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Post#301 at 07-22-2015 04:41 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,451]
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Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
-The guys who put up the rebel battleflag were D's. They didn't stop. Most of them aren't even alive. Sheesh.
Ah, anyone putting one up today certainly isn't a D -- unless they are a very very confused individual.



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-I don't see the evidence.
- next time you're at one of their parties, ask - heck, you don't even need to ask them to take the white sheet off.


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-That's not what the IRS did. They let Leftie groups go with a wink and a nod. Righties got delay-delay-delay and had their private information made public against IRS policy.
Nope, just Faux News talking points that don't stand up to the data. We've been over that ad nauseum. This is just your amygdala telling you if you repeat it enough it will become true. Sorry, in the real world, doesn't work that way.
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Ah, anyone putting one up today certainly isn't a D -- unless they are a very very confused individual...
-The D's have decided to hate different groups. But they haven't changed. And the fact remains, is that the Democratic South was the racist South. Period.

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... next time you're at one of their parties, ask - heck, you don't even need to ask them to take the white sheet off...
-IOW, PW just made an unsubstantiated statement and is being a smart ass to cover it.







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Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
-The D's have decided to hate different groups. But they haven't changed. And the fact remains, is that the Democratic South was the racist South. Period.



-IOW, PW just made an unsubstantiated statement and is being a smart ass to cover it.
yea, just keep listening to that amygdala
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
yea, just keep listening to that amygdala
-But, we've already confirmed that it's the proggies who ca't control their amygdala:

I pointed that out for him and everyone else:
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Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
-But, we've already confirmed that it's the proggies who ca't control their amygdala:

I pointed that out for him and everyone else:

Yea... right.

Too bad the repeating ad nauseum the same old tired horse poop and parsing others' post is such a dead giveaway, ey?
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Yea... right.

Too bad the repeating ad nauseum the same old tired horse poop and parsing others' post is such a dead giveaway, ey?
-It has the virtue of being true. As for repeating stuff over and over again:

AMYGDALA!

But every time he brings it up, it reminds us of the truth.







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Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
-It has the virtue of being true. As for repeating stuff over and over again:

AMYGDALA!

But every time he brings it up, it reminds us of the truth.
Okay, lets see how an amygdala handles this -

Here is your response to the chart I provided that shows the IRS review of the number of non-baggers was more than the baggers -

http://www.fourthturning.com/forum/s...109#post527109

Your response was to provide the WSJ numbers, derived from the IG's review, on how long those bagger reviews took.

Okay, now provide the data on how long it took for the reviews of the non-baggers. I mean if there were so many more non-bagger reviews then there should be lots of data on how long those reviews took so as to compare, right? You do understand that, right?

Now the question is will your amygdala allow you to go search for that non-bagger data?

If it does, then the quesiton will be how your amygdala reacts when you can't find said data.

This should be fun.

If you're too busy digging up the National Mall in search of that stash of trust fund dollars that are going to run out, I understand.
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
... Here is your response to the chart I provided that shows the IRS review of the number of non-baggers was more than the baggers -

http://www.fourthturning.com/forum/s...109#post527109

Your response was to provide the WSJ numbers, derived from the IG's review, on how long those bagger reviews took...
...Can PW name one Leftie group that was delayed like the Righties? I already covered the comparison long ago:

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...-hold/2159983/

...In the 27 months that the Internal Revenue Service put a hold on all Tea Party applications for non-profit status, it approved applications from similar liberal groups, a USA TODAY review of IRS data shows...

...meanwhile, the IRS let "progressive" groups slide by, including one very special one:

http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/14/ir...thers-charity/

Lois Lerner, the senior IRS official at the center of the decision to target tea party groups for burdensome tax scrutiny, signed paperwork granting tax-exempt status to the Barack H. Obama Foundation, a shady charity headed by the president’s half-brother that operated illegally for years...

...The National Legal and Policy Center filed an official complaint with the IRS in May 2011 asking why the foundation was being allowed to solicit tax-deductible contributions when it had not even applied for an IRS determination... Nevertheless, a month later, the Barack H. Obama Foundation had flown through the grueling application process. Lerner granted the organization a 501(c) determination and even gave it a retroactive tax exemption dating back to December 2008...


