Originally Posted by Mikebert

This makes no sense with the analogy.

As I understand the the analogy Nazis=ISIS; Semites fleeing Germany = Semites fleeing Syria; those who kept Jews out = those who would keep Syrians out. Assuming JPT wants to keep refugees out , he would fit into the third category, not the first.

You may have missed the post where JPT was accused of wanting to throw Syrians into ovens. With or without killing them in gas chambers first.

Originally Posted by JordanGoodspeed

Yes, yes, by all means wave your hands about. I just wouldn't hold your breath waiting for a global regeneracy around a single set of values, particularly in the absence of any concrete vision of what that would look like.

I believe the first step in the X step process is recognizing that there is a problem.

I've posted any number of specific solutions to specific problems in specific locations. These are generally informed by my larger perspective, but one can't go both specific and global in a 5 paragraph forum post.

Yes, different regions are adjacent to different parts of the elephant. No, a single set of global values is not going to be achieved in a single crisis. The best one can expect is incremental attacks on a few of the worst problems. Slavery was not going to be removed during the American Revolution. Both communism and fascism weren't going to be fixed by World War II.

But the problems that are addressed are the worst immediate problems. This time, these are global. The only reason I expect a major values shift is that the problems are going to get worse until they are systematically addressed. One can cling to dated local perspectives if one likes, but then one is more apt to be part of the problem rather than the solution.

But certainly everyone can continue to go crazy with ad-hoc bottom up discussions. This will keep everyone entertained indefinitely.

*waves hands*

Come on, Jordan, put the u back in.

Pax,

Dave Krein '42

Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough

Leftist: "Human beings can fly! I promise you! If you don't believe me, you're a coward/racist/moron!"

*pushes the person next to them off a cliff to their death and runs away*



"They might have guns, but we have flowers".

Boomerism reigns supreme. The 60s have never ended. Any Islamists watching that video are rolling on the floor laughing with glee, rubbing their hands together and planning something bigger.

Translation: "I'm a miserable misanthrope who can't stand that other people think a better world is possible and I rationalize my misery by accusing anyone with even a hint of idealism with being deluded".

Xers and Millies want their rights back. Boomers keep shoving refugees down our throats. We want the right to reorganized the government and political system, the right to liquidate terrorist sympathizers.

Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough

You have a mental sickness. Seek help.

I have an actual degree in psychology and I can tell you that he isn't mentally ill. So shut up.

Originally Posted by David Krein

Come on, Jordan, put the u back in.

Pax,

Dave Krein '42

Awesomeness

Originally Posted by JordanGoodspeed

*waves hands*

Could you please be more specific in just what manner your hands are being waved?

Originally Posted by David Krein

Come on, Jordan, put the u back in.

Pax,

Dave Krein '42

That damn U had it coming!

Originally Posted by Odin

I have an actual degree in psychology and I can tell you that he isn't mentally ill. So shut up.

Such a relief. Appreciated.

Originally Posted by B Butler

Such a relief. Appreciated.

You are one of the most level-headed posters here, I find it hilarious that he accused you, of all people, of being mentally ill.

Originally Posted by Cynic Hero '86

Xers and Millies want their rights back. Boomers keep shoving refugees down our throats. We want the right to reorganized the government and political system, the right to liquidate terrorist sympathizers.

Liquidate? I'll pass on that right, thanks.
Just curious, what makes you think that you speak for Gen X? (Assuming that 86 indicates a birth year.)

Originally Posted by nihilist moron

Liquidate? I'll pass on that right, thanks.
Just curious, what makes you think that you speak for Gen X? (Assuming that 86 indicates a birth year.)

If terrorists are able to seek shelter with sympathizers in order to launch a war that will kill millions it is not fanaticism or a crime against humanity that in order to forestall this threat a government decides to round up not only the terrorists but their support networks and sympathizers for summary execution.

Dave Krein,

NEVER!! Noah Webster would roll over in his grave. If I could survive a year and half in a public school in Oxford as a boy, while retaining the presence of mind to inform my teachers that I couldn't possibly adhere to the shedule because I wasn't actually in shool nor inclined to ride the ocean on a shooner whose shematics I could consult if it broke down on account of some insidious sheme, then I can damn well keep the extraneous us out of my sentences! ,

Odin,

A degree which in no way qualifies you to make diagnoses of any kind.

Not my hands, bub, yours. I made a comment or two about Europe's immigration issues and you have chosen to subject me to a rambling speech on your personal pet theories that amounts to saying that if there were consensus globally on a unifying vision then something could be done about the worlds problems, but there isn't, so there won't, but there should. I am at something of a loss as to what sort of response you wanted to a post like that. A pat on the head?

It just looked like arm-waving to me.

Originally Posted by nihilist moron

You may have missed the post where JPT was accused of wanting to throw Syrians into ovens. With or without killing them in gas chambers first.

I thought that was considered occupational therapy by X physicians for the persons being tossed in the ovens? (X would be doing the tossing, of course)

Originally Posted by TnT

I was thinking the other day ... we should gift North Dakota to the Israelis, and convince them to all move there. Hardly anyone in the U.S. (except maybe Odin) would give a shit. Then they could frak for oil, build kibbutzes to their hearts content and be totally away from any of the radical Muslims. Has a lot going for it.

