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Post#26 at 05-18-2013 04:22 AM by Danilynn [at joined Dec 2012 #posts 855]
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Quote Originally Posted by Classic-X'er View Post
Without the support of the press, you're right, Obama walks away free. However at that point, the damage will be done and the result will be an even greater divide in America because government credability and whatever faith that's left in it is going to be lost. I don't expect Obama to be smart enough to think big picture or contemplate the future impacts this could have on him and the progress of his party and the people who are associated with his party or rely on the party. Obama's skin tone doesn't grant him a pass with people like me. Sorry dude, you're guy has some serious character flaws that I don't like regardless of the persons skin tone.

I feel the same, but let's face facts, he doesn't have to play by the rules, the sheep will follow him anywhere regardless of what he does. So even if video of him turns up telling the IRS to do this, it will still not make an impact and he will not be punished.

Meanwhile, 20-ish years ago they impeached or tried to Bill Clinton for a blow-job. Having seen photos of Hillary I can't blame Bill for outsourcing the job. But anyways, carry on with the Obama is God and defend him to the death thread...







Post#27 at 05-19-2013 10:40 PM by The Grey Badger [at Albuquerque, NM joined Sep 2001 #posts 8,876]
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Quote Originally Posted by Weave View Post
They were specifically targeted, Liberal groups did not get the same type of scrutiny. Conservatives complained about this 3 years ago and were being told they were just being paranoid...This is Nixonian and has done great damage to the Obama Regime...
I agree. It is as if he is channeling Richard Nixon. Welladay, I guess it's our turn this time

But I was disgusted to see how both factions on this board are reacting. The posters on the right are gloating and the posters on the left are making excuses or denying the problem. I'm sorry. This IRS business was way out of line and is no matter who does it.
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Post#28 at 05-19-2013 10:44 PM by Galen [at joined Aug 2010 #posts 1,019]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Grey Badger View Post
I agree. It is as if he is channeling Richard Nixon. Welladay, I guess it's our turn this time.
I thought the odds of him being a black Jimmy Carter were high when he got elected, it looks like Obama found an even worse role model.
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Post#29 at 05-20-2013 09:46 AM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,451]
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Quote Originally Posted by Classic-X'er View Post
Without the support of the press, you're right, Obama walks away free. However at that point, the damage will be done and the result will be an even greater divide in America because government credability and whatever faith that's left in it is going to be lost. I don't expect Obama to be smart enough to think big picture or contemplate the future impacts this could have on him and the progress of his party and the people who are associated with his party or rely on the party. Obama's skin tone doesn't grant him a pass with people like me. Sorry dude, you're guy has some serious character flaws that I don't like regardless of the persons skin tone.
There it is folks, the grand pivot by the GOP IRS Scammers!

They can't pin any malfeasance on Obama (AND behind the scenes, big donors like the Koch brothers are telling them to back off; more on this later) so what are they going to do with their scam???

Well, they pivot to the old standby of "the big evil govt is coming to take your baby (as well as your guns, taxes, freedom fries, blah, blah, blah)!"

Other than their scam being shown to be hollow (and told by the Koch boys to treat careful), why would they do that?

Because the next election is a mid-term election, silly. Mid-terms are all about voter turnout. It's been shown time and time again, that low turnout favors the GOP because, well, Right wing nuts really don't have much of a life other than to spend all their time spewing over the big evil govt. What they need to do is discourage those who actually benefit from federal govt (which includes most of the Right wing keep-socialists-hands-off-my-Medicare nuts but one of their common characteristics is that they are dumber than dirt). What better way than to blow up some low-level mistakes by a couple of IRS guys (representing less than 0.001% of the federal workforce) into some highly emotionally charged "the evil govt is coming to take your baby!" horseshit???

The real question is - are you going to fall for this horseshit again? If so, I guess you’re happy with the 2010 election result and the t-baggers on the Hill who keep the moron song going. In 2014, let's NOT vote so we get the baggers in control of the Senate as well as the House then we can not only bring the Nation to its economic knees with the next debt ceiling but we can force vaginal probes on women every month to make sure they're not messin with any pregnancy!

