Originally Posted by marypoza

Well I'm feelin the Bern today. Hope the rest of the state is too. Bern Ohio Bern!

Unlike the case of the GOP, the DEM primary features two strong candidates, one a Centrist the other a Leftist. It's like what we might see in Europe. The process is making both stronger as they feed on each others' ideas. They are both already competing against Trump (#NeverTrump). No matter what happens, it's all good. Whoever wins the Primary and gets nominated would be well advised to take the runner up as their Veep.

Meanwhile over in the GOP ... Rome burns.

Well Utah & Idaho got Berned to a crisp. AZ, otoh.. more big time cheating. I cannot understand why the DNC is supporting all this cheating. Course I don't understand why the DNC is pimping a candidate under FBI investigation either, but I'm thinking maybe the 2 are related..........

Originally Posted by marypoza

Well Utah & Idaho got Berned to a crisp. AZ, otoh.. more big time cheating. I cannot understand why the DNC is supporting all this cheating. Course I don't understand why the DNC is pimping a candidate under FBI investigation either, but I'm thinking maybe the 2 are related..........

You can't keep saying, "my candidate lost, so the opponent must have cheated." There's a limit to that explanation. Hillary won AZ by a lot.

Sanders will have to bern the remaining states to a crisp to have a chance. Do you see that happening in New York, where Hillary currently has 64% in the polls?

Originally Posted by marypoza

Well Utah & Idaho got Berned to a crisp. AZ, otoh.. more big time cheating. I cannot understand why the DNC is supporting all this cheating. Course I don't understand why the DNC is pimping a candidate under FBI investigation either, but I'm thinking maybe the 2 are related..........

The presidential preference primary in Arizona this week was an utter disaster. Over a third (37 percent) of registered voters were disenfranchised because of the closed primary. (I was allowed to vote early only because I had registered as a Green.) And the lines outside the polls were ridiculously long, especially in working-class neighborhoods, whose inhabitants might have tilted in Bernie's favor. Voters in Phoenix, some of whom did not reach the voting booth until 12:46 a.m., were hopping mad. So to say that Hillary won the primary fair and square--well, that's a stretch. The whole thing smells.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

You can't keep saying, "my candidate lost, so the opponent must have cheated." There's a limit to that explanation. Hillary won AZ by a lot.

Sanders will have to bern the remaining states to a crisp to have a chance. Do you see that happening in New York, where Hillary currently has 64% in the polls?

heh, heh, he said "burn".



Actually, poor Bernie isn't mad enough or radical enough to have rallies featuring songs like the above.

Next ingredient are some effigigies to burn like this.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/iowacci/4047629411

Last ingredient a nice big firestarter to torch the effigies at the campaign rallies.



So, it's like this. You have to wow your audience with an experience they'll never forget.

That's the problem, as I see it. Burning things in effigy is an all American pass time. It's sure to be a hot item at any campaign rally that uses it as a meme.

It's an act of protest and as such , is a much a needed thing so we can have what was old, is new again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effigy


I see the Democratic party establishment is playing dirty, so it seems some of them need to go up as effigies along with banksters.

AZ does have most people voting by mail, like CA. While lines were way too long, it doesn't look like a deliberate plot by the DNC against Sanders. That would be a stretch. It's a miscalculation by election officials and the Board of Supervisors:

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/...ines/82165730/

Many states have primaries in which only registered party members can vote. CA changed to an open primary. That's up to the people in each state to decide which is more fair.

A few polls showed Clinton leading Sanders by double digits a week or two before the primary. Polls can be wrong by a lot, but it does suggest a Clinton win there is not necessarily fraudulent. It was not, at least, a state where Bernie was favored; unlike Utah (which also had long lines) and Idaho, where he was favored (but has zero chance in the general election, whereas Clinton has a chance in the general election in AZ).

Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62

I see the Democratic party establishment is playing dirty, so it seems some of them need to go up as effigies along with banksters.

