Originally Posted by Eric the Green

With millennials being civics, artistic and spiritual inspiration doesn't always come naturally. Millennials too often are texting on their smart phones. But, we'll see; may you be right!

Well with civics artistic and spiritual inspiration probably allows them to cope with 4T hardships. So it's a reaction to being disenfranchised by the "real world". "A dose of reality" leads them to creative pursuits, which is why civic geniuses often seem so 'old soul-like' whereas it's the opposite with prophets, since for them artistic and spiritual inspiration relates more to a rebellion against conformity. Every archetype I think has a slightly different relationship with art and culture. With Artists it's about wanting "to be heard". With Prophets it's about rebellion. With Nomads it's about curing boredom or about satisfying curiosity on an individual level and with civics it's about coping with "real world" hardships. But I suppose with Nomads it's also about wanting "to be heard" on some level, as well, but they're often too pragmatic to fight for that.
Civics generally aren't driven away from their artistic and intellectual pursuits by the "real world" whereas prophets often are.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

Yes, as I wrote above. Usually though I write about the 2020s as a time of political and social reform. It WILL be that, but the renaissance potential is also there especially early in the decade. It could be a good new beginning. Inspiration is certainly possible in these times (Neptune in Pisces; come on!)

Spearheaded by first wave millies, if they can shake off the materialism that I see so prevalent here among them. With the 1993 conjunction, it seems to me that the late core millies will be the ones to watch.

There were lots of Lost American geniuses, and most of them went to Europe to escape the "wasteland." That's what young people today are not doing; instead they wallow in it and its lousy music. Oh well; may we wake up!

Probably because we had the best times in our younger years. I think the best times of my life were when I was 5-11 and 15-21 (excluding age 16 for personal reasons). I miss the endless vacations, the constant trips to the mall, the places I went, all the fun I had. It was much easier to get discount flights back then among other things.

Originally Posted by decadeologist1011

Probably because we had the best times in our younger years. I think the best times of my life were when I was 5-11 and 15-21 (excluding age 16 for personal reasons). I miss the endless vacations, the constant trips to the mall, the places I went, all the fun I had. It was much easier to get discount flights back then among other things.

You have to take more circuitous air routes if you want to travel on a budget these days. But I've never shared the view that it's all just one big Illuminati conspiracy, since those anti-Illuminati diatribes always reeked of sour grapes regardless of whether they came from the left or the right.

Maybe the flights in and out of the US are most expensive though, because flights within Europe are still relatively cheap, and the same goes for flights from Western Europe to the near east. You can easily find a round trip plane ticket between Paris and Morocco for about a hundred bucks. Okay, maybe not a hundred, but certainly for under $200.

Originally Posted by Remy Renault

I actually see the next 1T resulting in a wave of Ludditism, since many Millies feel resentful that the "digital world" was forced upon them by Jonesers and Xers. The "21st century" was not a Millie creation. It stemmed more from Xer and Joneser pragmatism. Millies didn't have much of a choice in the matter. Millies are the ones spearheading the rebirth of vinyl. That's just an example of course to reinforce a larger point. There's much nostalgia for the past among us "Capricorn Neptunes". ;-)

Good observations. It was we Xers who kicked off things like YouTube, Zynga, Web 2.0, etc, etc. We started EDM, raves, VR, etc. This whole "new world" that pop culture associates with the Millies was certainly not built by the Millies. It was built by us. That said I can't wait for the Millies to tweak / undo / hack / reverse what's been done. It will be a beautiful thing.

Originally Posted by XYMOX_4AD_84

Good observations. It was we Xers who kicked off things like YouTube, Zynga, Web 2.0, etc, etc. We started EDM, raves, VR, etc. This whole "new world" that pop culture associates with the Millies was certainly not built by the Millies. It was built by us. That said I can't wait for the Millies to tweak / undo / hack / reverse what's been done. It will be a beautiful thing.

