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T4T Board Truth And Reconciliation Thread.

Since the board is coming to an end, it would seem time for everyone to fess up.







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Everyone who voted Bush-Bush-McCain-Romney can start off.







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I thought people here pretty much say what they are thinking?
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Post#4 at 05-03-2016 02:38 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,505]
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I guess I'll put this here; why not?

maybe several posts, from your #1 prolific poster.

I want to thank all of you for posting. I want to mention and say goodbye to all my friends and allies, all my adversaries and enemies, all those in between, all those who departed from this sinking ship, or who were thrown overboard, and all those lurkers and people I forgot or didn't know well. I will get specific in my next post.

Thanks, and I know that my purpose here has often been to correct what I see as incorrect views; and that can seem strident on my part, and usually doesn't work anyway. I don't mean it as a personal attack. I thought it was valuable for people to read my views. I realize I am passionate many times about what I say. It doesn't mean I don't respect other views. But I have real concerns, and I am convinced that our problems and our hopeful possibilities depend on what we think and perceive, and on what our opinions are. It's very important to take a look at opinions and what we believe, perceive and think, and to question these. Progress depends on it. I encourage you all to do this. Maybe some of you will take away from these discussions some ideas I and others have shared, that open you to a wider view and more hopeful and creative possibilities.

To have one's ideology questioned, is difficult to take. And discussion and argument rarely works. True communication here has been rare, and usually people didn't get what I say. To that extent, this forum has been a longstanding failure for me. But on a higher level, I extend my forgiveness to all of you who didn't respect me or understand me. All of you are sacred human beings, and we are all in this life together. Yes, I understand that some of you think that it's me that needs to question his ideology and opinions. All I can say is, touche! And I do question, too, and have done so for 50 years.

And I liked having a place, a virtual water cooler, with some people here with whom I could share what I found that was cool, interesting, funny, wonderful, and important. I hope some of you enjoyed what I posted. I enjoyed some of what others posted here too. I especially admire how much knowledge so many of you have, about so many things. This is a thoughtful and intelligent group. Despite the failures, there was no better forum that I have found. I enjoyed folks like mikebert, gianthogweed, chas and many others who did such great research into the T4T theory. Some of the ideas are brilliant. I have learned a lot from a lot of you, about a lot of things. It has been practice, too, in communicating, and in learning to be more civil, more clear, more considerate of others. Perhaps I have learned something on that level too, or I tried to. And I got lots of practice using the edit function.

My first purpose in coming here, way back in 1997 after hearing Mr. Strauss on our local talk station and inviting us to come, was to inform you of the strong and clear link between the saeculum cycle, and the cycle of the planet Uranus around the zodiac every 83-84 years. Although the turnings/generations theory is not based on astrology, the exact correspondence is undeniable. The authors specifically stated in T4T that the archetypal length of a saeculum is exactly 84 years. I hope that, despite not agreeing with astrology, that you remember that point.

The forum has been useful for me in making predictions, and demonstrating how many of my predictions have come true. I have learned a lot about being a prophet since 1968, and this is proof that I have improved my skills. It may seem like I am trumpeting myself, and I'm sorry about that, but I am also demonstrating that astrology can work, and that's about more than just me.

And don't forget the prophecies that I have made here. Just as so many I that have made here since 1997 have indeed come true, so will many that are yet to come. Keep in touch with me at http://philosopherswheel.com

And remember my chief prophecy and greatest prayer remains, that we have in these times the opportunity and ability to create a renaissance and a golden age, and to emerge from our 4T successfully. I predict that we will. Our nation, world and generations today are not less talented and capable than others, and our time in history is such that we have never had a better chance to rise to greatness than now. I encourage all of you to contribute to it, and to rise above the fears and cynicism for which we can see much justification, but which we can also see beyond-- if we understand our place in history, and all that has been revealed and made available to us in recent decades (yes, especially during the Awakening, and during its material foundation that preceded it; and in its fringe-area development since). Know this; treasure this! Golden ages have always been challenging times, not perfect ones. Challenges can stimulate us to do great things.
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
I guess I'll put this here; why not?

maybe several posts, from your #1 prolific poster.

I want to thank all of you for posting. I want to mention and say goodbye to all my friends and allies, all my adversaries and enemies, all those in between, all those who departed from this sinking ship, or who were thrown overboard, and all those lurkers and people I forgot or didn't know well. I will get specific in my next post.

