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Post#2476 at 02-25-2016 05:18 PM by Classic-X'er [at joined Sep 2012 #posts 1,789]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Yea, the Social Darwinism of Cruz/Rubio is what makes me a tad more comfortable with Trump. However, I certainly don't buy into the notion that illegal immigration has much of anything to do with levels of unemployment. This is not the 1920s and there's no credible research supporting displacement. I do buy into "replacement" - jobs that no citizen is going to take in the context of the alternatives (e.g., school, retirement, stay-at-home parent) available as well as those immigrants economic activity actually leading to more jobs - the countries most screwed in the coming years are those with low birth rates AND low immigration. Not a fan of illegal immigration; we need comprehensive immigration reform but it needs to based on facts/logic with a sprinkling of empathy rather than stupidity and the suck-up-and-punch-down emotional maturity of the typical t-bagger.
Liberals have been talking about wanting and seeing the need for comprehensive immigration reform for how long now?







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Quote Originally Posted by Classic-X'er View Post
Liberals have been talking about wanting and seeing the need for comprehensive immigration reform for how long now?
Well one silver lining to waiting for you all's political demise is that we can add a provision to deport you all to Greenland!
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Its not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. Its much more akin to printing money. - B.Bernanke


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Post#2478 at 02-25-2016 05:27 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by Classic-X'er View Post
What do expect, you're a threat their lifestyles and their control over your lifestyles.
Odin is just working on the seven steps a little early -

- Shock or Disbelief
- Denial
- Anger
- Bargaining
- Guilt
- Depression
- Acceptance and Hope

You'll get your turn in November.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service

Its not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. Its much more akin to printing money. - B.Bernanke


"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman

If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite







Post#2479 at 02-25-2016 06:05 PM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Odin is just working on the seven steps a little early -

- Shock or Disbelief
- Denial
- Anger
- Bargaining
- Guilt
- Depression
- Acceptance and Hope
I can imagine it for me:

- Shock or Disbelief -- how can people vote for so callow a demagogue as Donald Trump?
- Denial -- If I watch sports, old movies, travelogues, and nature documentaries I can forget what went on. Better than drinking!
- Anger -- What a stupid people! God, why did you have to put me in America? Maybe You, God, are the Problem!
- Bargaining -- Maybe if I kiss up to the Right People I might slip off to Canada.
- Guilt -- If only I had committed to that 80-hour-as-week job in retail instead of seeking happiness...
- Depression -- This is a world created for my suffering and disappointment.
- Acceptance and Hope -- Maybe I can short-sell the markets.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


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Post#2480 at 02-25-2016 06:39 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Well one silver lining to waiting for you all's political demise is that we can add a provision to deport you all to Greenland!
Which they think is going to be full of rich farmland after global warming! It's going to get rather crowded!
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Post#2481 at 02-25-2016 08:50 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Tonight is the final clown car debate before super tuesday. It will be interesting to see if they try to tackle Trump. That will require some potent verbally-athletic skills just to remain intact! Winning points does not count in a debate with Trump. Only a body blow that knocks him out!
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Post#2482 at 02-25-2016 10:12 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by pbrower2a View Post
I can imagine it for me:

- Shock or Disbelief -- how can people vote for so callow a demagogue as Donald Trump?
- Denial -- If I watch sports, old movies, travelogues, and nature documentaries I can forget what went on. Better than drinking!
- Anger -- What a stupid people! God, why did you have to put me in America? Maybe You, God, are the Problem!
- Bargaining -- Maybe if I kiss up to the Right People I might slip off to Canada.
- Guilt -- If only I had committed to that 80-hour-as-week job in retail instead of seeking happiness...
- Depression -- This is a world created for my suffering and disappointment.
- Acceptance and Hope -- Maybe I can short-sell the markets.
I was thinking more along these lines -

- Shock or Disbelief -- THAT BxTCH!
- Denial -- The polls were skewed! They counted wrong! Where's the Supreme Court when you need them??? AAAAGGGHHHHH!!!!!!
- Anger -- But, but BENGAHZI!!! EMAILS! IRS!!! OBAMACARE!!! MUFASA!!!
- Bargaining -- Okay, if I move to Greenland will they ship my guns for free?
- Guilt -- Crap, maybe we should have gone with Carson, and prayed harder.
- Depression -- There is no America
- Acceptance and Hope -- Mid-Terms! Gerrymandering! Voter Suppression! Real Americans will Prevail!
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service

