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Post#551 at 01-27-2015 06:30 PM by Classic-X'er [at joined Sep 2012 #posts 1,789]
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Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post
You're right, I read it too fast, and misread it. I still like Zephyr Teachout, though. She managed to get 34% of the primary vote against Cuomo with a campaign warchest of $600,000.
You don't have to spend a lot to promote and gain support for more FREE stuff.







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Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post
Please ... not Cuomo. Cuomo the Younger is the Democratic analog of Bush the Younger. He's not trustworthy on any level. I would be happier with the Democrat who ran against him: Zephyr Teachout. She's relatively young, but she's whip smart and has all the right attitudes. She's a young EW. This is probably not her time ... but it may be soon.
Yes. For the record I agree on Teachout. Sorry for the missing word above.







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Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren says she is not considering a run for president in 2016, but should she change her mind, a race against former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination could turn out to be highly competitive, said Doug Schoen.

In an opinion piece in The Wall Street Journal, the former political adviser and pollster for former President Bill Clinton, said that although national polling shows Clinton with an overwhelming lead, Warren's gap in early primary states such as Iowa and New Hampshire would likely be much smaller.

Specifically, while a recent CNN/ORC national poll had Clinton at a 66 percent to 9 percent advantage, polling Schoen has done in Iowa gave Clinton just a 15 point advantage of 51 percent to 36 percent, with high favorability ratings for both women.

And in New Hampshire, Clinton is ahead of Warren among likely Democratic voters by just nine points, or 51 percent to 42 percent. The two also had virtually identical high favorability ratings, he said.

"Mrs. Clinton's favorables don't appear to make her invulnerable to a populist challenge from the left, as a Warren campaign would almost certainly be. My polling shows that there is a significant opening with Democratic primary voters who are extremely liberal in ideology and populist in orientation," he wrote.

"I also tested Mrs. Clinton's message, based on her public statements, of charting a new direction and standing up for working people against Ms. Warren's more explicitly populist direction in which government addresses fundamental unfairness in American society through more oversight of Wall Street and policies to reduce income inequality. In that message comparison, Ms. Warren polled a mere four points behind Mrs. Clinton, at 31 percent to 35 percent," he said.

Schoen said that when New Hampshire residents were polled specifically about Clinton's and Warren's image and messages, Warren polled ahead of Clinton.

Clinton was described as close to Wall Street and a supporter of the Iraq war, while Warren was described as a true progressive who stands up to Wall Street. In that case, Warren polled at 47 percent compared to 42 percent for Clinton.

"Given that front-runners in primaries typically draw their highest poll numbers at the start of a race, when their name-recognition advantage is most pronounced, Mrs. Clinton's best hope would be to solidify her current support. Worst case: She suffers the same slippage she did in Iowa in 2008 when she finished a poor third after showing a resounding lead of 58 percent-12 percent over then-Sen. Obama," he wrote.

"The implications are clear. Hillary Clinton is vulnerable in the Democratic primaries, something her new adviser Joel Benenson (currently an Obama pollster who previously worked for me) is presumably in the process of finding out."

He added that his results suggest that other potential candidates who have populist messages could also narrow Clinton's current lead, such as former Virginia Sen. Jim Webb and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders.

Schoen concluded by saying, "The Democratic presidential contest could go very quickly from a foregone conclusion to a fierce contest."

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Hillary Clinton is amenable to a Congress slightly to her left. No Republican who has a credible chance of becoming President would be amenable to a Congress slightly to the right of Hillary Clinton. What may matter in this Crisis may be what forces some dynamic change in the political process.

The Republican Party has yet to repudiate the cronyism that brought America to the brink of a Second Great Depression and the militarism combined with a depraved contempt for humanity that disgraced America. A Republican President -- in fact just about any one Republican President that I could imagine -- could easily be the new James Buchanan.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


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Quote Originally Posted by pbrower2a View Post
Hillary Clinton is amenable to a Congress slightly to her left. No Republican who has a credible chance of becoming President would be amenable to a Congress slightly to the right of Hillary Clinton. What may matter in this Crisis may be what forces some dynamic change in the political process.

The Republican Party has yet to repudiate the cronyism that brought America to the brink of a Second Great Depression and the militarism combined with a depraved contempt for humanity that disgraced America. A Republican President -- in fact just about any one Republican President that I could imagine -- could easily be the new James Buchanan.
The Democrats had the opportunity and the political force in place to address those issues but didn't address them. At some point, you're going to have to grow up, take a hard look at your own party and accept the fact that your party sucks too.