Whoo-hoo, you go you little t-baggers, you go! You show that big evil govt what’s up!!!
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
There it is folks, the grand pivot by the GOP IRS Scammers!
-At first, teh Obamanations story was this wasn't happening.

Then, they said it was just careful scrutiny.

Then, they said it was just a pair of rogues in Cincinnati...

Quote Originally Posted by The Grey Badger View Post
...But I was disgusted to see how both factions on this board are reacting. The posters on the right are gloating and the posters on the left are making excuses or denying the problem...
-Sometimes, the only way to drive home a lesson is to say "I told you so."







Post#31 at 05-20-2013 12:55 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,451]
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Sign the petition -

- or shut up with the sanctimonious horseshit.

As I noted earlier, there is a petition to have the IRS follow the actual law (and the dictionary) by interpreting this legislative language -

Civil leagues or organizations not organized for profit but operated exclusively for the promotion of social welfare or local associations of employees, the membership of which is limited to the employees of a designated person or persons in a particular municipality, and the net earnings of which are devoted exclusively to charitable, educational, or recreational purposes.
rather than the mealy-mouth horseshit that's been in the Tax Code since Eisenhower -

[a]n organization is operated exclusively for the promotion of social welfare if it is primarily engaged in promoting in some way the common good and general welfare of the people of the community. An organization embraced within this section is one which is operated primarily for the purpose of bringing about civic betterments and social improvements.
The latter is what allows political lobbying organizations, like the t-baggers, to get tax exemption status (meaning the rest of us have to pay higher taxes!) even though 49.9% of their budget is pouring into political ads.

Or did you think the 1000s of groups that petitioned the IRS for the exemption after the Citizen United SCOTUS decision did so because overnight they decided to help get hot meals to shut-ins and orphans? Silly you!

Oh, it so much more easy to rail against the under 200 IRS employees inundated (while being furloughed under the Sequester) by these thousands of petitions for the exemption and perhaps wondering if a firm named Tea PARTYY might have some political overreach in the 2012 election. Silly to think that might just be a distraction from the real issue of why we taxpayers are paying for all these groups to get a tax break from not only their attempts to buy the government but to do so anonymously. Silly me!

Here's the petition -

http://crew.3cdn.net/9e6dd1e2b163dbb240_i1m6b5q6u.pdf

and here's more -

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/0...01-c-4-status#

- that will get you started down the rabbit hole of how Karl Rove, Krotch brothers, etc are secretly telling their 'outraged' GOP minions to cool it and not let this get too far out of hand. Because, my gosh, the sheeple might come to find out that with a simple word change in the tax code, the people might be able to un-buy their govt from secret rich donors getting huge tax breaks.

Nay, let's just keep being as stupid as Glick and as sanctimonious as... well, just check out the latest poster posting about the typical big evil govt in corporate hands yadda yadda. I’m sure its on this forum somewhere today – just like every other day.
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Post#32 at 05-20-2013 01:15 PM by JDG 66 [at joined Aug 2010 #posts 2,116]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
..As I noted earlier, there is a petition to have the IRS follow the actual law (and the dictionary) by interpreting this legislative language...
-PW, missing the point that Conservative/Libertarian grous were disproportionatley and relentlessly targeted by the Obamanation's IRS:
http://www.abc17news.com/news/electi...z/-/index.html
E
ven The liberal MSM admits that. The rest of PW's stuff is his attempt at a distraction.







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Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
-PW, missing the point that Conservative/Libertarian grous were disproportionatley and relentlessly targeted by the Obamanation's IRS:
http://www.abc17news.com/news/electi...z/-/index.html
E
ven The liberal MSM admits that. The rest of PW's stuff is his attempt at a distraction.
Actually, no one knows that for sure.

What we do know is that around 500-600 organizations were caught in the net, and of that amount, 1/3 were t-baggers.

The question posed to the investigators was only about the t-baggers. We'll have to wait and see what the rest of the numbers tell us. We will also have to see what the definition of “disproportionate” means – the number investigated or the number denied -so far, only a liberal organization seems to have been denied the exemption out of the 500 or so investigated.

Further investigation is also likely to shed additional light on why these groups were snagged - such as some historic record of being extremely political in how they spent their money.

