Discussion of the truth is not goofy but your armed rebellion notions are way goofy.Originally Posted by Dboy
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Discussion of the truth is not goofy but your armed rebellion notions are way goofy.
Right? I mean, if you're actually seriously about this sort of thing, what are you doing admitting to potential insurrection HERE?
Particularly when there is no need. Whatever the debt is, so long as it is denominated in US Dollars the Federal Government can pay it off by creating said dollars. The US isn't Zimbabwe or even Weimar Germany (in the former the debt was denominated primarily in US Dollars, in the later gold).
That being said openly discussing armed insurrection on the inter-webs is generally a bad idea. Professional revolutionaries like myself never discuss actions on the internet, or for that matter even on the phone. You meet in a park or a restaurant (not even the British Surveillance State has managed to bug all the tables at every McDonald's) discuss what you need to discuss and then part your ways.
Indeed the more things are planned online the more likely a group is to be infiltrated, and then disassembled.
OK, but let's shed some light on this from my cosmic perspective.
First, Hillary is somewhere between a progressive like Sanders, and a New Democrat like her husband was as president. So I don't see a progressive revolt against her. I see grudging acquiesence to her among progressives.
Is she a neo-con? Well, she's more aggressive in her foreign policy, like neo-cons, but much more sensible about it. I think she would more likely do just what's needed. Some progressives won't like it, but she's not going to start a new war, since a new American war is not due until 2025, so she's largely safe from an anti-war movement.
I'm not sure she will be re-elected in 2020 anyway, so it may well be some other dude or dudette who undergoes the crisis climax, which isn't due to start until 2025 anyway.
As I wrote above, a left/right combo revolution would break apart anyway, if successful; leading to more civil war, and probably a rapid comeback by the Establishment. So, such a Revolution will quickly fail. I think it's more likely to come from the Right only, because most Millennials (who will dominate the voting in 2024) will be happy enough with a moderate-progressive leader, which they will elect; but the right-wing will not be happy. In fact, they will be bloody furious. But their revolt will fail too, although it may last for a couple of years.
But YOU discuss it. Is Dboy any more specific in his plans than you are?
And where exactly have I ever discussed anything about Marxism-Leninism or my Party that wasn't public knowledge anyway?
And did Dboy do that?
On armed revolt...I believe that when (not if) it happens, it will be a spontaneous response to an action by the government. And I don't think it can be predicted in advance..like my previous example of Rosa Parks. Why did people focus on that particular event during the civil rights movement? Who knows. Not predictable, but inevitable. It won't happen due to someone having a plan.
Monday, D.C. District Court Judge Richard Leon ordered a halt to the NSA’s bulk metadata collection program, calling the practice “unconstitutional” and “Orwellian.”
https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin...2013cv0851-158
Some quotes by Judge Leon:
“Moved by whatever momentary evil has aroused their fears, officials — perhaps even supported by a majority of citizens — may be tempted to conduct searches that sacrifice the liberty of each citizen to assuage the perceived evil. But the Fourth Amendment rests on the principle that a true balance between the individual and society depends on the recognition of ‘the right to be let [sic] alone — the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men."
“In my December 2013 Opinion, I stayed my order pending appeal in light of the national security interests at stake and the novelty of the constitutional issues raised. I did so with the optimistic hope that the appeals process would move expeditiously. However, because it has been almost two years since I first found that the NSA’s Bulk Telephony Metadata Program likely violates the Constitution and because of the loss of constitutional freedoms for even one day is a significant harm […] I will not do that today.”
“Because the loss of constitutional freedoms is an ‘irreparable injury’ of the highest order, and relief to the two named plaintiffs would not undermine national security interests, I found that a preliminary injunction was not merely warranted — it was required.”
My prediction...These illegal activities will continue, because we are dealing with a rogue state. Sure, they will invent some legalesque mumbo-jumbo in order to justify it, just as one would expect a rogue state to do. These court cases will continue for awhile. They will argue about when it's ok to torture people, when it's ok to violate various bits of the Constitution, when it's ok to arm foreign terrorists, when it's ok to turn the government intelligence agencies on the domestic population, etc. This will all proceed with an air of reasonableness and prudence. And then, as happens with all failing Empires, the gloves will come off and the brutish nature of the State will be revealed for all to see. When that happens, then the next thing will happen. Activists will not need to use anti-state propaganda or direct action. A simple reporting of the facts will be revealing enough.
"If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal" --Emma Goldman
Last edited by Dboy; 11-11-2015 at 08:58 PM.
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You would have to ask him that. I'm either not privy to any sekret information he has, or if I am I'm not telling anyway (because....reasons).
