I'm a Baroque Era fan, so this has always been one of my favorites.Originally Posted by Felix5
When I first heard this in 7th Grade Music class it was like a religious revelation.
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I'm a Baroque Era fan, so this has always been one of my favorites.
When I first heard this in 7th Grade Music class it was like a religious revelation.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
As for something for modern, I'm also a fan of Gustav Holst.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
And fitting one of the vilest causes ever, the KKK:
Primitive, barbarous, sinister, violent, and nocturnal. Expose the cause to light and it vanishes
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
I think this is one of his most well known pieces, it's funny because people always associate it with Dracula. I don't even know where it comes from. He always seems to portray a sentiment of isolation without the melancholy that a lot of composers (especially Baroque composers) often use. Teleman, Vivaldi, and Correli exude angst in their music. Bach's music simply exists in a state of isolation.When I first heard this in 7th Grade Music class it was like a religious revelation.
My favorite piece from bach is Prelude and Fugue in G minor
I was listening to this piece the other day, it's based on La Folla
Oddly enough I enjoyed it better than the original
Last edited by Felix5; 08-29-2015 at 11:58 PM.
In Goedel, Escher, Bach, Douglas Hofstader suggested that an alien culture from another star system would 'get' Bach more than any cultural creator. (He wrote of the richly-contrapuntal works of J S Bach, and not of the cantatas, very different works in purpose and language -- a potential qualification on my part).
Music is full of mathematical relationships.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
I'm going to rant some more here: If you want to compare Restorationism to something; this time I'll use fictional examples. The establishment of Restorationism would be like if we established a Jedi order to help in our defense.
Or Sith?
Well, that does confirm you're living in fantasy land.
As you prefer autocratic militarism, though, I would suggest the Sith would be a better match for your philosophy.
Utopian dreamers, like you and Kinser fascinate me. Looking at the end result of either of your seemingly different desired outcomes, we see a tedious sameness, that most of the folks get to be drudges, and the only ones who get to live the "good life" are those with enough power to maintain themselves on the top of the heap, calling the shots.
The True Believer, however, always thinks that he/she is one of the Chosen, one who gets to bask in the glory of the shining city on the hill, while the rest of us make the beds, till the fields and empty the slop buckets.
" ... a man of notoriously vicious and intemperate disposition."
Every utopia has some deficiency that its founders never imagined -- some deficiency that the children hate.
In my experience almost every adult spends his adulthood running from what one saw in excess in childhood and seeking to the extreme what one missed in childhood. Getting thrust back into realization of the world that one has outgrown is a nightmare. I know that nightmare all too well. I am expected to love more of the same of what I loathe and consider it all a blessing.
Just think of what Howe and Strauss had to say of the children of the Puritans of New England who saw so much world-denying religiosity that they craved the antithesis.
There is no Perfect Universe, but there are some Hells on Earth -- or in my case, Hells of the Mind.
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The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
Under Restorationism we will take the gloves OFF: Shooting carpet-bombing enemy cities and industry would be extensively utilized, shooting enemy combatants who surrendered but were killing our troops prior to that. Shooting defeated enemies would not be considered a crime. No mercy to those who would not show mercy to us. Our country would be feared again.
As a musician, I prefer to play Baroque music. It is liberating about it in performance that doesn't have the straight-jacket of Neo-Classical nor the emotionally draining capacity of the Romantic.
There's often the invitation in Baroque music for the performer to make it their own, as well as the expectation that they would improvise, which is what I love about it. You don't see that in the world of music until modern day with Jazz and actually with the wide collections of "covers" and the amount of ornamentation people pile onto simple songs like the National Anthem (perhaps to too much excess on that particular song).
My personal favorite Baroque composer though... having had it as an ear worm for the past few months has to be Purcell.
~Chas'88
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"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."
As a musician, I prefer to play Baroque music. It is liberating about it in performance that doesn't have the straight-jacket of Neo-Classical nor the emotionally draining capacity of the Romantic.
I always assumed improvisation mostly occurred in live performances. There would be no point in writing improvisation in composition because most compositions were original copies, never to be seen by anyone except for the composer and possibly the one time musician. Baroque has a lot of ornamentation to it, improvisation seems only natural.There's often the invitation in Baroque music for the performer to make it their own, as well as the expectation that they would improvise, which is what I love about it. You don't see that in the world of music until modern day with Jazz and actually with the wide collections of "covers" and the amount of ornamentation people pile onto simple songs like the National Anthem (perhaps to too much excess on that particular song).
