Regarding Eric's post, it should be noted that most people in the world were not part of the Boomer blue Awakening. But there is an assumption that people from very different cultures will act as if they were. (Which may be based in part in glossing over cultural differences, or simply being oblivious to them).
Last edited by TimWalker; 05-09-2013 at 12:40 PM.
As has been mentioned, we will see Western notions of human rights be repudiated.
Outside of the West, India and Japan have been the only large scale societies to practice democracy for any length of time. It has been commented that authoritarian regimes, such as Russia and China, will oppose Western attempts to push democracy on other countries. In fact, we could see a reverse of the WWII era, where democratic countries had to oppose the Axis powers. Since regime survival and national sovereignty would be the goals of these authoritarian regimes-and backed by the might of Russia and China-they would surely prevail.
Cueing "westerners who prize cosmopolitanism."
Seriously, your idea of cosmopolitanism is a bunch of people of different skin tones singing Kumbaya off of one sheet of music: Yours.
The change that is going to slap you in the face is the point when we'll no longer be in a position to decide which faction of some other country's civil war should win, and when the parts of the Democratic Party constituency that are actually growing will no longer need to cozy up to aging hippies and champagne socialists in order to implement their own agendas. Consider the prop 8 vote a shot across the bow.
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Indeed...opposition to Western imperialism is probably about the only thing in common between ex-hippies and nonWestern governments.
Well, for both of them, opposition to Imperialism only goes so far. It's great when YOUR values get to be imposed on other people, or YOUR enemies get crushed.
Also, given the extent to which both India and Japan have been largely one party states (for India on a national level at least) since the end of WWII, I wouldn't exagerate the democracy angle. It is certainly there, but it is different.
In terms of foreign policy, it's time to give the democracy thing a rest.
Last edited by TimWalker; 05-09-2013 at 01:39 PM.
Well, I have a strong sentimental attachment to freedom and some form of democracy here at home, and would actually like more of it, but we certainly need to give the whole Team America: World Police thing a rest. It's counterproductive.
Coming from a nonWestern source, we may have seen an early hint in the proposal to switch from GMT to Mecca time. Perhaps in the coming years we will be exhorted to convert to Islam, or the Hindu religion, or embrace the Chinese concept of harmony.Originally Posted by JordanGoodspeed
All sorts of things are possible, though I think that while the Political Architecture will change this turning, the real shifts in global culture and values away from the West will have to wait until the 2040s.
Personally, I am betting on the final disappearance of the tie and the spread of mao suit/nehru jacket types of formal wear. Finally, people in the future will dress the way they were always supposed to.
Other than giving oneself a sense of moral superiority, I can see nothing constructive coming from it.
Interesting comment about the clothing thing. I suppose the results would depend on the country. Japan largely, but not entirely, switched over to Western like styles-so are these now traditional?
Last edited by TimWalker; 05-09-2013 at 01:54 PM.
Nehru suits? Hey now, you know what Saville Row tailors have to say about Nehru collars!All sorts of things are possible, though I think that while the Political Architecture will change this turning, the real shifts in global culture and values away from the West will have to wait until the 2040s.
Personally, I am betting on the final disappearance of the tie and the spread of mao suit/nehru jacket types of formal wear. Finally, people in the future will dress the way they were always supposed to.
http://www.englishcut.com/archives/000101.html
Last edited by Tussilago; 05-09-2013 at 02:39 PM.
INTP 1970 Core X
Yes, but the whole point is that in a "post-Western world" nobody who matters will care what stuffy old white people think.
The old establishment didn't like rock and roll, either.
I don't care what stuffy old white people think.
I'm looking forward to being a stuffy old white person.
BTW, did people in nonWestern countries sing Kumbaya during the Boom Awakening?I'm trying to imagine Arabs and Indians and Chinese people-dressed in traditional garb-belting out this song.
Me too. Detachable shirt collars and three piece bespoke suits are growing on me. Next time I go to England I'm seriously considering getting a Bowler hat. Now, how's that for "Hooligan" culture?
INTP 1970 Core X
I look in the mirror and say "Well, I care what this one thinks."
How to spot a shill, by John Michael Greer: "What you watch for is (a) a brand new commenter who (b) has nothing to say about the topic under discussion but (c) trots out a smoothly written opinion piece that (d) hits all the standard talking points currently being used by a specific political or corporate interest, while (e) avoiding any other points anyone else has made on that subject."
"If the shoe fits..." The Grey Badger.
How do you feel about men in the future dressing like Dr. No, then?
Tussilago,
Who knows, if Western culture gets knocked off of its little perch after this 4T, there might be a bit of nostalgia for the Belle Epoque. Steampunk aesthetics could go mainstream.
I think it could be cool. Kinda cyberpunk.
Indeed. Above all, I wish for "La Belle Epoque" when it comes to architecture.Tussilago,
Who knows, if Western culture gets knocked off of its little perch after this 4T, there might be a bit of nostalgia for the Belle Epoque. Steampunk aesthetics could go mainstream.
INTP 1970 Core X
We agree on that one.
As I see it, the architecture of the "change of age" period of the late 1880s-1890s-1900s, coming at the start of our new cycle of civilization, is still the wave of the future!
God, I hope so. Modernist architecture has got to be one of the great crimes of the 20th century.
Here is an article illustrating some of the processes that I think will lead to the climax of the crisis in the 2020s.
It's all about pleasing the architects, and no one else.
