-Actually, the attitudes of the so-called "Right" are what made America the best country on the planet. "Progressives" have spent the past 100 years trying to turn us into France or Germany.Originally Posted by playwrite
Oh. And uncovering the truth about the IRS constitutes "destroying the country!"
It is because so many new TEA Party groups emerged claiming a right to tax-exempt status despite their political activities.
It is far easier to examine a highly-centralized organization as the NAACP, Greenpeace, or the National Rifle Association than it is to examine hundreds of community-based TEA Party groups who claim status as "social welfare" organizations when they are in fact better described as rabble-rousers.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
Where's the actual numbers, clown???
All we know is that 230 of the 300 'targeted' where NOT t-baggers. We also know that the 3 groups denied the exemption were ALL progressive groups.
Everything else is anecdotal, cherry picked, or biased guesses.
Prove me wrong.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service
“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke
"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman
If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
-Sorry, that fails to explain why Tea Party groups were harassed so badly while others got a walk:
...particularly something like this:
-See above. If everyone would read more carefully, I wouldn't have to spend that extra 20 seconds retrieving references to stuff I've already posted.
Last edited by JDG 66; 05-22-2013 at 01:42 PM.
SheepleshiRt-Actually, the attitudes of the so-called "Right" are what made America the best country on the planet. "Progressives" have spent the past 100 years trying to turn us into France or Germany.
No, that would be instead your constant lying and misdirection from the problems this country needs to focus on if it wants to continue to be great for the vast majority of people rather than just the financial elites who manipulate sheeple like you with such success.-Oh. And uncovering the truth about the IRS constitutes "destroying the country!"
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service
“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke
"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman
If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
Well, maybe that is the problem, you're either too stupid or too blind to see that there is nothing close to an accounting in what you have provided and that includes the links.
Again, the two facts known -
1. 230 of the 300 targeted were not baggers
2. all three groups actually denied were Progressive groups.
Anyone saying there is more to it than that at this time IS LYING (or blind or stupid, likely a combination in Glick's case.)
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service
“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke
"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman
If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
-Does not explinj this dichotomy:...particularly something like this:
..and if there were anything to PW's excuses, the Mainstream Media liberals would have been all over it. Oh well.
Just like with every other thread, you're caught in some stupidity (including outright lying of late). And when challenged, you just start repeating the idiocy over and over again as if that is going to somehow change it.
Let's just add your lack of being able to provide any numbers showing baggers were unfairly treated on a RELATIVE basis to all the others to the Big List. That would include: lack of video showing revolver keeping up with an AR; lack of identifying incidents of mass killings by revolver; lack of describing last incident of revolver-used mass killing; lack of Avengers unit that Obama could have called-in to save Benghazi; lack of WMDs in Iraq; lack of yellow cake from Africa in Saddam's hand,etc. etc.
But let's not forget my favorite - lack of a pot of gold or cash found in SS Trust Funds that is going to run out some day.
Oh well, another Glick post, another lie.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service
“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke
"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman
If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
-So, Obama's IRS is forced to admit that it discriminated against conservative groups:
...and when I point that out, that make ME a liar. Oh, good stuff.
1. Responsible government and geographic-based representation are innovations in America.-Actually, the attitudes of the so-called "Right" are what made America the best country on the planet. "Progressives" have spent the past 100 years trying to turn us into France or Germany.
2. The American Revolution is the first anti-colonial revolution.
3. We certainly denied the dubious principle of Kings ruling by "divine right", didn't we?
4. If checks and balances aren't Constitutional innovations unique first to America, they are rediscoveries.
5. The US was one of the first countries to outlaw itself as a market for the overseas slave trade.
6. Separation of Church and State? Good for both.
7. Land-grant colleges.
8. Free public education.
All of that was once revolutionary.
Oh, by the way -- abolition of slavery was a very liberal idea. America abolished it in 1865 in America -- and in France and Germany in 1945, too. Nazi Germany was a slave society. France adopted votes for women under pressure from the US Armed Forces. (The idea was that women were less likely to fall for extremist ideologies, Left or Right -- which also explains Italy and Japan). We forced liberal institutions in Germany, Italy, and Japan that would preempt fascism.
Oh, by the way -- the German educational system is very good. It comes with high taxes, but people with the grades can go as far in school as can help their career chances without going deep into debt. We could use that instead of relying upon the School of Hard Knocks.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
-And most of that done by the Founding Fathers whom progressives despise.
