I think I already made that point, but I guess a second try will not hurt.Originally Posted by Odin
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I think I already made that point, but I guess a second try will not hurt.
What Bernie said about Hillary seems to show him as misogynist. Why would any woman vote for him?
Ad infinitum
Because Eric isn't considering a war on guns doesn't mean others aren't. They are. This is his habitual projection of his own opinions and delusions as irrefutable fact.
Guns can work for self defense. Not always. Not without bad results some of the time. However, not without good results some of the time. Those with strong opinions one way or the other sometimes quote contradictory studies to validate their opinions. There is no lack of contradictory studies.
In my state of Massachusetts, the state cops seem to prefer concealed carry to open carry. Some people just get jumpy and irrational when they see a gun. Given the Constitution is what it is, concealed as opposed to open is the default. This isn't to say that Massachusetts is typical anything. Different policies might be preferred where the culture is different.
Ad infinitum... agreed. Even Eric can occasionally get something right.
So, Sanders questions the qualifications of A woman, therefore, he hates all women?
Why do some people try to oversimplify complex issues?
Last edited by herbal tee; 04-10-2016 at 04:55 PM.
Uh.. lessee..
$15/hr minimum - I'm in
Medicare 4 all, including women's health issues- I'm in
Expanded SS 4 when I retire- I'm in
Not sending my kids into a war zone- I'm in
Getting my kids tuition free college-I'm in
Getting rid of the TPP so I & my kidz can have decent jobs- I'm in
& so on & so forth
Why anybody- male or female- would vote for somebody with an FBI investigation hanging over her head is totally beyond me. My stomach turns @ the thought of it. Such a Prez cannot be good for the country
Assuming that Clinton is nominated (a big if), I'd vote for her in a heartbeat because the thought of a President Trump or Cruz turns my stomach. I'm even willing to campaign some for her IF she is the Democratic nominee.
Of course, if Sanders is the Dem nominee, I'll happily campaign for him too.
I want people to know that peace is possible even in this stupid day and age. Prem Rawat, June 8, 2008
I did not say that. But referring to women seeking public office as unqualified is a common insult directed at women.So, Sanders questions the qualifications of A woman, therefore, he hates all women?
Hillary has been investigated ever since her husband ran for president, if not before. It's all just nonsense; just propaganda. If you buy any of it, then you are just giving the Republicans what they paid for.
Bernie and Hillary did a sort of tit for tat over the idea that Hillary said Bernie was not qualified. She didn't actually said that, but she implied that a qualified president should be able to show how he will enact his policies; questions the media has for him also. He can probably answer those questions fine; but Bernie felt he had to reply that she was not qualified because of her past policies. It happens in a campaign, and it's a passing thing. They are both making nice to each other now.
In a country that voted for George W Bush and allowed Republicans to take over almost every government office in the land in 2010 and 2014, is a risky country in which to hope for a Revolution. I'm all for it, and all those proposals, but I'm more pragmatic and skeptical now than I used to be, only because I know that we the people are not doing our part. The main thing is to vote the Republicans out, on all levels. That means voting strategically. It means Americans have a lot of educating to do before we can hope for that Revolution Bernie is offering. Just voting for Bernie will not do it. And allowing any Republican to win absolutely anything will only delay or prevent it from happening at all. Allowing any Republican to win the White House in 2016 turns over our whole government to Republicans, maybe forever, and it dooms our republic.
Last edited by Eric the Green; 04-10-2016 at 10:17 PM.
The fact is that no one but Clinton and the FBI really know what is in the emails. Everyone else is just speculating. We need the investigation completed soon.
It will take a miracle for Bernie Sanders to beat Hillary Clinton. And that's OK
by Doyle McManus
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed...10-column.html
Bernie Sanders can still win the Democratic presidential nomination — but it's going to take a miracle. Actually, several miracles. He'll need to win the primary next week in New York, where polls show him running well behind Hillary Clinton. Then he'll need to win most of the mid-Atlantic states, including Pennsylvania. And he'll need to win big in California and New Jersey in June; small margins of victory won't give him the number of delegates he needs to overtake Clinton's substantial lead. That's not a conspiracy; it's just arithmetic.
And that's OK. This is a case where coming close will still count for something.
From the beginning of his improbable run, Sanders has had two goals in mind. One was to become the Democratic nominee; the other was to build a grass-roots movement that could bring about a “political revolution” from the left.
Sanders and his supporters haven't given up on the first goal. But they're also running his
campaign with that second, longer-term goal firmly in mind.
Last week, a voter in New York asked the Vermont senator what he would do if he doesn't win. Most candidates would have batted the query away. Sanders said: “That is a wonderful question.”
“Obviously, our hope and expectation is that we are going to win,” he said on NBC's “Today” show. “But that's a fair question. We have brought out and seen so much excitement from young people … who want to make our country a better place.”
If the nomination is lost, he said, “we will continue that revolution.”
The first step — in the event of a loss — is using the convention as an organizing event for progressives.
Some supporters have talked of an “inside-outside” strategy at the Philadelphia convention, with Sanders delegates pressing their case inside the hall while pro-Sanders demonstrators march outside.