Speaking as a Millie, I have mixed feelings. I like YouTube and Web 2.0. I love my Galaxy 4. I use all of these to escape the bleak reality that is now. Besides, how else do you find old things to be nostalgic about? However, I hate that nobody interacts with one another anymore and the side effects of the technology boom. What I really want is balance.

Originally Posted by Remy Renault

You have to take more circuitous air routes if you want to travel on a budget these days. But I've never shared the view that it's all just one big Illuminati conspiracy, since those anti-Illuminati diatribes always reeked of sour grapes regardless of whether they came from the left or the right.

Maybe the flights in and out of the US are most expensive though, because flights within Europe are still relatively cheap, and the same goes for flights from Western Europe to the near east. You can easily find a round trip plane ticket between Paris and Morocco for about a hundred bucks. Okay, maybe not a hundred, but certainly for under $200.

I remember back in the 00s it was easy to get flights around $99 to get to places like Orlando. It seems those days are past us for a long time. Flights out of the US were always expensive and often reaching several thousand per person.

Originally Posted by decadeologist1011

I remember back in the 00s it was easy to get flights around $99 to get to places like Orlando. It seems those days are past us for a long time. Flights out of the US were always expensive and often reaching several thousand per person.

SEVERAL thousand? I don't know. Maybe if you were flying first or business class. Perhaps a coach ticket in high season or reserved at the last minute could reach $2500 or so these days if you're traveling on an intercontinental flight, but not much more than that. But anything under $1000 round trip in coach is regarded as inexpensive for international travel I think, meaning for intercontinental flights that are at least 6-7 hours long. A round trip ticket between say London or Paris and Cairo would still be quite a bit less than that.

Originally Posted by Remy Renault

What qualifies as "less inspiring" music taste to you? Just remember, simply because you don't "care for" something doesn't make it bad. Personal 'likes' and 'dislikes' is not the wisest way of gauging inherent artistic merit. This is something Boomers in general often fall prey to. Their notions of 'genius' correspond exclusively to their personal 'likes'. Many people, understandably, probably won't care for King Crimson just as Ornette Coleman won't appeal to everyone. Do I 'like' Francis Bacon's or Jackson Pollock's paintings? No, not particularly, but I can accept their importance nonetheless. Only Boomers who actively "like" their work will accept them.

I proudly fall prey to it

I am the only person who can decide what inspiring music is, or bad music is, based on my own experience. I know, people disagree. You can only experience for yourself. It's more than just liking though; it's getting into it. But I've been over this before. Generally-speaking, young Americans today don't respond to "inspiring" music too well, and prefer trashy stuff, in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Remy Renault

So Eric, Mr. Astrology, what's you take on sun, moon, and rising signs, and how they affect genius? Are those pretty much irrelevant? Also, I'd be careful about freely using the terms 'genius' and 'iconoclast' interchangeably. Not all geniuses are "iconoclasts". The 1880s cohorts may have certainly been "trendier" than the geniuses emanating from the GI generation whether in the US and Europe, but that's about all it tells us.

No, I just think that's a trait of those brilliant writers and artists and other folk from that circa 1900 cohort.

Planetary aspects* are most relevant to genius, especially aspects to and among those outer 3 planets. Certain signs have abilities in certain fields, probably somewhat more than the other signs. Air and mutable signs are good at composing music, for example. That would mostly be the Sun, Moon and rising sign, but others too.

*an aspect is an angle between planets, like a conjunction (alignment), opposition (also an alignment, with earth between the planets), square (like a 1st quarter moon), trine (1/3 of the zodiac) etc.

