Originally Posted by B Butler

Sounds like the old "Peace through Superior Firepower" concept. The NRA will no doubt be sending you opportunities to donate to the cause.

The problem of peace is of course much messier than this exchange of ad-homiums.

I'm already a member of the NRA.

Also calling Eric an ignoramus is not an ad hominum. He really is an ignoramus and therefore that is merely a statement of fact.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

I haven't voted for a Democrat for president since 1992. Whatcha thin' of dat, dude?

I think that you threw away your votes then due to the Electorial Collage.

And omelets are cooked with more fire. Meanwhile, no chickens are hatched. So, no life; no peace. Just more stuff for the oppressors to eat.

Sometimes, in our times, some violence may be needed to enforce laws. But lawless violence is another matter.

When making an omelet one must decide if they need more chickens or need an omelet more.

So you support violence in the suppression of justice (which is what we have currently) over violence to bring justice (what I want). How typical of a privileged white boomer.

Well, maybe-- if it occupied you as well while you watched me, in admiration (or contempt).

Not going to happen. I can think of better uses of flowers than putting them in what remains of your hair.

Truth is truth. But no, I can't force it on you. I have offered my services to you as doctor of truth. But, I will have to charge you a bundle, since your over-heated amygdala will require special cooling equipment, plus I'll need an inspector to strip-search you for weapons and bombs. It IS a dangerous proposition for a wise healer like myself to counsel an admitted terrorist.

Truth is truth I agree, but you have no truth to offer so I do not need your services. If I wanted to be scammed I'd go and deal with NOI. As to my amygdala Playwrite uses that attack vector more accurately than you do. I've been combating you with my frontal lobes the whole time. I'm not responding to you on an emotional level. The fact that you cannot recognize this bodes well for me.

Originally Posted by Kinser79

I'm already a member of the NRA.

Actually called that one right, then.

Originally Posted by Kinser79

Also calling Eric an ignoramus is not an ad hominum. He really is an ignoramus and therefore that is merely a statement of fact.

You are still attacking the man. Very tempting, I know. Almost irresistible. Constructive towards the understanding of any issue? Not so much.

Originally Posted by Kinser79

I think that you threw away your votes then due to the Electorial Collage.

In California? Hardly, son.

When making an omelet one must decide if they need more chickens or need an omelet more.

So you support violence in the suppression of justice (which is what we have currently) over violence to bring justice (what I want). How typical of a privileged white boomer.

I'm privileged with an understanding of justice.

Not going to happen. I can think of better uses of flowers than putting them in what remains of your hair.

Well, you could put them in your own hair.

Truth is truth I agree, but you have no truth to offer so I do not need your services. If I wanted to be scammed I'd go and deal with NOI. As to my amygdala Playwrite uses that attack vector more accurately than you do. I've been combating you with my frontal lobes the whole time. I'm not responding to you on an emotional level. The fact that you cannot recognize this bodes well for me.

Just because you don't recognize your amygdala doesn't mean you don't have one. Remember, you never look within, so you have no idea who or what you are.

Originally Posted by B Butler

Actually called that one right, then.

I probably have stated that I'm a member of the NRA before. I don't find it something to be ashamed of. Of course I'm also not a white liberal boomer. I'm a black Marxist-Leninist Xer who views owning weapons as absolutely necessary.

Originally Posted by Dead Prez

Keep your family living healthy, teach your children 'bout their blackness,
Teach your wifey how to use the ratchet, this shit is classic,

I can post the song link if you like. It is one of my favorites.

You are still attacking the man. Very tempting, I know. Almost irresistible. Constructive towards the understanding of any issue? Not so much.

It is incredibly tempting, not to mention fun. Mocking him is almost as fun as sex. Seriously. That said, understanding this or any other issue is quite simple. When Eric is wrong he is often hopelessly wrong and writes his own refutation which is apparent to anyone who thinks on the subject for five seconds.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

In California? Hardly, son.

Yeah in California voting in general is probably a waste of time anyway since the 54 electoral votes are going to the Democrat anyway. You do know how the Electoral Collage works right? I mean if you don't then perhaps you should school yourself on the Constitution.

I'm privileged with an understanding of justice.

You don't understand justice. If you did you would understand that for non-violent resistance to work there has to be the threat of violent resistance. MLK got what he wanted because Malcolm X was alive. You have the understanding of a privileged white liberal...not much understanding at all.

