Originally Posted by Kepi

Eh, the oldest Millennials can't run in either the Senate, nor the presidency. They won't be able to in 2016, either. So I wouldn't expect this pattern to last for decades.

The Senate age requirement is 30, so early Millies could hypothetically run for that office.

Originally Posted by Kepi

More or less this republican congress can only do what Obama let's them. They're falling like everyone else.

No they aren't. They are succeeding. Republican voters vote for Republicans in order to step Democrats from doing thing that they don't want, like what YOU want. As long as nothing happens, the Republicans are delivering what their voters want.

We can make or break gridlock, pretty much at any time. What have the Democrats done for me lately? How are they any different from a Republican for me?

They are not. Republicans don't want you to get what you want; they aren't going to give to you. Republicans don't want Democrats to give you what you want either; they aren't going to let Democrats do so. So neither party is going to give you what you want. And so your right that makes Democrats and Republicans the same as far as what they deliver. So why should you vote?

But if you don't vote then why should anyone give a shit about what you think? Both parties will just write you off. Look Democrats spent a huge amount of political capital coming up with a way for the working poor to get Medicaid. Then these people didn't bother to show up at eh polls. So why do anything for them ever again? Democrats are suckers. But now they are gone, and the GOP rules.

The potential flaw in their strategy would be if somehow they win the presidency. But they can count on Millies showing up in 2016 to put some Democratic sucker into the oval office. Republicans will see to it that he accomplishes nothing for you. Meanwhile if something goes wrong they will have a fall guy in the White house to take the heat. They don't need the presidency its dangerous when they hold it. Look what happened with Bush, hell the country went and elected a black guy. I'll bet that threw them for a loop.

You are laboring under the illusion that your generation has some sort of power, that Republicans at some point are going to feel they need your vote. They don't need you, don't want you, and they are in charge. As your generation grows older, it will split into winners and a much large number of losers. The Republicans will welcome the winners into their party, which they will be glad to join because winners generally want to keep their winnings and Republicans promise to prevent Democrats from taking them. As for the losers, most of you will give up voting at all because it's pointless. They will only need those Millies who end up as 1 percenters.

The older generations were socialized in a mass culture society. We grew up when everybody watched the same films, watched the same news, participated in the same mass market economy in which everyone had a role and everyone voted or at least believed one should vote.

What you want are things that existed in that world. They came from the mass culture that existed then, in which the older generations still alive today grew up.

That world is alien to you. You grew up in a world where people enjoyed their own cultural niche, watch news tailored to their individual taste, and participant in an array of micro-markets, in which there ware roles for only a few and most are left to serve as sort of a substratum of society. In a society where 10% can do all the jobs worth doing, what is the point of having the other 90%? There existence is pointless. That is where your generation is taking the world. When we go that culture dies with us, unless it is transmitted to you. The transmission of culture requires that the receiver is able to process it in a way that makes is meaningful within the current reality. Otherwise it does not get transmitted.

If you want the things you say you want you need to acquire the culture that makes them possible. The strategy you lay out fits with someone who lives in the modern discretized world. You are used to an economy that allow you to endlessly customize what you get. You take this expectation to political life, but democracy, but its very nature is an mass market thing. The ideas you want to sell are mass market ideas the products of a homogeneous culture. And economy that works for everyone is not going to work as well for the talented as a 100% on-your-own economy. And if the future only needs contributions from 10%, it is going to be the talented who structure the economy.

As for the other 90% unless the talented 10% agree to simply give you a goodly chunk of what they create in exchange for nothing, you will have to settle for whatever crumbs that fall from their tables, like Lazarus did. What other choice is there?

I'm glad I won't have to live in that world. But then those socialized in this new world may feel differently. I already find many elements of the modern world increasingly alien. More and more I feel like a fish out of water.

Originally Posted by Kepi

Not so much. We sent a pretty thorough message to the democratic party: Engage us, or be destroyed. It's really that simple. The partisans who like to whine like this is a team sport won't ever understand. If you don't do what we want, we won't show up. TV news is feeling that now, too. The Republicans will feel it as well next cycle when they get some B-lister democrat in the White House because we all show up to give Hillary the boot in the primary, vote for the president, and guarantee gridlock until all eyes are on us, the voters.

The Democrats had 8 years in power in congress, and they pissed it right away. 4 years of total congressional control, 4 years partial. Want to win in Washington? Do stuff for Millennials, want to fail? Do anything else.

