Originally Posted by Taramarie

Art history was a part of my course, that i actually just finished today in bachelor of multimedia. Us millies are still doing courses in art. I do not agree with xers when they tell us (and i have been told this by them) that life is just for material survival.

Super! Maybe the Millennial generation isn't as culturally-blind as GIs were. It's Corporate America that has told people since about 1980 to be thankful to them just for having food on the table in your dreary flat because such is the most that they will ever pay you. Even if your artistic expressions are commercial, they can still be good. Being good at what you do, liking the result, and getting paid for it is this Boomer's idea of success in life. I wish someone had told me that when I was young and had to discover that seemingly-self-evident reality the hard way. Had I known that I would have put more of my undergraduate effort into philosophy, art, and literature. So what if I could 'only' teach school? Status symbols are for fools.

Around 1980 the economic elites of America sold most Americans the idea that all that mattered was that if those elites were happy, then everyone else would be. That remains a broken record even if phonograph records are now at best a retro technology. Life is all about money and going on a spending spree at the mall or the box store. So what if you are underpaid! Just borrow to live the Good Life and hope that career success will pay for it.

I do not want to make the same mistake my mother made. She is in a job that does not fulfill her and she is already inwardly dead because of the lack of fulfillment living paycheck to paycheck to pay off things that she never had money for in the first place. She is a slave to the bank and to a job that does not make her happy. So, I ignore xers who tell me this. My mother's life scares me. Leisure to this millie is watching youtube vids and playing video games/computer games and a wee bit of reading. TV is dying when it comes to the millennial audience.

There is plenty of inexpensive entertainment. The one good thing about some box-store chain is that it has plenty of fine movie DVDs for about $5 each. Much of what is on the Internet is free, and I have seen some remarkable concerts on YouTube at no cost.




The above video is the opening concert of the 1990 Prague Spring Festival. This time spring arrives in Prague for the first time in 43 years with political liberty, and the Czech tradition of classical music in both composition (only Austria has more master composers in a country of similar size of population) and performance (the Czech Philharmonic is one of the greatest orchestras in the world) is up to the task of expressing it. This is quite an event. Being able to recognize such is essential to being fully human.

Originally Posted by Taramarie

But what are your thoughts on why boomers are drawn to cults compared to civic generations? I wonder if those noted silents realized that weakness of the boomers and decided to use it to their advantage or if they legitimately were crazy and just by coincidence found they came at the right time to be noticed and become powerful with their following/or times shaped them to think about spiritualism etc. I have many thoughts on this but interested what others think with a comparison of why prophets are drawn to it and really believe in whatever is told to them within a cult but civics, not so much.

Boomers are spiritually inclined; some are cultists, but most just involved in things that civics do not understand. Boomers are idealists, as defined by S&H, so they are drawn to pursuits and movements that seek new ideas to change the world. Spiritual ideas and cults are among these. Idealists, according to S&H, come of age in the time of a spiritual awakening, and are empowered and propelled by it. They are born and raised in prosperous times, or at least in times of recovery, after the crisis; times of consensus and conformity, and spiritual death. They look around at a society in which there's nothing much worthwhile around except jobs that appeal only to status-seeking and material advancement, and elders who have no inner gyroscope and do nothing but keep up with the Joneses in the rat race and wear gray flannel suits, and wonder what the point of it all is. They resonate with elder civics and artists who articulate this feeling and offer something different. In the case of Boomers, that included folks like Alan Watts, Timothy Leary, Allen Ginsberg, Bob Dylan, John Phillips, The Beatles, Ken Kesey, Theodore Roszak, Wayne Dyer, Shirley MacLaine, etc. etc. Bob Dylan wrote about "ancient empty streets too dead for dreaming." That kinda sums up the 1T that Boomers grew up in, and wanted out of.
https://youtu.be/gHSWiatjMkk

Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough

It's tough to pin down, but I would say both are followers, with the difference being that "Prophets" (an idiotic term only Boomers would use) are "rebels", while "Civics" are conformists. So the "rebellion" of the Boomers is the conformity of Millenials. The problem is that conforming to the Boomer mindset means betting your life on things that are at odds with reality.