Well, you could put them in your own hair.

Actually I can't, it would damage my dreads which took me years to grow out. I'd happily put some flower scented wax in my hair though...I will have to ask my sister about that though she's the hair dresser in the family.

Just because you don't recognize your amygdala doesn't mean you don't have one. Remember, you never look within, so you have no idea who or what you are.

I don't need to look within to know where and what my amygala is or what it is for. A brain scan will suffice. In fact I'm more likely to find it with a 5 minute cat scan than with hours of "meditation".

Originally Posted by Kinser79

I probably have stated that I'm a member of the NRA before. I don't find it something to be ashamed of. Of course I'm also not a white liberal boomer. I'm a black Marxist-Leninist Xer who views owning weapons as absolutely necessary.

Also a good position to be in when the Revolution comes, I suppose -- I figure you would be the one to check the membership list against Communists and fellow-travelers, with NRA members not on lists of leftists getting to the "joy camps" for re-education. No, Milton, Goethe, and Dostoevsky will not be on the curriculum there.

Originally Posted by pbrower2a

Also a good position to be in when the Revolution comes, I suppose -- I figure you would be the one to check the membership list against Communists and fellow-travelers, with NRA members not on lists of leftists getting to the "joy camps" for re-education. No, Milton, Goethe, and Dostoevsky will not be on the curriculum there.

Browder you are not usually full of word salad like Eric is. Your statement can be read two ways. Checking the NRA's lists for leftists needing re-education. Or checking the NRA's lists for NRA members needing re-education. The latter is preferable to the former.

As for "joy camps" there are many who need to be made more joyful. Our society is decadent and that decadence must be cut out much like a cancer to save the body politic.

Originally Posted by Kinser79

Browder you are not usually full of word salad like Eric is. Your statement can be read two ways. Checking the NRA's lists for leftists needing re-education. Or checking the NRA's lists for NRA members needing re-education. The latter is preferable to the former.

That's what I thought you would say -- poring over NRA memberships for persons in need of 're-education'. Infiltration is part of the revolutionary preparation. Know the enemy!

As for "joy camps" there are many who need to be made more joyful. Our society is decadent and that decadence must be cut out much like a cancer to save the body politic.

One can't make people joyful. Employers can compel workers who live certifiably-miserable lives to wear the "Happy to Serve You" smile if those who do ill-paid public-contact jobs; that hardly creates happiness. Maybe the customers are happier and will buy more because of that... but even that is a hustle.

America's ruling elites are selfish, cruel, and corrupt. They control people by controlling (and mostly denying, often by making any pleasure-seeking destructive or prohibitively-expensive) the means of achieving happiness. Unhappy? Get retail therapy at Wal*Mart... buy something! Go to a casino and have a fun time wasting money in the expectation that you might get lucky. Buy the latest fad -- never mind that it will go to the landfill quickly. Hate your job? Then attend a Corinthian College and go deeply in debt for a 'career degree' that nobody respects and return to the job that you hate, only more dependent because you are in debt. Have a pressing need? Then go to a payday lender and give your life to a loanshark -- what did you expect in contemporary America? Charity?

It's tempting to attack people for identifying with the 'wrong' ethnic group... but even in frontier times, many white settlers' kids defected to the nearby First Peoples. It may be hard to believe, but one of the more common threads of white-to-Indian transformation was a 'death and rebirth' ceremony. Participating in it was an honor. The Indians were a happier people and they knew it. Remaining among whites meant toil for the family, clearing trees ... and hearing hell-fire sermons with warnings that any slip-up could send one to Hell.

People need to love, to think, and to seek happiness. If they seek happiness and are not enthralled to rigid behaviors that ensure suffering they can find happiness at least as easily as they can find memorize the element names on the periodic table.

If one is unhappy while listening to fire-and-brimstone sermons -- then change the d@mn channel!

Originally Posted by Kinser79

Yeah in California voting in general is probably a waste of time anyway since the 54 electoral votes are going to the Democrat anyway. You do know how the Electoral Collage works right? I mean if you don't then perhaps you should school yourself on the Constitution.

Yes, that's why I mentioned it.

You don't understand justice. If you did you would understand that for non-violent resistance to work there has to be the threat of violent resistance. MLK got what he wanted because Malcolm X was alive. You have the understanding of a privileged white liberal...not much understanding at all.