This adds some quantification to your theme -



And this -

The nationwide total of nearly 20,000 respondents showed that Republicans led 56 percent to 43 percent among those 65 and older, and 52 percent to 46 percent among those ages 45 to 64. By contrast, Democrats led 55 percent to 43 percent among those 18 to 29, and 51 percent to 47 percent among those 30 to 44.

Similar exit polls were conducted in most states with a competitive campaign for a Senate seat. In at least four states where Republicans took what had been a Democratic-controlled seat, they performed best among the oldest voters.

Of those states, the age disparity was most pronounced in Iowa and North Carolina. Republican Joni Ernst won Iowa over Rep. Bruce Braley by 56 percent to 42 percent among those 65 and older, and 52 percent to 47 percent among those 45 to 64. Ernst lost 43 percent to 54 percent among those 18 to 29, and 48 percent to 49 percent among those 30 to 44. In North Carolina, Republican Thom Tillis’s contest with Sen. Kay Hagan had comparable margins.

The youth turnout in Colorado has been deemed as "dismal." Contrast that with New Hampshire where youth turnout was high and Dems kept that Senate seat.

As a voting block, White males over 60 years old are becoming 2% less of the total electorate with each 2-year election cycle. That, along with immigration is what has the GOP backed into a corner; but just like an animal, they're doing everything to hang on - voter suppression, gerrymandering, billionaire bucks, and the apparently most successful tactic of killing off economic growth knowing the Prez will take the blame.

However, the demographics will not mean much (at least for a long while), if young voters stay home.

Certainly, part of the problem has been Dems not fighting hard enough, including losing any messaging that would appeal to the youth vote to get them to turn out.

However, the bigger problem is the lack of experience (primarily younger voters) or just being plain dumb (older, but low-informational voters) to equate Obama being hemmed in by the GOP since 2010 to him being no different than what the GOP has to offer. This results in either a position of supporting the GOP outright (low informational voters) or staying home out of frustration (youth vote).

The next 18 months or so should be instructive to those that still have brains, the attention span of at least a squirrel, and can tear themselves away from their Playstations to give some thought about why they can't make a living and who actually gives a rat's ass about that other than their parents.

If not, it is going to be very dark days ahead - all, of course, being blamed on Obama.

Good point, playwrite. The Dems are going to need to get dedicated people to volunteer serious time to make sure supporters can navigate through the abyss of voter suppression techniques that are out there, and get more people to the polls.

Originally Posted by Mikebert

No they aren't. They are succeeding. Republican voters vote for Republicans in order to step Democrats from doing thing that they don't want, like what YOU want. As long as nothing happens, the Republicans are delivering what their voters want.


They are not. Republicans don't want you to get what you want; they aren't going to give to you. Republicans don't want Democrats to give you what you want either; they aren't going to let Democrats do so. So neither party is going to give you what you want. And so your right that makes Democrats and Republicans the same as far as what they deliver. So why should you vote?

But if you don't vote then why should anyone give a shit about what you think? Both parties will just write you off. Look Democrats spent a huge amount of political capital coming up with a way for the working poor to get Medicaid. Then these people didn't bother to show up at eh polls. So why do anything for them ever again? Democrats are suckers. But now they are gone, and the GOP rules.

The potential flaw in their strategy would be if somehow they win the presidency. But they can count on Millies showing up in 2016 to put some Democratic sucker into the oval office. Republicans will see to it that he accomplishes nothing for you. Meanwhile if something goes wrong they will have a fall guy in the White house to take the heat. They don't need the presidency its dangerous when they hold it. Look what happened with Bush, hell the country went and elected a black guy. I'll bet that threw them for a loop.

You are laboring under the illusion that your generation has some sort of power, that Republicans at some point are going to feel they need your vote. They don't need you, don't want you, and they are in charge. As your generation grows older, it will split into winners and a much large number of losers. The Republicans will welcome the winners into their party, which they will be glad to join because winners generally want to keep their winnings and Republicans promise to prevent Democrats from taking them. As for the losers, most of you will give up voting at all because it's pointless. They will only need those Millies who end up as 1 percenters.

The older generations were socialized in a mass culture society. We grew up when everybody watched the same films, watched the same news, participated in the same mass market economy in which everyone had a role and everyone voted or at least believed one should vote.

What you want are things that existed in that world. They came from the mass culture that existed then, in which the older generations still alive today grew up.