However, I'm betting we never get to those more revealing question because this is going to confined to just trying to appease ideological morons like yourself that don't really give a flying F about this country but just want to get even with the "Obamination."

What we should be focused on is why these groups are being exempt from paying their fair share of taxes as they attempt to buy elections with anonymous rich people's money. Again, I realize that is not of concern to ideological rabid dogs like yourself.

For everyone else, supprot the pettion!

http://crew.3cdn.net/9e6dd1e2b163dbb240_i1m6b5q6u.pdf

TAKE THE IRS OUT OF POLITICS FOR REAL!
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Actually, no one knows that for sure...
-PW seems to be the only one who thinks so.

Something new:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/...about-irs.html

Obama Lawyers Knew About IRS







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Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
-PW seems to be the only one who thinks so.

Something new:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/...about-irs.html

Obama Lawyers Knew About IRS
Again, what's not known, dummy, is who are the other 2/3 of those netted by the process - the ones that are NOT t-baggers.

Again, for those who are not moronic ideologues (AND HYPOCRITE) like Glick, support the petition -

http://crew.3cdn.net/9e6dd1e2b163dbb240_i1m6b5q6u.pdf

- stop tax write-offs for buying our govt and get the IRS out of politics!
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Post#36 at 05-20-2013 03:39 PM by JDG 66 [at joined Aug 2010 #posts 2,116]
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Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
-And they didn't tell their boss? Unlikley. That would mean that when Obama claimed that he knew nothing about it until the Friday the story broke would be a lie...

Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
...who are the other 2/3 of those netted by the process - the ones that are NOT t-baggers...
1) The political movement is called "Tea Partiers", not "Tea Baggers". Tea bagging appears to be an activty which progressives practice among themselves, which is probably why they keep getting confused...

2) Even the liberal MSM has long admitted that the targets were disproportionally conservative or libertarian, like this Jewish group:

Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
http://shoebat.com/2013/05/15/contra...uslim-brother/

...the Jewish group known as Z Street had its tax exempt status application held up because it was “connected to Israel”... not only is the group’s 2009 filing still not approved but that the reason given for the delay had to do with terrorism taking place in Israel. Of course, that explanation left out one important point. While there might be terrorism taking place in Israel, it’s coming from Muslim groups like Hamas.


...and they were all hit particualry harshly:

Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...-hold/2159983/

...In the 27 months that the Internal Revenue Service put a hold on all Tea Party applications for non-profit status, it approved applications from similar liberal groups, a USA TODAY review of IRS data shows...


..delay! delay! delay!

...while, the "progressives" were not:


Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/14/ir...thers-charity/

Lois Lerner, the senior IRS official at the center of the decision to target tea party groups for burdensome tax scrutiny, signed paperwork granting tax-exempt status to the Barack H. Obama Foundation, a shady charity headed by the president’s half-brother that operated illegally for years...

...The National Legal and Policy Center filed an official complaint with the IRS in May 2011 asking why the foundation was being allowed to solicit tax-deductible contributions when it had not even applied for an IRS determination... Nevertheless, a month later, the Barack H. Obama Foundation had flown through the grueling application process. Lerner granted the organization a 501(c) determination and even gave it a retroactive tax exemption dating back to December 2008...
...PW does not deny any of this. He just glosses it over.

Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
... stop tax write-offs for buying our govt and get the IRS out of politics!
-The money is already there. It looks to me as if:

1) PW is just upset that conservatives and libertarians are just evening up the score;

2) PW is trying to distract us from the fact that the Obama's people are using the IRS to attack their political opponents.

Ah! A long progressive tradition:

http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/05/20...ish-activists/







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Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
-And they didn't tell their boss? Unlikley. That would mean that when Obama claimed that he knew nothing about it until the Friday the story broke would be a lie...


1) The political movement is called "Tea Partiers", not "Tea Baggers". Tea bagging appears to be an activty which progressives practice among themselves, which is probably why they keep getting confused...

2) Even the liberal MSM has long admitted that the targets were disproportionally conservative or libertarian, like this Jewish group:


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...and they were all hit particualry harshly:



..delay! delay! delay!