IOW, the Barack H. Obama Foundation wasn't even tax exempt but was allowed to treat it's donations as tax exempt. So PW is making an awesome comparison there...
...and can Mr. Amygdala name one Leftie group that had its confidential info' revealed by the IRS?







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Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
...Can PW name one Leftie group that was delayed like the Righties? I already covered the comparison long ago:



...and can Mr. Amygdala name one Leftie group that had its confidential info' revealed by the IRS?
Pretty sad attempt at dodging the question.

Here it is again - where is the IG data on the non-baggers that was made available on the baggers for the WSJ article you referenced?

If you can't find the non-bagger data, please explain to us why that would be.

Or, please continue to provide a case study of the 'thinking' of an amygdala-dominated.

Again, if you're too busy digging up the National Mall, or too tired from doing so, looking for those stored SS Trust Fund dollars that are going to run out - well, we understand.
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ress-scrutiny/

The IRS sent one of its intrusive scrutiny letters to a nonprofit group in order to throw up a smokescreen and prevent the group from complaining to Congress about poor treatment, according to one of Lois G. Lerner’s apparently lost emails, which were recovered by auditors and released by an interest group Tuesday...

Afraid of congressional pressure, Ms. Thomas ordered one of the inquiry letters to be sent, just to prevent one of the organizations being held up from complaining.

“Just today, I instructed one of my managers to get an additional information letter out to one of these organizations — if nothing else to buy time so he didn’t contact his Congressional Office,” she wrote in the email released by Judicial Watch.
Ms. Thomas said she feared a judge would get involved soon and order the IRS to move the applications more quickly.
That email exchange did confirm that IRS employees in Washington were deeply involved in making decisions about the nonprofit groups’ cases.

The IRS initially blamed the Cincinnati office for the glitch...


http://thehill.com/policy/finance/24...-with-contempt

A federal judge threatened on Wednesday to hold IRS Commissioner John Koskinen in contempt of court, after the agency failed to follow through on an order to produce emails from Lois Lerner...

But the agency did not comply, nor did it ask the court to reconsider the idea – leaving Sullivan fuming...

The IRS said last year that it couldn't find an untold number of Lerner's emails over about a two-year span, because her hard drive crashed in 2011. Koskinen said at the time that the had destroyed Lerner's hard drive, and recycled tapes that would have backed up the emails.

But a Treasury inspector general investigation recently uncovered hundreds of emails that had not been given to Congress or the executive branch...

-Ah. Just stonewalling...

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...Pretty sad attempt at dodging the question...
-After I showed PW that Rightie groups were obviously delayed unfairly while Leftie groups were not, and even provide a specific example of an obviously bogus Leftie group that Lois Lerner gave a pass to, he claims that I dodged the question, even as he dodges the question. Neat.







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Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
....After I showed PW that Rightie groups were obviously delayed unfairly while Leftie groups were not...
No, you did not.

You did not because even though more non-bagger groups were caught in the IRS review, there is NO date on how long the non-bagger exemption requests were held.

There is no data because Chairman Grand-Thief-Auto Darrell Issa instructed the IRS Inspector General to ONLY collect such data on the bagger groups.

Unless and until you address that simple fact, the rest of your horseshit is bullshit.

I realize you and other amygdala-dominated brains cannot comprehend that simple fact and how it destroys any IRS "fairness" issue.... but everyone else can.
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwo...-so-lets-text/

...In 2013, when the IRS targeting scandal was brewing, Ms. Lerner asked an IRS IT specialist if the IRS saved texts? The response was music to Ms. Lerner’s ears. No, they are not automatically saved, was IT’s response. The IT person went on to say that saving them was possible, though, so be careful. “Perfect,” was Ms. Lerner’s reply...


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/06/us...ml?ref=us&_r=0

A Senate committee on Wednesday closed a two-year investigation with unanimous agreement that mismanagement at the Internal Revenue Service led it to improperly target conservative groups seeking tax-exempt status. But a report by the panel did not suggest that any laws were broken, and Republicans and Democrats were divided over whether White House politics was behind the problems...

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...There is no data because Chairman Grand-Thief-Auto Darrell Issa instructed the IRS Inspector General to ONLY collect such data on the bagger groups...

