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Post#1251 at 05-02-2016 04:13 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post
But what option produces change? Coalitions tend to be poorly focused, since they only exist to achieve the secondary goal of winning elections.Once you win, how do you use the win to promote change?
They do it through legislation, but also the Executive can do it through regulation and a variety of other administrative prerogatives and by slowly changing the Judiciary by appointments that hopefully your coalition has enough power to get confirmed . I think you know this given what you next state -

Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post
BHO rolled into town on a steamroller, but never really did all that much. He got the ACA, which will not survive in its current form for much longer. He's still fighting an endless and unfocused war. He did manage to seat two decent SCOTUS pointees.

He failed to change the economy's drift toward oligarchy, which has gotten worse, not better. He finessed limited gains on global warming, but nothing that has legs. In short, he won elections but his coalition was unable to do what movements do best: change the narrative. I see Hillary being a similar technocrat. So who makes change happen ... and when?
His coalition, for moving things forward, was in power for only 2 years. The economy was still trashed and we were still in Iraq. Before he could even think healthcare, he signed ARRA, the Auto Bailout and Dodd-Frank, and as a result, we were the first to emerge from the Great Recession, the financial system is much more regulated today, and ours is the strongest economy, least uncertain in the world today, we have had unprecedented job growth. Our footprint in Iraq is nothing what it was under Bush, and much more importantly, it was not what would have been a catastrophic situation if bomb, bomb, bomb President McCain had been in office - what a coalition can prevent is often much more critically important that what it can bring anew.

Here's what too many clueless Lefties don't get -

- ANY coalition is only going to get what that coalition can agree on. In his first two years, he had Ben Nelson, Blanche Lincoln and Joe Lieberman in the ONLY coalition at the time that was interested in doing anything Progressive. There's nothing he could get done without those three. If Bernie was the President, he would be limited by members of his coalition no matter how much he jumped up and down, no matter how red in the face, or how much he wagged his finger while screaming his narrative.

- There is a coalition that opposes your coalition and beating that opposing coalition is ALL that matters. Only having a narrative that tells everyone that they can have a magic unicorn that poops out single payer or break up banks has no more value than that other poop called horseshXt. The only thing that matters is whether your coalition is stronger in getting/blocking legislative action than your opposing coalition's. AND what you compare your coalition's accomplishments to is NOT the magic unicorn narrative, its what that other coalition would have done if they had a coalition that overpowered yours - from that correct perspective, we should all get on our knees and thank God for what Obama's coalition accomplished and PREVENTED.

- Other than a bloody revolution (that very few today are dumb enough or have the gonads to undertake), THERE IS NO OTHER WAY to accomplish or block ANYTHING poltical. Having a narrative is an element of the means to getting a coalition that overpowers the opposing coalition and actually gets/blocks the desired legislative action, the Executive prerogatives and changes the Judiciary, BUT anyone who thinks that a narrative is the be all and end all is about as politically naïve as an adult can be - there's a reason why most Berniebots are young.

Where did you get this notion that the ACA is in trouble? Have you been taking one too many peeks into Faux News? I suggest if you can't stop that peeking into that weirdness that you should try something a little less problematic for your brain - LSD.
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Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
I really hope Bernie turns his campaign into a PAC for helping progressive down-ticket candidates, and put pressure to remove Payday Loan Debbie and replace her with a progressive as head of the Democratic Party.
This may surprise you, but I'm in complete agreement with you on this.
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Post#1253 at 05-02-2016 09:12 PM by XYMOX_4AD_84 [at joined Nov 2012 #posts 3,073]
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Quote Originally Posted by pbrower2a View Post
I still see 2001-2008 as the inglorious and practically-inevitable end phase of a 3T, what I call the Degeneracy. Such happens when business, culture, and politics reach their low points of content and caution. The tendencies toward weak and ineffective government because people are unwilling to allow anyone to say no to their more primitive drives that might have been checked earlier are no longer checked. The rich get unusually rapacious and demanding; the mass culture reaches its maximum of debauchery, and politics reflect practically what Aleister Crowley offered as "Do what thou wilt". There may be loud moralizers, but those often prove hypocritical in the extreme. People are looking for quick bucks without obvious service or capital formation, and they commoditize wealth as in few other times.

