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Post#201 at 07-24-2013 03:00 PM by JDG 66 [at joined Aug 2010 #posts 2,116]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Oh yea, field people checking in with Legal back at HQ. Wow, like that never happens.
-That's not all Hofacre and Hull testified to. Maybe PW should actually click the link and read the entire articles:
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...pinion_LEADTop

The IRS scandal was connected this week not just to the Washington office—that had been established—but to the office of the chief counsel. That is a bombshell... the chief counsel of the IRS is one of only two Obama political appointees in the entire agency.

...Elizabeth Hofacre... told investigators that her work was overseen and directed by a lawyer in the IRS Washington office named Carter Hull.

...Mr. Hull... told investigators that tea-party applications under his review were sent upstairs within the Washington office, at the direction of Lois Lerner...

The IRS chief counsel is named William Wilkins. And again, he is one of only two Obama political appointees in the IRS.

Ms. Hofacre of the Cincinnati office testified that when she was given tea-party applications, she had to kick them upstairs. When she was given non-tea-party applications, they were sent on for normal treatment. Was she told to send liberal or progressive groups for special scrutiny? No, she did not scrutinize the applications of liberal or progressive groups. "I would send those to general inventory." Who got extra scrutiny? "They were all tea-party and patriot cases."

...Mr. Hull backed up what he'd told House investigators...

[And now, for Mr. Cummings... ]

It was Maryland's Rep. Elijah Cummings, the panel's ranking Democrat, who, absurdly, asked Ms. Hofacre if the White House called the Cincinnati office to tell them what to do and whether she has knowledge of the president of the United States digging through the tax returns of citizens. Ms. Hofacre looked surprised. No, she replied.

It wasn't hard to imagine her thought bubble: Do congressmen think presidents call people like me and say, "Don't forget to harass my enemies"? Are congressmen that stupid?

Mr. Cummings is not, and his seeming desperation is telling. Recent congressional information leads to Washington—and now to very high up at the IRS. The multitiered scrutiny of the targeted groups was, he said, "unusual."

...First, Ms. Lerner planted a question at a conference. Then she said the Cincinnati office did it—a narrative that was advanced by the president's spokesman, Jay Carney. Then came the suggestion the IRS was too badly managed to pull off a sophisticated conspiracy. Then the charge that liberal groups were targeted too—"we did it against both ends of the political spectrum." When the inspector general of the IRS said no, it was conservative groups that were targeted, he came under attack. Now the defense is that the White House wasn't involved, so case closed...







Post#202 at 07-24-2013 04:06 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,451]
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Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
-That's not all Hofacre and Hull testified to. Maybe PW should actually click the link and read the entire articles:
Chief council review legal advice given by one of his charges.....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
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Post#203 at 07-24-2013 04:08 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,451]
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Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
-That's not all Hofacre and Hull testified to. Maybe PW should actually click the link and read the entire articles:
Chief council reviews legal advice given by one of his charges.....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Don't you think fiddling with Shakin Puttin would be more fun than that broken light switch?

Quit trying to be so cerebral; it's not really 'ur thang.
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Post#204 at 07-24-2013 04:16 PM by JDG 66 [at joined Aug 2010 #posts 2,116]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Chief council reviews legal advice given by one of his charges.....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
-PW really hopes this disappears. May he keep wishing...







Post#205 at 08-15-2013 11:55 AM by JDG 66 [at joined Aug 2010 #posts 2,116]
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This is interesting (18 MAY 2009):

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124260113149028331.html

At his Arizona State University commencement speech last Wednesday, Mr. Obama noted that ASU had refused to grant him an honorary degree, citing his lack of experience, and the controversy this had caused. He then demonstrated ASU's point by remarking, "I really thought this was much ado about nothing, but I do think we all learned an important lesson. I learned never again to pick another team over the Sun Devils in my NCAA brackets. . . . President [Michael] Crowe and the Board of Regents will soon learn all about being audited by the IRS."

Funny.







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Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
This is interesting (18 MAY 2009):

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124260113149028331.html

At his Arizona State University commencement speech last Wednesday, Mr. Obama noted that ASU had refused to grant him an honorary degree, citing his lack of experience, and the controversy this had caused. He then demonstrated ASU's point by remarking, "I really thought this was much ado about nothing, but I do think we all learned an important lesson. I learned never again to pick another team over the Sun Devils in my NCAA brackets. . . . President [Michael] Crowe and the Board of Regents will soon learn all about being audited by the IRS."