-No, this was the reason:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/05/us...pagewanted=all

Mr. George’s staff said he reviewed all the applications that the I.R.S. identified as potentially involving political groups, not just those from Tea Party groups. But the inspector concluded that only conservative groups got the extra scrutiny.
“When you serve in this capacity, you have to make determinations that, on occasions, upset people,” Mr. George said in a statement. “This obviously is one of those occasions.”

Why? Because:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy

...During the period in which the applications were being scrutinized, the Cincinnati office of the IRS violated policy by releasing nine confidential pending applications from conservative groups to ProPublica, an investigative reporting organization. ProPublica had made a records request to the office seeking only completed applications, which are public information.

On June 24, 2014 the IRS admitted wrongdoing in the case and paid the organization $50,000 in actual damages...

...as I've already shown, Rightie groups were unreasonably DELAYED while Leftie groups were not, and that Rightie groups had their data illegally given to political opponents while Leftie groups did not. Sheesh.

Hmmm:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy

...In a USA Today opinion column, James S. Robbins wrote, "For a scandal that is frequently derided as 'fake,' it is amazing how often real evidence disappears. The disappearing act is so frequent, it is reasonable to wonder whether it is really a systematic attempt to destroy evidence of abuse of power."







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typical amygdala-dominated ploy - cherry picking

Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
-No, this was the reason:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/05/us...pagewanted=all

Mr. George’s staff said he reviewed all the applications that the I.R.S. identified as potentially involving political groups, not just those from Tea Party groups. But the inspector concluded that only conservative groups got the extra scrutiny.
“When you serve in this capacity, you have to make determinations that, on occasions, upset people,” Mr. George said in a statement. “This obviously is one of those occasions.”
Here's the full article you cherry-picked -

I.R.S. Scrutiny Went Beyond the Political

WASHINGTON — In 2010, a tiny Palestinian-rights group called Minnesota Break the Bonds applied to the Internal Revenue Service for tax-exempt status. Two years and a lot of prodding later, the I.R.S. sent the group’s leaders a series of questions and requests almost identical to the ones it was sending to Tea Party groups at the time.

What are “the qualifications and experience” of Break the Bonds instructors? Does the group “present a sufficiently full and fair explanation of the relevant facts” about the West Bank and Gaza? Provide copies of pamphlets, brochures or other literature distributed at group events? Reveal all fees collected and “any voluntary contributions” made at group functions? Provide a template of petitions, postcards and any other material used to influence legislation, and a detailed accounting of the time and money spent to influence state legislators?

The controversy that erupted in May has focused on an ideological question: Were conservative groups singled out for special treatment based on their politics, or did the I.R.S. equally target liberal groups? But a closer look at the I.R.S. operation suggests that the problem was less about ideology and more about how a process instructing reviewers to “be on the lookout” for selected terms was applied to any group that mentioned certain words in its application.

Organizations approached by The New York Times based on specific “lookout list” warnings, like advocates for people in “occupied territories” and “open source software developers,” told similar stories of long waits, intrusive inquiries and bureaucratic hassles that pointed to no particular bias but rather to a process that became too rigid and too broad. The lists often did point to legitimate issues: partisan political campaign organizations seeking tax-exempt status, or commercial businesses hoping to cloak themselves as nonprofit groups. But even I.R.S. officials say lookout list warnings were often pursued in a ham-handed or overly rigid way.

Last month, the acting I.R.S. commissioner, Daniel I. Werfel, formally ordered an end to such lists after discovering that they were still in use after the controversy flared up.

Sylvia Schwarz, a co-director of the Break the Bonds group, shrugged at the treatment meted out by the I.R.S. She was used to rough scrutiny in a country that tilts against the Palestinians, she said. But the same questions, asked of conservative organizations, led to the dismissals of top I.R.S. officials, prompting criminal and Congressional investigations, scarring the reputation of the nation’s tax collection agency and eliciting charges that the White House had used the agency to pursue its political opponents.

Two months of investigation by Congress and the I.R.S. has produced new documents that have clouded much of the controversy’s narrative. In the more complicated picture now emerging, many organizations other than conservative groups were singled out: “progressive” organizations, medical marijuana purveyors, organizations formed to carry out President Obama’s health care law, and open source software developers who create software tools for computer code writers and distribute them free of charge.