The Double-Zero Decade looks much like the 1920s, with George W. Bush telescoping the tendencies of three awful Presidents who did twelve years of neglect and harm together (Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover) into eight years, only to throw in some wars for profit. Not surprisingly Americans turn against that, but more likely because of the military bumbling than because of the economic collapse.

Barack Obama tried to shorten and mollify the economic collapse, but he did so by rescuing the economic elites. Those elites turned on him and gave us the Tea Party with even harder-Right ideology than that associated with George W. Bush. People who believe that no human suffering is in excess so long as the elites get whatever they want, for which there is no limit, will thwart any social justice if they can.




The first wave of Idealist leadership is usually horrid. The narcissism, ruthlessness, and arrogance come to the fore. Just think of when the Transcendental southerners tried to force their formulation of slavery as a great virtue upon the rest of America. The worst exploiters often insist upon being seen as benefactors to those that they exploit, and often punish anyone who disputes such severely. Think also of the eugenecist wave of the Missionary generation, people who thought that the economy had to promote rewards for being part of the 'best-bred' parts of society... which fits the suppression of labor unions and groups supporting the rights of minorities.



The solution to the economic meltdown was, all in all, the return to small business as the only reliable way to create wealth -- and it had to create wealth before it could create income beyond the level of bare survival of owners. Small business that barely survives is hard to tax because it has low profits. It must serve with quality of service, as it can't mass-purchase advertising as can corporate behemoths. Neither can it solve its problems by paying lobbyists and making political contributions. The 1930s may have been the best time in any that any living Americans can now know for starting a small business. Assets were available at fire-sale prices without the fire. Labor was very cheap -- and good.



Time is running out on the Boom generation. In 2020 the youngest Boomers turn 60, which means that any Boomer President elected in 2020 or later will be 64 at the end of the first term of the Presidency. I do not see Hillary Clinton as an improvement over Barack Obama, who acts more like John Adams, Grover Cleveland, Harry Truman, or Dwight Eisenhower than like any Boomer. He is a mature Reactive.

The ideal follow-up to Barack Obama would be a new JFK. The Republicans have nothing like him -- and Hillary Clinton certainly is no John F. Kennedy. We need a surge of optimism, and not of cynicism. Donald Trump? He exemplifies all that is wrong with Idealist generations -- rapaciousness, ruthlessness, selfishness, and arrogance. Culture? It's the culture of the casino and reality television. Vision? Himself as the focus of all attention without anyone judging his behavior. Education? The content of his speeches is almost as low-brow as one would expect of Bloods or Crips. He's strong on Idealist vices, and weak on Idealist virtues. Warren G. Harding was like that, too.



Processes will matter more than personalities this time.
Overall, late 90s through 2008 were like what I imagined the 20s to be like. I even tried my best to become an alcoholic (but my enzymes or lack thereof would not allow it).
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Quote Originally Posted by XYMOX_4AD_84 View Post
Overall, late 90s through 2008 were like what I imagined the 20s to be like. I even tried my best to become an alcoholic (but my enzymes or lack thereof would not allow it).
That's one good thing to fail at!
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Post#1255 at 05-02-2016 11:58 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by XYMOX_4AD_84 View Post
Overall, late 90s through 2008 were like what I imagined the 20s to be like. I even tried my best to become an alcoholic (but my enzymes or lack thereof would not allow it).
It was like the 20s with the fruitless prudish culture battles, silly pop culture, wasteful speculation, blind leadership. But I think the 20s were more fun, and stretched more social boundaries. The 00s were a blank slate culturally and politically. They might as well not have happened, except for the damage that happened. We all can subtract 10 years from our age for having lived through 10 blank years (or at least 9).
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Post#1256 at 05-03-2016 02:25 AM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
It was like the 20s with the fruitless prudish culture battles, silly pop culture, wasteful speculation, blind leadership. But I think the 20s were more fun, and stretched more social boundaries. The 00s were a blank slate culturally and politically. They might as well not have happened, except for the damage that happened. We all can subtract 10 years from our age for having lived through 10 blank years (or at least 9).
9/11 took the joy out of the Double-Zero decade.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