Its not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. Its much more akin to printing money. - B.Bernanke


"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman

If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite







Post#2483 at 02-25-2016 11:44 PM by Classic-X'er [at joined Sep 2012 #posts 1,789]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Odin is just working on the seven steps a little early -

- Shock or Disbelief
- Denial
- Anger
- Bargaining
- Guilt
- Depression
- Acceptance and Hope

You'll get your turn in November.
If the Republicans loose, they loose and we continue down the same path we have been on for over eight years. We both know the bulk of the posters here don't have the ability to do much of anything on their own. I'm fine, you're fine and that's all that matters for now and the immediate future. Poor people aren't able to do what I do for a living that's why they're poor people. I'm sure you will find creative ways to keep poor people poor enough and scared enough to believe that they still need you and support from the government. Me, I'll just continue doing what I do and continue making money and paying minimal taxes. You'll never be able to count on me for a vote or support which leaves folks like on the line by yourselves. The rich have the ability to cash out and leave you hanging any time they want and we have the same ability of doing that as the rich. So, have fave keeping up with the freebies and the socialists call for more and more freebies . Conservatives don't care if the socialists take over New York and raise its tax rates. The Republicans will be living and moving their business's else where by at the point.
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Post#2484 at 02-25-2016 11:46 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by Classic-X'er View Post
If the Republicans loose, they loose and we continue down the same path we have been on.
If Republicans win, then we continue down the same path we have been on since Reagan; toward banana republic status.
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Post#2485 at 02-25-2016 11:59 PM by Cynic Hero '86 [at Upstate New York joined Jul 2006 #posts 1,285]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
I was thinking more along these lines -

- Shock or Disbelief -- THAT BxTCH!
- Denial -- The polls were skewed! They counted wrong! Where's the Supreme Court when you need them??? AAAAGGGHHHHH!!!!!!
- Anger -- But, but BENGAHZI!!! EMAILS! IRS!!! OBAMACARE!!! MUFASA!!!
- Bargaining -- Okay, if I move to Greenland will they ship my guns for free?
- Guilt -- Crap, maybe we should have gone with Carson, and prayed harder.
- Depression -- There is no America
- Acceptance and Hope -- Mid-Terms! Gerrymandering! Voter Suppression! Real Americans will Prevail!
Selfish boombers are in for a rude awakening come November, Americans will vote heavily for trump. In fact for Hillary the reckoning may come as early as Super Tuesday. The Iraq war, the pathetic response to 9/11 and recession discredited boomer leadership in general in the eyes of Xers and Millies. Trump will liberate our generations from the shackles of boomer elites. America will then take the gloves off, I dream of the day when thousands of islamists are being dragged in front of giant specially prepared ditches and terrorist after terrorist are given the 9mm cure, one after another like a conveyor belt. The General Pacification of the middle east will take place.







Post#2486 at 02-26-2016 12:14 AM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by Cynic Hero '86 View Post
Selfish boombers are in for a rude awakening come November, Americans will vote heavily for trump. In fact for Hillary the reckoning may come as early as Super Tuesday. The Iraq war, the pathetic response to 9/11 and recession discredited boomer leadership in general in the eyes of Xers and Millies. Trump will liberate our generations from the shackles of boomer elites. America will then take the gloves off, I dream of the day when thousands of islamists are being dragged in front of giant specially prepared ditches and terrorist after terrorist are given the 9mm cure, one after another like a conveyor belt. The General Pacification of the middle east will take place.
Uh, uh..... Trump is a Boomer. Cheney ran the Bush White House. He was a Silent.
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Post#2487 at 02-26-2016 12:48 AM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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"By refusing to be meaningful partners on immigration reform, the GOP was angering a growing and very potent portion of the electorate. House Republicans were all but guaranteeing that their party would not be competitive for the White House in 2016. They were building a big fence on immigration, but it was around the White House, and it had the effect of keeping themselves out..........Since then, it has only gotten worse. Donald Trump has leapt into the vacuum and dragged the partys candidates farther and farther over an electoral cliff with his barbaric attacks on Latinos, Muslims, and immigrants. Egged on by Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, and other opponents of legal immigration and proponents of mass deportation most of Trumps opponents have cowered or followed suit with equally bombastic and far-fetched proposals."