Funny.
When you're telling jokes about your supposed scandal and all the other side has left is to critique your joking, it's all over except for the guy left to turn out the lights.

It seems Grand Theft Auto Issa has left the room, I guess you need to start thinking about where that light switch may be.
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Post#207 at 08-19-2013 12:43 PM by JDG 66 [at joined Aug 2010 #posts 2,116]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
When you're telling jokes about your supposed scandal and all the other side has left is to critique your joking, it's all over except for the guy left to turn out the lights...
-Playwright's predictions suck. We'll see what tap dancing he's doing this time next year.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...223033512.html

The Internal Revenue Service's scandalous targeting of tea party and conservative groups refuses to die, as one by one the administration's explanations prove untrue.

We were told that the White House, like the rest of the country, learned about the program on May 10 through a planted question asked of then IRS official Lois Lerner at an American Bar Association conference. Turns out the White House knew earlier.

We were told the targeting was the work of a few rogue IRS employees in Cincinnati. Then those employees insisted that they were being managed from Washington.

We were told that no political appointees were involved, but now we know the scandal goes at least to the office of Obama appointee and IRS Chief Counsel William Wilkins.

We were told that liberal groups were targeted, too. But then the IRS's inspector general, whose report exposed the harassment, clarified that only conservative groups were targeted...

Now the administration line is that the scandal is nonetheless "phony." That assertion is part of a Democratic counteroffensive contending that the tea party and conservative groups applying for "charitable" tax status never should have sought such IRS approval...








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Is this what he meant? -

Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
-Playwright's predictions suck. We'll see what tap dancing he's doing this time next year

Today, the IRS released for public comment a proposal to define what will be considered political activity by a 501(c) "dark money." The proposal would greatly clip the ability of Karl Rove's super pac as well as the t-baggers ability to hide who their actual donors are. This is a direct response to the faux IRS scandal earlier this year.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101229716

Moreover, Treasury is seeking comment for the need for further guidance. This is a thinly veiled reference to the 50 year old IRS interpretation of the law's "exclusively" to be "primarily." If THAT gets changed then the 501c's will really get a much-deserved kick in the butt.

So here we are, less than 3 months after Glick's dire prediction, let alone a year. Has anyone here heard anything since about the faux IRS scandal??? And if you look upstream, you will find my raising that the real scandal was the original IRS broadening of the law's definition 50 or so years ago.

Certain folks here have constantly told me how wrong I was going to be - about inflation, unemployment, Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Libya, Obama's re-election, Syria, Benghazi!, you name it. And now they want to bet against me on Obamacare??? Bring it.
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Post#209 at 11-28-2013 06:17 PM by Bad Dog [at joined Dec 2012 #posts 2,157]
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I cleared more than $2,000 on Intrade on the 2012 elections. Pity it isn't around for smaller affairs like this one, although the Iowa electronic exchange is around for the big races.







Post#210 at 06-16-2014 11:51 AM by JDG 66 [at joined Aug 2010 #posts 2,116]
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...add_story.html

The IRS told Congress Friday it cannot locate many of Lois Lerner’s emails prior to 2011 because her computer crashed during the summer of that year...

The IRS said technicians went to great lengths trying to recover data from Lerner’s computer in 2011. In emails provided by the IRS, technicians said they sent the computer to a forensic lab run by the agency’s criminal investigations unit. But to no avail...

...Lerner had copied in other IRS employees... But an untold number are gone.







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Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...add_story.html

The IRS told Congress Friday it cannot locate many of Lois Lerner’s emails prior to 2011 because her computer crashed during the summer of that year...
Missing e-mails?