Originally Posted by Remy Renault

Well with civics artistic and spiritual inspiration probably allows them to cope with 4T hardships. So it's a reaction to being disenfranchised by the "real world". "A dose of reality" leads them to creative pursuits, which is why civic geniuses often seem so 'old soul-like' whereas it's the opposite with prophets, since for them artistic and spiritual inspiration relates more to a rebellion against conformity. Every archetype I think has a slightly different relationship with art and culture. With Artists it's about wanting "to be heard". With Prophets it's about rebellion. With Nomads it's about curing boredom or about satisfying curiosity on an individual level and with civics it's about coping with "real world" hardships. But I suppose with Nomads it's also about wanting "to be heard" on some level, as well, but they're often too pragmatic to fight for that.
Civics generally aren't driven away from their artistic and intellectual pursuits by the "real world" whereas prophets often are.

That's an interesting take, although I probably don't buy it myself. Prophets IMO are more likely to be "old souls," since they relate to spirituality more. I think that's the primary prophet interest, not rebellion against conformity. We have more to offer than just that. Prophets see a society that is spiritually dead, and bring more life into it. But of course that's a grossly-exaggerated generalization, not to be taken too seriously.

I don't think "coping" makes the best and most-inspired art, as I experience it. But it could be that the "real world" disappoints some prophets, and therefore they don't stick with their inspiration when things get tough later on and don't live up to their hopes. That seems a valid proposition. Civics experience hard times in youth (although not in childhood as decadeologist points out), but their projectory is that things get better as their life goes along. But many civics are not artistically inclined because they are science and tech oriented, and because they are too involved with other people and oriented to what is useful to society. That's not an artistic attitude. But, there are great civic-gen artists anyway, perhaps because they do have a good work ethic and can endure hard times, and do learn from others in group expressions. But most civics respond to being disenfranchised by becoming politically active and organized, although in a congenial way rather than protesting like prophets do.

"Artists" are probably the most "artistic" archetype. They are the most sensitive. And, no matter which archetype is being born, if a conjunction or trine between Uranus and Neptune is happening (and to a lesser extent some aspect to Pluto from them, or other Uranus-Neptune aspects), you're going to have some artistic geniuses and other geniuses come into the world. And the closer the aspect, the more likely. In your own personal chart, you look for aspects to those 3 planets especially, or if they are rising, etc. And you look to what an individual does with his or her talents! The fault, dear Brutus, is in ourselves, not in our stars (and folks in Shakespeare's time took astrology for granted). And that applies to "our archetype" too.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

I proudly fall prey to it

I am the only person who can decide what inspiring music is, or bad music is, based on my own experience. I know, people disagree. You can only experience for yourself. It's more than just liking though; it's getting into it. But I've been over this before. Generally-speaking, young Americans today don't respond to "inspiring" music too well, and prefer trashy stuff, in my opinion.

I'd still like to know what you consider "inspiring" music and what issues you take with Chas' tastes.

Also, my response to all your astrological analyses and how it relates to genius is that correlation does not imply causation. Had James Joyce been born fifteen years earlier or later, he probably wouldn't have been "James Joyce", not due to any absence of astrologically placements beneficial to genius or iconoclasm but rather because of the "times" themselves. All I'm asking is you stop for a second and examine the physical realm free of spirituality and transcendentalism, not permanently per se, but only for a few seconds if that's at all possible. Mind you, I find astrology compelling, but nobody's immune to "real world" circumstances, regardless of their natal chart. There are geniuses with natal charts favorable to genius, but I'm sure there are also geniuses whose natal charts are not. It's all just correlation, nothing more.

Originally Posted by Remy Renault

Eh, maybe, but not every saeculum plays out the same way, even if I agree on the presence of cycles to a certain degree. The 'times' aren't the same in every 4T just as they aren't always the same in every 2T or even 1T, so it won't always necessarily be the same archetypes leading the way artistically and culturally in every saeculum. Just an example, plenty of "Lost" geniuses blossomed artistically "on time", but one can't say the same for Gen X. Likewise, the 1880s generation was made up of Nomad/Prophet cuspers, but where is Generation Jones' response to James Joyce?

