I still don't know where you are seeing these polls.
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Angry
Yet another poll, this one from Pew as reported by CNN, saying lots of Republicans are angry at government. Not really new. One odd snippet caught my eye...
This leaves me disappointed with the Democrats.Originally Posted by Pew-CNN
Not really new
Republicans have tended to be more engaged and intense in their anger with the system for quite a while. We see the output of this every off year election when the on paper Democratic voting advantage disappears through low turnout.
Trump would bring back torture.
This is no hoax. I don't quite understand who he's going to torture, though. The refugees? The 2% of single guys coming over here? Is he going to attack, capture and torture all the "strong men" he sees walking through Europe on TV? He says the USA is not the world's policeman, and is not going to send troops but only bombs to the lands of the Islamic State. So who's he going to torture?
Just a demagogue who can't think, that's who the Donald is, and that's who one-third of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents want in the Oval Office. Obviously, they can't think either. Even our own JPT wants him. What does that say about him?
Trump would bring back waterboarding
He also doubles down on a statement he made about New Jersey Muslims cheering 9/11.
By JON PRIOR 11/22/15 10:45 AM EST Updated 11/22/15 06:48 PM EST
Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump said Sunday he would allow U.S. interrogators to waterboard suspected terrorists in the wake of the recent attacks in Paris.
“I would bring it back, yes,” Trump said on ABC’s “This Week.”
Trump cited the Islamic State's treatment of its captives to justify bringing back the so-called enhanced interrogation technique — widely considered a form of torture — that the Obama administration has discontinued.
“I would bring it back,” Trump said. “I think waterboarding is peanuts compared to what they’d do to us, what they’re doing to us, what they did to James Foley when they chopped off his head. That’s a whole different level, and I would absolutely bring back interrogation and strong interrogation.”
Trump also doubled down on his call for a database for Muslims entering the U.S., suggesting the migration of Syrian refugees could be a “Trojan horse.” And he brushed aside statistics showing that the majority of those fleeing violence there are women and children.
He also said the U.S. should conduct surveillance of mosques, and he didn't back down from his claims — disputed by police — that Arabs in New Jersey cheered the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center in New York.
"It was on television. I saw it," Trump said Sunday morning on ABC.
Jersey City Mayor Steven Fulop angrily rejected Trump's assertions.
"Either @realDonald Trump has memory issues or willfully distorts the truth, either of which should be concerning for the Republican Party," Fulop tweeted.
On Sunday morning, Trump also addressed an incident in which a Black Lives Matter protester was reportedly roughed up at a Trump campaign event Saturday in Alabama.
"Maybe he should have been roughed up," Trump told Fox's Ed Henry," because it was absolutely disgusting what he was doing."
The protester, according to Al.com, was Mercutio Southall Jr., who was characterized as "a well-known Birmingham activist." According to their account, Southall said that at one point, "he was being pushed and punched from every direction."
Trump’s latest round of inflammatory remarks, however, has not derailed his campaign.
Almost one-third of registered Republican voters and Republican-leading independents said they would support the real estate mogul, according to a new poll by The Washington Post and ABC News. He also showed gains in a new Fox News poll.
Still, he wouldn’t rule out an independent run.
“I will see what happens,” Trump said. “I have to be treated fairly.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/1...#ixzz3sKhKpamy
Last edited by Eric the Green; 01-01-2016 at 04:02 PM.
Gubernatorial approval:
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A positive approval rating under 45% is treated as a tie.
blue -- Republican incumbent with positive or neutral approval
20% -- tie (less than 1%) or positive approval under 45%
40% -- approval 45 - 49%
50% -- approval 50 - 54%
60% -- approval 55 - 59%
80% -- approval over 60%
green -- Republican incumbent with negative approval
20% -- approval 45 - 49%
40% -- approval 40 - 44%
50% -- approval 35 - 39%
80% -- approval under 35%
red --Democratic incumbent with positive or neutral approval
20% -- tie (less than 1%) or positive approval under 45%
40% -- approval 45 - 49%
50% -- approval 50 - 54%
60% -- approval 55 - 59%
80% -- approval over 60%
orange -- Democratic incumbent with negative approval
20% -- approval 45 - 49%
40% -- approval 40 - 44%
50% -- approval 35 - 39%
80% -- approval under 35%
No governor, governor in transition, or non-partisan governor -- white.