“As soon as you say the words ‘open source,’ like other organizations that use ‘Tea Party’ or ‘Occupy,’ it gets you red-flagged,” said Luis Villa, a lawyer and a member of the board of directors of the Open Source Initiative. The I.R.S. feared that such groups were really moneymaking enterprises.

According to the Treasury inspector general for tax administration, the I.R.S. received 199,689 applications for tax-exempt status between 2010 and 2012. In 2012 alone, the agency received 73,319, of which about 22,000 were not approved in the initial review process. The inspector general looked at 296 applications flagged as potentially being from political groups. That means most of the applications pulled aside for further scrutiny in those years had nothing to do with politics, conservative or liberal, just as most of the red flags thrown up by the I.R.S.’s lookout lists were not overtly political.

Chi Eta Phi Sorority, a mainly African-American nurses’ society that advertises its mission as “social change,” applied for 501(c)(3) charitable status on June 24, 2011, days before the I.R.S. tightened its scrutiny of tax exemption applications. The organization fell under a “group rulings” flag in one of the lookout lists. Two years and 73 questions later, Chi Eta Phi is still waiting for the I.R.S.’s Cincinnati office, which handles the tax exemption applications, to respond.

Among the requests for more information: Describe in detail any legislative activities, with percentage of time and money devoted. Explain the following programs: sisterhood/brotherhood, networking, collaboration with other organizations, loving and caring, and commitment and service.

As for “occupied territory” advocacy groups like Ms. Schwarz’s, an I.R.S. “be on the lookout” list warned screeners that “applications may be inflammatory, advocate a one-sided point of view, and promotional materials may signify propaganda.”

Some Congressional Democrats say the new details show that the initial reaction to the I.R.S. findings was skewed.

“We replaced the leadership of the I.R.S. over this. We have subpoenas out. We are deposing employees. And we have damaged the president,” said Representative Gerald E. Connolly, Democrat of Virginia and a member of the House committee that initiated the I.R.S. inquiry. “It turns out this has been a gross distortion of reality.”

Even with the narrative muddied, most Republicans see no reason to back off. The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee last week voted along party lines that an I.R.S. official, Lois Lerner, had waived her Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination by offering a brief statement as she invoked the amendment when she appeared before the committee in May. The vote paves the way for the committee to bring Ms. Lerner back for more questioning.

Republican investigators say conservative groups singled out by the I.R.S. have received far rougher treatment than liberal groups.

Yet some Republicans have tempered their statements on the controversy.

“We haven’t proved political motivation,” said Representative Charles Boustany Jr., a Louisiana Republican who, as the chairman of the House Ways and Means Subcommittee on Oversight, is leading one inquiry.

Senator Roy Blunt, Republican of Missouri, said that in retrospect, suggestions that Mr. Obama had orchestrated an I.R.S. attack on his political enemies were unwarranted.


“Presidents have always been very careful about maintaining the appearance of keeping hands off the I.R.S.,” he said. “I don’t have any reason to believe there wasn’t targeting of conservatives, but it might well have been a lot more than that as well.”

Groups that produce and disseminate open source software — which is distributed at no cost to anyone for further software development — may have had it the roughest. A recent I.R.S. “be on the lookout” list warned screeners that such software groups “are usually the for-profit business or for-profit support technicians of the software.”

“If you see a case, elevate it to your manager,” the list orders.

That entreaty has proved to be the kiss of death, said Mr. Villa, of the Open Source Initiative. One group seeking a tax exemption was making software as a tool for political dissent abroad — with the blessing of the United States government. Another was making software, free, for struggling musicians seeking to distribute their work on the Internet. They were both rejected, unlike most of the political groups, which have secured their tax exemptions.

“None of the groups have been able to find the magic words to get over the hurdle,” Mr. Villa said.

Jesse von Doom, whose group CASH Music seeks to help musicians on the Internet, applied for 501(c)(3) status in February 2009. Finally, in June 2012, his application was rejected in a 13-page letter signed by Ms. Lerner, the I.R.S.’s director of tax-exempt organizations, who has been put on administrative leave.

Democrats are now aiming their anger at J. Russell George, the Treasury inspector general for tax administration, whose audit in May helped make the controversy public. That audit focused on the targeting of groups that had “Tea Party,” “patriot” or “9/12” in their names.