In terms of artistic expression, is there any longer term cycle which brings a given archetype to the fore?

Originally Posted by Remy Renault

I'd still like to know what you consider "inspiring" music

First, let me ask you, are there such things as geniuses? Are some literary works and movies better than others? Is one as good as another? Certainly the same applies to music. There are differences between peoples' interests, desires and knowledge, but there's also a difference in the level of inspiration and craftsmanship that goes into a piece of music. I know a lot about music, and I can always learn more.

By "inspiring" music I mean (more or less, as an attempt to describe) some musical element (melody, sound, etc.) that comes to one in a "eureka moment" (yes, I think those are real) of discovery, and which takes you higher or deeper than you normally feel.

and what issues you take with Chas' tastes.

Nah, I don't want to go there. Generally, what he likes in music, I don't, and vice versa; but there are probably many exceptions. In literature and movies, his taste is probably better than mine, and certainly his knowledge is. Since early millennials often have a different outlook and interests from mine, that might be reflected in the kinds of music we are drawn to.

Also, my response to all your astrological analyses and how it relates to genius is that correlation does not imply causation.

OK, just replying because you asked. Correlation implies connection, even if it does not prove it.

Causation is not the basis of astrology anyway. Metaphysical law is the basis. But that basis is also seen in explanations in modern knowledge, such as fractals and holograms. The larger is reflected in the smaller; as above, so below. In ancient language, this is the relation of microcosm to macrocosm. The basis of astrology is not that planets emit rays or forces and cause us to be or to do things. It's synchronicity.

Had James Joyce been born fifteen years earlier or later, he probably wouldn't have been "James Joyce", not due to any absence of astrologically placements beneficial to genius or iconoclasm but rather because of the "times" themselves. All I'm asking is you stop for a second and examine the physical realm free of spirituality and transcendentalism, not permanently per se, but only for a few seconds if that's at all possible. Mind you, I find astrology compelling, but nobody's immune to "real world" circumstances, regardless of their natal chart. There are geniuses with natal charts favorable to genius, but I'm sure there are also geniuses whose natal charts are not. It's all just correlation, nothing more.

You like to pack lots of different ideas together. The "times themselves" are certainly related to astrological indicators. Correlation is not insignificant, but remember I always said that a lot depends on what you do with whatever you're given. Real world "circumstances" can certainly be obstacles that make it hard for people to unfold who they are, if they are severe enough; although strong souls can overcome obstacles. I think it's good that you find astrology "compelling;" don't let my arguments interfere with that impression I'm just sharing what I think I know, and I appreciate your interest in the arts too.

I may frustrate people who endorse proportional representation, but I think that Single Non-transferable Vote has the best chance of being accepted on a large scale. Partly due to its simplicity, but especially because of its resemblance to First Past the Post/Single Member Plurality.

Reconstruction of cities, with an artistic eye; learn from the successes of cities in different cultures. Create human scaled cities of high density. Emphasize historical preservation. Include such tactics as moving old buildings to new sites; or semi-new construction with salvaged materials. Public transportation should be coordinated with such plans. Also, vehicles such as bicycles, segways, and electric powered tricycles.

Rconstruction of cities would likely be a 1T project. As would be bullet trains. 1Ts tend to be times when society invests in big, shiny new infrastructure projects.

As for the 4T, much of the old infrastructure would be repaired, such as bridges, roads, sewers, inland waterways, etc. Fix up the railroads, including electrification. A second agenda would be to start the shift away from fossil fuels, trying several different sources of energy.

Generally, shift towards a Green economy.

Originally Posted by TimWalker

As for the 4T, much of the old infrastructure would be repaired, such as bridges, roads, sewers, inland waterways, etc. Fix up the railroads, including electrification. A second agenda would be to start the shift away from fossil fuels, trying several different sources of energy.

Generally, shift towards a Green economy.

