The only thing that matters is the FBI report. Then depending on the findings, Clinton would be either cleared or the case referred to the Justice Dept. Until the FBI completes step one, the rest of know nothing.Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/sander...215200530.html
#MSM eats crow, again
* crow award for MSM
Keep going dipshits. Won't be soon before ya'lls credibility goes to hell.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cord-cutting
MBTI step II type : Expressive INTP
There's an annual contest at Bond University, Australia, calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term:
The winning student wrote:
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
I disagree. I think the Democratic party has to consider why Trump has been so popular in the GOP despite the fact that 1. He is most definitely not a movement conservative (the official ideology of the Republican) 2. He plans to compromise with the Democrats, the Iranians and other nasties. 3. He is obviously not a Christian and his Christian act is not even slightly believable. 4. He refused to genuflect to Israel.
Liberals are way too quick to dismiss him as a racist who tickles the Republican hindbrain or as an authoritarian, instead of dealing with the some of the issues that he raises. Sanders raises some of these same issues, which is why I voted for him.
Several years ago I said we need a tariff, or more specifically we need somebody to *talk* about a tariff because there is nothing that will scare the pants off the powers that be than tariff talk. Well I have got my wish. Trump is selling an anti-free trade product, is winning and the GOP establishment is beside themselves. So is Sanders, but he is not winning. If he were this would mean that his political revolution has come to pass and Clinton would eventually climb on board like she did with Obama. But he's not, so his role is into influence the Democratic product they plan to peddle in the fall.
Sander's anti-trade stance is a superior product*, made of real policy, not the artificial stuff like Trump brand. So does this make Sanders a better choice than Clinton? No, Sander's health care product is a lousy brand and his education offering is poor, but then Clinton's isn't very good either, but then the GOP has the house so its all moot.
By staying in the race, perhaps Sanders can persuade Clinton to pick up the Sanders line of trade and foreign policy products and dump hers to give the Democrats a stronger line against the Trump offerings. Both Trump and Sanders have less appeal for college educated members of their own party. Sanders will be unlikely to pull non-liberal working class whites away from Trump**. Clinton may be able to pull college-educated moderate Republicans and like-minded independents away from Trump*** (not so much to vote for her, but more to stay home or vote 3rd party).
*Sanders has consistently voted against free trade his entire career, he has walked the talk. Trump is almost certainly pro-free trade in terms of belief.
**Especially after the Republican oppo demolishes him.
***Particularly after Democratic oppo is finished with him.
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Nothing work-related? I realize that has become the benchmark with Obama's executive order (a public record rather than security objective) and the Archive's guidelines (issued 6 months after Clinton left), but that wasn't previously practiced. We probably need to arrest every person that has worked at State, the Pentagon and military bases, and the Intel services, going back to at least the first email ever sent over the Internet. Might be a tad disruptive.
.. and that applies to a magic decoder ring that tells you what will be classified some day in the future when there is extraordinary political pressure to classify. Pretty high standard you have there.
Again, let's arrest the entire government!
Yes, it is personal and subjective but it would be interesting to know what you mean by it - her being not trusted to be on top of the latest email regulations being considered is a lot different than she's got some plan to take over the world for nefarious causes.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service
“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke
"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman
If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
I believe that, but remember this FBI is run by Muslim from Kenya. Don't worry though; I'm sure this is one of first things President Trump clears up to make America great again.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service
“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke
"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman
If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
Sorry to discomfort the PTB, but anyone lower on the totem pole pulling a stunt like this would be fired at a minimum, or prosecuted if there was a violation.
No, the entire idea of a personal server for public business is bizarre ... especially for DoS, DoD or DHS. Nuts! Just nuts! I don't care who else has done it in the past, it should never be done.
The entire government isn't doing this, just the arrogant dicks running things.
Marx: Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Lennon: You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die.
Are you talking about using private email (e.g. Outlook, gmail) to discuss work or setting up your own server? If it's the former, you would likely have to fire almost everyone working in the federal government prior to 2013.