Says hispanic Illinois Representative Luis Gutierrez.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2...xfM/story.html
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Post#2488 at 02-26-2016 12:59 AM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Trump vs. Clinton: my estimate:
http://www.270towin.com/maps/5P0m1
I can't seem to find a correct way to display these maps from any site.
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Post#2489 at 02-26-2016 01:12 AM by XYMOX_4AD_84 [at joined Nov 2012 #posts 3,073]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
I was thinking more along these lines -

- Shock or Disbelief -- THAT BxTCH!
- Denial -- The polls were skewed! They counted wrong! Where's the Supreme Court when you need them??? AAAAGGGHHHHH!!!!!!
- Anger -- But, but BENGAHZI!!! EMAILS! IRS!!! OBAMACARE!!! MUFASA!!!
- Bargaining -- Okay, if I move to Greenland will they ship my guns for free?
- Guilt -- Crap, maybe we should have gone with Carson, and prayed harder.
- Depression -- There is no America
- Acceptance and Hope -- Mid-Terms! Gerrymandering! Voter Suppression! Real Americans will Prevail!
This is a highly likely outcome. Unless something unimaginable happens I will be voting for whichever Dem candidate is offered in November. For me, that is saying a lot. And I am definitely not alone. ABT - Anyone Besides Trump.







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Quote Originally Posted by Cynic Hero '86 View Post
Selfish boombers are in for a rude awakening come November, Americans will vote heavily for trump. In fact for Hillary the reckoning may come as early as Super Tuesday. The Iraq war, the pathetic response to 9/11 and recession discredited boomer leadership in general in the eyes of Xers and Millies. Trump will liberate our generations from the shackles of boomer elites. America will then take the gloves off, I dream of the day when thousands of islamists are being dragged in front of giant specially prepared ditches and terrorist after terrorist are given the 9mm cure, one after another like a conveyor belt. The General Pacification of the middle east will take place.
No we won't.

Let's be real. Even amongst the subset of "The Right" Trump's only pulling 30 - 40% in the Primaries.

Then when you look at The Left, who would actually pull a GOP lever with Trump on it in November? Maybe single digits.

Amongst so called Independents the vote will split amongst Trump, whoever the Dem is, and minor party candidates.

The numbers won't add up for Trump in November.

Even in '64 the GOP was not in this scenario. Trump will get smashed even worse than Goldwater did.







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Quote Originally Posted by XYMOX_4AD_84 View Post
This is a highly likely outcome. Unless something unimaginable happens I will be voting for whichever Dem candidate is offered in November. For me, that is saying a lot. And I am definitely not alone. ABT - Anyone Besides Trump.
A likely outcome that's expected. I don't see any lefties here voting for Trump. Trump is already at the middle. Hell, he started at the middle. Where is Hiliary now? Is Hilary even close to being out of the progressives and moving towards the middle yet? Can she compete for the middle considering how much the middle has been burned by Obama?







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The "Daisy Ad" for 2016 may be one in Spanish.







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Quote Originally Posted by XYMOX_4AD_84 View Post
No we won't.

Let's be real. Even amongst the subset of "The Right" Trump's only pulling 30 - 40% in the Primaries.

Then when you look at The Left, who would actually pull a GOP lever with Trump on it in November? Maybe single digits.

Amongst so called Independents the vote will split amongst Trump, whoever the Dem is, and minor party candidates.

The numbers won't add up for Trump in November.

Even in '64 the GOP was not in this scenario. Trump will get smashed even worse than Goldwater did.
Lets see, a Republican presidential candidate for president, a Supreme Court justice seat, a Republican senate and house, a Clinton or a socialist, are all on the ballet this election. What Republican their right mind is going to stay home or not vote for Trump this election? Let's be real.







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I'm a "lefty voting for TRUMP". Or, rather, a national socialist - in the pre-Great War sense, who takes his socialism seriously.