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The Democrats had the opportunity and the political force in place to address those issues but didn't address them. At some point, you're going to have to grow up, take a hard look at your own party and accept the fact that your party sucks too.
The Republicans have what may be the ultimate political asset -- cash for smear campaigns late in the electoral season. Anyone who fails to believe in absolute plutocracy will find a fair fight suddenly going by rules other than those of the Marquess of Queensbury.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


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Quote Originally Posted by pbrower2a View Post
The Republicans have what may be the ultimate political asset -- cash for smear campaigns late in the electoral season. Anyone who fails to believe in absolute plutocracy will find a fair fight suddenly going by rules other than those of the Marquess of Queensbury.
And Wall Street has no money to smear Repubicans (misspelled on purpose)?







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Quote Originally Posted by XYMOX_4AD_84 View Post
And Wall Street has no money to smear Repubicans (misspelled on purpose)?
Why would Wall Street WANT to smear "Repubicans?"
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Quote Originally Posted by XYMOX_4AD_84 View Post
And Wall Street has no money to smear Repubicans (misspelled on purpose)?
"Wall Street" went with Barack Obama in 2008 when it feared a Depression as severe as that of the 1930s and left his coalition when the danger of a Second Great Depression was over. I would guess that that was the difference in the popular vote in 2008 and 2012 and 27 electoral votes even if the two states involved (Indiana and North Carolina) were not big centers of high finance.

The Koch family seems to have learned a few lessons from Fred Koch's time in the Soviet Union -- Orwellian propaganda, a cadre party, and "democratic centralism" -- while rejecting 'socialism'.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters







Post#560 at 01-29-2015 08:33 PM by Classic-X'er [at joined Sep 2012 #posts 1,789]
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Quote Originally Posted by pbrower2a View Post
The Republicans have what may be the ultimate political asset -- cash for smear campaigns late in the electoral season. Anyone who fails to believe in absolute plutocracy will find a fair fight suddenly going by rules other than those of the Marquess of Queensbury.
I'd say both parties are pretty good at smear campaigning. Hell, you have no problem smearing possible Republican candidates before they commit to running. You got to drop the D's are the angels crap.







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Both parties need to be replaced. The American People need to recognize the need for the meritocratic state, the civil-military education system and the creation of the society of friends and countrymen. Worldwide Deislamization must be recognized as a necessity and virtue, not as a vice as some posters regard the proposals.







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Quote Originally Posted by TnT View Post
Why would Wall Street WANT to smear "Repubicans?"
Republicans were more likely to say "No" to government bailouts and the stimulus than Democrats.







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Quote Originally Posted by Cynic Hero '86 View Post
Both parties need to be replaced. The American People need to recognize the need for the meritocratic state, the civil-military education system and the creation of the society of friends and countrymen. Worldwide Deislamization must be recognized as a necessity and virtue, not as a vice as some posters regard the proposals.
The Dem's are already on the path to destruction.







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Quote Originally Posted by Classic-X'er View Post
Republicans were more likely to say "No" to government bailouts and the stimulus than Democrats.
Wall Street also said "no" to those things. The Republican program IS the Wall Street program.

Vote Democratic: get free stuff! Why not soak the rich? Their wealth is ill-begotten. Give the money to people who need it. We all need it sometimes, or we might. A safety net helps everyone. Republicans can't stand to admit that this is the truth. It goes against their tradissshhhnull famla valyas.

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Quote Originally Posted by TnT View Post
Why would Wall Street WANT to smear "Repubicans?"
Currently, Wall Street supports the Democratic Party.







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Grand Old Party like it's 1999. The golden boy born of the colors is drinking from the trough. Just like his brother did in that oft sang of year before the 2000 election.
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Does anyone think America's path will follow that of Rome's and we're seeing the death throes of the Republic a La Rome circa 150-40 BC?
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Does anyone think America's path will follow that of Rome's and we're seeing the death throes of the Republic a La Rome circa 150-40 BC?
I'm beginning to think that we entered our ''Bad Caesars'' period somewhere between 1968 and 1980.







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Mitt Romney: I Won't Run in 2016
Friday, 30 Jan 2015 12:13 PM

After a three-week flirtation with a new campaign for the White House, Mitt Romney announced Friday that he will not seek the presidency in 2016.

"After putting considerable thought into making another run for president, I've decided it is best to give other leaders in the party the opportunity to become our next nominee," Romney told supporters on a conference call.

Romney's exit comes after several of his former major donors and a veteran staffer in the early voting state of Iowa defected to support former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush.

Bush and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie would have served as Romney's most likely rivals for the support of the Republican Party's establishment-minded voters.

In his call with supporters, Romney appeared to take a swipe at Bush, saying it was time for fresh leadership within the GOP.