Positive approval under 45% -- (now treated as if a tie).
The newest poll takes precedence, but no internal polls or polls commissioned by a partisan entity, trade group, or union.
* -- appointed Governor.
http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/ind...492#msg4803492
....This may be valuable insight for determining who might be a possible VP nominee. Someone unpopular in his own state (like Scott Walker) would be of no help as a running mate.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
Donald Trump Has Gone Full Nazi - And If The GOP Doesn't Repudiate It They Own It
By News Corpse
Friday Nov 20, 2015 9:20 AM PST
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/1...t-They-Own-It?
(this does not appear to be a hoax either. So how can one, based only on content, distinguish between a hoax and reality, when it comes to what Donald Trumps says, or Ben Carson or Michelle Bachman or Sarah Palin for that matter)
If the Republican Party is ever going to wake up and shut down this misanthropic racist it had better be now. Donald Trump's latest hateful howling has crossed a line of indecency that is impossible to ignore. And Godwin be damned, he is articulating Nazi rhetoric on a scale not seen since the originals.
See the original version of this article published on NewsCorpse.
Just yesterday Trump told Yahoo News that he would support the development of databases and other systems to track and monitor people in the United States on the basis of their religion. He did not rule out forcing Muslims to have identifying papers or badges. Perhaps he would make them wear a star and crescent in the manner that Hitler's Nazis made Jews wear the Star of David. From Yahoo...
Yahoo News asked Trump whether this level of tracking might require registering Muslims in a database or giving them a form of special identification that noted their religion. He wouldn’t rule it out.
"We’re going to have to — we’re going to have to look at a lot of things very closely," Trump said when presented with the idea. "We’re going to have to look at the mosques. We’re going to have to look very, very carefully."
This grotesque policy position fits nicely with his prior statement that he believes it may be necessary to close mosques in America. He said that "there’s absolutely no choice" because "some really bad things are happening." Apparently one of the "really bad things" isn't the assault on our Constitution's First Amendment guaranteeing freedom of religion. But that's not all, Trump also told Yahoo News that...
"We’re going to have to do things that we never did before. And some people are going to be upset about it, but I think that now everybody is feeling that security is going to rule," Trump said. "And certain things will be done that we never thought would happen in this country in terms of information and learning about the enemy. And so we’re going to have to do certain things that were frankly unthinkable a year ago."
So "security is going to rule." And I'll bet the trains will run on time. And speaking of trains, this is the same man who wants to round up 11,000,000 Latinos for mass deportation. How he proposes to do that is a mystery, but it wouldn't be surprising if it involved boxcars and concentration camps. He approvingly cited the 1950's "Operation Wetback" as a model for his plan. That operation resulted in dozens of deaths and was abandoned as a failure that violated humane standards.
In the short history of Trump's campaign he has gotten away with saying repulsive things and demonstrating overtly bigoted behavior. Even when he disparaged solidly conservative principles like the military sacrifices of John McCain, or making a mockery of the practice of Christianity, his supporters remained faithful. And despite all of that, he still clings to the top of the polls in the Republican presidential primary. There has been an astonishing and troubling loyalty by Republicans who seem unfazed no matter how disgusting or ignorant he gets. And it isn't just his supporters. Other GOP voters, pundits, and candidates, are reluctant to take him on.
If that continues it will be impossible for the GOP to separate themselves from his repugnant views. And the same goes for Fox News, who flagrantly promote Trump's campaign. They are already tied to him on most other issues with which they agree completely. But if they don't want to forever be associated with the outright appeal to the policies of the Nazis, they need to renounce him and cease supporting him. If his polling isn't hurt by this we'll know for sure that a significant chunk of the Republican Party is cool with fascism.
Last edited by Eric the Green; 11-23-2015 at 03:37 PM.