I disagree.

Actually I can't, it would damage my dreads which took me years to grow out. I'd happily put some flower scented wax in my hair though...I will have to ask my sister about that though she's the hair dresser in the family.

Well, there you go.

I don't need to look within to know where and what my amygala is or what it is for. A brain scan will suffice. In fact I'm more likely to find it with a 5 minute cat scan than with hours of "meditation".

That's the whole point that lots of people here forget. You need consciousness to control it from within; to rise above it and act well instead of react. A brain scan of your own amygdala is about as useful as a brain scan of someone else's amygdala.

This is an inside-out world. Actions proceed from each individual, and individuals acting together. It's true that many libertarians and conservatives devalue collective action. I don't; in one sense it's what we are here to do, to act in the world; to bring our ideals into reality. There's nothing wrong with taking political or social action, and a revolution may be necessary at times too.

But whatever we do, it is our own action. We need to take responsibility for our actions, and how we act. Actions proceed from each individual. Kinser said "What people call "human nature", the idea that people are hard wired to be a certain way, in my view does not exist." In fact, we are free. Only if we are aware of ourselves, or conscious of ourselves, will our actions be effective.

This is the truth, and it does not matter what I say. You'll hear it from others too. It is not my truth. It is the truth, regardless of what I or anyone else says. It is the perennial wisdom, and it's been around for millennia within human culture, and in the universe, eternally. And that means now. Even if you call it word salad, the fact is that you kinser can be in no other time except now. Everything flows in the now. Examine it for yourself and you'll see. Have you ever been in any other time?

What you Kinser or Bob or vandal says about me, or thinks of me, is none of my business.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

Yes, that's why I mentioned it.

So you are admitting that you threw away your vote in the next breath after denying it? You can't have it both ways Eric.

I disagree.

I don't give a shit if you agree or disagree. I do give a shit about being right. In this case I am right and you know it too. You won't admit it, but you know it. You white liberals are all alike, you want your progress but are unwilling to get blood on your hands to get it. How typical.

Well, there you go.

I would only do it if the BF enjoyed the smell. It would be for his pleasure, not yours, not mine, and certainly not for world peace. That said, I think he prefers the coconut scent over the other scents. Says it matches me nicely. Personally I don't care what I smell like, I can't smell my own scent anyway. No one really can smell themselves unless they are unwashed for an extended period of time.

That's the whole point that lots of people here forget. You need consciousness to control it from within; to rise above it and act well instead of react. A brain scan of your own amygdala is about as useful as a brain scan of someone else's amygdala.

This is an inside-out world. Actions proceed from each individual, and individuals acting together. It's true that many libertarians and conservatives devalue collective action. I don't; in one sense it's what we are here to do, to act in the world; to bring our ideals into reality. There's nothing wrong with taking political or social action, and a revolution may be necessary at times too.

But whatever we do, it is our own action. We need to take responsibility for our actions, and how we act. Actions proceed from each individual. Kinser said "What people call "human nature", the idea that people are hard wired to be a certain way, in my view does not exist." In fact, we are free. Only if we are aware of ourselves, or conscious of ourselves, will our actions be effective.

This is the truth, and it does not matter what I say. You'll hear it from others too. It is not my truth. It is the truth, regardless of what I or anyone else says. It is the perennial wisdom, and it's been around for millennia within human culture, and in the universe, eternally. And that means now. Even if you call it word salad, the fact is that you kinser can be in no other time except now. Everything flows in the now. Examine it for yourself and you'll see. Have you ever been in any other time?

What you Kinser or Bob or vandal says about me, or thinks of me, is none of my business.

Blah blah blah. A lot of words to say a whole lot of nothing. You really are worse than my mother, at least she attempts to make sense. You don't even bother.

Originally Posted by pbrower2a

That's what I thought you would say -- poring over NRA memberships for persons in need of 're-education'. Infiltration is part of the revolutionary preparation. Know the enemy!

Know your enemy, know yourself that's the politic.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4MBEEHhdQY

One can't make people joyful. Employers can compel workers who live certifiably-miserable lives to wear the "Happy to Serve You" smile if those who do ill-paid public-contact jobs; that hardly creates happiness. Maybe the customers are happier and will buy more because of that... but even that is a hustle.