Purcell is great, one of England's best. I actually have to go with Vivaldi, I find him to be both overrated and underrated by classical music fans. Most people know the four seasons, but beyond that I don't know if they could name much else. Some of his opera arias and vocal work are incredibly haunting. Nisi Dominus is one of my favorite's, I also really love this aria. Bach was extremely influenced by his work and famously re worked a lot of Vivaldi's music. His work can be incredibly driving and ethereal
And let's not forget about Handel
I sang the high soprano parts in college when we performed most of The Messiah. If you were to hear me talk now, you would laugh at the idea that I was a high soprano, but there you are.
After performing it, just as a choir singer, it felt as if the top of my head had been blown off. It was very difficult and exhilarating. It's not my favorite piece of music, but it is incredible to sing. Some of those notes were like whistling. I was on a 24-hour adrenaline rush afterwards.
All of these posts just make me want to listen and listen.
Purcell is 'one of England's best composers'? Who is better? Robert Simpson? (comparatively unknown, but well worth the acquaintance). Malcolm Arnold? Vaughan-Williams? Tippett? Holst? Elgar? Parry?
You'd have to go to Thomas Tallis, perhaps...
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
It would be the new Evil Empire -- the Fourth Reich.
Take your sociopathic screeds where they might be more welcome -- like "Stormfront".
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
When I was a teen raiding my dad's classical collection, there was a record of harpsichord pieces by Francois Couperin that I used to play over and over. This was one of my favorite pieces (called, coincidentally, "La Favorite"):
This is not the same recording, but it is somewhat similar. I wish I could remember the name of the harpsichordist on that record. She had a very dramatic way of playing. I remember what the album cover looked like--it was black with court jesters and acrobats on it. My dad probably bought in the 60s.
Nomad Female
"Good girls go to heaven, bad girls go everywhere." --Mae West
Nomad INFP
"Sunday morning is every day for all I care, and I'm not scared...Now my candle's in a daze 'cause I've found God." --Kurt Cobain
Not Handel?
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"Good girls go to heaven, bad girls go everywhere." --Mae West
Nomad INFP
"Sunday morning is every day for all I care, and I'm not scared...Now my candle's in a daze 'cause I've found God." --Kurt Cobain
Nice one.
Was it Wanda Landowska?This is not the same recording, but it is somewhat similar. I wish I could remember the name of the harpsichordist on that record. She had a very dramatic way of playing. I remember what the album cover looked like--it was black with court jesters and acrobats on it. My dad probably bought in the 60s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wanda_Landowska
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Wanda_Landowska.aspx
I have a record or two of her playing Bach.
I also like a certain organist playing a Couperin piece
Handel was the greatest British composer; except that he was not British by birth of course.
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And if their dream does come true, and become one of the Chosen, they are often soon carried off in a coffin or have their heads displayed to the cheering crowd.
Last edited by Eric the Green; 08-31-2015 at 02:28 AM.
OK -- in the sense that Igor Stravinsky is the greatest American composer.
Last edited by pbrower2a; 08-31-2015 at 10:09 AM.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
Idealist boomers like Pbrower refuse to acknowledge the truth of human nature. In the real world there are only predators and prey, Restorationism will ensure that we would be the strongest of predators.
Like the sabre-toothed tiger?
" ... a man of notoriously vicious and intemperate disposition."
Predators? The only two large land predators doing well are humans and dogs. Tigers are in danger of extinction in the wild.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
To be specific...
We're actually omnivores rather than predators.
Is there a latin derived noun that says "gets food from grocery stores?"
That's really interesting, I've always wanted to sing baroque but I'm a contralto. A lot of music isn't really written for low female voices, but rather high male voices. There is certainly a difference in tessitura and vocal weight, making a lot of the repertoire a bit awkward for me. It's exhilarating to listen to baroque music, It almost seems impossible for any human being to sing.I sang the high soprano parts in college when we performed most of The Messiah. If you were to hear me talk now, you would laugh at the idea that I was a high soprano, but there you are.
After performing it, just as a choir singer, it felt as if the top of my head had been blown off. It was very difficult and exhilarating. It's not my favorite piece of music, but it is incredible to sing. Some of those notes were like whistling. I was on a 24-hour adrenaline rush afterwards.
All of these posts just make me want to listen and listen.
A lot of it was written for castratos who were known for having extreme flexibility, range, and color in their voices. They could sing entire passages in a minute without taking a breath!
Last edited by Felix5; 09-02-2015 at 01:24 AM.