Spun
It may not be a hoax, it might even quote Trump accurately, but at minimum it is spun heavily. Visit the News Corpse front page. One of their other articles is "Sarah Palin And GOP Favor Gun Rights For Terrorists To Open Carry, Just Like Jesus Said."
At first look, News Corpse seems to be a highly politicized propaganda vessel. They seem to be out to feed Blue folk's vile stereotypes.
Still, Trump is often so far out there that it feels entirely plausible.
No hoax either. Posted on another thread.
NewsCorpse is likely mostly-left wing; that doesn't mean they shout out vile stereotypes.At first look, News Corpse seems to be a highly politicized propaganda vessel. They seem to be out to feed Blue folk's vile stereotypes.
Still, Trump is often so far out there that it feels entirely plausible.
What Trump says cannot be spun too far, because it is indeed plausible; as I said, even the hoax that was published that I quoted, is plausible, given what else he has said.
Blue folk mostly don't have vile stereotypes; that's exaggerating. Are they shrill and partisan, yes sometimes (even me sometimes) Still, some people here might point to my pointing out that red states and blue states vote differently, and therefore that I like blue states better, etc., and call that stereotyping. I disagree. I can read elections results quite easily, thank you very much, and I know it's not 0/100, and that voting isn't everything.
On the other hand, I know that scorecards by reputable organizations give out scores for how Republicans and Democrats vote in congress, and on issues I care about like the environment, and it is indeed about 90-10. So so-called "stereotypes" about Republican politicians, especially those in congress, are probably just facts.
Last edited by Eric the Green; 11-23-2015 at 04:26 PM.
Donald Trump: Candidate Says Maybe Black Lives Matter Activist 'Should Have Been Roughed Up'
"It was absolutely disgusting what he was doing," Trump told Fox News Sunday. Mercutio Southall told CNN that attendees at a Trump campaign rally attacked him after he yelled, "Black lives matter."
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/v...ideo?CMP=fb_us
https://www.facebook.com/topic/Donal...70421951090940
It looks like the old white dude has officially become the candidate of the old white dudes.
Last edited by Eric the Green; 01-01-2016 at 04:04 PM.
Hecklers may be obnoxious, but they don't deserve to be roughed up. Roughing up political opponents is for thug causes.
Donald Trump: Candidate Says Maybe Black Lives Matter Activist 'Should Have Been Roughed Up'
"It was absolutely disgusting what he was doing," Trump told Fox News Sunday. Mercutio Southall told CNN that attendees at a Trump campaign rally attacked him after he yelled, "Black lives matter."
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/v...ideo?CMP=fb_us
https://www.facebook.com/topic/Donal...70421951090940
It looks like the old white dude has officially become the candidate of the old white dudes.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
I can't stand milquetoast globalism, so in that regard I may have something in common with CH86. However, here's a critical distinction. If Trump were to somehow win the GOP nomination, not only would I never, never, never vote for him in the general, I would actively campaign against him. I can't think of a better way to get nearly every Democrat and a significant percentage of GOPers, not to mention a large percent of independents, to vote either for the Democratic candidate or various independents. Mostly the former I reckon.
I could see it being like the election of 2002 in France where Le Pen got the second spot in the runoff. only to lose the runoff by an amount on the Napoleonic scale.
But,no, Trump wouldn't lose by 82-18%, it would be more like 63-37ish, IOW more like 1936 and 1964 IMNSHO.
In the latest polls reported by real clear politics, Carson is falling badly in the New England primaries, and falling in Iowa too but still strong, with Cruz and Rubio rising, while Sanders is coming up strong in Iowa and is ahead again in New Hampshire. Trump is leading and still has numbers in the mid-20s to low 30s. Obama has recovered somewhat in his approval ratings.
Let's see how many of these I can find. Our next president!
https://youtu.be/fSbz_H-IF_w
https://youtu.be/4TATnH9bhLg
https://youtu.be/_wWnBdM8OpE
https://youtu.be/e7UcQcD9INI
https://youtu.be/oLWaoMCUg0g
https://youtu.be/a5wBY6D7V34
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
Worth recalling.