So this is what it's like when the clown car gets down to two occupants - just watch GTA Issa, he might steal your big floppy shoes!

zzzzzzzzzz
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Post#212 at 06-16-2014 01:09 PM by JDG 66 [at joined Aug 2010 #posts 2,116]
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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireS...probe-24131548

"Do they really expect the American people to believe that, after having withheld these emails for a year, they're just now realizing the most critical time period is missing?" said Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., chairman of the House Oversight Committee. "If there wasn't nefarious conduct that went much higher than Lois Lerner in the IRS targeting scandal, why are they playing these games?"


http://sharylattkisson.com/lois-lern...s-for-the-irs/

...According to the House Ways and Means Committee, the IRS reports having “lost” former IRS manager Lois Lerner’s emails to and from other IRS employees sent between January of 2009 and April of 2011 due to a ‘computer crash.’
In light of the disclosure, these are some of the logical requests that should be made of the IRS:


  • Please provide a timeline of the crash and documentation covering when it was first discovered and by whom; when, how and by whom it was learned that materials were lost; the official documentation reporting the crash and federal data loss; documentation reflecting all attempts to recover the materials; and the remediation records documenting the fix. This material should include the names of all officials and technicians involved, as well as all internal communications about the matter.
  • Please provide all documents and emails that refer to the crash from the time that it happened through the IRS’ disclosure to Congress Friday that it had occurred.
  • Please provide the documents that show the computer crash and lost data were appropriately reported to the required entities including any contractor servicing the IRS. If the incident was not reported, please explain why.
  • Please provide a list summarizing what other data was irretrievably lost in the computer crash. If the loss involved any personal data, was the loss disclosed to those impacted? If not, why?
  • Please provide documentation reflecting any security analyses done to assess the impact of the crash and lost materials. If such analyses were not performed, why not?
  • Please provide documentation showing the steps taken to recover the material, and the names of all technicians who attempted the recovery.
  • Please explain why redundancies required for federal systems were either not used or were not effective in restoring the lost materials, and provide documentation showing how this shortfall has been remediated.
  • Please provide any documents reflecting an investigation into how the crash resulted in the irretrievable loss of federal data and what factors were found to be responsible for the existence of this situation.
  • I would also ask for those who discovered and reported the crash to testify under oath, as well as any officials who reported the materials as having been irretrievably lost.



...House and Ways Committee Chairman Dave Camp (R-Mich.) says that along with providing news of the emails that have been lost, the IRS suggested in the same letter to Congress that it end its investigation...

The late disclosure of the lost emails may be reason to disregard the suggestion.

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Missing e-mails? zzzzzzzzzz
-PW seems to be pretending to buy that it was just an unfortunate accident.

No backup in the server?

The Obamanation must be in trouble when they're ready to claim gross incompetence in lieu of corruption.







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Political activity has never been tax-exempt. Maybe such a non-profit as a Scout troop or a fraternal lodge can get exemption from state and local sales taxes, but those groups are not political in purpose. (Scout troops prohibit the use of Scout uniforms in political campaigns).

The county Democratic Party where I live pays Michigan state sales taxes on forms and supplies that people do not bring themselves. I can't vouch for the local Republican Party for some reason.
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Quote Originally Posted by pbrower2a View Post
Political activity has never been tax-exempt. Maybe such a non-profit as a Scout troop or a fraternal lodge can get exemption from state and local sales taxes, but those groups are not political in purpose. (Scout troops prohibit the use of Scout uniforms in political campaigns).

The county Democratic Party where I live pays Michigan state sales taxes on forms and supplies that people do not bring themselves. I can't vouch for the local Republican Party for some reason.
The Krotch Brothers will let their Koch suckers pursue this faux IRS scandal just so long as it paints the victim as being t-baggers and ignoring that Progressive groups were proportionally more targeted and it gets tongue twisted enough (e.g. missing e-mails, a flawed partisan IG hack job) to cover up the fundamental issue.

However, if it ever gets close to closing the 501(c)(4) ”exclusively” versus “primarily” loop hole, the Krotch Bros will shutdown their sheeple bleating faster than GTA Darrell Issa can hot wire a car!
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
...ignoring that Progressive groups were proportionally more targeted...
-This lie was disposed of long ago:

Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
-The NYT left out a few details from the AP wire story:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-w...ge&ir=homepage
...George's audit discovered a list from August 2010 that included the terms "Tea Party," `'Patriots" and "9/12 Project." The report said IRS agents inappropriately asked these conservative groups to identify their donors, their political affiliations and their positions on political issues, resulting in delays averaging nearing two years for applications to be processed.