Like bringing in tens of thousands of Syrian refugees after Paris, and calling anyone who disagrees with you a hard-hearted racist xenophobe. Boomers are willing to sacrifice the lives of their children and grandchildren (but NEVER their own, mind you) on the altar of their ideological dogma.

I do think my generation has a better grasp of reality than some hard core idealists on the whole and I see us as trying to part the info overload to find out the truth. Example of this of course is Anonymous which is run by xers and millies. The Young Turks also (online news) But we will see what the future brings for what we will turn into regarding what we on the whole follow. We are still idealist like boomers but I do see a realistic streak too so that makes us i believe a mix of xers and boomers. The GIs I hear were realistic idealists which I think is much more reasonable than airy fairy ideals that cannot be fulfilled realistically. I am not a boomer but i call them prophets because that is the archetype name. I think hero is an idiotic term however, or rather an embarrassing one that gets people laughing at us. I am all for rescuing refugees, however i also see the homeless who are natives to their country that is bringing them in and i think they should be put first however much i feel for the syrians we must fix our own issues and put our own first and not forget them. Yes, prophets have (if we take a look at their archetype in history) have been all about my way or the highway and shove younger folk in the firing line for what they want us to fight for. Once they think they are right they will not budge on that. I have not seen that kind of stubbornness on the whole with other generations. Many things I think come in to play which makes it appear they are more stubborn. One I think is due to the fact it is focused on idealism which affects us all.

Originally Posted by pbrower2a

Super! Maybe the Millennial generation isn't as culturally-blind as GIs were. It's Corporate America that has told people since about 1980 to be thankful to them just for having food on the table in your dreary flat because such is the most that they will ever pay you. Even if your artistic expressions are commercial, they can still be good. Being good at what you do, liking the result, and getting paid for it is this Boomer's idea of success in life. I wish someone had told me that when I was young and had to discover that seemingly-self-evident reality the hard way. Had I known that I would have put more of my undergraduate effort into philosophy, art, and literature. So what if I could 'only' teach school? Status symbols are for fools.

Around 1980 the economic elites of America sold most Americans the idea that all that mattered was that if those elites were happy, then everyone else would be. That remains a broken record even if phonograph records are now at best a retro technology. Life is all about money and going on a spending spree at the mall or the box store. So what if you are underpaid! Just borrow to live the Good Life and hope that career success will pay for it.



There is plenty of inexpensive entertainment. The one good thing about some box-store chain is that it has plenty of fine movie DVDs for about $5 each. Much of what is on the Internet is free, and I have seen some remarkable concerts on YouTube at no cost.




The above video is the opening concert of the 1990 Prague Spring Festival. This time spring arrives in Prague for the first time in 43 years with political liberty, and the Czech tradition of classical music in both composition (only Austria has more master composers in a country of similar size of population) and performance (the Czech Philharmonic is one of the greatest orchestras in the world) is up to the task of expressing it. This is quite an event. Being able to recognize such is essential to being fully human.

Haha well I do not really know what GIs were like other than what I have read and working around some at the rest home but they sleep a lot so it is one thing reading about them and another getting to know them in their prime, you know? So, I do not really know how we compare to them. But no, we are not culturally blind and we impress our teachers by what we come up with and our technical skills which sometimes surpass what the teachers show us. Honest. That is no brag, we quite often show them an easier or better way to do something in after effects or maya for example. We teach each other. My skills are mainly in movie making. So, I could take any job that revolves around film editing, 3D character modelling/rigging, sound editing, special effects editing, err list goes on and on but anything to do with the creation of a film or even commercials, trailers etc, logos, web design. I am a traditional artist and tech artist pretty much.

Originally Posted by pbrower2a

Super! Maybe the Millennial generation isn't as culturally-blind as GIs were. It's Corporate America that has told people since about 1980 to be thankful to them just for having food on the table in your dreary flat because such is the most that they will ever pay you. Even if your artistic expressions are commercial, they can still be good. Being good at what you do, liking the result, and getting paid for it is this Boomer's idea of success in life. I wish someone had told me that when I was young and had to discover that seemingly-self-evident reality the hard way. Had I known that I would have put more of my undergraduate effort into philosophy, art, and literature. So what if I could 'only' teach school? Status symbols are for fools.