They hope to get some of Sanders' positions included in the Democratic Party platform, including planks on banning corporate donations to super PACs, renegotiating existing free trade agreements and breaking up the country's biggest banks.
Clinton has already responded to the energy on her party's left by tacking in Sanders' direction on several issues. She now opposes President Obama's proposed trade agreement with Asian countries, a pact she initially promoted. She also changed course to oppose the proposed Keystone XL oil pipeline from Canada to Texas, although she was never firmly in favor. And she has proposed stricter regulations on big banks and other financial institutions, a plan she argues is tougher than Sanders' proposal to break up the nation's largest banks. (Sanders disagrees.)
If Clinton wins the nomination, Sanders has said he will endorse her and urge his supporters to vote for the Democratic ticket. But he will also try to turn his campaign into a more durable movement to move the Democratic Party to the left.
“This campaign is changing people's lives and changing everyone's idea of what's possible,” Sanders's top technologist, Zack Exley, told The Nation magazine. “No matter what happens, people are going to keep fighting for the political revolution that Bernie helped all of us start. What's more, these organizing teams, structures, and processes won't have to be reinvented. They will live on. … This revolution is only just getting started.”
We've heard that song before. In 2004, insurgent candidate Howard Dean tried to turn his campaign into a progressive movement, Democracy for America, with negligible results. In 2008, President Obama's campaign staff tried to remake their grass-roots network into something called Organizing for America, but that effort failed completely.
Could this time be different? Progressive organizers, an eternally optimistic cadre, say they think so.
“This movement is here to stay,” argues Ben Wikler of MoveOn.org.
“Sanders could turn out to be, for progressives, what [Barry] Goldwater was for conservatives in 1964. Goldwater lost, but he paved the way for Ronald Reagan 16 years later. We don't want to wait that long.”
Harold Meyerson, editor of the American Prospect, thinks they may be right, mainly because the economy's failure to increase middle-class incomes has pushed so many voters — especially young voters — to look for new answers.
He noted that a 2012 Gallup Poll found that 53% of Democrats said they had a positive view of socialism — and that was before Sanders ran for president.
“Bernie Sanders' campaign didn't create a new America left,” Meyerson wrote recently. “It revealed it.”
Even if their candidate falls short in the next few primaries, Sanders voters shouldn't give up in despair. Their votes will still count, because the final score will matter — not only for this presidential campaign, but the next one.
doyle.mcmanus@latimes.com
Twitter: @doylemcmanus
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---agreed on Cruz. As for the Donald.. well he is for Medicare 4 all & he'll leave PP alone. He's not only against the TPP for some reason (he's a Big Businessman afterall) but wants to get rid of NAFTA. He wants us out of the globocop business & the MidEast- not bcuz he's antiwar but bcuz he's not gonna start any wars (hello China!) that he can't win. If he delivers on those 4 things I can stomach his loud blustery ass for 4 yrs. That said this is NOT an endorsement of the Donald. I want Bernie, or failing that Jill Stein. Too bad she don't come with electoral votes
There are groups that don't like fossil fuel and support lawsuits against energy companies (e.g., British Petroleum); should we prohibit lawsuits against all energy companies?
There are groups that don't like Big Pharma or big hospitals and support lawsuits against these companies; should we also prohibit lawsuits against drug companies and hospitals?
There are groups that don't like that people eat meat and support lawsuits against agribusiness and meat processing companies; should we also prohibit lawsuits against agribusiness and meat processing?
There are many many more enterprises one can find that have groups politically aligned against and support any and every lawsuit that comes along that is against their hated target; do you really want to exempt every enterprise from being taken to court? Or is it that you just want to exempt the enterprises that align with YOUR politics? Because, well, you're so very special?
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service
“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke
"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman
If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
Sanders came after her as being "unqualified." He could have instead made a claim that she has shown "poor judgement" and reinforced that as being troubling given her extensive experiences as a Senator, Secretary of State, and the First Lady. The latter is about a difference of opinion amongst equals; the former is about a claim of inherent superiority which is silly if one compares Sanders experience to that of Clinton. So, why would he choose an inherent claim of superiority, and based on exactly what?So, Sanders questions the qualifications of A woman, therefore, he hates all women?
There have been many studies of gender bias in business and in politics; here is one good read -
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2008/...better-leader/
Women who have been very successful in business as well as politics nearly all complain about being held to a much higher benchmark of being "qualified" than their male counterparts; they know exactly where Bernie was coming from even if Savior Sanders was, as typical, clueless.
You'll tend to find that older, more successful women are Clinton supports and women who are young and relatively inexperienced in moving up the career ladder as yet, and therefore likely not to have faced the gender bias as much, being Savior Sanders supporters.
Last edited by playwrite; 04-12-2016 at 09:24 AM.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service
“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke
"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman
If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
In NY, we just past one of the most assertive minimum wage support laws. Along with that of California's, there is allowance for lower level minimums in rural and relatively economic depressed areas so as to not be a further cause for hallowing out these areas because of the impact on employment. This comes from people that actually use their brains to address a problem rather that pursue "happy talk" that results in dire unintended consequences that most often they don't actually have to live with.