Leaders of progressive groups said they, too, were asked detailed questions about their activities...

[Ooh! Ooh! Me Too!]

But, several leaders said, they were not asked the inappropriate questions listed in the inspector general's report...

[Oh, well...]


...the term "tea party" included instructions to forward such cases to other agents for additional review. There were no such instructions accompanying the term "Progressive"...

[Oops...]...
...and here:

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...ti-office.html

The effort was concentrated on Tea Party groups in the beginning, according to transcripts reviewed last week by Bloomberg News. In addition to putting Democratic-leaning organizations’ applications back in the general pile, the IRS didn’t give extra scrutiny to groups identified as conservative.

“It was more narrow than that,” said Elizabeth Hofacre, who handled the first batch of cases, according to an interview transcript. “It was Tea Party.”
But who did Lois Lerner give a pass to:

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http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/14/ir...thers-charity/

Lois Lerner, the senior IRS official at the center of the decision to target tea party groups for burdensome tax scrutiny, signed paperwork granting tax-exempt status to the Barack H. Obama Foundation, a shady charity headed by the president’s half-brother that operated illegally for years...

...The National Legal and Policy Center filed an official complaint with the IRS in May 2011 asking why the foundation was being allowed to solicit tax-deductible contributions when it had not even applied for an IRS determination... Nevertheless, a month later, the Barack H. Obama Foundation had flown through the grueling application process. Lerner granted the organization a 501(c) determination and even gave it a retroactive tax exemption dating back to December 2008...
-Another tell that Progresssives know that they've run out of excuses:

Koch brothers! Koch brothers!







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Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
-This lie was disposed of long ago:
And your lying that it (i.e. progressives disproportionately targeted) is a lie was also disposed of long ago.

Your lie rest completely on J. Russell George' flawed, Issa-directed request that George only audit IRS activiites pertaining to t-baggers and specifically leave out anything to do with Progressive groups..

All laid out here -

1) Why didn’t you mention IRS officials were trained to flag progressive groups?

This is perhaps the top question on the minds of many Democrats who were incensed that George’s report didn’t include mention of a July 28, 2010, meeting in which IRS employees were instructed to keep an eye out for liberal groups — not just conservatives — applying for tax exemptions.

Complete with a PowerPoint that included a photo of a donkey and an elephant under the subhead “politics,” the newly uncovered training session slides told employees to flag “tea party,” “patriots,” and “9/12 Project” as well as “progressive.”

A spokesperson for George declined to comment for this story.

But don’t expect much hand-wringing from the inspector general, who has essentially pleaded ignorance about the training to lawmakers.

“Mr. George’s office suggested recently that the office may not have been aware of these documents when they prepared the report, provided testimony before Congress, and sent letters to members,” Maryland Rep. Elijah Cummings, the top Democrat on Oversight, recently wrote to committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.).

2) Why did you fail to mention be-on the-lookout lists aimed at liberal groups?

Then there are questions about BOLOs that called on IRS employees to watch for “progressive” groups.

In early testimony, George never mentioned any BOLOs for left-leaning groups, which included instructions for IRS employees to flag applications that reference Occupy Wall Street or mention the “99 percent,” “blue” or include activities that “appear anti-Republican.”

Karen Kraushaar, a spokeswoman for George, previously said the inspector general doesn’t expand the scope of audits requested by Congress. Issa is the lawmaker who asked George to initiate the probe.

On Thursday, Kraushaar added: “[Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration] thoroughly reviews all allegations of waste, fraud and abuse.”

Oversight Democrat Gerry Connolly of Virginia plans to probe George about Issa’s private audit instructions to find out if the inspector general was asked to focus solely on conservative groups and disregard any liberal nonprofits.

“He’s going to have to explain conversations he’s had with the committee that he claimed limited the scope of his audit,” Connolly said. “It’s sort of a nonsensical explanation because does anyone really believe an inspector general of any agency is limited in the scope of an audit by a member of Congress?”

Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-N.Y.) said George should have expanded the scope of his audit once he realized liberal groups were also included on the lookout lists.

“That’s not how you do things in government,” she said. “You need to report on the whole picture, not just one.”