Around 1980 the economic elites of America sold most Americans the idea that all that mattered was that if those elites were happy, then everyone else would be. That remains a broken record even if phonograph records are now at best a retro technology. Life is all about money and going on a spending spree at the mall or the box store. So what if you are underpaid! Just borrow to live the Good Life and hope that career success will pay for it.



There is plenty of inexpensive entertainment. The one good thing about some box-store chain is that it has plenty of fine movie DVDs for about $5 each. Much of what is on the Internet is free, and I have seen some remarkable concerts on YouTube at no cost.




The above video is the opening concert of the 1990 Prague Spring Festival. This time spring arrives in Prague for the first time in 43 years with political liberty, and the Czech tradition of classical music in both composition (only Austria has more master composers in a country of similar size of population) and performance (the Czech Philharmonic is one of the greatest orchestras in the world) is up to the task of expressing it. This is quite an event. Being able to recognize such is essential to being fully human.

I also must add i think it is pretty sad that people end up running for the money than doing what makes them happy. If i take a job there must be something that keeps me there while i look for something that i am trained in and what will keep me there will not be the money.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

Boomers are spiritually inclined; some are cultists, but most just involved in things that civics do not understand. Boomers are idealists, as defined by S&H, so they are drawn to pursuits and movements that seek new ideas to change the world. Spiritual ideas and cults are among these. Idealists, according to S&H, come of age in the time of a spiritual awakening, and are empowered and propelled by it. They are born and raised in prosperous times, or at least in times of recovery, after the crisis; times of consensus and conformity, and spiritual death. They look around at a society in which there's nothing much worthwhile around except jobs that appeal only to status-seeking and material advancement, and elders who have no inner gyroscope and do nothing but keep up with the Joneses in the rat race and wear gray flannel suits, and wonder what the point of it all is. They resonate with elder civics and artists who articulate this feeling and offer something different. In the case of Boomers, that included folks like Alan Watts, Timothy Leary, Allen Ginsberg, Bob Dylan, John Phillips, The Beatles, Ken Kesey, Theodore Roszak, Wayne Dyer, Shirley MacLaine, etc. etc. Bob Dylan wrote about "ancient empty streets too dead for dreaming." That kinda sums up the 1T that Boomers grew up in, and wanted out of.
https://youtu.be/gHSWiatjMkk

How awful that that is what the majority of GIs sought after. However I also see that in my mother (the material part) she spends what she does not have. But at the same time her generation told me to do what makes me happy which I see as a sign that at least some boomers were fully aware one must not just go for material wealth but do what makes the soul happy which I agree with wholeheartedly especially after watching my mothers mistakes. If it labels me by older folk ungrateful for just any job and being unrealistic, so be it. Funny, I shy away from what GIs were all about (material gain and status seeking) yet I also like the GIs do not understand much of what boomers are all about (spiritually) Maybe I am civic lite pmsl. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, I agree and confirms what I was thinking too.

Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough

It's tough to pin down, but I would say both are followers, with the difference being that "Prophets" (an idiotic term only Boomers would use) are "rebels", while "Civics" are conformists. So the "rebellion" of the Boomers is the conformity of Millenials. The problem is that conforming to the Boomer mindset means betting your life on things that are at odds with reality.

Like bringing in tens of thousands of Syrian refugees after Paris, and calling anyone who disagrees with you a hard-hearted racist xenophobe. Boomers are willing to sacrifice the lives of their children and grandchildren (but NEVER their own, mind you) on the altar of their ideological dogma.

But I digress. Boomers wanted to be led by those rejecting the status quo. Millenials want to be led by those defending it. The current status quo is left wing Boomerism, because they've been dominating the world for over 20 years now.

As it becomes demonstrably clear that Boomerism equals total ruin for the younger generations, it falls to Xers to fill the void and actually save the world - from Boomers. Whether or not they will succeed in doing so is an open question.

Taramarie can get an answer from both sides, and JPT has much to say. I think the Boomer mindset (however varied it is) is in essence to bet your life on things that are at odds with reality. He's right about that, to which I can quote George Bernard Shaw (b.July 26, 1856) and the civic Kennedys as a reply: "some men see things that are, and say why; others see things that never were, and say, why not?" Idealist Boomers are of course the latter, along with idealistic members of other generations.