Such depends on the sort of leadership that America has in the next few years. Under a monolithic, right-wing government, the vision would be privatization of any part of the public sector that could turn a profit, more rapid despoliation of natural resources, cheaper labor, and increasingly-brutal management ... with, of course, wars for profit and control of labor and markets. With that comes the debasement of education in favor of propaganda to stunt minds of American youth.

Of course I would rather see your vision prevail. Our political system needs to break its addiction to "Koch-aine" lest we end up with an Orwellian dictatorship, a socialist insurrection, or World War III as a solution to problems that we do not now have.

I was thinking about Kepi's comments about spirituality. It may be that, apart from traditional religion, spiritual currents die with an old Prophet generation during the more secular 4Ts, and especially 1Ts. Unlike traditional religion, which is of course a tradition, those 2T currents lack deep roots.

I recall another comment to another thread-that over the long term, a civillization tends to return to its basic roots, to its old patterns. The new fangled stuff has failed to set down deep roots, and fails the test of time.

Originally Posted by TimWalker

I was thinking about Kepi's comments about spirituality. It may be that, apart from traditional religion, spiritual currents die with an old Prophet generation during the more secular 4Ts, and especially 1Ts. Unlike traditional religion, which is of course a tradition, those 2T currents lack deep roots.

It takes time for new spiritual awareness to grow in a civilization like America that denies it.

I recall another comment to another thread-that over the long term, a civillization tends to return to its basic roots, to its old patterns. The new fangled stuff has failed to set down deep roots, and fails the test of time.

Actually, over time it succeeds. But, genuinely new and needed things do take time. Humans resist change, that is true.

Originally Posted by TimWalker

I was thinking about Kepi's comments about spirituality. It may be that, apart from traditional religion, spiritual currents die with an old Prophet generation during the more secular 4Ts, and especially 1Ts. Unlike traditional religion, which is of course a tradition, those 2T currents lack deep roots.

I recall another comment to another thread-that over the long term, a civillization tends to return to its basic roots, to its old patterns. The new fangled stuff has failed to set down deep roots, and fails the test of time.

If you really want to see solid evidence of this, check out hoo-doo, or other forms of purely folk magic. My grandmother used to recite old hoo-doo nonsense left and right, but she didn't actually know a lick if the stuff. It was just something she'd been told. She probably didn't even know what it was herself. It was something she'd been told and that's really it. Superstitions that don't become associated with formal institutions die.

Originally Posted by TimWalker

I recall another comment to another thread-that over the long term, a civillization tends to return to its basic roots, to its old patterns. The new fangled stuff has failed to set down deep roots, and fails the test of time.

Or when old time tested ideas have been challenged by dangerous radicals, to find a thread that binds both together in a new form. So that the new becomes invigorating to the old.

Paul did that a long time ago. With the suppressed iconography that was haunting the Roman Empire. He reached out to the "bad" people involved in underground activities and bound then together, helped them shape a new law that gradually allowed in elements of the old who also felt the need for a change.

Freud's book "Moses and Monotheism" has some very good passages about Paul. Freud maybe felt a kind of kinship with Paul, because they both were apostates of a sort who were looking for new answers. Freud especially, like so many modern people, simply could not believe in the faith of his fathers (and mothers!).

He faced something that seemed like Thanatos in the human species, and knew something he called the superego - was needed to channel those currents so that future life could be protected. He maybe sensed the cultural breach or split in his own given name, the Wagnerian Siegmund, with the "dark currents" (to borrow his own phrase) of the past.

Here's an optimistic note I just wrote in the draft for my revised prophecy book:

When outer planets enter a new sign of the zodiac, it can signal the start of an important new phase. When they enter the first sign Aries, dramatic actions launch a new cycle among peoples and nations. Idealistic Neptune is the most important planet, and the chart for when it enters Aries to stay, rather than just testing the waters only to briefly move back into Pisces, is crucial to look at. On January 26, 2026, Neptune enters Aries. Remember that the previous time Neptune entered Aries in April 1861, the Civil War began in the USA and a new aggressive leader took over Germany. The immediate result were wars of unification and aggression, as well as the new ideals which Abraham Lincoln enunciated at Gettysburg, both of which dominated to a great extent the years now ending in 2026.