TRUMP isn't some radical free-marketeer, as you're going to learn when he's in office.
Things are gonna slide
Slide in all directions
Won't be nothin'
Nothin' you can measure anymore

The blizzard of the world has crossed the threshold
And it has overturned the order of the soul
When they said REPENT (repent), I wonder what they meant

I've seen the future, brother:
It is murder

- Leonard Cohen, "The Future" (1992)







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Quote Originally Posted by Classic-X'er View Post
If the Republicans loose, they loose and we continue down the same path we have been on for over eight years. We both know the bulk of the posters here don't have the ability to do much of anything on their own. I'm fine, you're fine and that's all that matters for now and the immediate future. Poor people aren't able to do what I do for a living that's why they're poor people. I'm sure you will find creative ways to keep poor people poor enough and scared enough to believe that they still need you and support from the government. Me, I'll just continue doing what I do and continue making money and paying minimal taxes. You'll never be able to count on me for a vote or support which leaves folks like on the line by yourselves. The rich have the ability to cash out and leave you hanging any time they want and we have the same ability of doing that as the rich. So, have fave keeping up with the freebies and the socialists call for more and more freebies . Conservatives don't care if the socialists take over New York and raise its tax rates. The Republicans will be living and moving their business's else where by at the point.
Republicans are never "loose." They are rigid and uptight champions of yesterday!
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Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
I'm a "lefty voting for TRUMP". Or, rather, a national socialist - in the pre-Great War sense, who takes his socialism seriously.

TRUMP isn't some radical free-marketeer, as you're going to learn when he's in office.
He is exactly that. He wants to lower taxes drastically. He wants to abolish government agencies like the EPA. He is a radical free-marketeer.

Demographics do not favor him. He alienates 8 out of 10 hispanics. That counts in a few swing states like Nevada. Colorado is unlikely too. Arizona may be in play. Forget New Mexico.

He lost the Iowa caucus; that does not bode well for him there either.
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
He is exactly that. He wants to lower taxes drastically. He wants to abolish government agencies like the EPA. He is a radical free-marketeer.
TRUMP rightfully advocates for a universal health care programme and supports the social safety net.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Don...l_Security.htm

Cannot change Medicare or Soc.Sec. and still win elections
[At CPAC, Trump said}: "As Republicans, if you think you are going to change very substantially for the worse Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security in any substantial way, and at the same time you think you are going to win elections, it just really is not going to happen," Mr. Trump said, adding that polls show that tea partyers are among those who don't want their entitlements changed. "What we have to do and the way we solve our problems it to build a great economy."Source: 2013 Conservative Political Action Conf. in Washington Times , Mar 15, 2013

Social Security isn't an "entitlement"; it's honoring a deal
Social Security faces a problem: 77 million baby boomers set to retire. Now I know there are some Republicans who would be just fine with allowing these programs to wither and die on the vine. The way they see it, Social Security and Medicare are wasteful "entitlement programs." But people who think this way need to rethink their position. It's not unreasonable for people who paid into a system for decades to expect to get their money's worth--that's not an "entitlement," that's honoring a deal. We as a society must also make an ironclad commitment to providing a safety net for those who can't make one for themselves.
Things are gonna slide
Slide in all directions
Won't be nothin'
Nothin' you can measure anymore

The blizzard of the world has crossed the threshold
And it has overturned the order of the soul
When they said REPENT (repent), I wonder what they meant

I've seen the future, brother:
It is murder

- Leonard Cohen, "The Future" (1992)







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Quote Originally Posted by Classic-X'er View Post
If the Republicans loose, they loose and we continue down the same path we have been on for over eight years.
...The verb for failing is lose, not loose, as a usually-poetic or obsolescent verb synonymous with "release", as in

"He has loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible, swift sword!" (Battle Hymn of the Republic)

Getting homonyms wrong is extremely uncouth. Spell-check will not catch it, but readers will think you under-educated.


Our 'Marxist' President has shown himself the most pathetic failure... at bringing about the ruin of the capitalist class:




No, it's not inflation.



The blue line begins at the economic peak of 2007, which corresponds with the end of the recovery from the dot.com/Enrob recession that took place in 2000. It may be a remarkable coincidence, but the green line largely shows the stewardship of George W. Bush (after a year of the downturn) and the blue line economic stewardship of Barack Obama after almost a year and a half into the worst economic meltdown since the one leading into the Great Depression (the bad times of the 1930s are shown with a gray line).

How can anyone look at the Obama recovery, one without a speculative boom, and not recognize competent stewardship of the American economy?


We both know the bulk of the posters here don't have the ability to do much of anything on their own. I'm fine, you're fine and that's all that matters for now and the immediate future.
Some of us have some remarkable talents. I think that you will recognize that Playwrite and I disagree on whether Clinton or Sanders is the better choice for President, and that I disagree with Eric on the usefulness and reliability of astrology. Surely you have seen the sparks fly between Kinser or Einzige with me.