"I believe that one of our next generation of Republican leaders, one who may not be as well-known as I am today, one who has not yet taken their message across the country, one who is just getting started, may well emerge as being better able to defeat the Democrat nominee," Romney said. "In fact, I expect and hope that to be the case."

The former governor of Massachusetts, who is 67, had jumped back into the presidential discussion on Jan. 10, when he surprised a small group of former donors at a meeting in New York by telling them he was eyeing a third run for the White House.

It was a monumental change for Romney, who since losing the 2012 election to President Barack Obama had repeatedly told all who asked that his career in politics was over and he would not again run for president.

On Friday, Romney said he had been asked if there were any circumstance under which he would again reconsider. That, he said, "seems unlikely."

"Accordingly, I'm not organizing a PAC or taking donations," he said. "I'm not hiring a campaign team."

The exit of Romney from the campaign most immediately helps those viewed as part of the party's establishment wing, including Bush, Christie, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker.

The more conservative side of the field is largely unchanged, with a group of candidates that will likely include Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, former neurosurgeon Ben Carson and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee

In the three weeks since the meeting in New York, which caught several in attendance off-guard, Romney made calls to former fundraisers, staff members and supporters, and gave three public speeches in which he outlined his potential vision for another campaign.

"I'm thinking about how I can help the country," he told hundreds of students Wednesday night at Mississippi State University.

In that speech, and what amounted to a campaign stop a few hours before at a barbecue restaurant with Mississippi State football coach Dan Mullen in tow, Romney sounded every bit like a politician preparing to run.

"We need to restore opportunity, particularly for the middle class," Romney said then. "You deserve a job that can repay all you've spent and borrowed to go to college."

But as Romney sounded out his former team about putting together a new national campaign, he discovered that several of his past fundraisers had already made plans for 2016 and were now committed to Bush.

Several key former Romney donors told The Associated Press this week that in Bush they see someone who can successfully serve as president, as they believe Romney could. But they also think Bush has the personality and senior staff needed to win the White House, something the former Massachusetts governor could not bring together in his two previous presidential campaigns.

"I've got great respect for Gov. Romney, and I busted my buns for him," said Chicago investor Craig Duchossois, whose wife contributed $250,000 to a pro-Romney super PAC while he collected tens of thousands more for Romney's last campaign. "But I have turned the page."

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Romney also lost one of his most trusted political advisers on Thursday when David Kochel joined Bush's team. Kochel, who led Romney's campaign in Iowa in 2008 and 2012, is in now line to play a senior role in Bush's campaign should he run.

Romney's decision against running clearly pained him, and he took no questions from supporters on Friday's call.

"You can't imagine how hard it is for Ann and me to step aside, especially knowing of your support and the support of so many people across the country," Romney said. "But we believe it is for the best of the party and the nation."

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Quote Originally Posted by Gianthogweed View Post
Does anyone think America's path will follow that of Rome's and we're seeing the death throes of the Republic a La Rome circa 150-40 BC?
It won't be so literally. Rome had no concept of democracy as we know it today, and it was still very much the age of conquest and empire. We have also already experienced the phase in our history that corresponds to 150-40 BC.

However, it is a possibility that our democracy is so divided today that the stalemate will make our nation ungovernable. One solution I suppose could be a more authoritarian government to keep the factions from destroying each other. But there are other possibilities, including a civil war, a non-violent break-up, a victory by the blue side (with consequent major reforms that take out the corrupting influence of money, trickle-down policies and inequality), change to a parliamentary system and prop.rep. voting, etc.

The parallel to Rome certainly extends to the de-facto American Empire in many ways. But if that's true, then the empire will continue, and so will the corporate state. On the other hand, the parallel could signify our transition to a universal state in which no ruling national authority is any longer supreme. A new global federation, or at least UN-supervised international law, could be the Rome of our time.
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Quote Originally Posted by XYMOX_4AD_84 View Post
Currently, Wall Street supports the Democratic Party.
No, the Democratic Party supports reform to the money-in-politics system and the regulation of financial markets. The Republicans (with compliant Democratic support) have already weakened these regulations, and they want to repeal Dodd-Frank and its consumer protection bureau altogether. This is because the Republicans answer to Wall Street and the Koch syndicate, and to their great lobbying efforts to overturn it. We've seen how McConnell and the Senate Republicans defer to the wishes of the Koch Brothers, and how the right-wing candidates flock to them for support.
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Quote Originally Posted by Classic-X'er View Post
The Dem's are already on the path to destruction.
Yes, if they follow the Republican program.