America's ruling elites are selfish, cruel, and corrupt. They control people by controlling (and mostly denying, often by making any pleasure-seeking destructive or prohibitively-expensive) the means of achieving happiness. Unhappy? Get retail therapy at Wal*Mart... buy something! Go to a casino and have a fun time wasting money in the expectation that you might get lucky. Buy the latest fad -- never mind that it will go to the landfill quickly. Hate your job? Then attend a Corinthian College and go deeply in debt for a 'career degree' that nobody respects and return to the job that you hate, only more dependent because you are in debt. Have a pressing need? Then go to a payday lender and give your life to a loanshark -- what did you expect in contemporary America? Charity?

It's tempting to attack people for identifying with the 'wrong' ethnic group... but even in frontier times, many white settlers' kids defected to the nearby First Peoples. It may be hard to believe, but one of the more common threads of white-to-Indian transformation was a 'death and rebirth' ceremony. Participating in it was an honor. The Indians were a happier people and they knew it. Remaining among whites meant toil for the family, clearing trees ... and hearing hell-fire sermons with warnings that any slip-up could send one to Hell.

People need to love, to think, and to seek happiness. If they seek happiness and are not enthralled to rigid behaviors that ensure suffering they can find happiness at least as easily as they can find memorize the element names on the periodic table.

If one is unhappy while listening to fire-and-brimstone sermons -- then change the d@mn channel!

I can't disagree with any of these observations. I think though you missed my point. Perhaps my sarcasm did not translate well on the forum. It is a limitation that I sometimes forget about as I'm always more comfortable in speech than in writing. My point was to make more people joyful by eliminating the enemies of the people.

Originally Posted by Kinser79

Ultimately my aim is the overthrow of the capitalist system and its replacement with something else. I call that something else socialism. If bourgeois politics can be used to weaken the bourgeois state, then I'm all for that, but the final overthrow will have to be violent. Ruling classes, oppressing classes never give up their rule and/or oppression without a struggle.

The ruling class typically does not give up their power without a war, but in that event they are simply replaced by a new ruling class. From the perspective of those in the lower classes, every elite change is a crap shoot, will the new elites be worse, the same or better than the old one? Revolutionaries will make the claim that new is better, but this reflects the fact they they intend to be the new elites. As for communist revolutions, the first of these got the Russian proletariat Stalin in place of Nicholas II, which I do not see as an improvement. I would say the same for the 1949 Chinese revolution..

There is an alternative. In advanced economies the division of labor becomes very fine-grained. An enormous number of individuals are required to manage the society. too many to fit under the definition for a single kind of elite, nor are members of a single category of elite sufficiently homogenous to guarantee optimal defense of class interests. Their exist different factions of elites and near-elites, people who although they are not themselves elite, are necessary for the current elites to maintain their status. Such near-elites always have the potential, if they are not shown their due, to serve as leaders in a revolutionary movement, or simply to withhold their services in the maintenance of elite power. And then their are people who are near-near-elites, who can serves as lieutenants in a revolution, should it come to that, but they too are necessary to the near-elites for them to be able to function and so can be in a position to get a cut.

At times a new arrangement is formed in which some of these near-elites are brought into the elite fold. The elites simply make room, because the alternative is too risky. This happened in the 1930's and 1940's. The old capitalist elite had to make room for a new elite who implemented policy that reduced the wealth of the capitalist elites and transferred to to non-capitalists, which included the new elites. You can think of it as a "half revolution". After a generation or two, the two different kinds of elites merged together to form a single elite and you we are back to where we were, and its time for an another half revolution.

Would-be revolutionaries will find this approach more useful because it can achieve significant gains for their cause without getting killed (dead revolutionaries achieve nothing). Any revolutionaries who cannot prevail electorally in a de jure democratic republic are too incompetent to prevail in a revolution.

Originally Posted by Kinser79

Blah blah blah. A lot of words to say a whole lot of nothing. You really are worse than my mother, at least she attempts to make sense. You don't even bother.

Nah. It's worse. He thinks he is making sense. If you can't get it, you obviously need to expand your mind.

I could prattle on a bit about how hard it is go get the gist of someone coming from a blatantly different world view and value set. On a clear day I can see where he is coming from. I must confess, today isn't a clear day.