And exactly how is all this 'happy talk' going to come about? This is the gist of the uninformed voter on the Left that is the mirror reflection of the t-baggers on the Right. When none of this actually happens (because Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell won't let it happen), the BernieBots are going to abandoned President Savior Sanders as the ineffectual angry old man holed up in the White House. It will be worse than the Obamabots (more or less the same people) abandoning the current President (due to no single payer achievement) because Savior Sanders has much further to fall from his perch amongst the magic unicorns and the even more impossible promises made.
In this country, we have this thing about innocent until proven otherwise - you should look it up. And if your fallback is personal emails was inappropriate, it is becoming increasingly clear that most of the State Department, DOD and intel community has been doing this for some time; so should we gut our entire foreign operations over your candy ass worldview? Or, maybe you should grow up and appreciate all the people that are actually doing something every day to make your banal life worth living?
Last edited by playwrite; 04-12-2016 at 09:26 AM.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service
“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke
"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman
If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/berni...ry?id=38258722
“Is that person who has that kind of bad judgment qualified to be president of the United States?” Sanders asked. “Well, qualified is a broad word, but I think that judgment lapse suggests that, you know, she might not be the best president that we need.”
Qualification definitely includes judgment.
Those words, "temperate and moderate", are words either of political cowardice, or of cunning, or seduction. A thing, moderately good, is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper, is always a virtue; but moderation in principle, is a species of vice.
'82 - Once & always independent
What we do know is the material was sent to her and not marked as classified; and that most, if not all, that now has been post-classified would not have been classified at the time. We also know that there was no purposeful attempt by any one to release classified information. We also now know that the use of personal email to send work-related material, some of which could be post classified, was a pretty widespread phenomena that included Secretary Powell and National Security Advisor Rice among thousands of others. We also know that there is no evidence that the Clinton server was hacked, but we do know that the State Department's email server has been.
Anyone with a brain and without influenced by a political agenda or bias should be able to conclude right now with just these knowns that there is no there there. Unless some new known is put on the table, we're just waiting for it to be official. Obama pretty much said as much in his Fox interview yesterday.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service
“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke
"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman
If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
I realize that you probable can't comprehend this, but Sanders would likely barf all over your shoes if you told him this.
Also, if we should wind up with a President Trump, Cruz or Romney, I would just ask that you have enough of a conscious to start preparing your apology to your kids and grandkids for your role as an enabler. Today, it is still difficult to get a Naderite to apologize for their enabling role for 9/11, the Iraq Invasion, the Financial Meltdown and Great Recession and a host of other Bush goodies. My guess is your apology is going to have an even longer list; the Boston Globe gives us a glimpse of the future you want to bring us -
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service
“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke
"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman
If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
And that was his 24-hour later backtracking provided by what I am sure was an all-hands-on-deck all-nighter damage-control by his best handlers to try to mop up the candidate's getting off-message to reveal the real Savior Sanders
Bernie, back on track -
Just because your candidate is telling you exactly what you want to hear doesn't mean that candidate isn't telling you just exactly what you want to hear. They can be so tricky.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service
“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke
"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman
If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
We don't need another Clinton in the white house especially an establishment shill like Hillary. 8 years of Hillary would break the country the 4T would have passed without any reform whatsoever. We don't need a return to the 3T. We need a strong leader and trump shows signs of being able to make the tough decisions. Sanders too as indicated and has shown a willingness to be a strong leader. We need a Bismarck.I realize that you probable can't comprehend this, but Sanders would likely barf all over your shoes if you told him this.
Also, if we should wind up with a President Trump, Cruz or Romney, I would just ask that you have enough of a conscious to start preparing your apology to your kids and grandkids for your role as an enabler. Today, it is still difficult to get a Naderite to apologize for their enabling role for 9/11, the Iraq Invasion, the Financial Meltdown and Great Recession and a host of other Bush goodies. My guess is your apology is going to have an even longer list; the Boston Globe gives us a glimpse of the future you want to bring us -
--omg they must be having snowball fights in hell bcuz I actually agree with this. Dunno about the Bismarck part but we do need Bernie
It is not an insult directed at women. It is an insult directe at people that someone thinks are unqualified.
Bismarck invented the German equivalent of Social Security so that the working class would have a stake in the system and not demand "socialism". Bismarck gets a bad rap for his connections to German nationalism, something a certainty even in the wake of the unification of Germany. In fact the German Empire of 1871-1918 was a weak confederation as a political order. William II deserve the blame for an attempt to destroy such democracy as existed in Germany going into World War I.
At the least Bismarck was cautious on foreign policy because he recognized the limitations of German military power. In that Bismarck was better than Dubya. Nixon was closer to Bismarck in that than Dubya was, and the Obama foreign policy is still largely a Nixon foreign policy.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
He could instead have sugar coated it in such a way as to, oh, never mind...
It was stuff from photos that she should have known were classified. Other people did not use private servers in the way she did, and did not send it to people he should not have seen it like she did. She was told that blackberries were a bad idea, but did it. If she was a regular joe, she would already be in prison.