If it's the latter, you would have to tell us why you think her private server was less secure that .state (which was hacked) or the commercial services (Outlook, gmail) that Colin Powell and Condi Rice used. Otherwise, you're just employing GOP talking points.
Oh, and if arrogance is the benchmark, we'll need to let go of nearly every political office holder in the country - it takes a certain type of personality. I vote for a lot of people that I don't particularly want to go have a beer with, if you know what I mean.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service
“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke
"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman
If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
The irony of the email controversy is that Hillary spearheaded the push to ban strong encryption in her husband's administration. She expected (and one would expect still expects) all internet communications to contain backdoors for the government to monitor communications. If Hillary is indicted (and Trump has said that if he is President Hillary will be indicted (convicting her may be another matter) it will be sweet irony.
Ho ho ho.
I am still counting on the FBI to do the right thing. So far Clinton is heavily favored to win in Nov.
I don't know whether Micigrim is better or worse than Michiganah. Mashugeneh means crazy in Yiddish.Whoa. My fiancé, who is from Battle Creek, almost smacked me when I used that term. (Not really, we don't smack each other. But that expression does, pardon the pun, give him the burn.)
Then, he has lived in the DMV (DC area -- DC, Maryland, Virginia) since 1983 or so...
Why do I get the feeling that the FBI is sitting on that report until it knows who will win the election or until after the election? Could they be worried about reprisals either way depending on who is in the White House next Jan 20?
I will surprised if this whole thing is not settled , one way or another, well before Nov.
We don't need a continuation into Nov and beyond.
-Again, the FBI report is needed to minimize the speculation.
I've had to use strong encryption (AES 256) for FOUO. Classified is typically Type 1, though I haven't needed that since I left the service decades ago. The rules are pretty simple: use official accounts and use encryption. If it's classified, it originates and terminates in a SCIF.
Marx: Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Lennon: You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die.
A post I ran into on another message board:
Certain things can simmer underground for a long time, like a slowly burning fire that is never quite damped out. Bernie represents at least two different strains of that buried idealism. One is the ambitions for social justice of the early 1960s, before things got all crazy at the end of the decade. The other is a peculiarly New York City strand of activism that goes back to the 1930s and all the young radicals who dreamed of a better future. And even further back are the Wobblies and other labor organizers of the Progressive Era.
The Wobblies were destroyed by J. Edgar Hoover during the Red Scare after World War I. The 1930s radicals -- many of them Jewish -- started keeping their heads down as a result of McCarthyism and the execution of the Rosenbergs. The 1960s New Left felt prey to Cointelpro and Nixon's repression. But it doesn't take much to rekindle the embers, and simply by being unafraid to call himself a socialist, Bernie has stirred up a lot of things that had seemed long dead.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
Good quote. After all, when the future looked like the Great American High dream of endless suburban tracts, who needed socialism in the land of red, white and blue?
A post I ran into on another message board:
What is forgotten about these streams of radicalism was that the push for social justice (at least for whites) was a lot wider than NYC. The labor movement wasn't completely repressed even during the 1920s. It became forbidden fruit. What FDR did was to channel and co-opt the labor movement by guaranteeing that if labor followed certain rules (no violence, no blockades or occupation of factories, no wildcat (unauthorised) strikes) the government would stand behind it both officially and unofficially and legalise union and closed shops. Even Communists were tolerated in the labor movement until the Smith Act of 1940, which set up amongst other things, the House Un-American Activities Committee.Certain things can simmer underground for a long time, like a slowly burning fire that is never quite damped out. Bernie represents at least two different strains of that buried idealism. One is the ambitions for social justice of the early 1960s, before things got all crazy at the end of the decade. The other is a peculiarly New York City strand of activism that goes back to the 1930s and all the young radicals who dreamed of a better future. And even further back are the Wobblies and other labor organizers of the Progressive Era.
Then in 1946, a huge wave of strikes postwar ran into a big backlash against Communism that was conflated with a backlash against the New Deal. Union activity was restricted. No common situs picketing (shutting down a whole building site because one union had a grievance), binding arbitration in many cases and no sympathy strikes (which took away the union movement's strongest tool or secondary boycotts. And provision for state "right to work" laws prohibiting closed shops, which enabled the South to opt out of unionisation altogether, making "runaway shops" possible. Outside of the Taft-Hartley Act, the FBI and the Mafia combined to drive Communists out of labour unions. That was the real thrust of red baiting. Still unions were reasonably strong and remained so until the 1980s.