I know it was alleged that some misbehavior occured in Nevada, and that debates were scheduled too few and at odd hours. But there were a lot of debates more-recently, and I saw them all on you tube. PBS had one too, in prime time.

Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62

heh, heh, he said "burn".



Actually, poor Bernie isn't mad enough or radical enough to have rallies featuring songs like the above.

-- that's bcuz Bernie's an Artist

Next ingredient are some effigigies to burn like this.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/iowacci/4047629411

Last ingredient a nice big firestarter to torch the effigies at the campaign rallies.



So, it's like this. You have to wow your audience with an experience they'll never forget.

That's the problem, as I see it. Burning things in effigy is an all American pass time. It's sure to be a hot item at any campaign rally that uses it as a meme.

It's an act of protest and as such , is a much a needed thing so we can have what was old, is new again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effigy

-- mebbe you should organize a rally Rags

I see the Democratic party establishment is playing dirty, so it seems some of them need to go up as effigies along with banksters.

-- go 4 it Rags!

Looks like we're having Baked Alaska tonite & it's Berned to a crisp!

WA & HI getting Berned too!

Boo-yeah!!

Uh, mebbe that s/b Berned Alaska..( & Berned Washington, & Berned Hawaii)

Boo-yeah!!

Yo Rags:

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...28&oe=57989262


Obi-Wan's saying, "feel the Bern Luke, feel the Bern!"

Gandalf, "it's the deep breath before the Bern!"

I'm wondering how much it's that they are out of the South, how much Hillary is seeming more flawed, and how much it is Sanders getting his message across.

Originally Posted by B Butler

I'm wondering how much it's that they are out of the South, how much Hillary is seeming more flawed, and how much it is Sanders getting his message across.

Regardless of weather Hillary or Bernie wins the nomination this year I suspect that in 2020 the Democratic order of state voting will be more regionally balanced so that whoever gets the early lead in delegate count won't get it almost exclusively in states that the Dem. nominee is unlikely to carry in the November general election. IOW, the time for the ''Another McGovern prevention policy'' has passed.

Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62

heh, heh, he said "burn".


Actually, poor Bernie isn't mad enough or radical enough to have rallies featuring songs like the above.

Next ingredient are some effigigies to burn like this.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/iowacci/4047629411

Last ingredient a nice big firestarter to torch the effigies at the campaign rallies.



So, it's like this. You have to wow your audience with an experience they'll never forget.

That's the problem, as I see it. Burning things in effigy is an all American pass time. It's sure to be a hot item at any campaign rally that uses it as a meme.

It's an act of protest and as such , is a much a needed thing so we can have what was old, is new again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effigy


I see the Democratic party establishment is playing dirty, so it seems some of them need to go up as effigies along with banksters.

Are you sure that Arizona Republicans aren't part of the problem? I do not refer to the newspaper.

Originally Posted by marypoza

Yo Rags:

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...28&oe=57989262


Obi-Wan's saying, "feel the Bern Luke, feel the Bern!"

Gandalf, "it's the deep breath before the Bern!"

this one reminds me of the 1970's.




Mutual finger wagging at a debate.



Bernie looks mad here.



Now this is something I'd do. I think audio/visual aids help folks remember what you're talking about




One could show news scenes of the actual bridge collapse, a pic of Flint, MI's water tower,

this stuff : http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...7814/?slide=10
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/falling-...nfrastructure/

OK, so where to get the money?

Start here.
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Media/...agon-s-Arsenal
Chuck losers like the F-35 and for the stuff that works find some way to reign in cost overruns.

Originally Posted by XYMOX_4AD_84

Unlike the case of the GOP, the DEM primary features two strong candidates, one a Centrist the other a Leftist. It's like what we might see in Europe. The process is making both stronger as they feed on each others' ideas. They are both already competing against Trump (#NeverTrump). No matter what happens, it's all good. Whoever wins the Primary and gets nominated would be well advised to take the runner up as their Veep.

