discussion.
Seriously, Eric, did you get hoaxed? I mean really ... "Hitler had some good ideas but he didn't go far enough?" Really?
" ... a man of notoriously vicious and intemperate disposition."







Post#1071 at 11-21-2015 07:01 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by TnT View Post
Seriously, Eric, did you get hoaxed? I mean really ... "Hitler had some good ideas but he didn't go far enough?" Really?
Not really, because I looked and I couldn't find any confirmation for the story. So I said it might not be legit. But now I also see under "disclaimer" that it is satirical.

The other site that claims Trump reads Hitler's speeches doesn't seem to have a disclaimer though. So, not sure about that one.
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Post#1072 at 11-22-2015 04:59 PM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Senator David Vitter (R-LA) will not be running for re-election. One more open seat.



Approval polls only. Estimate on Utah based upon a gigantic lead in a matchup.




Gray -- no incumbent at risk.
White -- retiring incumbent or (should it happen) an incumbent defeated in a primary, with "D" or "R" for the party in question.
Yellow -- incumbent under indictment or with a terminal diagnosis short of the completion of his term, with "D" or "R" for the party in question.

Light green -- Republican incumbent apparently running for re-election, no polls.
Light orange -- Democratic incumbent apparently running for re-election, no polls.

Blue -- Republican running for re-election with current polls available.
Red -- Democrat running for re-election with current polls available.

Tan -- incumbent Senator credibly running for another office. Approval and party (D, R) shown


Intensity percentage shows the first digit of the approval of the incumbent Senator --

"2" for approval between 20% and 30%, "3" for approval between 30% and 39%... "7" for approval between 70% and 79%.

Numbers are recent approval ratings for incumbent Senators if their approvals are below 55%. I'm not showing any number for any incumbent whose approval is 55% or higher because even this early that looks very safe.

An asterisk (*) is for an appointed incumbent (there are none now) because appointed pols have never shown their electability.

Approval only (although I might accept A/B/C/D/F) -- not favorability. I do not use any Excellent-Good-Fair-Poor ratings because "fair" is ambiguous. A fair performance by a 7-year-old violinist might impress you. A 'fair' performance by an adult violinist indicates something for which you would not want to buy a ticket.

NO PARTISAN POLLS.

What I see so far with incumbents:

App Rep Dem

<40 7 0
40-44 2 0
45-49 0 2
50-54 3 0
55-59 0 0
>60 1 2
retire 3 3
indict 0 1
oth off 1 0
no poll 6 2


Now -- my projection for the 2016 Senate election:

Sure R:

Alabama
Idaho
Iowa
North Dakota
South Carolina
South Dakota
Utah


Likely R:
Alaska
Kansas


Edge R:
Arizona
Arkansas
Georgia
Indiana
Kentucky
Louisiana


Tossups
Missouri
Nevada
North Carolina
Ohio
Pennsylvania


All but one of the current tossups are current R seats.

Edge D:
Colorado
Florida*
New Hampshire*


Likely D:
Oregon
Washington


Solid D:
California
Connecticut
Hawaii
Illinois*
Maryland
Vermont
Wisconsin*


*flip (so far all R to D)

New Jersey looks like a fairly sure hold should current, but indicted, Senator Bob Menendez be compelled to resign.
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The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


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Post#1073 at 11-22-2015 05:28 PM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
Not really, because I looked and I couldn't find any confirmation for the story. So I said it might not be legit. But now I also see under "disclaimer" that it is satirical.

The other site that claims Trump reads Hitler's speeches doesn't seem to have a disclaimer though. So, not sure about that one.
I have seen enough of the content of Hitler's speeches -- and it is usually a reach for the visceral with shouting. Lincoln, Churchill, FDR, Martin Luther King, and Mandela are far better in their word choice. It's easy to tire of "spirit", "nation", and "blood", let alone the cruel denunciations of the Jews. Look at the words, and you come to the realization that Hitler was more a shouter than a speaker. Mussolini was much the same.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters







Post#1074 at 11-22-2015 05:51 PM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Here I show the polling for the week after the terrorist horrors in Paris. I see this as a possible low point for Democratic hopes for the Presidency. If Republicans can make the 2016 Presidential election all about national security, then they win big. Such is so even if the Republicans push incompetent and bigoted proposals. They can win with fear that then gives them enough power to push their reactionary agenda on economics and 'social issues'.

Polls are shown from last week show Florida, Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, Virginia, and Wisconsin, all legitimate swing states. Ohio was apparently last polled before Hillary Clinton got entangled in the server and Benghazi investigations, so I figure Ohio would also swing the same way. Pennsylvania was last polled when Hillary Clinton was still entangled in the server and Benghazi investigations.

I show this as the most likely low point for the Democratic nominee before November 2016. Barack Obama is not given to bluster, something at which Republicans are masters. But if we are going to have terrorists as enemies, are we wiser to let them think that they are getting away with their depredations only to be killed by a missile strike or that the politicians in charge say tough things but have no clue?

Exit Huckabee, enter Cruz. Those with experience in public office:


Hillary Clinton vs. Jeb Bush




Hillary Clinton(D) vs. Ted Cruz (R)



Hillary Clinton vs. Marco Rubio



Red -- Democratic. Blue -- Republican.

30% -- lead with 40-49% but a margin of 3% or less
40% -- lead with 40-49% but a margin of 4% or more
60% -- lead with 50-54%
70% -- lead with 55-59%
90% -- lead with 60% or more
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters







Post#1075 at 11-22-2015 05:54 PM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Others:

Hillary Clinton vs. Ben Carson



Hillary Clinton vs. Carly Fiorina




Hillary Clinton vs. Donald Trump



30% -- lead with 40-49% but a margin of 3% or less
40% -- lead with 40-49% but a margin of 4% or more
60% -- lead with 50-54%
70% -- lead with 55-59%
90% -- lead with 60% or more
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
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