Now a new Neptune cycle begins. This time, the signs generally look very positive. This is good news to a planet and a people who in the times of this writing, the 2010s, have become pessimistic about the future. The keynote of the new cycle appears to be "visionary pioneering" rather than aggression or "blood and iron" (Bismarck's slogan in Germany). No less than five planets will be in Aquarius on January 26, 2026, suggesting the people will be more idealistic and progressive in their attitudes from this date onward. The Sun is located at 7 degrees Aquarius, exactly where Mars is turning stationary-direct in these years in the Progressed Chart of Modern Humanity. The revival of action shines through! Mars itself is right nearby in this chart too, conjunct Pluto in Aquarius. 13 years of non-stop fearless activism begins; no more muddling around. Meanwhile, Uranus rising in earthy Taurus reveals "Nature's Green Revolution" at work, further emphasized in this chart by the Moon in Taurus and expansive Jupiter in conservationist Cancer. The new global awareness, represented by Neptune, is to be given state sanction during this cycle by Saturn's conjunction with it. This could result in the formation of many new global institutions in the 165 years to come.

Further optimistic signs of the times include the fact that we are still early in the mutual cycles of all the outer planets, suggesting their revolutionary significance of awakening and rebirth is still unfolding. Uranus returning to its original place in the American horoscope every four score and four years indicates that the great US upheaval is at hand in the 2020s, but now, for the first time, Uranus' return coincides with the 59-year "progressive cycle," in which Saturn returns to Pisces and Aries during some of the most progressive times in history: 1789 (French Revolution), 1848 (revolutionary wave in Europe), 1907 (progressive movement) and 1966 (the sixties revolution). The Great American Crisis this time around should result in some substantial advances in social justice, despite the ongoing resistance. The revolutionary movement should get quite a boost from the eclipse on February 17, which squares Uranus, as the people rise up and launch the new march forward.

Sounds good! Something to look forward to.

A.L. Tchijevsky developed an Index of Mass Human Excitability by identifying in history the timing of such events as wars, revolutions, riots, expeditions, and migrations. He concluded that these events correlated with peaks in the 11 year sunspot cycle. We are just past the peak of sunspot cycle #24; this cycle was unusually weak. The next cycle, #25 should reach its peak in mid to late 2024, and could be a much more exciting cycle with the peak being more than twice as high as #24.

It is interesting to me that what Tchijevsky identifies as a more likely time for exaggerated mass human excitability coincides with the suggest timing for the violent period of the current Fourth Turning crisis period.

One highly important undercurrent at this time is the compound growth in the amount of energy expended to acquire more energy. This is occurring because we always pick the low hanging fruit first, leaving the rest for later. Each unit of energy acquired has a fixed amount of energy. When we must expend more energy to acquire that unit, less energy is available to drive economic output. In the past we have produced energy faster to compensate for the increased expenditure in the acquisition process. Obviously we can't rationally expend more energy than we acquire in the process, plus we are approaching geological , and physical limits on total production.

Here is one study that indicates that for oil, around 2030 we will reach the point where it takes more energy to acquire new oil deposits than is in the deposits acquired. The effect of this will destroy all industrial economies that are heavily dependent on oil, and we won't need to wait till 2030 for the ramifications on our society to be felt; no other energy source could possibly adequately substitute for the abrupt end of the oil age.

http://www.thehillsgroup.org/

Pay particular attention to this graph attached to this report:

http://www.thehillsgroup.org/depletion2_020.htm

Not only will we likely see financial, economic, and social collapse, but governments everywhere could be swept away by the combined effect of the rapidly contracting industrial age for want of sufficient energy to fuel it, the cyclical end of the Fourth Turning crisis period, and the exciting effect of high sunspot activity around 2024.