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Post#1257 at 05-03-2016 09:18 AM by marypoza [at joined Jun 2015 #posts 374]
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Will IN get berned today? Or will the cheating prevail?







Post#1258 at 05-03-2016 09:21 AM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
If you are saying, the people do, through movements; I agree with you. So did FDR.
No, I was saying that no one in a position to get nominated has the vision and drive necessary to lead the movement for positive change. No one. Trump seems ready to lead us into the fire, and many seem ready to go. So the real choice is catastrophic change or more of the same. Neither is in any way appealing, though the former is also dangerous. That is the only reason I'll vote for Hillary ... self defense.
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Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
I really hope Bernie turns his campaign into a PAC for helping progressive down-ticket candidates, and put pressure to remove Payday Loan Debbie and replace her with a progressive as head of the Democratic Party.
Good ideas. Bernie can't get nominated and Hillary is not likely to adopt his policies, so focusing on Congress is the best option. The Dems have had far better leadership. Can they convince Howard Dean to give it another go?
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Quote Originally Posted by marypoza View Post
Will IN get berned today? Or will the cheating prevail?
It has to be one or the other, I guess
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Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post
No, I was saying that no one in a position to get nominated has the vision and drive necessary to lead the movement for positive change. No one. Trump seems ready to lead us into the fire, and many seem ready to go. So the real choice is catastrophic change or more of the same. Neither is in any way appealing, though the former is also dangerous. That is the only reason I'll vote for Hillary ... self defense.
Wouldn't you agree though, that movements for change don't necessarily come from leaders, but from the people? In fact, don't they usually do? And that there are movements for change today?
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Quote Originally Posted by pbrower2a View Post
9/11 took the joy out of the Double-Zero decade.
Yes, but I would say it was not there in any case.
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IN is getting a little singed.....







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Yes, he's beating my projection of a narrow Clinton victory so far. This could be a boost to his campaign, although he's not getting enough of a lead from IN to win the nomination, according to my projections.

Pundits had written about labor conditions and the effect of trade deals in IN that is similar to where he won in Michigan. It looks like they were right. Pundits usually aren't, but they scored here.
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Post#1265 at 05-04-2016 10:34 AM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
Wouldn't you agree though, that movements for change don't necessarily come from leaders, but from the people? In fact, don't they usually do? And that there are movements for change today?
No. I can't think of a single movement that self-generated. Leadership can be broad rather than concentrated, but leadership is still needed.
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Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post
No. I can't think of a single movement that self-generated. Leadership can be broad rather than concentrated, but leadership is still needed.
Here's someone who gets it -

http://www.salon.com/2016/05/04/wher...on_strategies/

Where the campaigns of Ted Cruz and Bernie Sanders meet: Examining the fatal flaw in their election strategies
Cruz and Sanders both ran campaigns of ideological purity that burned bright but failed in the same way


Bernie Sanders and Ted Cruz, in most aspects, are two men who couldn’t be more different from each other: One is a hardline evangelical right winger and the other an irreligious democratic socialist. But with Cruz terminating his campaign Tuesday night, in the face of impossibly long odds of winning the primary race against Donald Trump, it is worth taking a look at the similarities of the Cruz campaign to the Sanders campaign, which is facing similarly impossible odds, despite a primary win in Indiana over Hillary Clinton.