That world is alien to you. You grew up in a world where people enjoyed their own cultural niche, watch news tailored to their individual taste, and participant in an array of micro-markets, in which there ware roles for only a few and most are left to serve as sort of a substratum of society. In a society where 10% can do all the jobs worth doing, what is the point of having the other 90%? There existence is pointless. That is where your generation is taking the world. When we go that culture dies with us, unless it is transmitted to you. The transmission of culture requires that the receiver is able to process it in a way that makes is meaningful within the current reality. Otherwise it does not get transmitted.

If you want the things you say you want you need to acquire the culture that makes them possible. The strategy you lay out fits with someone who lives in the modern discretized world. You are used to an economy that allow you to endlessly customize what you get. You take this expectation to political life, but democracy, but its very nature is an mass market thing. The ideas you want to sell are mass market ideas the products of a homogeneous culture. And economy that works for everyone is not going to work as well for the talented as a 100% on-your-own economy. And if the future only needs contributions from 10%, it is going to be the talented who structure the economy.

As for the other 90% unless the talented 10% agree to simply give you a goodly chunk of what they create in exchange for nothing, you will have to settle for whatever crumbs that fall from their tables, like Lazarus did. What other choice is there?

I'm glad I won't have to live in that world. But then those socialized in this new world may feel differently. I already find many elements of the modern world increasingly alien. More and more I feel like a fish out of water.

Very much a supply/production point of view. It's a good assessment within that context but it leaves out the other side of the coin - demand.

Just how many private jets does a billionaire need? And who is going to buy his goods/services that keep him a billionaire?

Henry Ford paid his workers well so they could buy his cars and he could become and maintain his wealth. Without that virtuous cycle, the system collapses for EVERYBODY. And long before that happens, the riots are going to begin. The social culture you allude to will either evolve or it will eventually be forced on those that remain.

Originally Posted by Classic-X'er

Actually, money didn't win this election. The party that spent more money to win and runs on more money and promises more money lost BIG TIME.

This is true. What won was focus and passion. You can argue whether the results suit you, but not how they were achieved.

Originally Posted by Kepi

Nope, that's not the point. If you put a democrat in the presidency and you only show up for every other election, what do you get? Gridlock. Mountains of gridlock. So basically, we hey what we want, or nobody gets anything. If democrats want to win, they can, but they have to do things that we want, it's that simple.

Wow. Sounds incredibly whiny to me. The GOP wants you to stay home, and the Dems need more than Millies to win. Time to start your own party I guess.

I think when this thing gets further pulled apart, the "mandate" is going to dry up pretty fast -

Many Republicans won office with the support of less than 20 percent of the eligible voters. Voters over 60 made up a stunning 37 percent of the electorate (up from 25 percent in 2012 or 32 percent in the last bi-election in 2010). Voters under 30 were only 12 percent of the electorate, down from 19 percent in 2012. Democrats won women, but lost white men big. Republicans lost ground with Hispanic voters, but in most of the contested states, they weren’t much of a factor.

Anybody that thinks the GOP can win a national Presidential election must be in DC and taking advantage of the new pot smoking initiative.

The 2010 GOP wave of Senators is up for re-election in a lot of Blue states in 2016. Harry Reid in Nevada is about the only vulnerable Dem in 2016.

Mitch is not going to be able to control Cruz et al. They're going to do some really stupid shit - actually going over the cliff on the debt ceiling could be their penultimate unforced error - maybe total financial chaos and depression would wake up the 1% to buy a clue?

What this gives the lie to, is any attack on "boomers" by Kepi or anyone else. Millennials have failed to live up to the civic archetype. They are no better than Boomers in the way they are blowing their responsibilities as citizens, and falling for the blatant lies of the big shot wealthy power guys and their unrestricted money.

These days Millennials and X/Y cuspers fall for the idea that tech can fix anything. That is just as bad as Boomers being "emotionally immature" and living off their undisciplined feelings. Hey, feeling is what life is all about. Millennials and many Xers apparently cannot feel in their hearts (which they probably deny even exists, due to their materialism) what the powers that be and their Republican lackeys are doing to society and their lives. They'd rather just escape into their ipads and iphones, and just be slackers and lazy beneficiaries of what they are given.

No, millennials and Xers now have no basis whatever for their claims of superiority over Boomers, or any right to blame boomers for their plight. They have failed, decisively. First on Nov.2, 2010, and now on Nov.4, 2014, they have made their bed, and now they must lie in it. They have pulled the wool over their own eyes and gone to sleep. They must face the consequences for their own economic situation. They have created it as fully as boomers or anyone else. So they can now stop blaming boomers and look in the mirror when unhappy with their economic situation, not to mention the fact that the planet will soon be unlivable. It is now your own damn fault, millennials. Face up to it, and act on it.

