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Post#101 at 06-02-2015 09:37 PM by princeofcats67 [at joined Jan 2010 #posts 1,995]
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Quote Originally Posted by Classic-X'er View Post
Careful, PB might have to have you banned for using such threatening language. Personally, I wouldn't waste an expensive guided munition on a boat full of anarchosocialists and wannabe socialists.
Yeah, too much of a waste of energy.
I'm reasonably certain they'll just end-up
'taking care' of each other, anyway.

Problem solved!


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Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
I don't think that you quite understand. You will, in time. Give it, ah, a decade.
I understand completely. I've experienced similar threats and wishful comments directed at me during the Bush years. I'll give it two decades.







Post#103 at 06-02-2015 09:54 PM by Classic-X'er [at joined Sep 2012 #posts 1,789]
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Quote Originally Posted by princeofcats67 View Post
Yeah, too much of a waste of energy.
I'm reasonably certain they'll just end-up
'taking care' of each other, anyway.

Problem solved!


Prince
How and the hell are they going "take care" of each other without being able to take our money?







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Quote Originally Posted by Classic-X'er View Post
How and the hell are they going "take care" of each other without being able to take our money?
Maybe they don't want your money. Maybe they just want theirs back.
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Post#105 at 06-02-2015 10:57 PM by princeofcats67 [at joined Jan 2010 #posts 1,995]
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Quote Originally Posted by Classic-X'er View Post
How and the hell are they going "take care" of each other without being able to take our money?
Well, first-off, I wanna say that I'm generally not into 'the stuff'.
I'm more interested in family, friends, 'peace of mind', etc.
And, you can't take it with you, so ...

But, to answer your question more directly, I'd say that IMO/IME, and historically-speaking,
people who are more interested in whining about what they don't have, as opposed to being
grateful for what they actually do have, are seldom(if ever!) 'satisfied'. So, my advice is to
steer clear of those type of people and they'll end-up 'taking care' of themselves. And, if
you're lucky, maybe by even 'eating' each other. No mess. Problem solved!


Prince

PS: Plus, I believe that, as a generation, The Boom is more 'loaded' $$$-wise than Gen-X.

IOW: An Xer and a Boomer are camping when a bear suddenly comes out and growls.
The Xer starts putting on his tennis shoes. The Boomer says, “What are you doing? You can’t outrun a bear!”
And, the Xer says, “I don’t have to outrun the bear—I just have to outrun you!” !
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Post#106 at 06-02-2015 11:22 PM by nihilist moron [at joined Jul 2014 #posts 1,230]
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Quote Originally Posted by princeofcats67 View Post
But, to answer your question more directly, I'd say that IMO/IME, and historically-speaking,
people who are more interested in whining about what they don't have, as opposed to being
grateful for what they actually do have, are seldom(if ever!) 'satisfied'. So, my advice is to
steer clear of those type of people and they'll end-up 'taking care' of themselves. And, if
you're lucky, maybe by even 'eating' each other. No mess. Problem solved!
They end up destroying themselves as well as each other.
So yes, best to steer clear.
Nobody ever got to a single truth without talking nonsense fourteen times first.
- Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment







Post#107 at 06-02-2015 11:42 PM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Quote Originally Posted by nihilist moron View Post
I guess money and material wealth aren't the most important things in life for some people.
What a strange concept!
Anyone who so arranges his life so that material gain and indulgence are the pole star of existence is a fool -- especially in a 4T, when people can easily lose everything. There will be wars and persecutions, even in unlikely places and to unlikely people. Family and community can easily prove far more precious. It may be wiser to collect memories than to collect coins, antiques, jewels, or stamps. Bank balances? Governments can wipe those out with a few computer keystrokes today.

Governments and militias are the worst possible thieves. Just think of what happened to Germany's model minority from 1933 to 1945.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters







Post#108 at 06-02-2015 11:47 PM by nihilist moron [at joined Jul 2014 #posts 1,230]
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Quote Originally Posted by pbrower2a View Post
Governments and militias are the worst possible thieves. Just think of what happened to Germany's model minority from 1933 to 1945.
Yeah man, the worst thing that happened to them was that they lost all their money!
Nobody ever got to a single truth without talking nonsense fourteen times first.
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Post#109 at 06-03-2015 12:02 AM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Quote Originally Posted by nihilist moron View Post
Yeah man, the worst thing that happened to them was that they lost all their money!
Many refused to leave rather than sign over everything that they had to a Nazi thief in exchange for exit visas and fare elsewhere for their families. Understandable.