Democrats say that they examined the 298 applications reviewed by the inspector general, and that some of them were from liberal groups. But Mr. George’s audit did not mention them.

Mr. George’s staff said he reviewed all the applications that the I.R.S. identified as potentially involving political groups, not just those from Tea Party groups. But the inspector concluded that only conservative groups got the extra scrutiny.

“When you serve in this capacity, you have to make determinations that, on occasions, upset people,” Mr. George said in a statement. “This obviously is one of those occasions.”
Here's an article where 95% of it aims to tell readers how idiotic the charge that the IRS reviews were biased against conservatives, and adds at the very end the sheepish plea from Mr. George that, well, he occasionally upsets people. Those with fully-functioning brains and familiarity with news stories would conclude that the ending was a well-establish technique of subtitling indicating, let's just say, the 'wrongness' of someone. But of course, Glick is not qualified to make that determination (see amygdala-dominated 'thinking').

I put that last piece in red to both signify the cherry pick and the color of someone blushing from shame - someone who is amygdala-dominated, like Glick, isn't capable of experience shame even when it is obviously called for. It may be time for him to disappear once again, but I do thank him for such an obvious example of his bred - the question remaining of which are they unethical, just stupid or both?
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Here's the full article you cherry-picked...
-Not chery picked. It points out pretty well that Lerner's technique was to keep Rightie groupos hanging as a delaying tactic while the IRS gave out confidetial info' to their opponents.

Or maybe Playdude missed that part. Here it is again:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/05/us...pagewanted=all

Mr. George’s staff said he reviewed all the applications that the I.R.S. identified as potentially involving political groups, not just those from Tea Party groups. But the inspector concluded that only conservative groups got the extra scrutiny.
“When you serve in this capacity, you have to make determinations that, on occasions, upset people,” Mr. George said in a statement. “This obviously is one of those occasions.”

Why? Because:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy

...During the period in which the applications were being scrutinized, the Cincinnati office of the IRS violated policy by releasing nine confidential pending applications from conservative groups to ProPublica, an investigative reporting organization. ProPublica had made a records request to the office seeking only completed applications, which are public information.

On June 24, 2014 the IRS admitted wrongdoing in the case and paid the organization $50,000 in actual damages...

...still wondering when Lois Lerner is going to stop hiding behind the 5th. It'll probably be a long wait.







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Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
-Not chery picked. It points out pretty well that Lerner's technique was to keep Rightie groupos hanging as a delaying tactic while the IRS gave out confidetial info' to their opponents.

Or maybe Playdude missed that part. Here it is again:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/05/us...pagewanted=all

Mr. George’s staff said he reviewed all the applications that the I.R.S. identified as potentially involving political groups, not just those from Tea Party groups. But the inspector concluded that only conservative groups got the extra scrutiny.
“When you serve in this capacity, you have to make determinations that, on occasions, upset people,” Mr. George said in a statement. “This obviously is one of those occasions.”
I just showed how you cherry picked a paragraph that comes at the end of a long piece that completely discredits that paragraph, but yet you post it again thinking somehow doing so changes how wrong you are.

This is referred to as "derp" - you're a master of it.

derp

One who, in an argument, takes a position, and when that position is destroyed by evidence and well-reasoned argument, acts as if the reasoned argument never happened, instead sticking to his original position while resorting to logical fallacies such as bad math, unwarranted assumptions, appeals to emotion, wishful thinking, false and deliberately misleading data and analysis, or ad-hominem attacks on his opponents. One who argues in bad faith.

Paul Ryan is a derp.

Glick is derp.
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Post#316 at 08-20-2015 11:53 AM by JDG 66 [at joined Aug 2010 #posts 2,116]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
I just showed how you cherry picked a paragraph that comes at the end of a long piece that completely discredits that paragraph, but yet you post it again thinking somehow doing so changes how wrong you are...
-Rubbish.

That final statement blows PW's "But, but, Leftie groups were checked to, too" meme out of the water. Leftie groups (except for one group that was obviously nothing but political) got the kid gloves treatment, while Rightie groups got held over indefinitely and had their private info' handed over to political opponents. Can Playdude read? Fortunately, anyone else who checks this link:

Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy

...During the period in which the applications were being scrutinized, the Cincinnati office of the IRS violated policy by releasing nine confidential pending applications from conservative groups to ProPublica, an investigative reporting organization. ProPublica had made a records request to the office seeking only completed applications, which are public information.