Originally Posted by XYMOX_4AD_84

2016 - bring on the Millies (for real).

Yesterday was the last election where Xers and Boomers will completely dominate the field of candidates. While they will still be around in 2016, by then, we will see many more Millie candidates. The sea change will then commence.

Not until they learn to vote.

Originally Posted by pbrower2a

I smell the death of democracy in America in the morning and the birth of the fascist state.

Funny, I smell the same thing.

That odor gets around, doesn't it?

Money bought the Senate and the House last night. Big time, big money. And it worked; the people fell for it, big time. It's all about money. It's about Republicans deceiving the people that money is speech, and getting presidents to appoint their lackeys to define it as such. It is about protecting the money and wealth of the powerful big money folks, by persuading the people to let them pile on the wealth without the regulations and taxes that we need.

In California, big money persuaded the voters to disempower their health commissioner from vetoing unfair insurance rates. They persuaded the voters with constant ads. The spending ratio was about 65 to 3, according to news reports yesterday. The people were bought. No doubt this is true throughout the country.

The Koch Brothers made the people drink or smoke their coke. They are hooked and addicted to the trickle. The wealthy reactionaries massively outspent the Democrats everywhere. The people fell for it. Neither is blameless.

I expect the Democrats will keep the White House in 2016, but I could be wrong. They may take back the Senate, but they are unlikely to dislodge the 2010 Tea Party House. This 4T consists mainly of the fact that the wealthy are able to deceive the people into voting for Republicans. That will continue to create polarization, shut downs, defaults, and resistance and repeal of regulations that keep the wealthy from destroying our country and our planet. Division will increase, and a break up or revolution is likely by the 2020s.

America as it exists today is no longer viable. It does not serve its people, (and the people do not serve or deserve IT), and it endangers the biosphere and the oceans on which life depends.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

What this gives the lie to, is any attack on "boomers" by Kepi or anyone else. Millennials have failed to live up to the civic archetype. They are no better than Boomers in the way they are blowing their responsibilities as citizens, and falling for the blatant lies of the big shot wealthy power guys and their unrestricted money.

These days Millennials and X/Y cuspers fall for the idea that tech can fix anything. That is just as bad as Boomers being "emotionally immature" and living off their undisciplined feelings. Hey, feeling is what life is all about. Millennials and many Xers apparently cannot feel in their hearts (which they probably deny even exists, due to their materialism) what the powers that be and their Republican lackeys are doing to society and their lives. They'd rather just escape into their ipads and iphones, and just be slackers and lazy beneficiaries of what they are given.

No, millennials and Xers now have no basis whatever for their claims of superiority over Boomers, or any right to blame boomers for their plight. They have failed, decisively. First on Nov.2, 2010, and now on Nov.4, 2014, they have made their bed, and now they must lie in it. They have pulled the wool over their own eyes and gone to sleep. They must face the consequences for their own economic situation. They have created it as fully as boomers or anyone else. So they can now stop blaming boomers and look in the mirror when unhappy with their economic situation, not to mention the fact that the planet will soon be unlivable. It is now your own damn fault, millennials. Face up to it, and act on it.

It is too early, give them a few more years. You will not believe the 2020s .

I'd be curious to compare the GI voter turnout in 1934 to the Milles' turnout in 2014.

Originally Posted by Kepi

Nope, that's not the point. If you put a democrat in the presidency and you only show up for every other election, what do you get? Gridlock. Mountains of gridlock. So basically, we (get) what we want, or nobody gets anything. If democrats want to win, they can, but they have to do things that we want, it's that simple.

You Millennials and X/Yers have no power, for the very reason you stated. You have made your own bed by not voting in midterms. So you have no power to get Democrats to do what you want.

This article has some good insight, but you really need to go to it and look at the three photos of GOP Senators to see their eventual demise-

http://www.salon.com/2014/11/05/enjo...ite_and_aging/

Enjoy it while it lasts! GOP base is still white and aging

Yes, Democrats got hammered yesterday. But the demographics are undeniable, and the GOP's base still has no future
WILLIAM H. FREY

Democrats got hammered in Tuesday’s election. The conventional wisdom is that this was a referendum on President Obama and a repudiation of his policies.

Yet, to many, especially older white Americans, this election had a deeper meaning. It signaled a return to normal in a broader sense, and a repudiation of a younger, more progressive America and, yes, one more racially diverse. To them, the Obama years are seen as a temporary blip as the nation begins to revert back to more familiar political and cultural terrain.

