Yep, they sure have.Originally Posted by TnT
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Yep, they sure have.
What was it -- Lower wages? No unions? Harsher management? Allow more pollution?
Back to the Gilded Age...
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
How about "All of the above". Especially as there are still so many for whom Wall Street and the stock market are the modern-day Golden Calf - a false God.
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There's an annual contest at Bond University, Australia, calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term:
The winning student wrote:
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
It is a possibility. But what would it take for people to cast off a representative republic for a Julius Caesar?
Before Rome became a corrupt and decadent Empire it was a corrupt and decadent republic... and for at least a century. Maybe history moves faster today.
We shall see what a family spending $889 million -- roughly eight ninths of a trillion dollars -- to buy the political process will get them. I don't expect the Koch family to secure for one of its members a crown, scepter, and throne...
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
Restorationism (or something similar) WILL BE the wave of the future. Think of a strong America united for a single purpose, where decisions can get done, and where the national well-being can progress.
Take your Fascism and shove it up your rear.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
That certainly reminded me of Ein Reich, Ein Volk, Ein Führer!
Nothing could ever bring swifter and more complete ruin -- even dissolution! -- to America than fascism. Ineffective as our political process is under gridlock, I can think of even worse -- lockstep or death, the way without conscience.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
Cynic, you could turn out to be more or less correct. Trouble is, nothing ever turns out perfectly predicted. My own personal cynicism causes me to consider that as we piss away the earth's environment and too many of its species, your model will represent the structure of the dwindling number of our species as they fight it out and then finally go extinct.
Then, and only then, Gaia can begin the millions of years of rebuilding.
" ... a man of notoriously vicious and intemperate disposition."
The sole purpose of the State is to provide for the citizenry's defense and well-being. To be legitimate any government must follow these preconditions. By not focusing on muslims with regards to the terrorist threat and trying diplomacy with our adversaries and finally the governments obsession with globalization: The government has effectively betrayed the American people over the past generation.
I admire your optimist bent.
Marx: Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Lennon: You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die.
The State under the rule of reckless, rapacious, cynical, cruel, glory-seeking leadership puts the People at gross risk of the loss of everything.
...when the rest of the world hates your political leadership, such is what is left.
On the other side of the Eurasian landmass:
The State under the rule of reckless, rapacious, cynical, cruel, glory-seeking leadership puts the People at gross risk of the loss of everything.
When a people is associated with a gangster government that shows complete disregard for human life as at the Bataan Death March and in the construction of the Burma-Thailand railroad, this is one possible consequence.
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The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
Why would the World oppose a Restorationist America pbrower? In my opinion the international community would rally around our forces, being relieved that someone is finally doing something about the Islamist scourge. What if terror attacks escalate and terrorists succeed in acquiring and deploying wmd attacks, in such a scenario The world would accept the general pacification of the middle east in order to ensure a definite cleaning up of the islamist scourge. This is an enemy that if left unchecked could surpass the Nazis in destructive ability. The vassalization of Latin America would also be carried out in order to ensure that those nations do not fall into the wrong hands or be used as springboards by anti-civilization forces from the middle east and elsewhere. Latin America would join our forces and provide armies for use in the pacification of the middle east, Restorationist Latin America in terms of the control by America and the proposed Anglophone union would be similar to eastern Europe from 1944/45 to 1989. With regards to the pacification of the middle east, as mentioned before the Mideast would be reorganized into military administrative governorships with settlement zones and settlement cities although construction of these proposed cities would be carried out by Arab Muslim Labor. Also a previously neglected aspect would be the arrival of what I refer to as "entrepreneurial elites" would would be regular people of various original national, ethnic, political and economic backgrounds who would receive land acquisitions and be provided with work details of consisting of Arab Muslim labor and detachments of "armed supervisors" who would provide security for the granted holdings and ensure the productivity of the labor pool of each specified landholding. This would be the organization at the local level. The armed supervisor detachments would report to the individual "entrepreneurial elite" who in turn is responsible for achieving production quotas specified by the Restorationist state; A percentage of production would be shipped to the newly built administrative cities with a percentage also being shipped back to the Americas. In the vast regions where land is not assigned to an "entrepreneurial elite" a native ethnic supervisor would be assigned to that area (albeit supervised by an American or sometimes a Latin American magistrate), the native supervisor would have the same job of ensuring production targets and sending quotas to the administrative cities and/or to the Americas. That is the economic aspects of the general pacification of the middle east: this will all have the goal of creating a Defensive Glacis a giant "March Land" in the Mideast and North Africa which would serve as a protective barrier for Anglophone and Hispanic/Latin civilization as a permanent Defensive zone against Asia. As for Europe Russia and china and elsewhere, where are you getting the notion that a Restorationist America would be seen as a threat to world peace? If Islamists become a major threat, Europe would have likely been attacked by them, therefore Europe would likely be sending contingents to assist in the general pacification of the middle east. With regard to Russia, the proposed Restorationist program includes a large-scale enlargement of the military both in size and capability, therefore America will be much more able to deter Russia than it is at the present. China would largely be the same as Russia on this subject although Chinese economic strength and its potential translation into military capability makes it more problematic long-term for the US; if worst comes to worst, china would simply be bought off by being given Taiwan and various disputed maritime territories immediately adjacent to the Chinese mainland. So therefore the rest of the world would have joined our side or at least remained neutral in the proposed Restorationist program.