Of course, Republicans insist that the instructions to look for left-leaning groups don’t change the overall narrative that conservative groups were subjected to unnecessary delays and scrutiny. And no evidence has emerged to suggest that there was a widespread practice of asking liberals for the type of detailed information, like donor lists or meeting minutes, that the IRS sought from organizations aligned with the tea party.

3) What about the separate probe?

Democrats have criticized George for failing to inform Congress that in addition to his famous audit, a separate group of TIGTA investigators examined 5,500 IRS employee emails and found no evidence that political bias motivated the scrutiny of tea party groups.

Fueling Democrats’ anger even further, Cummings has alleged that the review of the emails was “scrubbed from an earlier draft” of the TIGTA audit.

“It is a huge omission on TIGTA’s part,” a Democratic aide said. “Had that been included in the audit, it would have changed the whole tenor of [the] issue to begin with and subsequent investigations.”

George has insisted during previous hearings that he conducted a limited audit at the request of a lawmaker — Issa — and wasn’t leading a broad investigation.

And even if the emails weren’t included in the report, George has repeatedly said during congressional hearings that he found no evidence of political bias at the IRS.

He’ll most likely have to say the same thing on Thursday.

4) Why did you recently intervene to withhold IRS documents from Congress?

Last week, IRS employees were prepared to turn over another batch of new documents to Oversight staffers, but George “personally” intervened, according to the letter Cummings sent to Issa.

Now Democrats are wondering if he’s covering up something.

The law bans the IRS from sharing details with anyone — including most members of Congress — that might reveal sensitive taxpayer information. Since May, the IRS produced hundreds of thousands of documents for the panel and simply redacted personally identifiable taxpayer information.

George raised eyebrows when he said the information IRS planned to share with the committee crossed the legal line. Cummings questioned if George could be “prevent[ing] the disclosure of relevant information that could raise further questions about the reliability of his report and testimony.”

Michigan Rep. Sander Levin, the top Democrat on the Ways and Means Committee, said Wednesday that it is “imperative that the inspector general operate in a nonpartisan manner and be completely forthcoming with the Congress and the American people.”

On Thursday, George could simply retort that he’s trying to enforce the law and protect Americans’ private information — which the public is even more sensitive about in the scandal’s aftermath.

5) Can we trust you?

“People are going to be looking for clues as to [George’s] capacity for objectivity, which has been very badly damaged,” Connolly said. “Why should we trust anything you say?”

Democrats privately have raised questions about $2,800 worth of campaign contributions George made to Republicans before he took his inspector post, suggesting he could have a political agenda.

The inspector general’s office has previously said it stands by its audit and that any suggestions of a bias from George is unfounded.

Cummings, for his part, said he isn’t ready to vilify George.

“One thing I’m not going to do is prejudge him, and that’s one of the reasons I wanted him to have an opportunity to come in and clarify certain things that we need to know,” he said.
Oh, and we all know how well George's eventual testimony went -

Treasury Inspector General Blocked IRS From Releasing Documents That Show Agency Targeted Progressive Groups
No one has seen too much of little George since; I don't think GTA Issa is going to call him back either.

I've gotten use to your moronic repetitions, but your constant rehashing of well worn-out lies is hard to swallow.

I guess your moronic strategy is that people will forget what actually happened and start believing your lies again. The problem with that, moron. is that people forget because they just don't care any more about the topic. Like I said, it must be lonely being one of the last clowns still in the clown car.
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Oh, my:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...eliana-Johnson

It’s not just Lois Lerner’s e-mails. The Internal Revenue Service says it can’t produce e-mails from six more employees involved in the targeting of conservative groups...

The IRS recently informed Ways and Means chairman Dave Camp and subcommittee chairman Charles Boustany that computer crashes resulted in additional lost e-mails, including from Nikole Flax, the chief of staff to former IRS commissioner Steven Miller, who was fired in the wake of the targeting scandal...


Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
And your lying that it (i.e. progressives disproportionately targeted) is a lie was also disposed of long ago...
-PW is either a liar or an idiot. Anyone can go back and see that I pointed out that Progressives groups were sometimes checked (as all groups were supposed to be), but that Conservative groups suspiciously took the brunt of the IRS's attention.

Sheesh.

This sums it up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_IRS_controversy

...Further investigation revealed that liberal-leaning groups and the Occupy movement had also triggered additional scrutiny, but not at nearly the same rate as conservative groups...