Still, to most Democratic operatives, the Obama years are hardly an aberration, even after Tuesday. They have long seen the Obama presidency as a sea change in American politics, where growing minority populations will lead to a future of Democratic dominance.

Neither view is entirely correct for the near term, which will witness seesaw elections between older whites and mostly younger minorities. On Tuesday, as in earlier midterm elections, whites and those over age 45 numerically overwhelmed voters nationwide. This contrasts with the past two presidential elections, especially 2012, when the raw power of our growing racial minorities in their enthusiastic Democratic support elected the first nonwhite president.

Longer term, the nation’s minority-driven demographic transformation will make as big a mark in the first half of this century, as did the postwar baby boom in the second half of the last. New racial minorities — Hispanics, Asians and multiracial Americans — will more than double their populations in the next 40 years. Already these new minorities, as well as other non-white groups, account for over 90 percent of U.S. population growth.

The second part of this transformation, largely unappreciated, is the tepid growth of the nation’s aging white population, which in just 10 years will begin to decline in size. White decline has already begun among younger Americans, as the rest of the white population ages.

As this is happening, young racial minorities are filling in the ranks of children, young adults and, in the not too distant future, middle-aged citizens — and voters. Already minority children make up half of all children in 10 states; by 2027 minorities will comprise most 20- to 29-year-olds; and by 2043, most Americans....

tick, tick, tick...

The future is California.

Originally Posted by JohnMc82

That's really the core of the issue. Most mainstream Democrats care as much about the NSA now as Republicans cared about The PATRIOT Act under Bush.

Executive orders? Obama is issuing fewer per year than Reagan or Bush Jr. did. Where was the GOP outrage?

This is bullshit team vs. team stuff, while the real villains walk away with total control of our government and economy. They don't know party loyalty, but they know how to exploit it so as to keep us divided and submissive.

The real villains were elected to the Senate and the House yesterday, and they sport an R next to their name. It is ALL ABOUT party. Those who don't know this, are simply deceived. You have to support the right team if you expect to win. That's just the way politics works.

Democrats are not going to act like Democrats unless the people push them to. That means (among other things) voting Democratic or Green. Voting Republican only pushes against the Democrats, and persuades them to support the Patriot Act and the NSA. Voting Republican forces the Democrats to be Republican-lite DINOs. They ape the ways of the more-successful party, because elections show what the people want. That's the way it has worked for over 20 years now.

Wrong Eric, I very much did my civic duty. I looked and I said "you know who deserves this more? Not a one of them. They all suck." So I voted my conscience and stayed home for the first election since I could participate in elections. Nobody tried to earn my vote, so they don't get it.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

Funny, I smell the same thing.

That odor gets around, doesn't it?

Money bought the Senate and the House last night. Big time, big money. And it worked; the people fell for it, big time. It's all about money. It's about Republicans deceiving the people that money is speech, and getting presidents to appoint their lackeys to define it as such. It is about protecting the money and wealth of the powerful big money folks, by persuading the people to let them pile on the wealth without the regulations and taxes that we need.

In California, big money persuaded the voters to disempower their health commissioner from vetoing unfair insurance rates. They persuaded the voters with constant ads. The spending ratio was about 65 to 3, according to news reports yesterday. The people were bought. No doubt this is true throughout the country.

The Koch Brothers made the people drink or smoke their coke. They are hooked and addicted to the trickle. The wealthy reactionaries massively outspent the Democrats everywhere. The people fell for it. Neither is blameless.

I expect the Democrats will keep the White House in 2016, but I could be wrong. They may take back the Senate, but they are unlikely to dislodge the 2010 Tea Party House. This 4T consists mainly of the fact that the wealthy are able to deceive the people into voting for Republicans. That will continue to create polarization, shut downs, defaults, and resistance and repeal of regulations that keep the wealthy from destroying our country and our planet. Division will increase, and a break up or revolution is likely by the 2020s.

America as it exists today is no longer viable. It does not serve its people, (and the people do not serve or deserve IT), and it endangers the biosphere and the oceans on which life depends.

I think there was big money on both sides playing the political money power game.

Originally Posted by playwrite

This article has some good insight, but you really need to go to it and look at the three photos of GOP Senators to see their eventual demise-

http://www.salon.com/2014/11/05/enjo...ite_and_aging/




tick, tick, tick...

The future is California.