Originally Posted by Mikebert

The ruling class typically does not give up their power without a war, but in that event they are simply replaced by a new ruling class. From the perspective of those in the lower classes, every elite change is a crap shoot, will the new elites be worse, the same or better than the old one? Revolutionaries will make the claim that new is better, but this reflects the fact they they intend to be the new elites. As for communist revolutions, the first of these got the Russian proletariat Stalin in place of Nicholas II, which I do not see as an improvement. I would say the same for the 1949 Chinese revolution..

Now, I'm not a big fan of Marx, Stalin or Mao. Still, it isn't easy to get from an Agricultural Age hereditary nobility to a modern country. I'd almost expect some sort of short cut through hell. Stalin and Mao went that route, Saddam too with different colored flags. I am not any more in favor of hell than Churchill, who suggested he'd ally with the devil if he'd join the fight against Hitler.

But the next generation of Communists did pretty well. Both countries have transitioned to capitalism peacefully. True, they aren't moving to democracy very well. The capitalists have the edge over the People with no effective democratic check on the elites. Their elites are exploitive and the division of wealth large. Still, I'm hesitant to harshly criticize their inability to tame their capitalists until after we get a grip on ours.

Over on the anti neoliberal thread, post #71, MillenialX linked to something potentially interesting. http://www.theguardian.com/books/201...P=share_btn_fb It suggests the internet might foster an entirely different economic structure that bypasses capitalists and corporations entirely. The Fourth Wave and other sources have suggested that we could be moving beyond the Industrial Age Pattern. As the last several crises resolved issues related to the Agricultural Age to Industrial Age transition, it might be that a true revolution would go beyond replacing one set of elites with another. With a good enough network, who needs elites? Is Wiki the model, where volunteers asking for voluntary contributions built a not for profit that blew away the encyclopedia industry? Kepi has been big on 3D printing as changing the world. Might volunteers and contributions a la Wiki form a pattern swap that would keep the printers churning? If anyone with a product can enter it in a buy and ship data base, who needs Wall Mart or even Amazon?

This would be a truly revolutionary shift. Interesting article. Full of the zeal of the converted. Short on details of implementation. Not enough emphasis on how the existing elites will scream, claw, kick and drag feet.

Originally Posted by Kinser79

So you are admitting that you threw away your vote in the next breath after denying it? You can't have it both ways Eric.

Sure I can. That's my priviledge because I live in California. I can vote Green without electing the Republican. I am free to vote for the party that matches my views.

I don't give a shit if you agree or disagree. I do give a shit about being right. In this case I am right and you know it too. You won't admit it, but you know it. You white liberals are all alike, you want your progress but are unwilling to get blood on your hands to get it. How typical.

You don't give a shit if I disagree? How surprising. I don't either. If you depend on violence and terror to get your way, that's your approach, and you are welcome to it. I don't know you're right, but I know where you're coming from. Great folks like Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X disagreed on this. I agree with the former, and you with the latter. The former was not a white liberal. I read books by both of them in the late sixties. I was moved by Malcolm X's autobiography and was impressed that he was so charismatic and articulate. He grew and changed right up until his untimely end. But those who followed what came to be considered his way, were not successful. The Black Panthers' overt display of guns and violent rhetoric made them a target, and they were wiped out and jailed, while King got bills passed and became a national icon. Riots merely ruined black communities. Marches and sit ins broke through barriers and expanded civil rights.

Blah blah blah. A lot of words to say a whole lot of nothing. You really are worse than my mother, at least she attempts to make sense. You don't even bother.

Blah blah blah. A lot of words to say a whole lot of nothing. You really are worse than my mother, at least she attempts to make sense. You don't even bother.

Pet Peeve:

It's not really an autobiography if they didn't write it themselves, is it?

Originally Posted by Kinser79

It is incredibly tempting, not to mention fun. Mocking him is almost as fun as sex. Seriously. That said, understanding this or any other issue is quite simple. When Eric is wrong he is often hopelessly wrong and writes his own refutation which is apparent to anyone who thinks on the subject for five seconds.

Lots of truth in this, but if it is literally true for you in all ways, I'm not sure you are doing the sex part right.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

Sure I can. That's my priviledge because I live in California. I can vote Green without electing the Republican. I am free to vote for the party that matches my views.

Eric you really are an idiot aren't you. The electoral collage means that there is the off chance that voting green might mean your state could go red and not blue under special circumstances. The fact that you would call such a privilege demonstrates to the world you have no idea what the electoral collage is about. Not that I'm terribly surprised, you do have a tendency to claim to have knowledge about things and later prove you know absolutely know nothing about said topic. This is the reason you hate Vandal as much as you do. How dare a science teacher call you when you spout off shit about science that isn't true.