I confess to not being much of an original thinker. About anything that anyone now says has been said by someone else. If I inadvertently say something that Aristotle, Confucius, or Hillel said a millennium or two ago or what Rousseau or Hegel said a century or two ago... that happens.

But you aren't very original, either.

Poor people aren't able to do what I do for a living that's why they're poor people.
The typical physician or attorney can't do what you do, either.

But that said, people are poor for many reasons, some their own fault (like being lazy, improvident, wasteful, disagreeable, dishonest, or disobedient) or because they start with serious disadvantages that they never have a chance to escape or transcend. Maybe they had horrible parents, they got stuck in bad school systems, or they made such bad choices as having an out-of-wedlock child or dropping out of school. Maybe they made some poor career choices. Maybe they are disabled.

There's a huge difference between living in Laos or Luxembourg or even between living in the 8th Congressional District of California (Silicon Valley) and the 21st Congressional District of California (one of the poorest in the US, containing much of the southern part of the San Joaquin Valley of California).

I'm sure you will find creative ways to keep poor people poor enough and scared enough to believe that they still need you and support from the government.
No, the politicians that you support will make poverty easier to slip into and more punishing to those who endure it as a supposed incentive for working even harder under harsher conditions for much less so that the people who back those political hacks can grab more income for themselves and call that great for America. Sure, money will trickle down -- for hiring more domestic servants.

Me, I'll just continue doing what I do and continue making money and paying minimal taxes. You'll never be able to count on me for a vote or support which leaves folks like on the line by yourselves. The rich have the ability to cash out and leave you hanging any time they want and we have the same ability of doing that as the rich.
You have stolen the plot line of Atlas Shrugged (Ayn Rand). as your idea of how the world really works. The rich cannot cash out unless someone can buy out. Besides, what would happen if all the super-rich families were to disappear because of some disease that selectively kills them off? The acquisitive urge is much more commonplace than you think. Niches would emerge for people who do on a small scale what vertically-integrated businesses used to do (except for buying lobbyists, paying off politicians, and big advertising campaigns, all of which have an economy of scale that punishes small business). Contrary to the myth that Ayn Rand propounds, the ability to run a business is far more common than the ability to create art, music, or literature of high quality. What small business does not do is to foster the growth of a narcissistic, rapacious, exploitative class of bureaucrats. Where I live are many Old Order Amish; many of them operate small businesses. Their businesses have little need for armies of white-collar workers because small businesses need no bureaucracy.

So, have fave keeping up with the freebies and the socialists call for more and more freebies .
The government spends, and the money that it spends goes into the general economy for further recycling as other activity. The freebies are highways that don't have exorbitant tolls upon them (for that, be glad that you live in Minnesota, which has no toll roads), K-12 (and soon by necessity K-14) education, public health that prevents epidemics, support for educational television such as Sesame Street, law enforcement, and national defense.

Conservatives don't care if the socialists take over New York and raise its tax rates. The Republicans will be living and moving their business's else where by at the point.
The giant American cities with the lowest crime rates are San Jose, California and New York City. Both are high-tax places.

I prefer a low crime rate, a result of a vibrant economy and well-run schools... wouldn't you?
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters







Post#2499 at 02-26-2016 02:10 AM by Classic-X'er [at joined Sep 2012 #posts 1,789]
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Quote Originally Posted by XYMOX_4AD_84 View Post
This is a highly likely outcome. Unless something unimaginable happens I will be voting for whichever Dem candidate is offered in November. For me, that is saying a lot. And I am definitely not alone. ABT - Anyone Besides Trump.
A gal at the bar said the same thing, anyone but Trump. She hates (refuses to vote) Clinton, she's not into Sanders (her words) and she can't stand Trump. She was an Obama supporter who completely lost faith in him. BTW, there are a lot of these folks out there.







Post#2500 at 02-26-2016 02:12 AM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Trump at the debate could not define his health care plan, except to say it would be private and would not be obamacare. He DID say that he would lower taxes beyond Bush and Reagan levels. Just saying he won't abolish or cut social security and medicare isn't saying much. Saying the solution is to build a great economy is typical trickle-down, free marketeer talk.
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