On June 24, 2014 the IRS admitted wrongdoing in the case and paid the organization $50,000 in actual damages...


...out can figure it out themsleves without PW's nonsense.

Sheesh.

So, still waiting to find out when Lois Lerner stops hiding behind the 5th.







Post#317 at 08-23-2015 10:49 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,451]
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Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
-Rubbish.

That final statement blows PW's "But, but, Leftie groups were checked to, too" meme out of the water. Leftie groups (except for one group that was obviously nothing but political) got the kid gloves treatment, while Rightie groups got held over indefinitely and had their private info' handed over to political opponents. Can Playdude read? Fortunately, anyone else who checks this link:

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...out can figure it out themsleves without PW's nonsense.

Sheesh.

So, still waiting to find out when Lois Lerner stops hiding behind the 5th.
Even you recognize that the entire article dispels any notion that only the baggers were singled out and that the last couple sentence you point to actually reveal how ridiculous the IG was in the tank for Issa.

Why else would you try to change the subject?

Oh, I forgot, that's a derp move, and you are derp.

derp

One who, in an argument, takes a position, and when that position is destroyed by evidence and well-reasoned argument, acts as if the reasoned argument never happened, instead sticking to his original position while resorting to logical fallacies such as bad math, unwarranted assumptions, appeals to emotion, wishful thinking, false and deliberately misleading data and analysis, or ad-hominem attacks on his opponents. One who argues in bad faith
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Post#318 at 09-01-2015 11:28 AM by JDG 66 [at joined Aug 2010 #posts 2,116]
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015.../?intcmp=hpbt1
The IRS admitted to a federal court there was a second personal email account that Lois Lerner, the official at the heart of the Tea Party targeting scandal, used to conduct agency business.

The email account apparently was set up under the name, "Toby Miles," which sources tell Fox News is the name of Lerner's dog...

Nothing to hide...

Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Even you recognize that the entire article dispels any notion that only the baggers were singled out.....


-It clearly states that Rightie groups were the only ones that were harrassed, i.e., had their information leaked or were unneccesarily delayed. For example:

Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy

...During the period in which the applications were being scrutinized, the Cincinnati office of the IRS violated policy by releasing nine confidential pending applications from conservative groups to ProPublica, an investigative reporting organization. ProPublica had made a records request to the office seeking only completed applications, which are public information.

On June 24, 2014 the IRS admitted wrongdoing in the case and paid the organization $50,000 in actual damages...


Can Playwrite point to any Leftie group that was abused like that? Or does he think the IRS itself is in the tank for Issa?

Louis Lerner had a very different way of dealing with others:

Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...-hold/2159983/

...In the 27 months that the Internal Revenue Service put a hold on all Tea Party applications for non-profit status, it approved applications from similar liberal groups, a USA TODAY review of IRS data shows...

...meanwhile, the IRS let "progressive" groups slide by, including one very special one:

http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/14/ir...thers-charity/

Lois Lerner, the senior IRS official at the center of the decision to target tea party groups for burdensome tax scrutiny, signed paperwork granting tax-exempt status to the Barack H. Obama Foundation, a shady charity headed by the president’s half-brother that operated illegally for years...

...The National Legal and Policy Center filed an official complaint with the IRS in May 2011 asking why the foundation was being allowed to solicit tax-deductible contributions when it had not even applied for an IRS determination... Nevertheless, a month later, the Barack H. Obama Foundation had flown through the grueling application process. Lerner granted the organization a 501(c) determination and even gave it a retroactive tax exemption dating back to December 2008....
...IOW, proggies got off easy, righties got a colonoscopy. No real way around that inconvenient truth.







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Derp = Moron

Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
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-It clearly states that Rightie groups were the only ones that were harrassed, i.e., had their information leaked or were unneccesarily delayed. For example:

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Can Playwrite point to any Leftie group that was abused like that? Or does he think the IRS itself is in the tank for Issa?
What a moron. From your own link you provided -

An affiliate of the liberal group Emerge America had its request for tax-exempt status denied, leading to a review (and the eventual revocation) of the larger Emerge America organization's tax-exempt status.[50]

The only thing to see here, folks, is how derps are at their very essence, morons.
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
What a moron. From your own link you provided...
-Playdude obviously missed out on the fact that they were denied because they were a purely partisan organization, nothing more, nothing less.