Meanwhile over in the GOP ... Rome burns.

Actually, I think Jim Webb would make a strong Veep choice for Bernie. We don't like to think in these terms but one of the most important qualifications for Vice President is a willingness to carry on the President' s policies in the event the President dies in office. Having Hillary or Bernie as running mates (more so for Bernie having Hillary as running mate since Bernie is trying to crate fundamental change) creates a nearly irresistible temptation to reverse the President's policies by assassinating the President. We have examples of assassinations changing policy--Arthur's passage of Civil Service, Theodore Roosevelt's "trust-busting" and near misses such as Zangara's assassination attempt against FDR and possibly the attempt on Truman's life by Puerto Rican terrorists that illustrate this. Motivations to frustrate change by killing off a President delivering change can be high.
And the counter-examples: Nixon could not have been forced to resign until and unless Spiro Agnew was forced to resign on charges stemming from when he was Governor of Maryland. And Al Gore helped provide Bill Clinton with conviction insurance. Republicans did not want to give Gore the advantage of incumbency, particularly early enough in Clinton's second term to where Gore could run for re-election twice.
Webb would be a safe choice for Sanders since he shares Sanders's views on avoiding interventions abroad while being willing to crack down on big banks at home. And Webb has an appeal to authoritarian Scots-Irish (Navy Cross Marine, former Secretary of the Navy--in short, a genuine article) that could cut into Trump's core support, even in some Southern states. Sanders-Webb could be a landslide ticket.

Originally Posted by MordecaiK

Actually, I think Jim Webb would make a strong Veep choice for Bernie. We don't like to think in these terms but one of the most important qualifications for Vice President is a willingness to carry on the President's policies in the event the President dies in office. Having Hillary or Bernie as running mates (more so for Bernie having Hillary as running mate since Bernie is trying to create fundamental change) creates a nearly irresistible temptation to reverse the President's policies by assassinating the President. We have examples of assassinations changing policy--Arthur's passage of Civil Service, Theodore Roosevelt's "trust-busting" and near misses such as Zangara's assassination attempt against FDR and possibly the attempt on Truman's life by Puerto Rican terrorists that illustrate this. Motivations to frustrate change by killing off a President delivering change can be high.

You're reaching again. Assassins are nuts who are obsessed by their own problems. Assassinations have little to do with a president's policies. Maybe with one exception: America's first one.

Webb is a moderate/conservative; Hillary is very much closer to Bernie than she is to Webb. Hillary is Bernie; just one gear slower domestically and one gear faster internationally.

And the counter-examples: Nixon could not have been forced to resign until and unless Spiro Agnew was forced to resign on charges stemming from when he was Governor of Maryland. And Al Gore helped provide Bill Clinton with conviction insurance. Republicans did not want to give Gore the advantage of incumbency, particularly early enough in Clinton's second term to where Gore could run for re-election twice.
Webb would be a safe choice for Sanders since he shares Sanders's views on avoiding interventions abroad while being willing to crack down on big banks at home. And Webb has an appeal to authoritarian Scots-Irish (Navy Cross Marine, former Secretary of the Navy--in short, a genuine article) that could cut into Trump's core support, even in some Southern states. Sanders-Webb could be a landslide ticket.

Clinton survived impeachment, because his impeachment was solely a partisan game to try and stop him from doing his job. Nixon's impeachment on the other hand was inevitable regardless, because he really was "a crook." Webb would be as bad a choice as Lieberman was for Gore in 2000; a real mismatch. But people don't vote for vice-president, except often in home states.

Originally Posted by marypoza

Looks like we're having Baked Alaska tonite & it's Berned to a crisp!

WA & HI getting Berned too!

Boo-yeah!!

Baked Alaska, and hawaiian lu-au.

Pretty good!

Will Wisconsin feel the flames, and fan the flames for New York and beyond?

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

Baked Alaska, and hawaiian lu-au.