As for the reason no one has seen "little George" since then is because he answered the Donkey's criticisms:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_IRS_controversy

...the letter acknowledged that he knew that the word "progressive" had appeared in IRS screening documents... The letter further stated that out of the 20 groups applying for tax-exempt status whose names contained "progress" or "progressive", 6 had been chosen for more scrutiny as compared to all of the 292 groups applying for tax-exempt status whose names contained "tea party", "patriot", or "9/12"...

6 vs. 292. George's original conclusions still stand.

So much for that.


If PW wants to argue with Wiki's take, he can do so.

And another thing. PW didn't bother providing a link for that supposedly authoritative article of on the inspector general's testimony. Why not? Here it is:

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...rge-94387.html

Uh huh.

Since 2013, we've found out a lot more:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...watchdog-says/

Internal Revenue Service employees urged callers to vote for President Obama, disparaged Republicans in conversations with taxpayers and wore pro-Obama swag at work during the 2012 election cycle, according to a federal ethics watchdog...

First, progies claimed that it was just a rogue element in Cincinnati. That turned out to be a lie.

Then they claimed that the targeting was equal. That was a lie.

Then Lois Lerner takes the 5th. Obviously, because nothing she might have said would have incriminated her. xxxxx

Then, after all this time, the IRS claims that a dog ate her e-mails.

Now, the IRS claims that a dog ate a whole bunch of people's e-mails.

What next?







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Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
Oh, my:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...eliana-Johnson

It’s not just Lois Lerner’s e-mails. The Internal Revenue Service says it can’t produce e-mails from six more employees involved in the targeting of conservative groups...

The IRS recently informed Ways and Means chairman Dave Camp and subcommittee chairman Charles Boustany that computer crashes resulted in additional lost e-mails, including from Nikole Flax, the chief of staff to former IRS commissioner Steven Miller, who was fired in the wake of the targeting scandal...




-PW is either a liar or an idiot. Anyone can go back and see that I pointed out that Progressives groups were sometimes checked (as all groups were supposed to be), but that Conservative groups suspiciously took the brunt of the IRS's attention.

Sheesh.

This sums it up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_IRS_controversy

...Further investigation revealed that liberal-leaning groups and the Occupy movement had also triggered additional scrutiny, but not at nearly the same rate as conservative groups...

As for the reason no one has seen "little George" since then is because he answered the Donkey's criticisms:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_IRS_controversy

...the letter acknowledged that he knew that the word "progressive" had appeared in IRS screening documents... The letter further stated that out of the 20 groups applying for tax-exempt status whose names contained "progress" or "progressive", 6 had been chosen for more scrutiny as compared to all of the 292 groups applying for tax-exempt status whose names contained "tea party", "patriot", or "9/12"...

6 vs. 292. George's original conclusions still stand.

So much for that.


If PW wants to argue with Wiki's take, he can do so.

And another thing. PW didn't bother providing a link for that supposedly authoritative article of on the inspector general's testimony. Why not? Here it is:

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...rge-94387.html

Uh huh.

Since 2013, we've found out a lot more:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...watchdog-says/

Internal Revenue Service employees urged callers to vote for President Obama, disparaged Republicans in conversations with taxpayers and wore pro-Obama swag at work during the 2012 election cycle, according to a federal ethics watchdog...

First, progies claimed that it was just a rogue element in Cincinnati. That turned out to be a lie.

Then they claimed that the targeting was equal. That was a lie.

Then Lois Lerner takes the 5th. Obviously, because nothing she might have said would have incriminated her. xxxxx

Then, after all this time, the IRS claims that a dog ate her e-mails.

Now, the IRS claims that a dog ate a whole bunch of people's e-mails.

What next?
What next? Maybe you could offer the IRS some help -

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1) Lost e-mails = Bad.

2) 9-11 Anniversary= Well-Known Day.
that's some awesome powerful stuff there!!!
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
What next? Maybe you could offer the IRS some help
-Maybe a subpoena for those supposedly crashed computers?







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Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
-Maybe a subpoena for those supposedly crashed computers?
Mufasa! Mufasa! Benghazi! Benhazi! Lost e-mails! Lost e-mails!