Unlike Rightie groups, their process was not drawn out unnecessarily, nor was their private information given to political opponents, like here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy

...During the period in which the applications were being scrutinized, the Cincinnati office of the IRS violated policy by releasing nine confidential pending applications from conservative groups to ProPublica, an investigative reporting organization. ProPublica had made a records request to the office seeking only completed applications, which are public information.

On June 24, 2014 the IRS admitted wrongdoing in the case and paid the organization $50,000 in actual damages...


...and he calls others "morons."







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Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
-Playdude obviously missed out on the fact that they were denied because they were a purely partisan organization, nothing more, nothing less.
The baggers are a-political?????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG, you are way beyond any hope.

Forget about adapting.

First, we need to remove you as a political force. Then we need to ship you all off to Greenland.

Only a matter of time.
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
The baggers are a-political?????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
-The education they provide is i.e., things like the US Constitution. Or is that now considered a hate document! The Leftie group just said "VOTE DONKEY!"

...and Lerner's people didn't release their private info' to opponents, did they? The IRS didn't keep them hanging, did they?

NEXT!







Post#323 at 09-01-2015 01:29 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,451]
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Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
-The education they provide is i.e., things like the US Constitution. Or is that now considered a hate document! The Leftie group just said "VOTE DONKEY!"

...and Lerner's people didn't release their private info' to opponents, did they? The IRS didn't keep them hanging, did they?

NEXT!
Poor babies had to wait for their exemption from taxes that the rest of us have to pay. I feel so bad for them.
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Poor babies had to wait for their exemption from taxes that the rest of us have to pay. I feel so bad for them.
-That Leftie group was not entitled. They were, but they did not get the treatment that other groups got:

Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
...meanwhile, the IRS let "progressive" groups slide by, including one very special one:

http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/14/ir...thers-charity/

Lois Lerner, the senior IRS official at the center of the decision to target tea party groups for burdensome tax scrutiny, signed paperwork granting tax-exempt status to the Barack H. Obama Foundation, a shady charity headed by the president’s half-brother that operated illegally for years...

...The National Legal and Policy Center filed an official complaint with the IRS in May 2011 asking why the foundation was being allowed to solicit tax-deductible contributions when it had not even applied for an IRS determination... Nevertheless, a month later, the Barack H. Obama Foundation had flown through the grueling application process. Lerner granted the organization a 501(c) determination and even gave it a retroactive tax exemption dating back to December 2008...

...
...they did also not deserve to have their info' leaked to opponents:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy

...During the period in which the applications were being scrutinized, the Cincinnati office of the IRS violated policy by releasing nine confidential pending applications from conservative groups to ProPublica, an investigative reporting organization. ProPublica had made a records request to the office seeking only completed applications, which are public information.

On June 24, 2014 the IRS admitted wrongdoing in the case and paid the organization $50,000 in actual damages...

Playdud's sudden concern for the US taxpayer should note that the IRS's crooked dealings cost us $50K.

NEXT!







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Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
-That Leftie group was not entitled. They were, but they did not get the treatment that other groups got:



...they did also not deserve to have their info' leaked to opponents:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy

...During the period in which the applications were being scrutinized, the Cincinnati office of the IRS violated policy by releasing nine confidential pending applications from conservative groups to ProPublica, an investigative reporting organization. ProPublica had made a records request to the office seeking only completed applications, which are public information.

On June 24, 2014 the IRS admitted wrongdoing in the case and paid the organization $50,000 in actual damages...

Playdud's sudden concern for the US taxpayer should note that the IRS's crooked dealings cost us $50K.

NEXT!
Out of literally tens of millions of tax decisions the IRS makes every year, you want us to feel bad for a single bagger organization that got a $50K judgement??

Okay, here's your boo-hoo - Boo-hoo, I feel so bad.

Now your turn, how about that Iraqi invasion that killed hundreds of thousands and more to come based on either sheer stupidity or outright lies?

I'm waiting, hypocrite, but I won't hold my breath.
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