And if the "Gen X mindset" is to let one questionable incident of a terrorist slipping through a migration of 600,000 people close your eyes to a holocaust caused partly by our own foolish policies, and its inevitable results (which as a "prophet" I predicted would happen in this time long ago), then I wonder who is sacrificing what; maybe it's those Gen X politicians sacrificing humanity on the altar of demagoguery of the worst possible sort.

And the current status quo is right-wing trickle-down economics, and its resulting unequal and declining society, instituted by the civic Ronald Reagan and those who promoted, financed and followed him and his successors. It is their policies from which millennials need to save the nation and the world, lest it become a banana republic where no bananas can any longer be grown due to global warming-- the "reality" that many conservative Xers deny.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

Taramarie can get an answer from both sides, and JPT has much to say. I think the Boomer mindset (however varied it is) is in essence to bet your life on things that are at odds with reality. He's right about that, to which I can quote George Bernard Shaw (b.July 26, 1856) and the civic Kennedys as a reply: "some men see things that are, and say why; others see things that never were, and say, why not?" Idealist Boomers are of course the latter, along with idealistic members of other generations.

And if the "Gen X mindset" is to let one questionable incident of a terrorist slipping through a migration of 600,000 people close your eyes to a holocaust caused partly by our own foolish policies, and its inevitable results (which as a "prophet" I predicted would happen long ago), then I wonder who is sacrificing what; maybe it's those Gen X politicians sacrificing humanity on the altar of demagoguery of the worst possible sort.

And the current status quo is right-wing trickle-down economics, and its resulting unequal and declining society, instituted by the civic Ronald Reagan and those who promoted, financed and followed him and his successors. It is their policies from which millennials need to save the nation and the world, lest it become a banana republic where no bananas can any longer be grown due to global warming-- the "reality" that conservative Xers deny.

Yes i heard of that, people being questioned if they are muslim and i thought about ww2 and the jews and thought what the hell. :/ Need I say I do not agree to it. How does one determine if just being a muslim makes them terrorist material. There are variations within religion. Extremists do not make up Jews, Christians nor Muslims and it is actually many muslims that are being murdered by isis. Naturally we cannot allow terrorists in but how do we know who is one and I do not think they are going about determining if one is or not the right way.

Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough

That statement pretty well sums up the problem with the left wing Boomers posting on this forum. Everyone else seems capable of seeing outside their ideological or political boxes. Not the Boomers.

There is so much projection, here, it could run an IMAX movie theater. It's hilarious how you right-wing Xers sound no different than your stereotype of Boomers.

Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough

Like bringing in tens of thousands of Syrian refugees after Paris, and calling anyone who disagrees with you a hard-hearted racist xenophobe. Boomers are willing to sacrifice the lives of their children and grandchildren (but NEVER their own, mind you) on the altar of their ideological dogma.

Judging all the refugees as a whole just because of what some lunatics who profess the same religion they do rather than treating them as individuals DOES make you a bigoted jackass, it would be no different than judging all Americans because of the actions of the KKK.

Also, plenty of the refugees are Middle Eastern Christians fleeing for their lives. One of them got beat up by some bigoted thugs in Poland because they, like you, assume all Arabs are Muslims.

Originally Posted by Taramarie

How awful that that is what the majority of GIs sought after. However I also see that in my mother (the material part) she spends what she does not have. But at the same time her generation told me to do what makes me happy which I see as a sign that at least some boomers were fully aware one must not just go for material wealth but do what makes the soul happy which I agree with wholeheartedly especially after watching my mothers mistakes. If it labels me by older folk ungrateful for just any job and being unrealistic, so be it. Funny, I shy away from what GIs were all about (material gain and status seeking) yet I also like the GIs do not understand much of what boomers are all about (spiritually) Maybe I am civic lite pmsl. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, I agree and confirms what I was thinking too.

Saying that the GIs were about material gain and status seeking is a Boomer slander. My grandparents were GIs, and I remember the generation as a whole quite clearly. The reality is that they had been through hell, with the Great Depression and WWII, and what they wanted was security and stability. If that meant sacrificing airy goals, so be it. The Boomers were born into the security and stability created by the GIs (and Lost, it should be said, who led during that time), so they took it for granted and started chasing after Utopian fantasies of one stripe or another, while seeking self-absorbed "fulfillment" - which often means satisfying their selfish desires at the expense of others.