If you want to find modern progressives in America in 1781, they were Tories. After losing, they went to Canada. They're still there.
-You mean, "libertarian" idea...
-Actually, it divides people into classes at a fairly young age, and, in the trades at least, it produces people not able to adapt to a changing economy. The school of hard knocks has a lot to offer.
Conservative groups were targeted for checking by IRS to see if they met the standard or not.-So, Obama's IRS is forced to admit that it discriminated against conservative groups:
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...and when I point that out, that make ME a liar. Oh, good stuff.
What you are implying, however, is that the conservative groups where targeted more than other groups.
That is not known by anybody outside of the IRS or those now privy to the full data set. That does NOT include you nor does it include the links that you provide.
You're implying something that is not yet known and using partial quotes to support that implication makes you a liar.
And you know it. That doesn't stop you from doing it because your are a filthy liar.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service
“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke
"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman
If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
And the stories (yes, plural) keep changing. An interesting take:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...8ca_story.html
It is never good for an administration when a front-page newspaper article about an ongoing controversy begins as follows: “The White House offered a new account Monday of how and when it learned . . . ” That’s what readers of The Post awoke to on Tuesday. In trying to contain the controversy and protect President Obama, White House officials have only added to questions about what happened.
Until this week, the story of how White House officials learned that the Internal Revenue Service was targeting conservative groups was fairly straightforward...
...Why would it be inappropriate for the president to know what his chief of staff, his counsel and others on his senior staff knew and were talking about with others in the government?
...The answer, of course, is Plausible Deniability.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...t-against-irs/
-Has PW bothered to read the news?
They already admitted it:
...which word does he not understand?
ADMITTED.
ADMITTED.
Sheesh.
Let me see if I can explain this in words that you might understand.And the stories (yes, plural) keep changing. An interesting take:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...8ca_story.html
It is never good for an administration when a front-page newspaper article about an ongoing controversy begins as follows: “The White House offered a new account Monday of how and when it learned . . . ” That’s what readers of The Post awoke to on Tuesday. In trying to contain the controversy and protect President Obama, White House officials have only added to questions about what happened.
Until this week, the story of how White House officials learned that the Internal Revenue Service was targeting conservative groups was fairly straightforward...
...Why would it be inappropriate for the president to know what his chief of staff, his counsel and others on his senior staff knew and were talking about with others in the government?
...The answer, of course, is Plausible Deniability.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...t-against-irs/
-Has PW bothered to read the news?
They already admitted it:
...which word does he not understand?
ADMITTED.
ADMITTED.
Sheesh.
You are an adult but with the brain of a 4 year old. Every day they take you to the zoo to see the animals. One day, the care providers tell everyone that the most challenged are going to get ice cream. You are obviously picked first but another 8 challenged adults are chosen as well. Three of the other 8 were women (now don't read this Jimmie because it will only confuse you but for those a tad smarter that would be 1/3 of the group; imagine that, just like the t-baggers picked by the IRS!)
Now, here is your question, Jimmy. Did the three women get favorable treatment?
Now if you answered yes, Jimmie, good for you! That is the right answer! Aren’t you being the smart one today!
Okay, now put on your thinking cap, Jimmie, this one is going to be a tad tougher. Are you ready? (Ah, I hope that didn't confuse you - that is not the question).
Here's your question -
Did anyone else get favorable treatment (psss, thatt means ice cream) other than the 3 women?
Now don't answer too quickly; give yourself some time. Here's a hint, Jimmie, you're a man in this story - and you got ice cream!
Once you figure this out, get back to me. I know you might be confused with you and your companions getting 'favorable' treatment when those big meanies at the IRS gave 'unfavorable' treatment to your fellow baggers. I'll explain that it’s kind of the same thing. But don't let that confuse you right now. Just be still and think about that question – did anyone else get ice cream?
Take your time; all night if need be. You can even ask mommy for some help on this one.
I can wait. I usually don't wait for morons but I'll make an exception this time.
Last edited by playwrite; 05-22-2013 at 06:22 PM.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service
“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke
"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman
If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
-What's missing form PW's attempt at analysis is that the IRS has already admitted wrong doing:Let me see if I can explain this in words that you might understand.
