Originally Posted by playwrite

Dubious is the correct word. Here's an excerpt from the media coverage in Moscow -

Putin's got Assad a buffer around his two crown jewels in the Mediterranean; he can afford to pull the troops out and look like the grand diplomat. They'd be back in there within hours of any indication that Latakia or Tartous were back at risk.

I'm fine with discarding losers on Putin. That's how you win bridge. You identify losers in your hand and dummy and find a way of chucking them.

The one possible positive out of this may be a signal to Assad and the West that Putin's support of Assad politically is limited. Fingers crossed that this might be a step in the direction of removing Assad relatively peacefully.

Obviously since Syria is in the Mideast, I don't give a flying fuck what happens there.

I won't disagree Rags. I am in the camp that prefers economic to military weapons.

Obviously since Syria is in the Mideast, I don't give a flying fuck what happens there.

I didn't know they could fly.

Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon

Why us? More to the point, how will we intervene in a positive way? It can't always be us, and our track record is poor in any case.

I guess you have to excuse Eric, since he hasn't figured out how stupid the Deep State actually is.
billmoyers.com/episode/the-deep-state-hiding-in-plain-sight/

Essentially, anyone who calls for some sort of military adventurism most like does not know he/she is futhering the Deep State's agenda. We do know that such adventures taken by the Deep State have a history of folly.

We may do vastly more harm than good. In fact, it's almost a certainty. The Europeans, on the other hand, have a real stake here. For all practical purposes, they are being invaded. More to the point, they are already in the neighborhood.

Yup. Since the problem is in their hood, let them fix it their way.

Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62

I guess you have to excuse Eric, since he hasn't figured out how stupid the Deep State actually is.
billmoyers.com/episode/the-deep-state-hiding-in-plain-sight/

Well, except that I have known all about it since you were 5 years old.

Essentially, anyone who calls for some sort of military adventurism most (likely) does not know he/she is furthering the Deep State's agenda. We do know that such adventures taken by the Deep State have a history of folly.

Yes, but supporting proxies is not the same as invading. You guys tend to lump all that stuff together.

Yup. Since the problem is in their hood, let them fix it their way.

I suppose they might, if they thought Uncle Sam would not do it for them. They did most of the interfering in Libya too.

We'll see about Hillary. I haven't said I will vote for her, like I did for Bill in 1992. I was disappointed then, and voted and campaigned for Nader in 1996. She may continue what Obama has started, no doubt, in international affairs and intervention. But I have made an astrological prediction that she will not start a war, because of the Jupiter cycle of which you guys know all about now. So given my track record, you might have reason to have some confidence in that prediction. She will probably do some things, if elected, that you guys and/or I disagree with. But if she starts a war, or even responds to a perceived attack on the USA or its allies, that will disrupt a pattern that has held almost perfectly for 240 years. So, if you really think that Hillary is a neo-con who will take the USA to war, your prediction will have to stand the test against mine. We'll see, won't we!