Just say this:
Twenty years ago, Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people, and it changed absolutely nothing.
Dylann Roof kills nine people, and it changes everything.
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How To Win Any Argument With A "Theory Doubter"
Just say this:
Twenty years ago, Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people, and it changed absolutely nothing.
Dylann Roof kills nine people, and it changes everything.
But maybe if the putative Robin Hoods stopped trying to take from law-abiding citizens and give to criminals, take from men and give to women, take from believers and give to anti-believers, take from citizens and give to "undocumented" immigrants, and take from heterosexuals and give to homosexuals, they might have a lot more success in taking from the rich and giving to everyone else.
Don't blame me - I'm a Baby Buster!
"Everything?" Well that might be a bit optimistic. It did, however, seem to change a lot. Be nice if it stayed changed for a while.Originally Posted by '58 Flat
" ... a man of notoriously vicious and intemperate disposition."
I've been startled by how viscous and quickly the public turned on the flag and the Confederacy. Things have been simmering since the mid '80s and then in a span of 4 days, the battle was over. I've also been startled by how fast gay marriage became the law.
Since so many black swan events are happening, I predict the election will boil down to Bernie vs Trump and economically a complete collapse anytime from now until 2023. It's getting weird out there.
I imagine that by the time this is all over in the early-mid 2020's the world will be practically unrecognizable from 1999
Tonight I'm gonna party like it's 19 ... 99.
LOL!
Until this - and those twin SCOTUS rulings on ObamaCare and same-sex marriage - I had been, quite literally, complaining about the lack of any signs that a genuine 4T had ever taken hold.
It is impossible to hold that same view now.
But maybe if the putative Robin Hoods stopped trying to take from law-abiding citizens and give to criminals, take from men and give to women, take from believers and give to anti-believers, take from citizens and give to "undocumented" immigrants, and take from heterosexuals and give to homosexuals, they might have a lot more success in taking from the rich and giving to everyone else.
Don't blame me - I'm a Baby Buster!
Not only are we well into the 4T (and BTW, I've been surprised and amused by recent claims we are still carousing in the 3T!), the first signs of the dawn ... aka the Regeneracy, are appearing along the horizon.
I know "viscous and quickly" is spelling error, but it is funny.
Yes, it's beginning to look a lot like 4T!
I predict, as you may know, that the economic collapse will not be complete. But other, perhaps more-surprising, events will happen, and faster than we thought they would happen (or at least thought a month ago)!
Remember though, these were Court decisions, plus a change in symbolism at the state level. Real regeneracy will mean deeper change brought about through congress as well, and through possible rebellions and repressions, as well as likely responses to the foreign dangers revving up even more. Although some have mentioned the near-unified response to ISIS last year as a nascent regeneracy also.
Make that late 2020s and 2007, and I agree.I imagine that by the time this is all over in the early-mid 2020's the world will be practically unrecognizable from 1999
Last edited by Eric the Green; 07-10-2015 at 04:32 PM.
Funny you mention this, Tony, my coworker said something similar this morning and he didn't even know about the theory.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
Nice typo!
The Blue Culture has won and the Confederate Flag once again represents a defeated enemy. I think what Brian Rush has called the "American Civil Conflict" (of which the Civil War was just the most bloody part) is now coming to an end.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
Hummmm, the Confederate battle flag may be relegated to the museums, but the core division between the political cultures remains. The pro Confederate core in the South and elsewhere will switch to another form of visible resistance. They've been doing it since 1865, they're good at it. What form it will take, I wouldn't speculate. But it will happen, just wait.Nice typo!
The Blue Culture has won and the Confederate Flag once again represents a defeated enemy. I think what Brian Rush has called the "American Civil Conflict" (of which the Civil War was just the most bloody part) is now coming to an end.
Put the Confederate flag in appropriate company -- with flags of such discredited and defunct entities as the old Soviet Union, East Germany, Romania under Ceausescu, Derg-ruled Ethiopia, Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge, racist South Africa, racist Rhodesia, Libya under Qaddafi, and Iraq under Saddam Hussein.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
Or they'll stick with the current form of resistance.
S. Carolina is only one state. Are any others joining in? Not that I've heard, yet.
Nobody ever got to a single truth without talking nonsense fourteen times first.
- Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
The Bonnie Blue Flag? After all, it even has its own song attached to it which promotes the narrative they prefer.
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."
True, and it's not like we see Mississippi rushing to change their state flag. I was about to add Georgia to that list, but they changed from the old state flag that prominently featured the battle flag to a state flag that's more based off of the official flag of the confederacy (the Stars and Bars), so good for Georgia (I'm perfectly fine with Confederate descendents flying the Stars and Bars, the Stainless Banner (sometimes confused with the flag of surrender), the Bloodstained Banner, or even the Bonnie Blue Flag--most especially the Bonnie Blue Flag as I think it's the best of the lot as far as flags go, so GA changing to the Stars & Bars design is a-okay with me, all the power to them). SC though, admittedly has always been the front-runner in the South in terms of trends--that's one thing that's been consistent throughout history. As goes SC, so will eventually the rest of the south... eventually.
Should note that in the past few days Mississippi has seen a surge in state flag sales.
Mississippi:
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."
Flags of any kind are only a small piece of the issue. There are civil war monuments sprinkled all over the south.
Here's just one example, in a predominantly black neighborhood:
http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local...park/29966959/
Nobody ever got to a single truth without talking nonsense fourteen times first.
- Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
In Alabama the governor did order the flag taken down. Apparently under their rules it can be done without an act of the legislature. In Mississippi there seems to be resistance to changing the state flag. And as far as I know those are the only states that have recently had that flag flown on state grounds.
Which would make SC one of the last holdouts rather than the leader.
For some reason the Mississippi flag doesn't bother me so much. Maybe I would feel differently if I lived there, but the confederate flag on its own is what I've learned to associate with dickwads. I've been called a "nigger," and a "yankee" in Texas, and honestly I'm not sure which one they thought was the greater insult. That's why I have zero sympathy at this point. Yeah sure it's your history, but your history is seriously fucked.
Nobody ever got to a single truth without talking nonsense fourteen times first.
- Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
My history? Have I ever posted anything on this forum defending the Confederate/neoConfederate point of view?
Actually, living in the South I find the battle flag quite a boring piece of cloth to look at. From interacting with people I have come to generally associate it with people who at best do not examine what they've been told and at worst willingly accept things that harm others. And I'll leave it at that.
They all belong in the darker corners of museums...They are a part of history. And those who can't remember history....
The "cleansing of the culture" predicted for the 4T by S & H proceeds apace. It's really funny, though, that it came from the opposite end of the Culture Wars than what they seemed to be expecting.
No sorry, I meant that as a general "you," directed at the butthurt folks whining about their "heritage." I see them as worse than you see them, I think.
But I'll add that Texas has come a long way in the last 40 years, as the old farts die off and people move in from other states.
Nobody ever got to a single truth without talking nonsense fourteen times first.
- Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
Am I the only one here who doesn't seem to think anything has changed.
It depends on what you mean. Like I said, the change I've seen (in Texas) has been gradual, and leaves much room for improvement.
I can see how northern liberals might want to do a victory dance, over both gay marriage and the confederate flag, but they don't really understand what everyday life is like for minorities in the south.
Nobody ever got to a single truth without talking nonsense fourteen times first.
- Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