You are an adult but with the brain of a 4 year old. Every day they take you to the zoo to see the animals. One day, the care providers tell everyone that the most challenged are going to get ice cream. You are obviously picked first but another 8 challenged adults are chosen as well. Three of the other 8 were women (now don't read this Jimmie because it will only confuse you but for those a tad smarter that would be 1/3 of the group; imagine that, just like the t-baggers picked by the IRS!
Now, here is your question, Jimmy. Did the three women get favorable treatment?
Now if you answered yes, Jimmie, good for you! That is the right answer! Aren’t you being the smart one today!
Okay, now put on your thinking cap, Jimmie, this one is going to be a tad tougher. Are you ready? (Ah, I hope that didn't confuse you - that is not the question).
Here's your question -
Did anyone else get favorable treatment (psss, thatt means ice cream) other than the 3 women?
Now don't answer too quickly; give yourself some time. Here's a hint, Jimmie, you're a man in this story - and you got ice cream!
Once you figure this out, get back to me. I know you might be confused with you and your companions getting 'favorable' treatment when those big meanies at the IRS gave 'unfavorable' treatment to your fellow baggers. I'll explain that it’s kind of the same thing. But don't let that confuse you right now. Just be still and think about that question – did anyone else get ice cream?
Take your time; all night if need be. You can even ask mommy for some help on this one.
I can wait.
ADMITTED. There's nothing left after that, other than to find out who was involved and punish them.
This shouldn't be hard.
If fascism ever comes to America I will be a Tory. I'd swear fealty to the reigning monarch of a Constitutional Monarchy before I would sweat loyalty to some fascistic Party Boss like Karl Rove.
Both!-You mean (to abolition of slavery), "libertarian" idea...
Many people are sure failures at a rigorous university -- the only sort of university worth attending or supporting. We need more alternatives to the four-year university, as there is only so much talent available for college teaching and only so many people who can profit from it. Yes, about a half of all colleges' degrees aren't worth the fake parchment upon which they are printed. That's before I discuss those people who are ill-suited for college in any form and drop out because they can't do college-level work.-Actually, it divides people into classes at a fairly young age, and, in the trades at least, it produces people not able to adapt to a changing economy. The school of hard knocks has a lot to offer.
We need jobs for people with IQs in the 80s and 90s -- which the factory used to provide with a middle income attached in return for diligent toil.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
-Sure. Karl Rove is a fascist. I'm sure you'd be much happier with the Tories.
-Well, we've got a POTUS who claims that everyone should go to college.
We've already covered this turf:
-Great. Start creating them.
What's the difference between a common sense conservative (classical liberal) and a bleeding heart liberal (progressive) as far as their skills, abilities and intelligence levels? Based on my experiences, there isn't much of a difference between them.
Bolshevik or Stalinist methods in the service of a reactionary agenda is one way to get fascism. Just think of the Parti Populaire Français. Its political leadership called itself a Politburo and it made much of May 1 as Labor Day.
If a right-wing organization uses fronts, makes populist appeals grossly contrary to objective truth, and adopts Commie-style "democratic centralism" in service of a reactionary cause it is probably fascist.
If the "TEA Party" types style themselves as patriots, then by their standard I am a Tory... someone who regrets that the United States ever came into existence. I suspect that around 1935 many people regretted that Germany had been unified only to fall to you-know-who.
On that he is wrong.-Well, we've got a POTUS who claims that everyone should go to college.
I'm not an entrepreneur.-Great. Start creating jobs.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
"Common-sense conservative" is a flattering self-appealation that often proves an oxymoron. I know of no current liberals who describe themselves as "bleeding-hearts".
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
[This is a pretty funny take on the IRS bigshots' testimony:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-congress-tax/
...the Senate Finance Committee called Steven Miller, former acting IRS commissioner, to testify about the agency’s scheme targeting conservatives for tax punishment.
Right away, Mr. Miller got down to the business of reminding everyone why we all hate the IRS so much.
“Unfortunately, given time considerations,” he began, “the IRS was unable to prepare written testimony.”
Given time considerations? Unable to prepare? Are you kidding us?
Have you ever heard of April 15? Can you imagine if we called up the IRS and said, “Given time considerations, we were unable to prepare our tax filings today.”
