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Thread: Conservatism contra populism; or, what hope is there for an anti-anti-elitist Right? - Page 3







Post#51 at 01-18-2014 12:34 AM by XYMOX_4AD_84 [at joined Nov 2012 #posts 3,073]
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Quote Originally Posted by Cynic Hero '86 View Post
Only restorationism is capable of establishing positive values and ideological consistency and clarity in our nation. In earlier posts i've outlined how a new elite and a new and more equitable society could be created in america. This meritocratic elite would be based on various tech endevours and various holdings accumulated by meritorious service, especially by military service. Children would be taught from early childhood in various technical and practical skills; they would also have survival skills training and military training. With regards to foreign policy the security of america would be ensured by the vassalization of latin america and then the general pacification of the middle east and north africa. In the latter regions, military administrative governorships would be created and settlement zones and settlement cities built to administer these areas although construction of these proposed cities would be carried out by arab muslim labor. The combination of these endevours would create a new civil-military caste similar to the roman empire or the imperial bureaucratic-military caste that ruled china and was in its prime from the shang through ming dynasties. Although ours will be steeped in the best of the american worldview. A religious revolution would occur too, the state will cultivate relations with the church (mostly securing influence with the papacy) with the restorationist american leadership assuming explicitly both political and religious seniority within the western world. The economy would be reformed around communal-entrepreneural lines in which entepreneural leaders would accumulate wealth which would then be given to the state and distributed to the populace, although the current corporate elite would largely be purged and their assets divided among the rising classes and new entrepreneurs. The overall effect of these policies would ultimately lead to the creation and cultivation of an entirely new kind of human.
There are some Carolingian aspects to this. Realistically, we probably need to hit rock bottom for anyone to be amenable to something like this.







Post#52 at 01-18-2014 04:47 AM by '58 Flat [at Hardhat From Central Jersey joined Jul 2001 #posts 3,300]
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The term "conservative" in a political context is derived from Le Conservateur, the name of a late-18th-Century French newspaper that opposed the French Revolution.

None of you here actually knew this?
But maybe if the putative Robin Hoods stopped trying to take from law-abiding citizens and give to criminals, take from men and give to women, take from believers and give to anti-believers, take from citizens and give to "undocumented" immigrants, and take from heterosexuals and give to homosexuals, they might have a lot more success in taking from the rich and giving to everyone else.

Don't blame me - I'm a Baby Buster!







Post#53 at 01-18-2014 10:31 AM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Quote Originally Posted by '58 Flat View Post
The term "conservative" in a political context is derived from Le Conservateur, the name of a late-18th-Century French newspaper that opposed the French Revolution.

None of you here actually knew this?
H-m-m-m. From Merriam-Webster: First Known Use of CONSERVATIVE

14th century
Marx: Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Lennon: You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die.
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