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I find it amazing how much scared little people are willing to give up over the tiniest of threats.
Get a life.
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LOL!! I don't get that much!I admire your optimist bent.
" ... a man of notoriously vicious and intemperate disposition."
I am not surprised about fear bringing out the worst in people. Governments use fear as a means of excusing their worst behavior -- fear slave revolts, the Jews, fear anarchists, fear reactionaries and "wreckers" (the Soviet Union under Stalin), fear Commies, fear blacks, fear the other ethnic group, fear Islam...
In a Crisis Era even a healthy community has plenty of genuine dangers to have any need for unfounded fear. When we all face the same peril we need not see our neighbor as suspect as a foreign agent. As FDR put it in his first inaugural address:
"the only thing we have to fear is...fear itself — nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance. In every dark hour of our national life a leadership of frankness and of vigor has met with that understanding and support of the people themselves which is essential to victory. And I am convinced that you will again give that support to leadership in these critical days."
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
Back on topic: This is now Clinton's to lose. Warren appears to be standing down. And there is really no one else to be taken seriously, on the Dem side. Meanwhile, GOP-land is a complete circus. You have Christie and now Paul bloviating about long-ago-disproven conspiracy theories regarding vaccines. And then there Brother-of-Shrub. What a freakin' joke. Rubio may be a last ray of hope for the GOP, but he would have a tough row to hoe to make it all the way. And against Clinton ... I just don't think so.
So there you have it, the fix is in.
It does conform with the gray champion model and would give us the only credible current candidate with geopolitical gravitas.
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Don't underestimate Jeb on the GOP side. With regards to the Dems they should try to find a better candidate than Clinton. One who could appeal more to Millies, the Working Class and Minorities.
Let's not forget the increasing number of Boomer retirees with nothing but time on their hands. Huge turn outs from that demographic.
Both Bush and Clinton can be slammed by an outsider, if we're in an outsider mood. Scott Walker comes to mind. He's youngish and popular, in his own way. That. and he's a Blue State Republican.
He's not alone in that camp either.
Marx: Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Lennon: You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die.
I doubt that Walker, who has only won elections in low turnout off year elections would hold up well under national media scrutiny. But even if the investigations of possible scandals goes nowhere, there's always the swiftboating Bush machine at the ready once the primaries get close.
And they will.
Of course, Clinton can then out-swiftboat Booosh. Game over.
Oh, it will be ugly---both ways.
If you wonder why Mitt Romney dropped out of the Presidential race for 2016:
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-e...ReleaseID=2130
Maybe he saw it coming.
Florida
Clinton 50%
Romney 37%
Ohio
Clinton 49%
Romney 37%
Pennsylvania
Clinton 53%
Romney 36%
FLOP! (I would use that acronym for those states. I doubt that Oklahoma or Oregon , neither of which should be interesting in 2016). You can imagine what acronym I would use for the combination Wisconsin-Michigan-Pennsylvania.
Mitt Romney sees himself losing before anyone else in the GOP sees himself losing.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
And he also knows that he would face the Bush dynasty reclaiming a role that they consider their own. As it was for his father, and older brother, the golden troughs of GOP grand old money are scheduled to soon fill for Jeb.