Nay, the cadence is all wrong.
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Mufasa! Mufasa! Benghazi! Benhazi! Lost e-mails! Lost e-mails!...
-Yeah, I can see why PW would like to avoid thinking about the likelihood of those "lost" e-mails.







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Hmmm...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Records_Act

...the IRS is claiming they did a very bad thing. Hmmm...

PWBenghazi Given that the NSA monitors everything, I'm sure we're minutes away from the CIA recruiters knocking at your door! ...[/QUOTE]

-Maybe they can find Lois Lerner's emails? xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/06/1492...-places-might/

So taking into consideration that the location of the these mysterious emails could be anywhere, here are 15 other places where they might be...

...in the digital world, everything has a digital fingerprint.







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http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...rdy-1403653430

In private white-collar cases, companies facing a lawsuit routinely operate under what is known as a "litigation hold," instructing employees to affirmatively retain all documents related to the potential litigation. A failure to do that and any resulting document loss amounts to what is called "willful spoliation," or deliberate destruction of evidence if any of the destroyed documents were potentially relevant to the litigation.

At the IRS, that requirement applied to all correspondence regarding Z Street, as well as to information related to the vetting of conservative groups whose applications for tax-exempt status were delayed during an election season. Instead, and incredibly, the IRS cancelled its contract with email-archiving firm Sonasoft shortly after Ms. Lerner's computer "crash" in June 2011...

...the IRS also had a duty to notify Congress if it learned that discoverable evidence had been lost or destroyed. We now know that the IRS has been aware of Lois Lerner's lost emails since at least February, but IRS Commissioner John Koskinen failed to mention this in his congressional testimony on March 26...

...Attorney General Eric Holder won't name a special prosecutor, but there's still plenty of room for the judge in the Z Street case to force the IRS to explain and answer for its "willful spoliation" of email evidence.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...rs_123084.html

...Koskinen had delayed informing Congress of the lost emails for months, even while assuring members they would be provided. "It was my decision that we complete the investigation," he said, "so we could fully advise you as to what the situation was." Translation from management-speak: We wanted to get our story straight before we advised you of anything.

Koskinen complained about the breadth of subpoenas and the "piecemealing out" of information. Translation: We will provide you what we want when we want.

"Every email," Koskinen assured the House Ways and Means Committee, "has been preserved that we have." Except the ones they don't have -- and somehow snuffed out, tied to an anvil and thrown into the ocean.

Democrats were left to complain about a Republican "witch hunt" -- while Koskinen set up a caldron, added some eye of newt and toe of frog, and hailed the Thane of Cawdor.

To review: After President Obama first blamed "two Dilberts in Washington," an inspector general's report found that high-level IRS officials in Washington were involved in directing additional scrutiny toward tea party groups seeking tax exemptions. Lerner admitted as much, before taking the Fifth Amendment to avoid testifying before the House Oversight Committee. The House of Representatives held her in contempt. And now the evidence of possible communications between Lerner and other agencies (including the White House) has gone missing under suspicious circumstances...







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Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
[URL].... 'e-mails lost; dog ate homework; we're all going to die!!!!
Hey bozo, the IRS IT policy was to erase ALL e-mails on their server back-ups every 6 months and rely on individual decade-old computer hard drives. If you and the other bozos were concern that this made individual hard drives crashes more of a risk, then show us where you supported, or your bozos in Congress supported, more money for the IRS to upgrade their antiquated IT systems rather than cutting the crapt out of them for the last several years.

Oh, and if you are so concerned about lost govt e-mails, show us your posts from a few years back of you raising the concern over the Bush administration's lost 22 million emails including those associated with Bush’s torture policy -

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/06/28/republicans-attacking-obama-missing-irs-emails-caught-web-hypocrisy.html

Republicans Who Are Attacking Obama For Missing IRS Emails Caught In a Web of Hypocrisy
Moronic and hypocritical - what a pleasant combo.
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http://washingtonexaminer.com/anothe...rticle/2550394

IRS attorneys will be even busier than normal next week, because another federal judge has told them to show up in court July 11 to defend the federal tax agency.