Then the Boomers started getting hold of power. Growing up in suburbia in a 1-T environment, Boomers did not appreciate the sacrifices their GI parents had made, seeing only restriction and alienation. Awakenings and strong organised social movements don't mix well. Idealists tend to be individualist. They saw unions as impediments to the right to work at an occupation of one's choice, or if owning a business, freedom of contract. It says volumes that Ken Kesey's second (1964) novel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sometimes_a_Great_Notion was about an Oregon logging family that was nonunion and chose to resist a strike.
This individualism helps to explain why the New Left found it difficult to avoid breaking up into factions and being ineffective even without the FBI's CONTELPRO. And the more conservative elements of Boomers, who turned out to be probably more numerous than the Leftists were, were able to inherit the 1950s business class's efforts to promote fundamentalist religion and they made it their own. Not surprisingly, the Right rather than the Left prevailed. Which is why we went full circle to the Gilded Age. And it did not help that Gen X was socialised into this individualism.
Which makes the resurgence of the Left now very unsurprising. Because the country not only sees the result of Boomer individualism but unlike the 1920s and 30s, there is living memory of a time in which collectivism worked after a fashion. Which is not totally relevant to a time in which factory jobs (and even most office jobs) have or are being automated out of existence. But at least Americans know that there is another way.
The collapse of the union movement began under the Silents, who negotiated two-level contracts in the late '60s. The deals assured the older workers a continuing level of raises and benefit increases, but new workers (Boomers) would start at lower pay and get smaller raises. Benefits were less too. Once the union consisted of "some workers who were more equal than others, the support started dropping pretty fast.
This got started when I was in high school, and I'm a '47 cohort. Boomers were still youth or young adults at the time. We have things to be guilty about, but not this.
Marx: Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Lennon: You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die.
I always mention this to fellow left-wingers who blindly support mainstream unions. After the Leftist radicals were driven out the unions lost all the previous idealism and degenerated into purely "I got mine, fuck you" organizations. It is no wonder people turned against them.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
-- & X-ers got zip. One of the 1st jobs I worked after HS, the Union bargained staggered raises, with those with the most seniority getting the biggest raises on down to the new hires, who got nada off that contract. Now these new hires could of easily included empty nester Silent Moms reentering the workforce, but the majority of them were Xers. Another time 6 hr shifts were on the table. The Boomers & Xers were all for it, the Silents & GIs not so much, for some reason. Needless to say, the 6 hr shifts were bargained away. I remember saying @ the time that the Local leadership needs to bargain for us younger members, since we are the future of the Local, but no, they just bargained for their GI & Silent buds, who were on the verge if retiring. It was like a little cliquey club, they hand picked their GI & Silent leaders, gawd forbid any Boomers (let alone Xers!) should try to run for office. If other Locals were run like this Local, it's no wonder Unions have declined in this country & why ppl are so willing to believe that Unions are to blame for all workforce problems
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Good points. I remember unions went on a lot of strikes in the 60s and 70s. I remember that their leadership was corrupt or conservative. But I didn't know these trends, not having been in a union (they were rare in Silicon Valley).
-- this Local had play strikes that never lasted longer than 3 wks. No matter how far apart the negotiating was, after 2 1/2 weeks things miraculously got wrapped up & a new contract was signed, & for whatever the Local leaders' friends wanted. Never for the majority of the Local
I hope that the FBI report comes out in a few months.
It is clear that we need a balance of Power and that large organizations ( Govt, Unions, Religious, etc.) can become corrupt, forgetting who they should be concerned about.
In general ,I favor limiting the size and power of large organizations. However, when there is an imbalance, sometimes a new organization is needed to restore some balance.
They are not rare outside of tech. For example the Retail Clerks' Union.
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Well I'm feelin the Bern today. Hope the rest of the state is too. Bern Ohio Bern!
