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Post#1 at 07-25-2014 01:32 AM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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ISIS Leader Threatens Obama: 'We're Coming for You'

With the caveat that I do not fully trust Newsmax:

ISIS Leader Threatens Obama: 'We're Coming for You'

Thursday, 24 Jul 2014 04:33 PM

By Andrea Billups


The radical Islamist group terrorizing Iraq and ousting Christians there has threatened President Barack Obama, U.S. sources revealed.

"We're coming for you, Barack Obama," the group threatened, according to Elissa Slotkin, acting principal deputy undersecretary of defense for policy, in a story published by The Hill.

The group's insurgence inside the country has drawn the attention of U.S. officials who have called it "worse than al-Qaida."

"It is al-Qaida in its doctrine, ambition and, increasingly, in its threat to U.S. interests," Brett McGurk, a deputy assistant secretary of state, said in testimony during a House Foreign Affairs Committee hearing Wednesday.

McGurk was blunt in outlining the group's intent, calling it "no longer a terrorist organization. It is a full-blown army," the Hill reported.

Former Homeland Security head Tom Ridge also signaled the strength of the group and its capacity to create terror, adding that ISIS's threats had been on the intelligence community's radar for a long time with the ability to enter the United States unnoticed.

"They’ve got a lot of fighters who are from European countries that are visa waiver countries, which means all they have to do is shave their beards and look like normal, responsible civilians and walk into the United States of America without a visa," Ridge said. "It’s a real challenge for our intelligence community to identify them and get their names on a watch list."

Known as ISIL or ISIS, short for the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, the group has powered throughout Iraq in recent weeks, commandeering the police force and entering homes where residents have gone missing at the hands of marauding posses. Whole towns are under siege by ISIS forces, and the group has suggested it will overtake Baghdad, a threat that led Obama to deploy about 750 troops to the war-torn nation, The Washington Times reported.

Christians are under particular assault by the Sunni terrorists, being told to convert or die, Al Jazeera reported. They have also been pressured to pay a tax, and those who have fled have been robbed at checkpoints by insurgents.

"There is not a single Christian family left in Mosul," Bashar Nasih Behnam, 52, told The Guardian.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/ISI.../24/id/584748/

The Obama MO for dealing with those that he wants dead is to act quietly and strike before the bad guy knows what is happening.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


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Post#2 at 09-30-2014 12:27 PM by XYMOX_4AD_84 [at joined Nov 2012 #posts 3,073]
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Quote Originally Posted by pbrower2a View Post
With the caveat that I do not fully trust Newsmax:



http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/ISI.../24/id/584748/

The Obama MO for dealing with those that he wants dead is to act quietly and strike before the bad guy knows what is happening.
I'm convinced that some of the American ISIS TRAITORS who've returned are now springing into action. Those actions can include not only direct action but also, use of networks of homegrown terrorists to do dirty deeds. Ask the people of Moore, OK about this. They have been hit. And there are more to come.

Here is my prescription. Meet fire with fire. I hear there are some excellent sword makers in various parts of the US. High quality stuff, fitting of any samurai.







Post#3 at 10-01-2014 07:56 PM by Cynic Hero '86 [at Upstate New York joined Jul 2006 #posts 1,285]
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Its possible that an outside force could be stirring the pot in the middle east cauldron. The Muslims seem to be perfect fall guys.







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But why would ISIS want to go after Obama?

You mean to tell me that they do not regard Obama as one of them; i.e., a Muslim?
But maybe if the putative Robin Hoods stopped trying to take from law-abiding citizens and give to criminals, take from men and give to women, take from believers and give to anti-believers, take from citizens and give to "undocumented" immigrants, and take from heterosexuals and give to homosexuals, they might have a lot more success in taking from the rich and giving to everyone else.

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Post#5 at 10-08-2014 10:50 PM by Kepi [at Northern, VA joined Nov 2012 #posts 3,664]
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I will ask the same question I ask every leader in this, the era of inept fantasy masquerading as something serious... You and what army?

And I expect to be as unimpressed as usual. You old guys really need to learn what a credible threat is.







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Quote Originally Posted by Kepi View Post
I will ask the same question I ask every leader in this, the era of inept fantasy masquerading as something serious... You and what army?

And I expect to be as unimpressed as usual. You old guys really need to learn what a credible threat is.
They are a threat along the lines of Al Qaida. So not them and some army. Just good old fashioned terrorists, at least, that is the footprint beyond their immediate area of operation. Ultimately an annoyance but quite a bloody annoyance.







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Call me when they can create a sizable that to something other than a symbolic target. I'm too busy watching actual Americans destroy their own nation through neglect.







Post#8 at 10-09-2014 08:28 AM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Quote Originally Posted by Kepi View Post
Call me when they can create a sizable that to something other than a symbolic target. I'm too busy watching actual Americans destroy their own nation through neglect.
It's hard to argue with that.
Marx: Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Lennon: You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die.