Because, while Cruz and Sanders differ wildly on their beliefs, there are striking parallels between the way they construct their political identities and therefore their presidential campaigns. Both men are senators who consciously hold themselves at a distance from the party they caucus with, insisting that the party is stocked with a bunch of compromising sellouts. Both men insist that they represent a truer and deeper version of the organizing ideology (conservatism and progressivism, respectively). Both are believers in the idea that their side’s losses are the result of quislings in their party capitulating too readily to the other side and that they would see tremendous wins, revolution even, if they just stood their ground a little more firmly.

(The big difference is Cruz managed to alienate most of his colleagues, whereas most Democrats seem to have no real beef with Sanders, which probably because the latter isn’t a ignormous asshole who mistreats every person he encounters.)

Unsurprisingly, then, that Cruz and Sanders ran basically the same campaign, based around appeals of ideological purity. One of Cruz’s most common tics was to call himself a “true conservative” and to imply that anyone who didn’t agree with his rigid views was just a pretender. Similarly, Sanders campaigned routinely on the idea that he was the only real progressive in the race, and that Clinton’s claims to hold progressive ideas were dishonest.

Both men claimed that it was this very purity that would win them elections, by turning out huge numbers of voters who had previously been checked out, due to disgust with politics as usual. Cruz was fond of claiming that 50 million evangelical voters had sat out voting for Mitt Romney, suggesting that he, as a true believer and member of their tribe, would be able to turn out those votes.

Sanders similarly argue that he would win because, “we can create an enormous amount of enthusiasm from working people, from young people, who will get involved in the political process and which will drive us to a very large voter turnout.”

In both cases, we did not see this stampede of previous non-voters, impassioned by hearing a man finally speaking their ideological truth, to the polls. Non-voters just kept on not voting, something Sanders has started tacitly admitting.


But while the promised revolutions haven’t materialized, that doesn’t mean that campaigning on purity doesn’t have its upsides. Clearly, this style can lend a certain tenacity to a campaign. Both Cruz and Sanders hung in way past there being any real chance of winning — Sanders still hasn’t dropped out, even though Clinton is only 163 delegates short of what she needs to win the nomination — and what seems to fuel both of them is this stubborn sense that they should be the winner, due to the aforementioned ideological purity.

Both candidates operate under this sense that the voters are only going for the other guy because they are being hoodwinked, and all they need is some more education and they’ll come around. (That’s what the “New York values” and Wall Street attacks are all about.) That kind of thinking lends itself to stubbornness, since you can always convince yourself that one more pamphlet or debate is what will turn the ship around.


It’s also why both campaigns have flirted with (and in Sanders’s case, continue to flirt with) the idea that they can win in a contested convention, even if they lost with the majority of voters. If you believe that the reason that people don’t agree with you is because they haven’t had a chance to hear you out, it’s easy to believe that a convention environment favors you, because all you need to do, in your mind, is simply get these folks in a conversation and they will see the light.

But the simple truth is that there hasn’t ever really been much reason to think this. Both candidates have had ample time to make their case, but their opponents have still garnered a greater share of the votes. While supporters of both have endless excuses for this, arguing that the majority is either being bamboozled or bought off, the more likely explanation is that their opponents simply have a more appealing pitch to the voters.

Ultimately, Cruz and Sanders share a fatal flaw, one that is common in politics generally but becomes more pronounced in campaigns built around ideological purity: The assumption that “people like me” are more common and representative than they are, simply because you see more of them in your day-to-day life. Call it the “silent majority” fallacy, if you will. Cruz’s assumption that there are millions of unacknowledged evangelicals laying in wait, ready to spring into action once activated, is likely the result of him personally knowing a lot of evangelicals and assuming they are more common than they are. Similarly, Sanders and his supporters have a tendency to speak as if the people who come out to vote for him are the mainstream, and to talk about Clinton supporters in dismissive terms, as if they are fringe or unrepresentative.