As Eco says,
"Fascism became an all-purpose term because one can eliminate from a fascist regime one or more features, and it will still be recognizable as fascist. Take away imperialism from fascism and you still have Franco and Salazar. Take away colonialism and you still have the Balkan fascism of the Ustashes. Add to the Italian fascism a radical anti-capitalism (which never much fascinated Mussolini) and you have Ezra Pound. Add a cult of Celtic mythology and the Grail mysticism (completely alien to official fascism) and you have one of the most respected fascist gurus, Julius Evola."
I can go further. Completely throw off respect for anything Western but technology, and you have the fascism of the Japanese thug empire -- or ISIS. Disregard the Enlightenment in its entirety (including all substance of the American Revolution except independence from the British Crown) and you have the American Ku Klux Klan that loves a murky Anglo-Celtic heritage that never really existed. "Back to the Soil", as in Vichy, rejects even the modernity of industry with its potentially-angry proletariat. It is hard to believe that the country that suffered the most human loss in World War II due to fascism (Russia) could have its own fascism. The large country (India) founded by the liberation struggle most diametrically opposed to fascism has its fascists.
There's nothing fascist about any of the Founding Fathers. Hypocritical, perhaps (as in calling for "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness" while not abolishing slavery) -- but slavery was well entrenched in the West and it was not going away without some costly emancipation whether through big spending and high taxes as in the British Empire or with an even costlier Civil War in America. Not one of the Founding Fathers of America has anything in common with fascism. Lincoln is about as close to an antithesis to fascism as there could ever be, except perhaps for the man that I consider the last Founding father of American democracy -- Martin Luther King. (That is how I see Martin Luther King, the equivalent of a Founding Father for closing one of the gaps).
The best cure for the fascist tendency is the acceptance of diversity -- the recognize that other national identity and cultural traditions are as valid as one's own. For liberals this is easy. For genuine conservatives this is not so easy (because they usually seek to preserve class privilege), but it distinguishes them from fascists. Conservatives must distinguish themselves from fascists if they are to have any credibility -- and such implies recognizing a not-so mythical Enlightenment as a necessity, acceptance of the equality of other cultures, and the rejection of political violence. Such is pragmatic enough to be suitable for most conservatives.
So, fascists, keep your filthy hands off my brethren, people who may not look like me or pray as I do.
Last edited by pbrower2a; 11-27-2015 at 06:12 PM.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
Donald Trump accused of mocking reporter's disability:
https://youtu.be/Z2mDBnI6o4M
He seemed a lot more sensible, and (to imitate him a little) a lot more handsome when he was younger
https://youtu.be/SEPs17_AkTI
Maybe he's just a bitter old man now, and his supporters are just bitter old men too.
Can we thank Oprah for his run?
Bill Maher has lots of fun with The Donald, and trumps him!
https://youtu.be/N3kWN561SJQ
Why doesn't Bill run?
President Obama has his way with The Donald too:
https://youtu.be/k8TwRmX6zs4
and by the way it's fitting that Obama is a Leo, so his birth video is accurate
Last edited by Eric the Green; 11-27-2015 at 12:45 AM.
Yes, that's the REAL trouble with Donald Trump, he's just not as handsome as he used to be.
What Trump said in 88 isn't different than what he's been saying recently.
yeah but he only said the things that still make sense!
A little nostalgia might be nice. And I'm sure we'll all miss our president when he is no longer in office. And it's better than to try to resurrect a buried thread.
And of course, John McCain. He ran that year too, I think. As I look back on it, I am amazed that in the midst of the economic crash, McCain did as well as he did. And hopefully perhaps, we'll be missing him in the Senate as we miss his 2008 opponent in the White House.
Part 2:
https://youtu.be/ev6znvyIgtY
Last edited by Eric the Green; 11-27-2015 at 01:28 AM.
Ready for more nostalgia? 4 years later. This time, instead of a war hero roasting the president, we have a corporate raider who paved the way for Obamacare. But his campaign staff, Joe the Plummer, probably wrote this speech. It's good, tho!
I must say, I think Romney won this debate #two and a half. He got in better zingers, and he made fewer jokes on himself than Obama did. I guess that's a win? And God bless the USA!