Originally Posted by Taramarie

Yes i heard of that, people being questioned if they are muslim and i thought about ww2 and the jews and thought what the hell. :/ Need I say I do not agree to it. How does one determine if just being a muslim makes them terrorist material. There are variations within religion. Extremists do not make up Jews, Christians nor Muslims and it is actually many muslims that are being murdered by isis. Naturally we cannot allow terrorists in but how do we know who is one and I do not think they are going about determining if one is or not the right way.

Ok, you have clearly absorbed the Boomer dogma. Now let me give you some Xer reality. Comparing Muslims of today to Jews of WWII is not merely wrong, it is intellectually and morally reprehensible. Who are the Jews of today? The Jews. Which happens to be the people the Muslims most want to wipe off the face of the earth, which everyone knows unless they jam their fingers in their ears, blind themselves and listen to Boomer nonsense instead of looking at what's in front of them. Not only that, you are implying that countries rightly suspicious of Muslims are the modern equivalent of Nazi Germany. The left wing governments and politicians that continue to prioritize this kind of twisted political correctness and identity politics over the security of their citizens are the modern equivalent of? Neville Chamberlain. If you don't know who he is, look him up. He attempted to negotiate a peace deal with the Nazis. The US has a president who just agreed to a treaty with Iran. Expect the same results.

Any government that prioritizes appeasing enemies or importing immigrants over the safety and well-being of its own citizens is illegitimate. And that is the Boomer "leadership" we now have. It cannot hold, any more than Chamberlain's "leadership" of the UK.

Now, if you want to find an analogy for Muslims in Western countries today, you would be on firmer ground to look at the treatment of German and Japanese citizens in those countries during WWII. Boomers have universally genuflected with remorse on behalf of the GIs and FDR for the fact that Japanese residents of the US were rounded up and put into internment camps. But go back in time to a circumstance where Japan had carried out a catastrophic sneak attack on US soil, starting a war of their own choosing, and it becomes more understandable. The West has likewise edged up under Boomer leadership towards condemning the US use of nuclear weapons against Japan. But when you consider that they started the war, and millions of US soldiers would have been subject to death under a continued conflict, in addition to those who had already been tortured, imprisoned, starved and died on forced marches after being captured by the Japanese, and that become more understandable as well.

None of these things may be what you would hope for in an ideal (there's that word again) world, but sometimes reality gets ugly. Sometimes the truth hurts. And if Muslims fleeing Syria don't find safe harbor in Western countries, those countries are not to blame, ISIS is. Furthermore, WHY is it the responsibility of far off Western countries to take in these refugees, when neighboring Muslim countries are refusing them? It's all political correctness to the point of suicide. The Boomers may want to take us there, but you'll have to forgive me if I don't want to go along.

Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough

Saying that the GIs were about material gain and status seeking is a Boomer slander. My grandparents were GIs, and I remember the generation as a whole quite clearly. The reality is that they had been through hell, with the Great Depression and WWII, and what they wanted was security and stability. If that meant sacrificing airy goals, so be it. The Boomers were born into the security and stability created by the GIs (and Lost, it should be said, who led during that time), so they took it for granted and started chasing after Utopian fantasies of one stripe or another, while seeking self-absorbed "fulfillment" - which often means satisfying their selfish desires at the expense of others.

Interesting. I do not have any real connection to the gis memory wise. They are the old people who are often sleeping in the rest home where i do part time work and one who i met once who was very stern and another who also was formidable when i was 5. She traumatized us 5 year olds in 1990. I see them as stern and no nonsense. The latter I can relate to. I can totally understand why they thought security and stability should be put first especially given the times they were in and what they experienced. I can understand that they thought that was what was best for their kids too given that they lacked it. They did not want their kids to suffer i can only imagine.

Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough

Ok, you have clearly absorbed the Boomer dogma. Now let me give you some Xer reality. Comparing Muslims of today to Jews of WWII is not merely wrong, it is monumentally insulting to both intelligence and morality. Who are the Jews of today? The Jews. Which happens to be the people the Muslims most want to wipe off the face of the earth, which everyone knows unless they jam their fingers in their ears, blind themselves and listen to Boomer nonsense instead of looking at what's in front of them. The left wing governments and politicians that continue to prioritize this kind of twisted political correctness and identity politics over the security of their citizens are the modern equivalent of? Neville Chamberlain. If you don't know who he is, look him up. He attempted to negotiate a peace deal with the Nazis. The US has a president who just agreed to a treaty with Iran. Expect the same results.

Any government that prioritizes appeasing enemies or importing immigrants over the safety and well-being of its own citizens is illegitimate. And that is the Boomer "leadership" we now have. It cannot hold, any more than Chamberlain's "leadership" of the UK.

Now, if you want to find an analogy for Muslims in Western countries today, you would be on firmer ground to look at the treatment of German and Japanese citizens in those countries during WWII. Boomers have universally genuflected with remorse on behalf of the GIs and FDR for the fact that Japanese residents of the US were rounded up and put into internment camps. But go back in time to a circumstance where Japan had carried out a catastrophic sneak attack on US soil, starting a war of their own choosing, and it becomes more understandable. The West has likewise edged up under Boomer leadership towards condemning the US use of nuclear weapons against Japan. But when you consider that they started the war, and millions of US soldiers would have been subject to death under a continued conflict, in addition to those who had already been tortured, imprisoned, starved and died on forced marches after being captured by the Japanese, and that become more understandable as well.

None of these things may be what you would hope for in an ideal (there's that word again) world, but sometimes reality gets ugly. Sometimes the truth hurts. And if Muslims fleeing Syria don't find safe harbor in Western countries, those countries are not to blame, ISIS is. Furthermore, WHY is it the responsibility of far off Western countries to take in these refugees, when neighboring Muslim countries are refusing them? It's all political correctness to the point of suicide. The Boomers may want to take us there, but you'll have to forgive me if I don't want to go along.

you mean extremist muslims i hope. I hope you are not for labelling all muslims as terrorists

Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough

Ok, you have clearly absorbed the Boomer dogma. Now let me give you some Xer reality. Comparing Muslims of today to Jews of WWII is not merely wrong, it is intellectually and morally reprehensible. Who are the Jews of today? The Jews. Which happens to be the people the Muslims most want to wipe off the face of the earth, which everyone knows unless they jam their fingers in their ears, blind themselves and listen to Boomer nonsense instead of looking at what's in front of them. The left wing governments and politicians that continue to prioritize this kind of twisted political correctness and identity politics over the security of their citizens are the modern equivalent of? Neville Chamberlain. If you don't know who he is, look him up. He attempted to negotiate a peace deal with the Nazis. The US has a president who just agreed to a treaty with Iran. Expect the same results.

Any government that prioritizes appeasing enemies or importing immigrants over the safety and well-being of its own citizens is illegitimate. And that is the Boomer "leadership" we now have. It cannot hold, any more than Chamberlain's "leadership" of the UK.

Now, if you want to find an analogy for Muslims in Western countries today, you would be on firmer ground to look at the treatment of German and Japanese citizens in those countries during WWII. Boomers have universally genuflected with remorse on behalf of the GIs and FDR for the fact that Japanese residents of the US were rounded up and put into internment camps. But go back in time to a circumstance where Japan had carried out a catastrophic sneak attack on US soil, starting a war of their own choosing, and it becomes more understandable. The West has likewise edged up under Boomer leadership towards condemning the US use of nuclear weapons against Japan. But when you consider that they started the war, and millions of US soldiers would have been subject to death under a continued conflict, in addition to those who had already been tortured, imprisoned, starved and died on forced marches after being captured by the Japanese, and that become more understandable as well.