...while, the "progressives" were not:[/COLOR]



...PW does not deny any of this. He just glosses it over.



-The money is already there. It looks to me as if:

1) PW is just upset that conservatives and libertarians are just evening up the score;

2) PW is trying to distract us from the fact that the Obama's people are using the IRS to attack their political opponents.

Ah! A long progressive tradition:

http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/05/20...ish-activists/
2/3 rds of the groups has not been revealed by the IRS investigation to ANYONE yet.

Do you really have this bad of a time with numbers?

I didn't pick the baggers' name for themsevles. They did.

I think it has something to do with your inability to count pass a pair.
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
2/3 rds of the groups has not been revealed by the IRS investigation to ANYONE yet...
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_16...2012-campaign/
Evidence emerges that Obama administration official knew of IRS targeting during 2012 campaign

..I'm sure PW won't see a connection...







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Keep up the good work!

Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_16...2012-campaign/
Evidence emerges that Obama administration official knew of IRS targeting during 2012 campaign

..I'm sure PW won't see a connection...
If you're that concerned about all this, then support the petition to get the IRS out of politics. It's been going on since 1959 -

http://crew.3cdn.net/9e6dd1e2b163dbb240_i1m6b5q6u.pdf

Otherwise you're just another ideological hypocrite, but what else is new.

But keep up the good work -

So after the president's supposed worst week ever, with Republicans jumping in glee at the scandals, we find that the president's popularity has inched up, the Democratic Party's popularity is significantly up, and Republicans, at 59 percent unfavorable, are at their highest unpopularity level since CNN started polling the question in 1992.
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Well, Ms. Ingram should be following the Acting IRS Chief on his way out. Just like the President said, cannot have the appearance of partisanship in the IRS dealings with the public.

Granted Bush also had his elk interfering with the IRS, but if talking points were given from information provided on these questionnaires to the Democrats before the election. Hell should rain down on the IRS and on those groups!!!

On that note, Free Adam Kokesh and the AP from the tyranny of the DOJ!!!







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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
2/3 rds of the groups has not been revealed by the IRS investigation to ANYONE yet.

Do you really have this bad of a time with numbers?

I didn't pick the baggers' name for themsevles. They did.

I think it has something to do with your inability to count pass a pair.
Obviously there were many TEA Party groups forming in 2009 and 2010 with no obvious consolidation. In any event there must be some obvious predominance of activities in 'social welfare'. Advocacy of tax cuts and organization of mass rallies is not 'social welfare'. Contrast an organization such as Greenpeace or the NAACP -- or for that matter the national Right to Work Committee or some national Right to Lofe Group that has some formal charter and centralization of finances.
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Quote Originally Posted by wtrg8 View Post
On that note, Free Adam Kokesh and the AP from the tyranny of the DOJ!!!
Heh, did Adam go and get himself arrested again?

*Edit*

Ah, it would appear that he did.
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...be_118484.html

Senior White House Staff Knew of IRS Probe

...White House Counsel Kathryn Ruemmler was first informed about an audit of the IRS' inappropriate targeting of conservative groups on April 24 and that she notified senior staff, including Denis McDonough, the chief of staff to President Barack Obama. White House press secretary Jay Carney says Ruemmler "appropriately" decided not to tell Obama at the time because the audit was ongoing...

[Really? They didn't tell the POTUS?]

...The audit by a Treasury Department inspector general found that IRS employees singled out groups with names like "tea party" and "patriots" for special scrutiny that delayed their applications for tax exempt status...

..but we already know that. Except for Playwrite...

[QUOTE=pbrower2a;470269]Obviously there were many TEA Party groups forming in 2009 and 2010 with no obvious consolidation.

Quote Originally Posted by pbrower2a View Post
...In any event there must be some obvious predominance of activities in 'social welfare'. Advocacy of tax cuts and organization of mass rallies is not 'social welfare'...
-These groups were involved in things like teaching American history and the Bill of Right, which is. You may not appreciate how they go about it. Too bad.

Quote Originally Posted by pbrower2a View Post
...Contrast an organization such as Greenpeace or the NAACP...
-Greenpeace is primarily a protest organization. The NAACP got in trouble when Julian Bond started picking winners and losers in the 2004 election. But I already covered that.

Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
If you're that concerned about all this, then support the petition to get the IRS out of politics. It's been going on since 1959...
-Looks like PW has picked up some talking points to distract people from what the Obamanation was doing. Looks like he wants to take attention away from who the victims were and ignore who the perpetrators were. Surprise, surprise.

Let's say that a local police department, at the behest of someone in the mayor's office, had a policy of stopping certain motorists in town and harrassing them. Using PW's logic, the correct course of action would be to shut down all private traffic on the city streets and leave transit to the buses and trolleys.

The correct solution would be to find and punish the cops who were abusing their power, and anyone in the mayor's office who put them up to it or protected them. Humping a favored transit policy could wait a while. So, the correct solution in the IRS abuse scandal is to find and punish anyone who abused their power, whether they are some loser in the Cincinnati office or someone in the White House. Humping a favored tax policy can wait a while...







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Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
[Let's say that a local police department, at the behest of someone in the mayor's office, had a policy of stopping certain motorists in town and harrassing them. Using PW's logic, the correct course of action would be to shut down all private traffic on the city streets and leave transit to the buses and trolleys. ...
That is an incorrect analogy.

The correct analogy is that of really rich people being allowed to drive 100 mph through a town’s school zones if they can show that no more than 49.9% of the time they are doing it so they can take the mayor to lunch and buy him off for some tax-free land development giveaways.

The police are charged with deciding which cars going 100mph are taking the mayor to lunch too often. They notice that they've been inundated with 100mph driving requests from groups called “t-baggin hot rods“ and decide to pull those guys over more often.

The people driving 100 mph through school zones don't like for the common folk to realize their kids are in mortal danger so they start to make a lot of noise on Faux News, which just so happens to be the sole source of information and world view for a large group of town morons know as the Glicks.

The non-moron town people decide instead to get the police out of the business of policing who can go 100 mph by eliminating the right to go 100 mph for EVERYBODY. These smart, caring people (which leaves out the moronic Glicks) support the petition -

http://crew.3cdn.net/9e6dd1e2b163dbb240_i1m6b5q6u.pdf
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
That is an incorrect analogy...
-No, it's apt. The IRS was abusing its power, probably at the behest of the Obamanation, and all of a sudden PW wants to throw attention on the victims rather than the perpetrators. I'm sure that some will fall for it.







Post#46 at 05-21-2013 12:19 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,451]
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Why now the desperate GOP pivot

to finding a link to Obama (as attempted by our resident Glick - hey, the town tries to move them along) -

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...rss_ezra-klein


Here’s why the ‘scandals’ aren’t affecting Obama’s poll numbers

...if you’ve been watching the polls, well, you wouldn’t know anything has been going wrong at all. You might even think President Obama was having a good week.

Obama was at 49 percent in last week’s Gallup poll. He’s at 49 percent in this week’s Gallup poll. CNN gave Obama even better news. A poll conducted on Friday and Saturday — so, peak scandal days — found the president’s approval rating at 53 percent. That’s a slight increase from their last poll, which was conducted in April and found Obama’s approval at 51 percent.

A possible explanation could be that the public simply doesn’t care about these issues. But that’s not what CNN found. Eighty-five percent said that the IRS.’s actions were either “very important” or “somewhat important.” Eighty-four percent said the same about Benghazi. Eighty-seven percent said the same about the AP/DoJ issue. And yet Obama’s numbers are unchanged.

The public is simply separating the scandals from Obama. They’re upset about the IRS, Benghazi, and DoJ stories. But most think the president has been truthful. Most think the IRS acted on its own. And the dissenters disapproved of Obama before the scandals, too.

The public’s reaction to the scandals is, in other words, being mediated by their reaction to Obama. If they approve of Obama, they’re inclined to believe that neither he nor anyone in his circle ordered the IRS to attack tea party groups and that the administration did its best in the immediate aftermath of Benghazi. If they disapprove of Obama, they’re inclined to believe he or someone in his circle was controlling the IRS, and that the Benghazi talking points were part of a cover-up.