This kind of thinking makes it hard to build a COALITION, because you assume that your existing constituency is enough and you don’t really need to do the hard work of wooing people that are different from you. The results speak for themselves. The Cruz campaign basically ignored the millions of conservatives who aren’t particularly moved by religion and the result is a losing campaign. The Sanders campaign has written off traditional Democratic constituencies, like people of color and working women, concentrating instead on turning out independents and the white male voters that they already had.

It’s too late, really, for the Sanders campaign to learn much from the missteps of the Cruz campaign. But it’s worth noting these similarities when it comes to future campaigns from insurgent candidates who want to hold down a position further from the center than their opponent. Believing yourself to be on a moral crusade can help you weather storms, but it can also lead to blinkered thinking and poor outreach. Cruz has admitted that he’s lost this round. Sanders should probably consider doing the same.
Let's hope Rep. Joseph Patrick "Joe" Kennedy III studies both the Sanders and Cruz movements of 2016 to be a good COALITION, as well a movement, nominee in 2024.
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Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post
No. I can't think of a single movement that self-generated. Leadership can be broad rather than concentrated, but leadership is still needed.
I can't think of a movement that wasn't generated by the people, and not by a leader. Most movements come from the people; but yes, leaders are needed and important. Leaders provide a driver for the vehicle, as it were. And there are leaders at all levels, so that the distinction between leaders and people breaks down at micro levels. Many individuals take initiative to get things going, and when they work in tandem and serendipity with others, a movement is generated.

And a movement happens when the zeitgeist is ripe for it. That's also where the turnings theory comes in; is a movement in accord with the social mood and our place within the various cycles of time? Does it answer the needs of the time? In that sense, the need of the time and our place in the larger process generates movements. Individuals alone can do nothing. Just like Jesus said; "of myself I can do nothing. The Father within doeth the work."

In this case, Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump have become leaders of movements and trends already existing. These leaders merely gave them expression in a political process. In Bernie's case, the Occupy Wall Street movement preceded him and helped provide him with some human momentum and some slogans.

But if a leader of a movement is defeated or dies, another might come along. And all leaders are just the drivers of a vehicle that is larger than the leader; and yes, movements (and all life) is self-generating.

And, google is even making self-driving cars. That's just an analogy though.

I am not convinced that Hillary Rodham Clinton cannot be a good leader and president. I always thought she could be, even despite her drawbacks. And, then there will be other leaders.
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Will WVa get Berned today? Stay tuned......







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Quote Originally Posted by mockingbirdstl View Post
I was there!

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...west-virginia/







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Quote Originally Posted by mockingbirdstl View Post
That's exactly the kind of adulation of a relatively smaller-sized, purity-based "movement" that keeps it from reaching out and becoming a larger, and winning, "coalition."

Hopefully, Progressives will learn the lesson of 2016 without having to pay the ultimate price of a President Trump.
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Well WVA got singed







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Quote Originally Posted by marypoza View Post
Well WVA got singed
Congratulations!

It looks like Sanders' net pickup of 5 delegates in WV almost compensates for his net lose of 9 in Guam. Woo-hoo!

Troubling that exit polls show 44% (nearly half) of Sanders' WV voters will be voting for Trump in the Fall. Do you think we got rat-fuXked in WV (GOP crossovers hoping for a Sanders win to run against in the Fall) or do you think there's a large number of Sanders' supporters who, well, are just a little light on their Progressive credentials?

Ah, doesn't matter. Clinton only needs 144 more delegates. This silly season will be done in less than a month now.
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Post#1275 at 05-11-2016 10:36 AM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
... Ah, doesn't matter. Clinton only needs 144 more delegates. This silly season will be done in less than a month now.
We haven't even started to see silly yet. Trump's one chance to win involves sucking all the oxygen from the room. He's been really expert in that department, so expect this same behavior on steroids.

If he gets 80% of the attention, it will be good for him. It will be Crazy Donald against What's-her-name.
Marx: Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Lennon: You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die.
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