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Quote Originally Posted by XYMOX_4AD_84 View Post
They are a threat along the lines of Al Qaida.
No they aren't for the reasons I outlined at the Obama has swallowed the Koolaid thread.







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Quote Originally Posted by Kepi View Post
I'm too busy watching actual Americans destroy their own nation through neglect.
It's not so really neglect.

I can illustrate the problem with this riddle. You come to a fork in the road and you don't know which way to take to your destination. There are two guys in the car who told you they knew the way. One says go right--its the quickest path, while the other says no take the left, there's a washed bridge on the right. The first guy then says if you go left you'll never get there on time. Both produce maps supporting their directions.

You're the driver, you have an appointment you must make and you have two maps, two sets of directions that are completely different.

What would do you do?







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Tell both of those idiots to get out and walk for being back seat drivers, reboot my phone and let Google maps do it's job.







Post#12 at 10-09-2014 10:44 AM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Quote Originally Posted by Kepi View Post
Tell both of those idiots to get out and walk for being back seat drivers, reboot my phone and let Google maps do it's job.
You've applied a logical solution to an analogy, but your solution doesn't map back to the real problem. In the political world, the impediments are often invisible, and only defeat you by making your goals illusive. You may know what is needed but have no way to achieve it. There is also the fear factor.

Think of that as a choice between unachievable goals. If you're starving outside a closed supermarket guarded by viscous dogs, you can break-in, and possibly be maimed or killed, or you can stand out side and starve to death. That's a better match to the vitriol the politicians are peddling these days ... but it's still an analogy.
Marx: Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Lennon: You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die.







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Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post
You've applied a logical solution to an analogy, but your solution doesn't map back to the real problem. In the political world, the impediments are often invisible, and only defeat you by making your goals illusive. You may know what is needed but have no way to achieve it. There is also the fear factor.

Think of that as a choice between unachievable goals. If you're starving outside a closed supermarket guarded by viscous dogs, you can break-in, and possibly be maimed or killed, or you can stand out side and starve to death. That's a better match to the vitriol the politicians are peddling these days ... but it's still an analogy.
No, I was using the analogy. I usually wouldn't kick people out of my car over an argument over directions. But the people in this metaphor are insufferable people who will never be happy anyway. They have directions that they expect me to follow, and they're wasting my time arguing with each other instead of actually doing anything. At this point, I realize "hey, I'm the one doing all the work, and their stupidity had made me not really want to go where they want, either."

The solution is to kick out the useless bickering idealists, plot your own course, pick what you want to listen to on the radio, and not have the arguments of who gets to choose what album next or where we get to stop for lunch. The harsh but true reality is that the people with the map have been arguing over everything for so long that changes and developments that they have chosen to ignore call for updated instructions. The bridge has probably been rebuilt and destroyed 8 times since the argument started, and so updated instructions from new world technology are warranted, or at least driving until you find a gas station.

Leave the idiots behind, do something with contemporary information that's worth doing.







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Quote Originally Posted by Kepi View Post
Call me when they can create a sizable that to something other than a symbolic target. I'm too busy watching actual Americans destroy their own nation through neglect.
Well isn't that the MO of terrorism. Hit that which is symbolic and will get the media in a feeding frenzy.







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Quote Originally Posted by XYMOX_4AD_84 View Post
Well isn't that the MO of terrorism. Hit that which is symbolic and will get the media in a feeding frenzy.
Not in countries you are trying to affect change in. To middle eastern terrorists, we're a billboard. Nothing more or less. We're a recruiting tool. They don't actually care about who we are our what we do in our own borders.







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To combat the ongoing scourge of islamist terrorism and the potential far greater scourge of a renewed Russian expansion in conjunction with Iranian ambitions: Maybe Millie's must rise to the challenge and become Very different type of Civic generation than the GI's were. Maybe we must to fight these enemies and potential enemies Millie's must become more like the civics that proliferated in Europe between 1925 and the late 1940s and in East Asia between 1915 and 1953. Only then will our adversaries regain their respect for US power.
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What scourge? I'm sorry, but if you're on the Western Hemisphere, Middle Eastern born terror groups are not a threat to you. Wasting billions of dollars choosing them doesn't create respect because you always come out looking like the idiot who tries to shoot flies with a rifle.







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Quote Originally Posted by Kepi View Post
What scourge? I'm sorry, but if you're on the Western Hemisphere, Middle Eastern born terror groups are not a threat to you. Wasting billions of dollars choosing them doesn't create respect because you always come out looking like the idiot who tries to shoot flies with a rifle.
Did you forget 9-11?
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No, I remember it all to well. And you know what I remember most? Despite all the media nonsense, not one person I knew died. Even though I had family friends in the Pentagon at the time of the attack. And since then?

This doesn't look like much of a prolonged campaign against us.