None of these things may be what you would hope for in an ideal (there's that word again) world, but sometimes reality gets ugly. Sometimes the truth hurts. And if Muslims fleeing Syria don't find safe harbor in Western countries, those countries are not to blame, ISIS is. Furthermore, WHY is it the responsibility of far off Western countries to take in these refugees, when neighboring Muslim countries are refusing them? It's all political correctness to the point of suicide. The Boomers may want to take us there, but you'll have to forgive me if I don't want to go along.

yes well they arent and they need a safe place to go so the psychos do not wipe them all out. So someone has to take them in. Of course, I stated also we should put our own first too

Originally Posted by Taramarie

you mean extremist muslims i hope. I hope you are not for labelling all muslims as terrorists

The problem is that we have no way of knowing which are and which aren't. At some point, that becomes their problem, not ours.

Originally Posted by Taramarie

yes well they arent and they need a safe place to go so the psychos do not wipe them all out. So someone has to take them in. Of course, I stated also we should put our own first too

"They need a safe place to go". A government is supposed to make sure the citizens it serves have a safe place to go. In France, they failed. Do you get it, at all? Or is "being nice" to Muslims important enough that you're willing sacrifice a few thousand innocent lives of your fellow citizens to achieve it?

Anyway, you're in New Zealand, nicely isolated from all of this, so I wouldn't expect you to care. If you lived in Paris, you would probably feel quite differently right now. Which is how Boomers operate. As long as they're taken care of, other people can be sacrificed to their "ideals".

Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough

The problem is that we have no way of knowing which are and which aren't. At some point, that becomes their problem, not ours.

But how do you determine if someone is a terrorist purely by confirming if they are a muslim or not?

Originally Posted by Taramarie

But how do you determine if someone is a terrorist purely by confirming if they are a muslim or not?

Let's say you have a box full of snakes. Some of them are poisonous, some are not, but you have no way of knowing which are and which aren't. Do you bring the box into your house, or do you leave it outside?

Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough

"They need a safe place to go". A government is supposed to make sure the citizens it serves have a safe place to go. In France, they failed. Do you get it, at all? Or is "being nice" to Muslims important enough that you're willing sacrifice a few thousand innocent lives of your fellow citizens to achieve it?

Anyway, you're in New Zealand, nicely isolated from all of this, so I wouldn't expect you to care. If you lived in Paris, you would probably feel quite differently right now. Which is how Boomers operate. As long as they're taken care of, other people can be sacrificed to their "ideals".

Judging if someone is a terrorist purely on whether they are muslim or not is not the way to find out if someone is a terrorist. There would be an outcry if this was done to all christians. Sorry, no buy. It goes against everything I was taught. There needs to be another way to weed them out from the others.

Originally Posted by Odin

Judging all the refugees as a whole just because of what some lunatics who profess the same religion they do rather than treating them as individuals DOES make you a bigoted jackass, it would be no different than judging all Americans because of the actions of the KKK.

Also, plenty of the refugees are Middle Eastern Christians fleeing for their lives. One of them got beat up by some bigoted thugs in Poland because they, like you, assume all Arabs are Muslims.

All I have to say to you, after watching the Democrats' statements in response to Paris, is that you can go right ahead with your left wing nuttery, but just be aware that the Democrats are going to lose in a landslide if they continue to parrot that kind of dogma. "Bigoted" against people who want to kill you? Oh yeah. Definitely.

Originally Posted by Taramarie

It goes against everything I was taught.

Therein lies the problem. You were taught lies by Boomers.

Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough

Let's say you have a box full of snakes. Some of them are poisonous, some are not, but you have no way of knowing which are and which aren't. Do you bring the box into your house, or do you leave it outside?

I would educate myself to find out which ones are which. There are alternatives other than the hot or cold method.

Originally Posted by Taramarie

I would educate myself to find out which ones are which. There are alternatives other than the hot or cold method.

You don't have the time nor the means to examine each snake, even if you wanted to. You have to make a decision right now. The box is on your doorstep.

What's more, the people down the street just brought a full box inside, and now half that household is dead.

For the record, I'm not saying all Muslims in western countries should be rounded up and quarantined. At least not as things stand right now. I am saying, without question, that these Syrian refugees should not be brought into those countries. Europe is already paying for it. They should be taken in by neighboring Muslim countries, and if they won't do it, NATO should establish a safe haven in the Middle East where they can be taken. Using military force, if necessary.

Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough

Therein lies the problem. You were taught lies by Boomers.

I would rather be for equality and acceptance than be a judgemental superficial person who judges someone purely on looks or religion. Not all are the same.