“People respond along party lines,” writes Alan Abramowitz, an Emory political scientist who predicted last week that the polls would remain unchanged, “just like members of Congress. Republicans believe the worst of Obama, but they already believed the worst of Obama. Democrats (correctly) see Republicans pushing these things because they are out to get Obama and stop his agenda and/or they think Obama is responding correctly to the problems that do exist. So it’s like almost every other issue or controversy.”

This could change if clear evidence emerges tying Obama to the IRS, or showing that something more sinister happened in the aftermath of Benghazi. But absent such revelations, these scandals are likely to simply harden the Democratic perception that Republicans are out to get Obama, and the Republican perception that Obama is a corrupt president.

Think about this in your own life: Have you seen anyone in the media, or do you actually know anyone personally, whose opinion of Obama has flipped in the past week?

In a country this polarized by party, the news needs to be quite extraordinary, and the blame quite clear, if it’s going to actually change people’s core political beliefs. Otherwise, most people just take it as proof that they were right all along.
In the meantime, the demographic clock keeps ticking. More Millenniums coming of age to vote. More old angry White male retirees fading into the sunset. More Latinos, more Asians along with more urbanization with the accompanying tolerance and willingness to embrace the future. More suburban soccer moms looking for just a background check on Internet gun purchases. And then there is this -

http://www.fourthturning.com/forum/s...309#post470309
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Post#47 at 05-21-2013 12:23 PM by JDG 66 [at joined Aug 2010 #posts 2,116]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...rss_ezra-klein

In the meantime, the demographic clock keeps ticking. More Millenniums coming of age to vote. More old angry White male retirees fading into the sunset. More Latinos, more Asians along with more urbanization with the accompanying tolerance and willingness to embrace the future. More suburban soccer moms looking for just a background check on Internet gun purchases. And then there is this [hold for a moment]
-So, PW's argument is that the Obamanation is able to pull the wool over the eyes of the ignorant, and PW considers that to be a good thing...







Post#48 at 05-21-2013 12:33 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,451]
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Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
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-So, PW's argument is that the Obamanation is able to pull the wool over the eyes of the ignorant, and PW considers that to be a good thing...
You see the pivot to try to tie it directly to Obama.

No attempt to even acknowledge the underlying question as to why these organizations are getting tax exemptions to buy the government. No attempt to acknowledge that the IRS was inundated with 1000s of exemption requests following Citizen United. No attempt to ask why the IRS is even put in role, by law, for making these judgments.

Just hoping to link something to Obama directly. Hoping if they just say it over and over and over and over and......, it will stick.

It's pathetic desperation. It, however, has worked before.

It's not really a question of Glick being as dumb as dirt; that's a given.

It's a question of you being as dumb as dirt to succumb to his stupidity.

You have a smart choice - support the petition -

http://crew.3cdn.net/9e6dd1e2b163dbb240_i1m6b5q6u.pdf
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
You see the pivot to try to tie it directly to Obama...
-No "pivot" needed. The level of coordination precludes just a few "renegades" in Cincinnati, so it's a question of how high it goes: Obama, or someone lower? The IRS certainly didn't think that anyone at the White House would have a problem with what they were doing (unless they got caught, which eventually happened). Was it instigated at the White House level (perhaps a "Who shall rid me of these troublesome tea partiers?" ), or merely tolerated, since they were obviously doing good, progressive work.







Post#50 at 05-21-2013 12:54 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,451]
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Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
-No "pivot" needed. The level of coordination precludes just a few "renegades" in Cincinnati, so it's a question of how high it goes: Obama, or someone lower? The IRS certainly didn't think that anyone at the White House would have a problem with what they were doing (unless they got caught, which eventually happened). Was it instigated at the White House level (perhaps a "Who shall rid me of these troublesome tea partiers?" ), or merely tolerated, since they were obviously doing good, progressive work.
No, it was the fear that the baggers got a hold of magic ponies that poop gold nuggets. Obama got a call from the New World Order telling him he must end the bagger magic pony gold poop threat or they would unleash the alien dogs from the hell planet Xenon to remove the precious body fluids and make every other American male in Tennesse gay starting with guys living in trailer parks in Clarkesville! Unfortunately, Obama was out that day and didn't get the message.
Are you okay?
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