I suggest that people learn to travel light. One never knows who the pariahs will be this time.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters







Post#110 at 06-03-2015 12:29 AM by nihilist moron [at joined Jul 2014 #posts 1,230]
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Quote Originally Posted by pbrower2a View Post
Many refused to leave rather than sign over everything that they had to a Nazi thief in exchange for exit visas and fare elsewhere for their families. Understandable.

I suggest that people learn to travel light. One never knows who the pariahs will be this time.
As usual, I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
For that, I am grateful.
Nobody ever got to a single truth without talking nonsense fourteen times first.
- Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment







Post#111 at 06-03-2015 12:38 AM by Ragnarök_62 [at Oklahoma joined Nov 2006 #posts 5,511]
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Quote Originally Posted by princeofcats67 View Post
Then again, maybe trying to sift through some 'fantasy narrative' that apparently 'feels right'
to a bunch of MBTI-INTPs on this message board is just beyond my current level of interest. <cool>
You Rang?

I just thought of a good one.

As such.

1962 = Year of the tiger. A tiger is a big cat. If Prince of Cats ~= Prince Of Tigers, we get POT!




PS:

1962 = #1 in high school potheads per S&H. That means the circle closes. So yeah, it feels right because all of the logical connections are in place.
MBTI step II type : Expressive INTP

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The winning student wrote:

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."







Post#112 at 06-03-2015 08:33 AM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Quote Originally Posted by nihilist moron View Post
As usual, I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
For that, I am grateful.
Many Jews thought Hitler a flash in the pan as a menace.

"We have outlasted worse before".
"We really are Germans by culture".
"Religious bigotry is outmoded in the modern, sophisticated, civilized world".
"They need us if the economy is to work well".
"No evil lasts forever".
"Even Hitler can come to his senses".
"Things will be OK for us once Hitler is defeated in war".
"Churchill and Roosevelt will deliver us".
"Why give up on capitalism?"
"When they get to know us a little more they won't believe that $#!+ in Der Stuermer."
"Do you really want to go to Bolshevik Russia?"


...except that Hitler never came to his senses about the Jews, this was all true.

................................

For good reason, most of America's 'model minorities' vote heavily Democratic despite having economic cause to be conservatives.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters







Post#113 at 06-03-2015 02:03 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by nihilist moron View Post
As usual, I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
For that, I am grateful.
My answer to your snark remark (which was an answer to me) should have settled anything and everything in this chain of conversation.
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Post#114 at 06-03-2015 02:06 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
I'd like to put all of the anarchocapitalist Gen X'ers onto a boat in the middle of Lake Ontario - for surely you could fit them all on one - and drop a guided munition onto it.

The time for dialogue with them is past. Stop jeopardizing the future of my generation.
Sounds like a good program

They only like to exchange snark with one another anyway. Not much of a dialogue.
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Post#115 at 06-03-2015 02:11 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by B Butler View Post
Well, some people think Jesus and guns are important. It isn't that much of a stretch to understand either. I do have trouble picturing Jesus with a gun.
That would be hard to do. Or even a sword or whatever Romans used on each other back them.

Although he did say he was "bringing a sword."

Matthew 10:34:

34"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35"For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW;…

But he didn't say "pick up a sword and use it on your father, etc." It was a figure of speech; following Jesus' ideas and message would mean conflicts with authorities at home used to the old ways. Seen in that way, Jesus was really on the Left, not the Right which upholds the old ways and family authorities.
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Post#116 at 06-03-2015 02:46 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by B Butler View Post
Well, some people think Jesus and guns are important. It isn't that much of a stretch to understand either. I do have trouble picturing Jesus with a gun.
Hey, if those people can imagine this -





what possibly would stop them from assuming Jesus didn't go anywhere without his Glock???



It's a values lock.
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Post#117 at 06-03-2015 02:59 PM by nihilist moron [at joined Jul 2014 #posts 1,230]
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
My answer to your snark remark (which was an answer to me) should have settled anything and everything in this chain of conversation.
No idea WTF you're talking about either.
Nobody ever got to a single truth without talking nonsense fourteen times first.
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Post#118 at 06-03-2015 03:33 PM by Kinser79 [at joined Jun 2012 #posts 2,897]
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Quote Originally Posted by nihilist moron View Post
No idea WTF you're talking about either.
The funny thing is that he doesn't either. PB does sometimes but usually doesn't. Eric almost never knows what he's talking about, he just thinks he knows especially when we are dealing with anything other than new age clap-trap or astrology nonsense, what he's talking about which IMHO is worse.