Originally Posted by jeil

A.L. Tchijevsky developed an Index of Mass Human Excitability by identifying in history the timing of such events as wars, revolutions, riots, expeditions, and migrations. He concluded that these events correlated with peaks in the 11 year sunspot cycle. We are just past the peak of sunspot cycle #24; this cycle was unusually weak. The next cycle, #25 should reach its peak in mid to late 2024, and could be a much more exciting cycle with the peak being more than twice as high as #24.

It is interesting to me that what Tchijevsky identifies as a more likely time for exaggerated mass human excitability coincides with the suggest timing for the violent period of the current Fourth Turning crisis period.

One highly important undercurrent at this time is the compound growth in the amount of energy expended to acquire more energy. This is occurring because we always pick the low hanging fruit first, leaving the rest for later. Each unit of energy acquired has a fixed amount of energy. When we must expend more energy to acquire that unit, less energy is available to drive economic output. In the past we have produced energy faster to compensate for the increased expenditure in the acquisition process. Obviously we can't rationally expend more energy than we acquire in the process, plus we are approaching geological , and physical limits on total production.

Here is one study that indicates that for oil, around 2030 we will reach the point where it takes more energy to acquire new oil deposits than is in the deposits acquired. The effect of this will destroy all industrial economies that are heavily dependent on oil, and we won't need to wait till 2030 for the ramifications on our society to be felt; no other energy source could possibly adequately substitute for the abrupt end of the oil age.

http://www.thehillsgroup.org/

Pay particular attention to this graph attached to this report:

http://www.thehillsgroup.org/depletion2_020.htm

Not only will we likely see financial, economic, and social collapse, but governments everywhere could be swept away by the combined effect of the rapidly contracting industrial age for want of sufficient energy to fuel it, the cyclical end of the Fourth Turning crisis period, and the exciting effect of high sunspot activity around 2024.

I'm not sure what your basis is for claiming Cycle 25 will be as you have described. People I know with knowledge in this area do not seem to think Cycle 25 will be any better than 24 and may even be weaker.

Originally Posted by XYMOX_4AD_84

I'm not sure what your basis is for claiming Cycle 25 will be as you have described. People I know with knowledge in this area do not seem to think Cycle 25 will be any better than 24 and may even be weaker.

Back in the days when people used stock brokers, mine was fond of pointing out that we all had opinions, and butt holes, too, both sometimes being full of crap. This is simply my opinion.

My basis is identifying over 100 oscillations in the monthly numbers going back to 1749, and projecting them into the future. I use a brute force method of calculating sine waves in incremental lengths and determine which fit the data best (least squares) compared to others, and then use statistical tests to determine if the suggested oscillation length is random. There is a little more to it, but that is the general idea.

Of course this method picks up the much touted 11 and 22 year cycles, but many more including a cluster of significant cycles in length just less than and more than the 11 year oscillation, plus many others from 3 months up to the limit that can be tested given the length of the data set. The techniques I use, I learned from The Foundation for the Study of Cycles back in the 1980's. I only worked on sunspot numbers because the data was readily available, and occasionally something stirs my interest in how they might affect health, the weather, etc.. I otherwise use this math to predict and profit from trading gold, silver, and stock market derivatives, based on analysis of the respective price histories of these vehicles.

Look at cycle #19 for what to expect with #25, except that the average number for #25 will be a just a little less than #19, but the overall length of #25 will be slightly longer than #19. If you multiply the respective length by the average number for #19 and for what I expect for #25 the average radiance should be nearly equal. Of interest is that for the cycles during the latter half of the 21st century, my method predicts that they will be very anemic, similar to the first three cycles that began with 1800, and which produced cold.

Check back in 10 years to compare notes, that is if the electrical grid still works by then.