Under the threat of a gun and promise of jail time, we file our taxes precisely on time every year. Without fail. Without excuse. Without complaint. Everyone has heard the nightmares of ruinous IRS penalties aimed at destroying lives, families and livelihoods for missing those deadlines.
But given the “time constraints,” you weren’t able to prepare? Tell that to the thousands of small business owners who have gone bankrupt because they couldn’t make payments on time. Or failed to file proper tax returns...
“I did not lie,” [Miller] spat at Mr. Hatch. “I did not lie.”
How would that go over with the IRS? “I did not lie. I just didn’t include that particular part of income in my filing. But I didn’t ever say specifically that I didn’t earn it. I just didn’t tell you about it.”
Then [Miller] tried blaming the scandal on Congress and taxpayers for not giving the agency enough money. Then he blamed it on people inside the agency who were just “trying to be more efficient.”
Good luck with that one, too. “The reason I did not pay my taxes is because, well, I didn’t have enough money. And I was trying to be more efficient by eliminating this one huge expense called TAXES!”
...Committee Chairman Max Baucus inquired why nobody in the agency had been fired over the gross violations.
...After a long silence, Mr. Baucus tried again. “Well, what action did you take?”
[Miller] stammered and stuttered a bunch of bureaucratic psychobabble. They did some training, held some workshops and collated some files, he said in all seriousness. Somebody got “transferred,” Meatball said, before correcting himself and saying the person was actually “reassigned.”
Oh, said [Miller], and then there was the “oral counseling.”I don’t know what that is, but I am pretty sure it is not one of the programs offered to us if we miss an April 15 deadline.
-It thought that PW's inability to understand what the word "admitted" means:
...I thought it might just be a blind spot, or maybe an odd debating technique of PW's.
But I think I understand. PW is trying to say that Obama's IRS did not target various conservative/libertarian groups. Instead, the IRS is merely claiming that their people acted illegally, even though they did not. I get it. This now leaves open the question of why the IRS would claim that its people committed crimes when they did not. It's an interesting conspiracy theory that PW has here, and I can't wait to see him explain it in full.
Obama knows NOTHING!
Obama's latest press conference...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8105U1WY9ro
The question was not whether the IRS did something wrong.
The question is did they do more to conservative groups than they did to others.
Here is exactly what the IG report had to say -
.Of the nearly 300 groups that received extra scrutiny, about one-third were selected because of their conservative name. According to the inspector general’s report, the IRS flagged 72 “tea party” groups, 11 “9/12″ groups and 13 “patriots” groups for additional review. The IRS flagged an additional 202 groups, which the report classified as “other.” The ideology of these 202 groups is unclear.
Furthermore, the head of the IRS, under oath to a hostile Congressional committee, sitting next to the IRS IG who conducted the investigation said (note - he's a lawyer so he understands the consequences of lying) -
All of the above is primary information from the IG Report of the head of the IRS; every link you have provided is from secondary sources that is an interpretation of these primary sources. I know you're an idiot and might not understand the difference.Rep. Peter Roskam, R-IL: "How come only conservative groups got snagged?"
Outgoing acting IRS commissioner Steve Miller: "They didn't sir. Organizations of all walks and all persuasions were pulled in. That’s shown by the fact that only 70 of the 300 organizations were tea party organizations, of the ones that were looked at by TIGTA [Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration]."
Again, let me explain for the upmteeth time, NO ONE YET KNOWS THE POLITICAL CHARACTERISTICS OF THE LARGE MAJORITY OF ORGANIZATIONS EXCEPT THAT THEY ARE NOT T-BAGGERS.
Even after giving you two days, you weren't able to answer the question of the ice cream analogy (answer 6 others got ice cream in addition to the 3 women) so I'm pretty sure your response will be just another post of links implying that only baggers were asked to provide more information. No one knows that and you are a lying piece of magic pony poo for suggesting otherwise.
Grow up, or no ice cream for you.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service
“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke
"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman
If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
And I bet no President in the last 100 years even knows where the IRS is housed in DC, let alone in Ohio.
You sure must be in some backward back woods .
If this is all you guys got, the issue is politically over.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service
“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke
"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman
If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
Unlike you, most of us aren't living on Daddy's trustfund in Manhatten. We have to actually work for a living in the real world.And I bet no President in the last 100 years even knows where the IRS is housed in DC, let alone in Ohio.
You sure must be in some backward back woods .
If this is all you guys got, the issue is politically over.