They will have to explain to U.S. District Court Judge Reggie Walton why the IRS shouldn't be required to let an outside expert evaluate whether emails on the computer hard drives of former IRS official Lois Lerner and six colleagues really are lost forever...


http://washingtonexaminer.com/youve-...6/27/14&utm_me

What would you do if you opened a piece of mail addressed to you, only to discover that it was clearly intended for one of your neighbors? Most people would stop reading and simply forward it. It would seem right and moral – if not legally required – to avoid taking advantage of or otherwise exploiting the information in a letter intended for someone else.

Evidently, such ethical standards do not concern some politically engaged people at the IRS...

http://nypost.com/2014/06/29/ending-...r-gravy-train/

...The Internal Revenue Service doles out bonuses to employees guilty of illegal drug use, unemployment-benefits fraud, even tax evasion. A Treasury inspector general’s report released April 22 states that, “with few exceptions, the IRS does not consider tax compliance or other misconduct when issuing performance awards or most other types of awards.”

Yet IRS Commissioner John Koskinen told Congress this month that a special independent prosecutor to investigate IRS targeting of conservative groups “would be a monumental waste of taxpayer funds.” That’s a novel concern at the IRS or any federal agency...

You can tell when PW knows he's losing an argument: He starts name-calling.

Of course, that's about half of his posts.


Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
...the IRS IT policy was to erase ALL e-mails on their server back-ups every 6 months and rely on individual decade-old computer hard drives. If you and the other bozos were concern that this made individual hard drives crashes more of a risk, then show us where you supported, or your bozos in Congress supported, more money for the IRS to upgrade their antiquated IT systems rather than cutting the crapt out of them for the last several years...
Oh, the poor IRS:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...5a6_story.html

Terry... soon did what immigrants often do: He went into business, buying Schott’s Supermarket in Fraser, Mich., where he still works six days a week. The Internal Revenue Service, a tentacle of a government that spent $3.5 trillion in 2013, tried to steal more than $35,000 from Terry and Sandy that year.

...“They just walked into the store” and announced that they had emptied the store’s bank account. The IRS agents believed, or pretended to believe, that Terry and Sandy were or conceivably could be — which is sufficient for the IRS — conducting a criminal enterprise when not selling groceries...

Because 35 percent of Schott’s Supermarket’s receipts are in cash, Terry and Sandy make frequent trips to the bank to avoid tempting actual criminals by having large sums at the store. Besides, their insurance policy covers no cash loss in excess of $10,000.

...In 2012, the IRS notified them that it identified “no violations” of banking laws. But on Jan. 22, 2013, Terry and Sandy discovered that the IRS had obtained a secret warrant and emptied the store’s bank account. Sandy says that if the IRS had acted “the day before, there would have been only about $2,000 in the account.” Should we trust that today’s IRS was just lucky in its timing?

The IRS used “civil forfeiture,” the power to seize property suspected of being produced by, or involved with, crime. The IRS could have dispelled its suspicions of Terry and Sandy, if it actually had any, by simply asking them about the reasons — prudence, and the insurance limit — for their banking practices. It had, however, a reason not to ask obvious questions before proceeding.

The
civil forfeiture law ... is an incentive for perverse behavior: Predatory government agencies get to pocket the proceeds from property they seize from Americans without even charging them with, let alone convicting them of, crimes. Criminals are treated better than this... Sandy remembers her father exclaiming, “Aren’t we in the United States? We did nothing wrong.” ...it was done almost simultaneously to the owner of a gas station near Schott’s Supermarket who deposited his cash receipts whenever he could get to the bank, typically every few days.

Civil forfeiture proceeds on the guilty-until-proven-innocent principle, forcing property owners of limited means to hire lawyers and engage in protracted proceedings against a government with limitless resources just to prove their innocence...

“To make matters worse, forfeiture law treats property owners like random bystanders and requires them to intervene in the lawsuit filed by the government against their property just to get it back. That is why civil forfeiture cases have such unusual names, such as
United States v. $35,651.11 in U.S. Currency — the case involving Terry and Sandy.”


1) It's safe to say that the IRS had plenty of money. They wasted it on junkets, bonuses to the incompetent and corrupt, and harassing people who disagree with the POTUS.

2) PW is probably one of the last people in America buying the coincidence that an investigation begins, and a few days later everyone's computers crash, making any incriminating evidence supposedly irretrievable.
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