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So how many people have you killed? Exactly. Your first world slaughter fantasy will remain that, now and forever.







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Quote Originally Posted by Kepi View Post
No, I remember it all to well. And you know what I remember most? Despite all the media nonsense, not one person I knew died. Even though I had family friends in the Pentagon at the time of the attack. And since then?

This doesn't look like much of a prolonged campaign against us.
But the fact that many people died is still important to remember, whether you or I knew them or not. This was an attack of terror. The goal should be to prevent acts of terror or at least keep them to the lowest possible number.







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Quote Originally Posted by radind View Post
But the fact that many people died is still important to remember, whether you or I knew them or not. This was an attack of terror. The goal should be to prevent acts of terror or at least keep them to the lowest possible number.
But that wasn't the intent of the attack. Osama Bin Laden himself said he thought he was only going to take out the top 5 floors of the WTC buildings. Now, if his goal was kill count, he would have aimed those planes at grid lock traffic on interstates right next to the buildings he paid to have attacked. So why not attack the interstates?

Because this attack wasn't motivated to change political attitudes in the US. They don't want to do anything with the west, they want political influence in the Middle East. They wanted to gain influence and recruits in the Middle East by attacking western symbols. 9/11 wasn't this declaration of war on the US by AQ, it was a recruitment video by AQ to draw in people with anti-western sentiment.

Now when you look at 9/11 from our perspective, we didn't respond with such fervor and intensity because a lot of people died. You didn't see a massive campaign to stamp out Christian Identity groups or Neo-Nazi groups after Oklahoma City. Why not? He killed a lot of people.

The reality is simple. We didn't really care about the people. We don't have the capacity to really humanize individuals on that level. If we did, we'd be losing our minds all the time. They attacked our symbols. That's what whipped the then Boomer masses into a psychotic tantrum. It had nothing to do with the people. It was a fight over symbols, over a visual.

The response was largely symbolic as well. We sacrificed billions of dollars and a whole lot of lives, and a lot of leg room in our civil liberties to do something that could have more effectively been managed by good law enforcement and/or a small, very surgical military strike. We did what didn't have to be done, at a deplorable cost, to appease a generation of adult children who want their public theater to be maintained at all costs.

This isn't about terrorism, or geo-political power, it's a post modern fight about image, symbols, and negotiating meaning on our side. The things that have to do with reality? They're tangential.







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Quote Originally Posted by Kepi View Post
So how many people have you killed? Exactly. Your first world slaughter fantasy will remain that, now and forever.
I read it, recognized it as an advocacy of genocidal war crimes, and reported it.

...No matter how badly a Crisis Era is going we must keep some moral compass. Cynic Hero calls for mass murder of Muslims and the destruction of mosques. Good Lord! ISIS is already doing that!

The victor without mercy wins but a hollow victory. The merciful winner wins the peace.
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Quote Originally Posted by Kepi View Post
But that wasn't the intent of the attack. Osama Bin Laden himself said he thought he was only going to take out the top 5 floors of the WTC buildings. Now, if his goal was kill count, he would have aimed those planes at grid lock traffic on interstates right next to the buildings he paid to have attacked. So why not attack the interstates?

Because this attack wasn't motivated to change political attitudes in the US. They don't want to do anything with the west, they want political influence in the Middle East. They wanted to gain influence and recruits in the Middle East by attacking western symbols. 9/11 wasn't this declaration of war on the US by AQ, it was a recruitment video by AQ to draw in people with anti-western sentiment.

Now when you look at 9/11 from our perspective, we didn't respond with such fervor and intensity because a lot of people died. You didn't see a massive campaign to stamp out Christian Identity groups or Neo-Nazi groups after Oklahoma City. Why not? He killed a lot of people.

The reality is simple. We didn't really care about the people. We don't have the capacity to really humanize individuals on that level. If we did, we'd be losing our minds all the time. They attacked our symbols. That's what whipped the then Boomer masses into a psychotic tantrum. It had nothing to do with the people. It was a fight over symbols, over a visual.

The response was largely symbolic as well. We sacrificed billions of dollars and a whole lot of lives, and a lot of leg room in our civil liberties to do something that could have more effectively been managed by good law enforcement and/or a small, very surgical military strike. We did what didn't have to be done, at a deplorable cost, to appease a generation of adult children who want their public theater to be maintained at all costs.

This isn't about terrorism, or geo-political power, it's a post modern fight about image, symbols, and negotiating meaning on our side. The things that have to do with reality? They're tangential.
Clearly we are in violent diasgreement.
i will end with note that people matter to me and all my friends.
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So then why hasn't collateral damage been a particularly important issue ever? Especially when we talk about Clinton era bombing campaigns which were pretty much all collateral damage, but also both Bush wars where more non-involved non - combatants died than 9-11? They weren't even under the Al Qaeda banner because there isn't one as Al Queda was never a country.

All indications really point to "we don't care about people in the abstract".
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