Pretty good!

Will Wisconsin feel the flames, and fan the flames for New York and beyond?

Grilled Wisconsin cheese?

Originally Posted by pbrower2a

Are you sure that Arizona Republicans aren't part of the problem? I do not refer to the newspaper.

At present the Republican party is a lost cause. Their platform has nothing for me whatsoever. They also have a huge demographic problem and as we all know, the future belongs to the youth.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

Baked Alaska, and hawaiian lu-au.

Pretty good!

Will Wisconsin feel the flames, and fan the flames for New York and beyond?

Watch the delegate count. Sanders will need to win 75 percent of the remaining ones to tie Clinton; that's 75 percent of all remaining voters. Conversely, Clinton just needs 25 percent.

The Sanders miracle will be to pull off super delegates with some sense of momentum even if Clinton has a national majority of votes. But, that is made even more difficult with the fact that he mostly wins caucus states that are Lilly White. The supers are also going to note who won the swing states for the general - FL, OH, VA, NC and NV. Bernie's primary wins are generally pretty well entrenched behind either the Blue Wall or the Red Wall for the general - that is why the supers are not going to be too impressed with the Bern.
The real question is how this should be played out to mitigate as much as possible Bernie PUMA derangement syndrome. Trump will cure a lot of that particularly with White women Bern supporters. The guys are really not that critical.

Originally Posted by XYMOX_4AD_84

Unlike the case of the GOP, the DEM primary features two strong candidates, one a Centrist the other a Leftist. It's like what we might see in Europe. The process is making both stronger as they feed on each others' ideas. They are both already competing against Trump (#NeverTrump). No matter what happens, it's all good. Whoever wins the Primary and gets nominated would be well advised to take the runner up as their Veep.

Meanwhile over in the GOP ... Rome burns.

Lets see, two LW candidates (Roman senators) fighting over the control and their preferred use of federal taxes. We ain't in Rome dude. We are a helluva lot more independent than Rome.

Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62

this one reminds me of the 1970's.




Mutual finger wagging at a debate.



Bernie looks mad here.



Now this is something I'd do. I think audio/visual aids help folks remember what you're talking about




One could show news scenes of the actual bridge collapse, a pic of Flint, MI's water tower,

this stuff : http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...7814/?slide=10
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/falling-...nfrastructure/

OK, so where to get the money?

Start here.
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Media/...agon-s-Arsenal
Chuck losers like the F-35 and for the stuff that works find some way to reign in cost overruns.

I understand that the bridge next to the collapsed I-35W bridge in Minneapolis was built in the 1920s, back when construction projects were typically overbuilt.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

You can't keep saying, "my candidate lost, so the opponent must have cheated." There's a limit to that explanation. Hillary won AZ by a lot.

-- the only time I talk about cheating is when I see it in my news feed from multiple sources. Plz note AZ resident Teach is backing me up on this one. Bernie is speaking out on the cheating, Hillz not so much. But then she's the one benefitting, isn't she? M&L was talking about something being in the court of public opinion in another thread. These cheating incedents may also be in the court of public opinion. If they continue, & the public decides the primaries have been riddled with cheating, they will not accept the DNC's annointed one. They will do one of 3 things: a) stay home, b) vote for the Donald, or c) vote for Jill Stien or some other alternative candidate. This is why the DNC & it's local party operatives need to butt out & let the votes fall where they may

Sanders will have to bern the remaining states to a crisp to have a chance. Do you see that
happening in New York, where Hillary currently has 64% in the polls?

-- NY is Bernie's other home state & like NH, adjacent to VT. So that part of the state, along the Hudson River I can see Berning up. Also downstate NY, LI- Bernie's a Brooklyn boy afterall. As for the western part of the state, I think it depends upon how much the states preceding the NY primary feel the Bern, & this week, @ least they've been Berning up

Hawaiian luau & grilled WI cheese luvvem

How bout Berned WI cheese