The 2016 Election will be awful.
Congratulations to Citizens United! It has achieved what neither George III, Adolf Hitler, and Hideki Tojo planned to do -- destroy democracy in America. Money is now everything in American politics. Quality and service no longer matter.
Will the election be rigged?
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
It likely will be in the states that the Tea Party controls.Originally Posted by pbrower2a
I still have hope that a favorable Senate slate up for election in 2016 and a weak GOP candidate will turn things around. But jeez, if the GOP keeps winning Senate seats tonight...it's going to be tougher to get it back in two years. That may not mean a lot in legislative terms with the House still being a tough nut to crack this decade, but in appointments that means a lot. I really hope Ginsburg and Breyer have the same fountain of youth that John Paul Stevens had found.
Actually, money didn't win this election. The party that spent more money to win and runs on more money and promises more money lost BIG TIME.
Money bought the Orwellian propaganda of Americans for Prosperity (of only 1% of the people and suffering for all others) -- an entity as powerful as a political party.
If Iowa can elect a witch to the Senate, then anything is possible in America -- much of it bad.
What can one say of a country that pays more attention to the Kardashian sisters and Ultimate Fighting than to politics!
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
Money bought the Orwellian propaganda that you tend to identify with and promote. If America can elect a mid level community organizer, a charismatic yet highly inexperienced young senator, a person with no executive experience or expertise, then anything is possible in American politics. What can be said about a country that places more value on the color of one's skin than the actual capabilities of the individual as a leader, the perceived intelligence based on superior communication skills than the actual use of intelligence by the individual once challenged or forced to actually use it.
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I smell the death of democracy in America in the morning and the birth of the fascist state.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
Money didn't win tonight. Age did - just like I predicted it would.
I hereby propose a new name for the generation born from (roughly) 1981 through 1998:
The Passive Generation.
But maybe if the putative Robin Hoods stopped trying to take from law-abiding citizens and give to criminals, take from men and give to women, take from believers and give to anti-believers, take from citizens and give to "undocumented" immigrants, and take from heterosexuals and give to homosexuals, they might have a lot more success in taking from the rich and giving to everyone else.
Don't blame me - I'm a Baby Buster!
Not so much. We sent a pretty thorough message to the democratic party: Engage us, or be destroyed. It's really that simple. The partisans who like to whine like this is a team sport won't ever understand. If you don't do what we want, we won't show up. TV news is feeling that now, too. The Republicans will feel it as well next cycle when they get some B-lister democrat in the White House because we all show up to give Hillary the boot in the primary, vote for the president, and guarantee gridlock until all eyes are on us, the voters.
The Democrats had 8 years in power in congress, and they pissed it right away. 4 years of total congressional control, 4 years partial. Want to win in Washington? Do stuff for Millennials, want to fail? Do anything else.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, Kepi, but would pleasing the Millenials include an emphasis on economics?
Yup. Economics, guaranteed services, foreign non-intervention, and removing the paranoia industrial complex needs to be the focus of any party that wants to actually win.
How did the last B-lister (Obama) democrat in the White House turnout? Did he do anything significant for you or your generation?
How will that happen if Millies stay home?
And what have Republicans done for Millennials? Are they failing? You are powerless to threaten them.The Democrats had 8 years in power in congress, and they pissed it right away. 4 years of total congressional control, 4 years partial. Want to win in Washington? Do stuff for Millennials, want to fail? Do anything else.
Its absolutely pathetic that you would refer to Joni Ernst as a witch. You mean the combat veteran who, unlike you, hasn't spent the bulk of her life mooching off our country but serving it. I doubt you have ever put on a jock strap let alone a military uniform.
This garbage about money being spent in elections, as if the Democrat candidates you support weren't awash in cash themselves and in most cases outspent the Republicans. Sure, go ahead and whine about the Koch brothers. How about whining about Dummycrat donor Tom Steyer who gave 74 million in a losing effort. How about Bloomberg, George Soros, Hollywood fatcats and even your personal god B. Hussien Obama, who spent well over 1 bilion in each election he was in.
As far as Fascism is concerned, you show no worry about NSA spying, the IRS illegally targeting conservatives and the Pres. using executive orders and going around Congress....
Weave. Good points.
Psalm 91
Exactly. Look at the agenda Kepi proposes: economics, guaranteed services, foreign non-intervention, and removing the paranoia industrial complex needs to be the focus of any party that wants to actually win.
Republicans are 100% opposed to the bolded portion of Kepi's agenda. Kepi says if he doesn't get these things that Republicans oppose he will refuse to vote for their opponents. Huh?
Sounds like the comfy chair to me.
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Nope, that's not the point. If you put a democrat in the presidency and you only show up for every other election, what do you get? Gridlock. Mountains of gridlock. So basically, we hey what we want, or nobody gets anything. If democrats want to win, they can, but they have to do things that we want, it's that simple.
That's really the core of the issue. Most mainstream Democrats care as much about the NSA now as Republicans cared about The PATRIOT Act under Bush.
Executive orders? Obama is issuing fewer per year than Reagan or Bush Jr. did. Where was the GOP outrage?
This is bullshit team vs. team stuff, while the real villains walk away with total control of our government and economy. They don't know party loyalty, but they know how to exploit it so as to keep us divided and submissive.
Those words, "temperate and moderate", are words either of political cowardice, or of cunning, or seduction. A thing, moderately good, is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper, is always a virtue; but moderation in principle, is a species of vice.
'82 - Once & always independent
Not at all, all we have to do is show up. Like we did in 2008. More or less this republican congress can only do what Obama let's them. They're falling like everyone else.
We can make or break gridlock, pretty much at any time. What have the Democrats done for me lately? How are they any different from a Republican for me?
You Republicans obstructed his every move and you have the gall so say he never did anything significant?
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
Can Millies afford not to have anything done for themselves and allow anything to be done for other for a decade or two? BTW, if a Millie actually did what you're saying and placed himself and his wants above all others needs and his willingness to intervene and obstruct was viewed as liability and a direct threat to lives of the boomer and the X'er, what do you think would happen to that Millie in real life?
Eh, the oldest Millennials can't run in either the Senate, nor the presidency. They won't be able to in 2016, either. So I wouldn't expect this pattern to last for decades.
If a Millennials were viewed as a threat by Boomers and Xers in real life, I'd expect that Millennial would spend the next decade and a half ignoring am extensive media campaign full of said Boomers and Xers whining themselves to the grave. So pretty much business as usual. Politics isn't religion. It's not about belief. It's about doing something. If you don't do something for me, but you rely on me for something, what good are you?
2016 - bring on the Millies (for real).
Yesterday was the last election where Xers and Boomers will completely dominate the field of candidates. While they will still be around in 2016, by then, we will see many more Millie candidates. The sea change will then commence.