What amuses me is candidates like Marco Rubio are making the Democratic issue of inequality their own, and then proposing the same remedy for it that created the problem.
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
Mitt Romney: I Won't Run in 2016
Friday, 30 Jan 2015 12:13 PM

After a three-week flirtation with a new campaign for the White House, Mitt Romney announced Friday that he will not seek the presidency in 2016.

"After putting considerable thought into making another run for president, I've decided it is best to give other leaders in the party the opportunity to become our next nominee," Romney told supporters on a conference call.

Romney's exit comes after several of his former major donors and a veteran staffer in the early voting state of Iowa defected to support former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush.

Bush and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie would have served as Romney's most likely rivals for the support of the Republican Party's establishment-minded voters.

In his call with supporters, Romney appeared to take a swipe at Bush, saying it was time for fresh leadership within the GOP.

"I believe that one of our next generation of Republican leaders, one who may not be as well-known as I am today, one who has not yet taken their message across the country, one who is just getting started, may well emerge as being better able to defeat the Democrat nominee," Romney said. "In fact, I expect and hope that to be the case."

The former governor of Massachusetts, who is 67, had jumped back into the presidential discussion on Jan. 10, when he surprised a small group of former donors at a meeting in New York by telling them he was eyeing a third run for the White House.

It was a monumental change for Romney, who since losing the 2012 election to President Barack Obama had repeatedly told all who asked that his career in politics was over and he would not again run for president.

On Friday, Romney said he had been asked if there were any circumstance under which he would again reconsider. That, he said, "seems unlikely."

"Accordingly, I'm not organizing a PAC or taking donations," he said. "I'm not hiring a campaign team."

The exit of Romney from the campaign most immediately helps those viewed as part of the party's establishment wing, including Bush, Christie, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker.

The more conservative side of the field is largely unchanged, with a group of candidates that will likely include Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, former neurosurgeon Ben Carson and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee

In the three weeks since the meeting in New York, which caught several in attendance off-guard, Romney made calls to former fundraisers, staff members and supporters, and gave three public speeches in which he outlined his potential vision for another campaign.

"I'm thinking about how I can help the country," he told hundreds of students Wednesday night at Mississippi State University.

In that speech, and what amounted to a campaign stop a few hours before at a barbecue restaurant with Mississippi State football coach Dan Mullen in tow, Romney sounded every bit like a politician preparing to run.

"We need to restore opportunity, particularly for the middle class," Romney said then. "You deserve a job that can repay all you've spent and borrowed to go to college."

But as Romney sounded out his former team about putting together a new national campaign, he discovered that several of his past fundraisers had already made plans for 2016 and were now committed to Bush.

Several key former Romney donors told The Associated Press this week that in Bush they see someone who can successfully serve as president, as they believe Romney could. But they also think Bush has the personality and senior staff needed to win the White House, something the former Massachusetts governor could not bring together in his two previous presidential campaigns.

"I've got great respect for Gov. Romney, and I busted my buns for him," said Chicago investor Craig Duchossois, whose wife contributed $250,000 to a pro-Romney super PAC while he collected tens of thousands more for Romney's last campaign. "But I have turned the page."

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Romney also lost one of his most trusted political advisers on Thursday when David Kochel joined Bush's team. Kochel, who led Romney's campaign in Iowa in 2008 and 2012, is in now line to play a senior role in Bush's campaign should he run.

Romney's decision against running clearly pained him, and he took no questions from supporters on Friday's call.

"You can't imagine how hard it is for Ann and me to step aside, especially knowing of your support and the support of so many people across the country," Romney said. "But we believe it is for the best of the party and the nation."

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Indeed. The ''choice'' is between Caesar Bush III or Caesar Clinton II.

Policies: Continued Middle Eastern wars, protecting Wall Street and continued crackdown on the personal liberties of Americans. It's just going to be a matter of degrees as to how much of which we get.







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Quote Originally Posted by XYMOX_4AD_84 View Post
Currently, Wall Street supports the Democratic Party.
And, the Republicans take every opportunity to dismantle what anemic Wall Street controls that were put in place a few years ago.

Both parties have betrayed us relative to Wall Street.
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Quote Originally Posted by Classic-X'er View Post
The Dem's are already on the path to destruction.
The Republicans are already on the path to destruction.

Fixed. You are welcome.

...The Republican Party may be the route to ruin. If We the People choose a less destructive path, then the Democrats can get to establish institutions worthy of protection. If you are a conservative, then you need to establish an order worthy of preservation lest there be a need for revolution. Government that serves an effete, exclusive, rapacious, and irresponsible elite while demanding that people make continuing sacrifices on behalf of that elites eventually makes its overthrow necessary if the People are to have any happiness whatsoever.

Single-Party systems in which the ruling Party allows no internal democracy are inhuman monstrosities.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


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