That actually sounds remarkably close to a proposal I floated a while back. Though I think I also suggested Arizona if they insisted on desert wasteland.

Originally Posted by JordanGoodspeed

You know, I'd hate to have my amygdala called into question, but I cannot help but feel there is a valid argument to be made that given the unemployment crisis in Europe for natives, much less immigrants, and the extent to which assimilation has been a wretched failure (see the whole Paris attackers being mainly EU residents if not citizens), importing millions more no questions asked may not be the most sensible of moves.

On the other hand I'm not European and their immigration policies, such as they are, aren't really any of my business.

Jordan, I think you're finding out the reason why European Nationalism is coming to the fore again, more importantly it is coming not from Boomers and Xers in Europe but from Millies. Indeed UKIP grabbed the majority share of the youth vote in the last UK General Election, and the youth tended to side more with the Lib Dems.

Originally Posted by Odin

You are one of the most level-headed posters here, I find it hilarious that he accused you, of all people, of being mentally ill.

He is still trying to defend his perspective from many others, but isn't even pretending to respond to me anymore. I suspect he can't. If there are no answers to a criticism of his world view, it follows that the originator of the criticism must be mentally ill. It makes all sorts of sense from a values lock perspective.

Originally Posted by TnT

I was thinking the other day ... we should gift North Dakota to the Israelis, and convince them to all move there. Hardly anyone in the U.S. (except maybe Odin) would give a shit. Then they could frak for oil, build kibbutzes to their hearts content and be totally away from any of the radical Muslims. Has a lot going for it.

I suspect most of them are too stubborn. The Muslims don't have a monopoly on Middle Eastern religious intensity.

Originally Posted by JordanGoodspeed

Odin,

A degree which in no way qualifies you to make diagnoses of any kind.

Even if it did, a psychiatric diagnosis can only be made after a full evaluation, including a history and mental status exam. But saying "you're crazy" or "you're delusional" isn't really a diagnosis is it.

Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough

You have a mental sickness. Seek help.

And you're just a big sissy. And, there's no help for that.


In addition to all the other demographic trends, it's quite possible the most important one being missed is you sissies not only avoiding cities and anyone that doesn't look/act/think like you but increasingly becoming shut-ins, huddled around the TV watching Faux News and clutching your guns - too afraid to venture out to vote. There will be neighborhoods where the kids are told to tiptoe past certain houses so as to not cause the inhabitants to freak out and yet again cause another standoff with the police.

Originally Posted by JustPassingThrough

To (B Butler)

The Blue Boomers pushed four issues during the awakening. Yes, we resisted the GI's domino theory, not wishing to apply it to the defense of an authoritarian regime. There was also civil rights, gender rights and environmental issues. I'd agree that both Establishment parties then dominated by the GIs bought into the domino theory. It is simplistic to disregard the other issues, or to say the GIs were entirely united on the other three. Civil rights and gender rights became progressive issues, while the environment was less than fully partisan. While the Blue Boomers had to push really hard to get the Establishment to move on all four issues, in time move they did, or at least the progressives did. The partisan divide on all four issues that began in the Awakening remain to this day.

Are you really against civil rights, gender rights and protecting the environment? Well, yes, I have often noted you are. You still seem obsessed with the Generation Gap at a time when it is no longer really relevant. There are progressives and conservatives among all generations at this point, though there are more conservatives among the old and the demographics are coming to more and more favor the progressives as time goes by. Often when pushing the old Generation Gap perspective, you end up advocating gender and racial prejudice. Still, you seldom state your bigotry so openly.

You have a mental sickness. Seek help.

What Butler said was entirely political. It seems rational enough. There is no obvious delusion -- and no sign of political craziness such as delving into conspiracy theories. What Butler says about you is entirely about your politics. I regret to say to you that you are politically reactionary. Not insane, but you are missing a few historical realities.

This is no longer the 1970s. Even the political alignments are far different from what they were; back then the South was still heavily Democratic and the Midwest and Far West still leaned Republican. I could pull up a contrast between the elections of 1976 and 2008/2012, and I would show Carter and Obama winning very different sets of states.

The generation gap that you still assume exists faded away during the 1980s as (1) Boomers got more fully and deeper into adulthood and adult responsibilities (as in having children), and (2) Generation X showed more trust in Reaganomics than in Left Boomer aesthetics and vision.

I lived back then; I am a Boomer. I recognized a clear cultural divide between my generation and Generation X in style and taste. Just as many of us Boomers started patching things up with GIs many of us were aghast at the emptiness of what Generation X was listening to for its emptiness.

I disagree with you, as if such comes as a surprise.


Something that troubles me is that someone can call someone coldly rational insane. Even depressives and antisocial personalities can be very rational -- maybe too rational for their own good. Here's the hazard: you consider someone irrational for expressing views that differ from yours. That was commonplace practice in psychiatric wards in the old and unlamented Soviet Union that 'treated' dissidents. In such wards, opposition to Marxist socialism was psychosis.

You scare me. I would not like people with your shrill expression of right-wing ideology running a country that I am in.