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Quote Originally Posted by Kinser79 View Post
The funny thing is that he doesn't either. PB does sometimes but usually doesn't. Eric almost never knows what he's talking about, he just thinks he knows especially when we are dealing with anything other than new age clap-trap or astrology nonsense, what he's talking about which IMHO is worse.
I would disagree. I believe most people participating in this "conversation" (using a very loose sense of the word) have well thought out world views and values. They are just so distinct from one another that people sometimes can't and perhaps more often don't want to figure the other guy out. I am sure this exchange of stereotypes, insults and misunderstanding is somehow supporting of everybody's self-worth. Pardon if I don't indulge much.

I have found it vaguely insulting and impolite, when seeing someone do something vaguely stupid or funny, to throw out a group stereotype. I wouldn't mutter "blondes" or "Lithuanians" or "Xers." I say "humans" and assume a smug superior air.







Post#120 at 06-03-2015 04:35 PM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Quote Originally Posted by Kinser79 View Post
The funny thing is that he doesn't either. PB does sometimes but usually doesn't. Eric almost never knows what he's talking about, he just thinks he knows especially when we are dealing with anything other than new age clap-trap or astrology nonsense, what he's talking about which IMHO is worse.
I doubt that any of us is fully versed in any topic other that the one(s) we chose to pursue diligently. In most cases, that's our professions, and, perhaps, a serious hobby or two. Outside of those parameters, we're discussing things that interest us, but only as amateurs.

FWIW, I come here for enjoyment and lively exchanges that might be enlightening, but are fully satisfactory if they merely entertain me. Almost everyone on the forum, now and in the past, is bright and interesting, so that's never been a problem. I just hope no one is using the forum as a MOOC.
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Post#121 at 06-03-2015 04:40 PM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Quote Originally Posted by B Butler View Post
I would disagree. I believe most people participating in this "conversation" (using a very loose sense of the word) have well thought out world views and values. They are just so distinct from one another that people sometimes can't and perhaps more often don't want to figure the other guy out. I am sure this exchange of stereotypes, insults and misunderstanding is somehow supporting of everybody's self-worth. Pardon if I don't indulge much.

I have found it vaguely insulting and impolite, when seeing someone do something vaguely stupid or funny, to throw out a group stereotype. I wouldn't mutter "blondes" or "Lithuanians" or "Xers." I say "humans" and assume a smug superior air.
An excellent approach.
Marx: Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Lennon: You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die.







Post#122 at 06-03-2015 05:02 PM by nihilist moron [at joined Jul 2014 #posts 1,230]
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Quote Originally Posted by Kinser79 View Post
The funny thing is that he doesn't either. PB does sometimes but usually doesn't. Eric almost never knows what he's talking about, he just thinks he knows especially when we are dealing with anything other than new age clap-trap or astrology nonsense, what he's talking about which IMHO is worse.
I think I figured out which post Eric was talking about, but I have no idea why it should have settled anything.
With pb, it's all non sequiturs, can't even begin to figure out how his replies apply to my posts.
It IS sort of funny, isn't it.
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
... Although he did say he was "bringing a sword."

Matthew 10:34:

34"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35"For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW; …
Wow. I just read your quoted bible passage. Nasty shit, isn't it? Can anyone wonder, when reading a lot of the stuff in the bible, how some of us have become so opposed to religious doctrine?
" ... a man of notoriously vicious and intemperate disposition."







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I write "walls of text"? I can't even light a candle to this forum's dominant left-liberal Boomers in that department.
You have nothing better to do than starts fights on this board. Every time I visit here it's always the same fight over and over again.

And "hateful opinions"? I guess if you consider the likes of FDR, Frances Perkins, Mike Royko, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, and John Lindsay to be "hateful" ...

I consider your pointless stereotypes hate inspired. Why are hateful toward the left? Why do you hate them?


In any event, thanks for vindicating me: It is "hardhats" like me that all you left-liberals, "movement conservatives," and libertarians all fear and loathe far more than you fear and loathe one another.
I don't fear anything, I just think you are wasting your time.

You have nothing better to do than start fights with other people. I don't care what your politics are. You're just irritating the hell out of everyone. I barely come here anymore because I know there's going to be a liberal v conservative fight somewhere. Likely started by you. Did you even expect an open discussion here?

What are you a child? Grow up!

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The middle class isn't the problem. Middle income today is roughly $50,000 for a family of four. But even the $200,000 crowd shouldn't be an issue. The real issue is the state of the economy that allows employers to treat their employees like shit. Fixing that requires jobs, and lots of them. Once the employee is in demand, the treatment improves, or she leaves for other opportunities ... but not before.
Yeah they really are the problem. They have this entitlement complex. They expect to have everything handed to them thanks to their upbringing. The rest of us who actually work for it (and not just sitting in an office space answering phones), never seem to get it.
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