Bernie 4 Prez anybody?
According to S&H the Silents have yet to produce a President, infact they are the only cohort group that hasn't (along with the colonial groups) Several Silents have run, none have been elected. Now along comes Bernie, crowds turn out to hear him speak, but.... can he turn those crowds into votes? Bernie is a War Baby, so he is probably the Silents last hurrah. But could he be the Silents 1st (& likely only) Prez? What do you think?
I don't think a self-identified socialist is going to get wide-stream appeal anytime soon.
I'd be down with President Sanders, but it's not going to happen.
Nah. He makes too much sense.
We're into batshit crazy in our country right now.
" ... a man of notoriously vicious and intemperate disposition."
I'm voting for Bernie in the primaries and seeing where it goes from there.
I would disagree. While the word "socialist" is scary to Boomers and older Xers, younger Xers and Millies don't seem to care about that label, in fact many I've met actually apply it to themselves. I don't think it would be a problem except with the old people.Originally Posted by chrono117
Because Hillary has already been anointed? If he makes it out of the primaries and gets the nomination and doesn't pick a moron for VP he should win baring the GOP finding someone who isn't insane to run.
Should the GOP find someone kinda sane to run, he has a 50/50 shot.
Perhaps
Me too.
As a side note I voted for Kucinich several times in the primaries too. My only problem with that is his veganism really.
Last edited by Kinser79; 06-24-2015 at 07:26 AM.
I agree, and suspect many others do as well. Unfortunately, that will not translate into enough votes to make him viable.
Marx: Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Lennon: You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die.
A lot of truth here too. Eventually, that will change, but not this election cycle.
Marx: Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Lennon: You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die.
As we've seen with a Black man, whether a woman or a Socialist, they'll be deemed as "The Other" by the amygdala-dominated and treated with exactly the same just-say-no intransigence.
What's important is that it is a non-GOPer in the WH to backfill the SCOTUS with a moderate-enough Liberal judge to avoid a revolt in the Senate.
Other than that, 2016 is all about the Senate majority.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service
Its not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. Its much more akin to printing money. - B.Bernanke
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If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
Sad to say, so it appears.
I'd like to see Cynthia Mckinney run again, but Bernie Sanders will do!
I am a Democratic Socialist, having long since given up on the Democratic and Republican parties. So at first glance, when Bernie Sanders announced that he is running for president in 2016, his economic proposals seem to offer some hope for real reform. However, the fact that he is running as a Democrat virtually guarantees that his candidacy will be a dead end. He will succeed only in pushing Hillary Clinton's rhetoric, not actual policy, to the left. She will co-opt some of his more palatable campaign promises, and discard the more substantive ones as soon as she has secured the nomination, which with her billion-dollar war chest she almost certainly will. His "socialist" credentials leave much to be desired at any rate. His voting record on war authorizations and funding betrays a militarism that true socialists, like the late Martin Luther King, would morally reject out of hand. In his favor he has the right message on such issues as income inequality, but he is the wrong messenger at the wrong time. He is too old, I fear, to mobilize the passions of a young electorate (i.e., Millennials) behind real reform. The anti-system parties that have gained favor in beleaguered Greece (Syriza) and Spain (Podemos) are spearheaded by much younger politicians, Alexis Tsipris (40) and Pablo Iglesias (36), respectively. Nor is the 4T crisis in our country sufficiently dire to give a democratic socialist, regardless of age, a fighting chance at displacing our corporate duopoly. Barring another financial meltdown between now and then, 2016 does not strike me as a change election. That is more likely to occur in 2020.
Now if everyone who is saying that would just vote for him in the primaries...
Those words, "temperate and moderate", are words either of political cowardice, or of cunning, or seduction. A thing, moderately good, is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper, is always a virtue; but moderation in principle, is a species of vice.
'82 - Once & always independent
Wow! We got some Bernie supporters here. Cool!
I'm not geeky enough to post quotes from multiple replies so I hope y'all don't mind if I reply to your comments without the quotes.
1st Lady Vagina- I voted for Cynthia when she ran back in 2008. I just luv her.