You don't give a shit if I disagree? How surprising. I don't either.

But you do care if I agree with you. Otherwise you wouldn't bother responding to me, you would keep me on ignore at all times. But since you do care, you feel the need to respond. For someone who is supposedly being ignored through the ignore feature you respond to me incredibly frequently. I must conclude therefore that either you do care, or you're doing the ignore thing wrong. There is the off chance that you're doing both too.

If you depend on violence and terror to get your way, that's your approach, and you are welcome to it. I don't know you're right, but I know where you're coming from. Great folks like Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X disagreed on this. I agree with the former, and you with the latter. The former was not a white liberal. I read books by both of them in the late sixties. I was moved by Malcolm X's autobiography and was impressed that he was so charismatic and articulate. He grew and changed right up until his untimely end. But those who followed what came to be considered his way, were not successful. The Black Panthers' overt display of guns and violent rhetoric made them a target, and they were wiped out and jailed, while King got bills passed and became a national icon. Riots merely ruined black communities. Marches and sit ins broke through barriers and expanded civil rights.

You don't get it. MLK was successful because Malcolm and the Panthers were willing to use violence. The white man saw he had a choice, he could go with the house nigger saying "please massah let us vote and sit where we want on the bus" or they could deal with the nigger saying "Plow Plow Plow" with an assault rifle taking his freedom. Naturally they went with the house nigger and not the field nigger. King is only an icon because he is the "safe nigger". All the nigger children should be taught to be meek and mild like him so that they don't in their righteous anger overthrow the devils.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kf7fujM4ag

And I know your racist cracker ass didn't just call Malcolm "Articulate" as if it were a goddamned complement. After all how dare a Black Man speak as if he were an intelligent creature right? Never-mind that Black Men created mathematics and built the pyramids when your white forebears were painting themselves blue and howling at the moon.

Originally Posted by JordanGoodspeed

Pet Peeve:

It's not really an autobiography if they didn't write it themselves, is it?

The Autobiography of Malcolm X was composed from a series of in-depth interviews by Alex Haley of Malcolm X while he was still alive and collected into a single volume shortly after Malcolm's murder.

Originally Posted by B Butler

Lots of truth in this, but if it is literally true for you in all ways, I'm not sure you are doing the sex part right.

I was being hyperbolic on the "almost as fun as sex" part. I rather like sex and try to have it frequently.

Selfish boomers keep trying to shove "human rights" and evangelical Protestantism down the younger generations throats. What is worse is that boomer neoliberals keep attempting to shove "human rights" down the throats of countries that have no tradition of lenient civil punishments. On the right neocons attempt to shove evangelical Calvinism down the throats of the rest of the country and the rest of the world; even though the rest of the world considers evangelical Calvinism to be nonsense. Because it is nonsense those who are well-versed in history know full well that Calvinism is a made-up religion invented by white supremacists in order to have a theological justification for not following the world of god and to justify both looting the rest of the world and the looting of their own lower classes as well.

Originally Posted by Kinser79

I was being hyperbolic on the "almost as fun as sex" part. I rather like sex and try to have it frequently.

You have the same relation to a rectangular hyperbola as the unqualified function does to a circle?

I don't know that I can visualize it, but it does sound kinky.

Originally Posted by Kinser79

And I know your racist cracker ass didn't just call Malcolm "Articulate" as if it were a goddamned complement. After all how dare a Black Man speak as if he were an intelligent creature right? Never-mind that Black Men created mathematics and built the pyramids when your white forebears were painting themselves blue and howling at the moon.

You know, I wish those pushing today's Blue world view had someone capable of speaking with the clarity and passion of either MLK or Malcom X. At this point I don't give an (expletive deleted) for said person's skin pigmentation.

And you might well be right that one wouldn't be enough. We may well need both slots filled.

Long way to go for that, though. The spiral of rhetoric and violence isn't much spiraling.

Originally Posted by Kinser79

The Autobiography of Malcolm X was composed from a series of in-depth interviews by Alex Haley of Malcolm X while he was still alive and collected into a single volume shortly after Malcolm's murder.

When I found out that Alex Haley made up a bunch of stuff in Roots, I started wondering if he did the same with the Malcolm X book. I hope not, but you never know.