Right, however, the white Millies voted GOP this round. That is not much of an aging group.

Originally Posted by Kepi

Yup. Economics, guaranteed services, foreign non-intervention, and removing the paranoia industrial complex needs to be the focus of any party that wants to actually win.

Been thinking about this response...what is lacking is an agenda which Millies can get behind. That is, a vision that is inclusive of a young Civic generation.

I talking about a disconnect that is more generational than partisan. What Boomers of any party or of any ideology are taking an interest in young adults?

Originally Posted by TimWalker

Been thinking about this response...what is lacking is an agenda which Millies can get behind. That is, a vision that is inclusive of a young Civic generation.

I talking about a disconnect that is more generational than partisan. What Boomers of any party or of any ideology are taking an interest in young adults?

This is exactly it. a rising Civic generation needs a coherent program to rally behind. We were shown one in 2008, but then Obama pissed it all away.

A big problem for the Dems is that a coherent program that would rally Millennials would also step on the toes of the capitalists who fund the Dems' campaigns, especially those capitalists in the financial and entertainment industries. Also, a lot of Millennials hate the increasing authoritarian behavior of the police, but Dem politicians in the major cities need to court the police union or they will not even get nominated.

Originally Posted by Odin

This is exactly it. a rising Civic generation needs a coherent program to rally behind. We were shown one in 2008, but then Obama pissed it all away.

Yes, my young Jedi. Like I said, where's Emma Goldman when you need her?

A big problem for the Dems is that a coherent program that would rally Millennials would also step on the toes of the capitalists who fund the Dems' campaigns, especially those capitalists in the financial and entertainment industries. Also, a lot of Millennials hate the increasing authoritarian behavior of the police, but Dem politicians in the major cities need to court the police union or they will not even get nominated.

They also need to stop their collective dick stepping on stuff like gun control , PC, and identity politics. I hate all this jive shit.

Originally Posted by Odin

Also, a lot of Millennials hate the increasing authoritarian behavior of the police, but Dem politicians in the major cities need to court the police union or they will not even get nominated.

Not in San Jose

(new Mayor elected yesterday supported the incumbent's pension reform that cut benefits for police; his opponent was supported by police unions; both candidates are Democrats)

Originally Posted by Kepi

Wrong Eric, I very much did my civic duty. I looked and I said "you know who deserves this more? Not a one of them. They all suck." So I voted my conscience and stayed home for the first election since I could participate in elections. Nobody tried to earn my vote, so they don't get it.

You did not do your civic duty. You voted for Mitch McConnell.

Originally Posted by TimWalker

Been thinking about this response...what is lacking is an agenda which Millies can get behind. That is, a vision that is inclusive of a young Civic generation.

I talking about a disconnect that is more generational than partisan. What Boomers of any party or of any ideology are taking an interest in young adults?

Boomers and all Democrats and liberals need to take an interest in what works for the people. "The people" needs to include younger people.

It needs to be more than an agenda; whoever would be elected with that agenda needs to be able to follow through with bold action, and convince people to support him. Obama was somewhat lacking in these respects.

But he is much better than cynical Xers and millies think. Young people are used to being cynics now. They have been programmed to be cynical. They expect perfection and utopia. Give them anything less and they stay home like Kepi did, or they knowingly vote for those who promise to make things much worse.

I look at Obama and think, what's there to complain about? Sure, he's wrong on some things. He doesn't do the political game very well. But the economy is improving under his watch, despite the opposition's deliberate attempts to slow it down in order to discredit him. I don't really believe that young Americans can't see through this charade. And yet they vote as if they had no idea what is going on.

He is acting against the IS, and yet the voters are hoodwincked into voting against Obama's party because the threat exists at all. What do they think; there are problems in the world, so therefore let's vote against the president? Whut?

I thought a virus was responsible for ebola, not Obama. Whut, they vote against his party because he's from Africa? What's the deal? Do they expect Obama personally to spread the disease? Or are they really that stupid?

Do young people really believe the climate science deniers, and want the Keystone pipeline built and carbon regulations repealed? Do they really want to shut down the EPA? Do they really want to repeal OBamacare? Do they give Obama no credit for leadership on these issues? When you think about it, Obama, limited and flawed as he is, has accomplished more than any president since the early days of LBJ.

But that's not good enough. So they vote against Hagen, Udall, Warner, etc and put a bunch of stupid Republicans in office at all levels. It is stupid beyond imagining. Talk about a spoiled, impatient generation. Millies beat Boomers at that vice hands down, and then some!