Kinzer 79- of course I voted for my homeboy Dennis. He would of been an awesome Prez. But I think he was ahead of his time, ppl weren't ready to hear what he had to say. But now I think they are, especially after this TPP screwing. Over @ Nation of Change they are talking about a sea change. I dunno, it may be too soon to tell, but if there is a true sea change that could be why Bernie's getting traction. I agree, if he keeps talking about TPP & jobs & stuff, then he has a chance. Question is will the Demo screw him over is he wins their primaries? He's not really a Dem, he's just running as one so he can get in their debates & get electoral votes. I know purists think he's selling out, but he sez he's in this to win & I want him to win too & in order for him to do that he needs electoral votes.
Kinzer & Teacher- I saw an article, again I think it was Nation of Change, & Bernie's demographics are pretty much a cross the board: young ppl(both male & female) & older men. The only group that is shaky are the older women, bcuz of Hillary. But there were replies in the comment section saying stuff like "this older woman supports Bernie" etc....
Like others have said, we all need to get out & vote for him
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If so, that wouldn't be the first time younger Xer's draw a distinct line and say 1961-1964 folks are
either behaving different or even more common are statements stating Jonesers aren't even Xer's, but rather Boomers trying to escape the label.
Dunno. I'll be choosing him in the primaries. He's a rare breed in that he's a politician who doesn't pander, waffle around, etc. People of conviction deserve my vote.younger Xers and Millies don't seem to care about that label, in fact many I've met actually apply it to themselves. I don't think it would be a problem except with the old people.
Rand Paul is the only Republican worth a mention. He's got it right wrt social issures but the economic stuff is way out of whack. If only he could "get" the notion of natural monopolies and externality costs like pollution , along with market failure then he could redo his economic policy. I fail to see how any of the above could contradict Libertarian economics.Because Hillary has already been anointed? If he makes it out of the primaries and gets the nomination and doesn't pick a moron for VP he should win baring the GOP finding someone who isn't insane to run.
Here's how it works out.
Natural monopolies say roads can't ever have competition.
Market failure is when the demand for a good or service can't send a proper price signal. Healthcare is a big example. If you get sick , you have no option to pay or not to pay.
External costs should be so damn easy I'm surprised it isn't there already. Pollution would be classified as a tort in that it violates other folks' property rights. I own my body and ground level ozone does damage. That's a tort. In theory, if I were subject to ground level ozone, I'd have the right to sue those who generate it.
Noam Chomsky gets it for example.
Rand Paul is your half baked person. The others are utter clowns.Should the GOP find someone kinda sane to run, he has a 50/50 shot.
I liked him also. I didn't notice the vegetarianism. Extreme vegetarianism doesn't mesh well with my diet also. I eat a lot of yoghourt and have occasional BBQ. I know BBQ is carcinogenic because of PAH's. If the total amount of PAH exposure isn't too high, it isn't a problem because the body has mechanisms to detox them. Forest/brush fires make lots of them, as do volcanoes. It's only when you get weird man made variants with chlorine atoms that problems happen. Dioxin, DDT, and 2-4-D are examples. The do more of their damage via endocrine disruption.As a side note I voted for Kucinich several times in the primaries too. My only problem with that is his veganism really.
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MBTI step II type : Expressive INTP
There's an annual contest at Bond University, Australia, calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term:
The winning student wrote:
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
But if 1961-1964 folks - or even 1958-1964 folks - don't identify with what is currently on display in the NBC-TV series Aquarius, then they don't deserve the label.
Dunno. I'll be choosing him in the primaries. He's a rare breed in that he's a politician who doesn't pander, waffle around, etc. People of conviction deserve my vote.
Rand Paul is the only Republican worth a mention. He's got it right wrt social issures but the economic stuff is way out of whack. If only he could "get" the notion of natural monopolies and externality costs like pollution , along with market failure then he could redo his economic policy. I fail to see how any of the above could contradict Libertarian economics.
I prefer Jim Webb's convictions - and I will vote for him if he does formally enter the race.
Noam Chomsky gets it for example.
I call Chomsky "The Kapo." He's an even bigger self-hating Jew than George Soros' father was.
Rand Paul is your half baked person. The others are utter clowns.