Hmm, and now the Right is rising EVEN IN FRANCE, the classic home of the left-wing "progressive" cheese-eating surrender monkeys. Who'da thunk? Not surprising at all if you'd all been paying attention. Bet they wish they had their gun rights about now. But no, they bought into the myth that their govt would protect them. They bought into the idea of outsourcing their violence to a professional class of brutes and politicians. Doesn't ever work out. Defense in depth makes you strong. Relying on others for your protection means giving away everything you have.
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So people everywhere should carry guns, and that would make us safe. Well, some people disagree with your right-wing solution Dboy.
If he did "that" (reveal his secrets), then you can read it here on this thread. I don't think he did.
Well OF COURSE "some people" (lol) disagree. I'm sure "some people" would like all of Europe to simply surrender to muslim savages as well. No surprise there. The majority are nearly always idiots. That's why the Constitution was designed with indirect democracy (look it up). The founders were truly geniuses, unlike the devolved mass of simpletons in D.C. at this late stage.
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You are a vile person if that is what you call innocent Syrians fleeing from a war zone.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
How many "refugees" is Israel taking in? No need to look it up, it's zero. They ain't stupid.
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And just like that, progressive fantasies go up in flames....
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Actually a better question should be how many "refugees" is Iran, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan and Egypt taking in.
Jordan is bursting at the seams, so they're fully in. I doubt the others will risk the potential social issues.
Marx: Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Lennon: You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die.
On topic: Provided the word "revolution" nowadays signifies something more than just an anachronism, to cause one you have to speak to the heart of the oppressed masses, and that sure as hell isn't what the left is doing.
So in principle, the OP is correct. A revolution can only come from the right.
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I see your wikipedia and Raise you BBC:
Yes, Europe is being overrun. Apparently, the Brits are also relying on the camps in Jordan and Lebanon rather than just letting the wave of humanity crash into the continent. At the same time, Jean-Claude Juncker and Angela Merkel are incapable of showing compassion to the Greeks, yet trip over their feet offering asylum to the un-vetted masses arriving from the most disturbed areas on the planet. I guess money is more important.
Marx: Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Lennon: You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die.
Actually I think they are looking at sources of cheap labor really rather than stopping to consider that unless these people are vetted, and actual refugees being removed and taken in and the rest left behind they are basically inviting ISIS into Europe.
The masses are starting to realize this and hence the rise of European Nationalism (again) and with it parties like UKIP. Indeed, I expect a Brexit soon and once the UK leaves you can expect Ireland, Greece, Spain, Italy and Portugal to follow and they will likely be followed by other countries too. In short the EU will fail. I for one think that would be a good thing.
Sure they are. The masses are oppressed by the greedy big business and corporate world. The Left seeks to reduce its power. The Left speaks to the heart of the oppressed masses, yes. It seeks to return the government to the people. Yes, that's what the oppressed masses want. Real democracy.
A rebellion from the right is an attempt to turn back the clock and go back to oppressive times.So in principle, the OP is correct. A revolution can only come from the right.
The odd thing is that I can see truth in both perspectives and yet reject core premises of both. On one hand, I will say that I happen to agree with much of what dboy has said in this thread about the govt being illegitimate and I think that it is only going to be fixed when it collapses. It also befuddles me how many, for lack of a better term, Leftists appear to believe in their ability to control the beast called govt or their desire to try to use it as a force to control others and that they can accomplish this by "just passing a law or something", e.g. gun control, and that people will either obey or "Big Daddy" is going to make them and that they believe that the govt will protect them. I see it as a completely naive view. Furthermore, I just don't get all the belly aching and boo-hooing about things like the ignorant savage sand naggers from Syria. Lets be honest, if it weren't for oil those zeros would still be chucking spears at each other and I absolutely don't want them or their stupid mosques stinking up my neighborhood.
On the other hand, I happen to agree with the leftists about the oppression caused by corporate America, which is just as dangerous of a force, if not more so, than the govt. Somehow it manages to use hatred and ignorance to encourage people to support it and in turn contribute to their own (largely economic) slavery and what's more to feel GOOD about doing so. Then there is the social conservative wing that in many ways they are no different than the leftists who want to use the force of govt to push their view of ideal society on the populace as a whole.
Yeah, keep that shit to yourself, guy. If you want to be a cunt there is always Stormfront.Furthermore, I just don't get all the belly aching and boo-hooing about things like the ignorant savage sand naggers from Syria. Lets be honest, if it weren't for oil those zeros would still be chucking spears at each other and I absolutely don't want them or their stupid mosques stinking up my neighborhood.
PS "Naggers"? Really?