Rick Santorum would be even less damaging than Rand Paul on taxes. Mike Huckabee and Ben Carson would do the most harm.
But maybe if the putative Robin Hoods stopped trying to take from law-abiding citizens and give to criminals, take from men and give to women, take from believers and give to anti-believers, take from citizens and give to "undocumented" immigrants, and take from heterosexuals and give to homosexuals, they might have a lot more success in taking from the rich and giving to everyone else.
Don't blame me - I'm a Baby Buster!
Well, I can say I think some of Eric's stuff comprises things I don't identify with. Chakras and horoscope predictions are bit out of kilter. He may or not be correct, but I've had weird stuff like OBE's and precognition. So, when Eric says stuff wrt horoscopes, who am I to dismiss it? As per your .sig my guess is baby buster ~= "Joneser" and 1958-1964 is exactly "Joneser".We're too young for Woodstock and too old for Mosh Pits. , generally.
If he tosses his hat in the ring, sure , I'll have a look see.I prefer Jim Webb's convictions - and I will vote for him if he does formally enter the race.
I just ignore personal peccadilloes for the most part unless they lead to conflicts of interests. His foreign policy record is what I'm more interested in. As for peccadilloes, Bill Clinton's "BlowGate" was a petty distraction for me.I call Chomsky "The Kapo." He's an even bigger self-hating Jew than George Soros' father was.I don't Hollande over in France gets much heat for that sort of thing.
Yup, like I said, his economic policies are way off base as currently presented. I'd fit more into the left Libertarian part of the political compass. Noam Chomsky is there as well.Rick Santorum would be even less damaging than Rand Paul on taxes. Mike Huckabee and Ben Carson would do the most harm.
MBTI step II type : Expressive INTP
There's an annual contest at Bond University, Australia, calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term:
The winning student wrote:
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
I think the Rebel Flag blew whatever presidential aspirations Webb may have had out of the water.
Do you something I don't know?
Has Webb defended the flag?
But maybe if the putative Robin Hoods stopped trying to take from law-abiding citizens and give to criminals, take from men and give to women, take from believers and give to anti-believers, take from citizens and give to "undocumented" immigrants, and take from heterosexuals and give to homosexuals, they might have a lot more success in taking from the rich and giving to everyone else.
Don't blame me - I'm a Baby Buster!
I'll vote for him, provided he's still in the race by the time Virginia holds its primaries.
I want people to know that peace is possible even in this stupid day and age. Prem Rawat, June 8, 2008
Me too. If not, I'll cast a protest vote of some sort.
Marx: Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Lennon: You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die.
I like his position on fusils. And, anyone would improve on Jeb? or the S.W.O.T.E. even Mr. Neil Young's friend the Trumpeteer.
you're being sarcastic right? Bcuz Neil Young don't like the Donald. But he does like Bernie
Back in 1976 Public TV presented a debate of the non-major canidates which was very interesting. Had I been able to vote (I was 17) I would have voted for Frank Zieldler, the Socialist, who had been mayor of my hometown when I was born. In 1980 I voted third party and since then I have always voted major party so as to not serve as a spoiler. I liked Frank because he made sense and none of the other candidates did. One time since then I voted for someone who made sense (making sense earns a lot of points with me). Jesse jackson made sense in 1988 and so I voted for him in the primary. Bernie makes sense so I want to vote for him. The other option is to vote in the GOP primary like I did last time (I voted for Santorum in a failed attempt to rat fuck Mittens). The GOP field is so similar that I don't think any rat-fucking is necessary, but most of these guys will probably be gone by the the time of the MI primary, and I may decide the Republicans need some rat-fucking. If not then I'll probably vote for Bernie. I have no problem with Clinton, she is a more-than-acceptable-Democrat in my book and loads better than any Republican. It's just that she has a decent shot at the presidency and as such she cannot afford to make sense*.
Curiously even Republicans who have no chance still insist on talking the exact same nonsense the major candidates do. Why, they have to know they aren't going to win, so why sound like a clone of the frontrunners?
*If you make sense people can get an idea what you are about and you risk alienating people who may not agree with you, whereas if what you say is meaningless potential voters will project what they want to hear on you and you get more votes.