Thanks, and I know that my purpose here has often been to correct what I see as incorrect views; and that can seem strident on my part, and usually doesn't work anyway. I don't mean it as a personal attack. I thought it was valuable for people to read my views. I realize I am passionate many times about what I say. It doesn't mean I don't respect other views. But I have real concerns, and I am convinced that our problems and our hopeful possibilities depend on what we think and perceive, and on what our opinions are. It's very important to take a look at opinions and what we believe, perceive and think, and to question these. Progress depends on it. I encourage you all to do this. Maybe some of you will take away from these discussions some ideas I and others have shared, that open you to a wider view and more hopeful and creative possibilities.

To have one's ideology questioned, is difficult to take. And discussion and argument rarely works. True communication here has been rare, and usually people didn't get what I say. To that extent, this forum has been a longstanding failure for me. But on a higher level, I extend my forgiveness to all of you who didn't respect me or understand me. All of you are sacred human beings, and we are all in this life together. Yes, I understand that some of you think that it's me that needs to question his ideology and opinions. All I can say is, touche! And I do question, too, and have done so for 50 years.

And I liked having a place, a virtual water cooler, with some people here with whom I could share what I found that was cool, interesting, funny, wonderful, and important. I hope some of you enjoyed what I posted. I enjoyed some of what others posted here too. I especially admire how much knowledge so many of you have, about so many things. This is a thoughtful and intelligent group. Despite the failures, there was no better forum that I have found. I enjoyed folks like mikebert, gianthogweed, chas and many others who did such great research into the T4T theory. Some of the ideas are brilliant. I have learned a lot from a lot of you, about a lot of things. It has been practice, too, in communicating, and in learning to be more civil, more clear, more considerate of others. Perhaps I have learned something on that level too, or I tried to. And I got lots of practice using the edit function.

My first purpose in coming here, way back in 1997 after hearing Mr. Strauss on our local talk station and inviting us to come, was to inform you of the strong and clear link between the saeculum cycle, and the cycle of the planet Uranus around the zodiac every 83-84 years. Although the turnings/generations theory is not based on astrology, the exact correspondence is undeniable. The authors specifically stated in T4T that the archetypal length of a saeculum is exactly 84 years. I hope that, despite not agreeing with astrology, that you remember that point.

The forum has been useful for me in making predictions, and demonstrating how many of my predictions have come true. I have learned a lot about being a prophet since 1968, and this is proof that I have improved my skills. It may seem like I am trumpeting myself, and I'm sorry about that, but I am also demonstrating that astrology can work, and that's about more than just me.

And don't forget the prophecies that I have made here. Just as so many I that have made here since 1997 have indeed come true, so will many that are yet to come. Keep in touch with me at http://philosopherswheel.com

And remember my chief prophecy and greatest prayer remains, that we have in these times the opportunity and ability to create a renaissance and a golden age, and to emerge from our 4T successfully. I predict that we will. Our nation, world and generations today are not less talented and capable than others, and our time in history is such that we have never had a better chance to rise to greatness than now. I encourage all of you to contribute to it, and to rise above the fears and cynicism for which we can see much justification, but which we can also see beyond-- if we understand our place in history, and all that has been revealed and made available to us in recent decades (yes, especially during the Awakening, and during its material foundation that preceded it; and in its fringe-area development since). Know this; treasure this! Golden ages have always been challenging times, not perfect ones. Challenges can stimulate us to do great things.
Eric as the GIs and then Silents left the work place the baton of "elder" was taken up by Aquarian Boomers. As much as I and other Xers might have challenged you and at times purposely pressed your buttons the fact remains that at this virtual water cooler you were always "Eric the lifer from Concept Development." Without dreamers the world would be a very dark and boring place.
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Post#6 at 05-03-2016 03:06 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,505]
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Goodbye and thanks to all my allies and friends:
(we didn't agree always, but we were friends-- and we agreed a lot)

Marx and Lennon
Brian Beecher
PBrower
Child of Socrates
mikebert
Bronco80
MillennialX
Dan82
Bad Dog
Tim Walker
playwrite
Xymox
jadams
rds

And these, I think, are also my friends and/or somewhat-allies; correct me if I'm wrong:
illwill2020
naf140230
Alioth68
Teacher in Exile
MordecaiX
marypoza
JohnMc82
Earl and Mooch
Coskin84
Emman85
Kelly85
endlessvegetables
85Turtle
radind
Ragnarok

And so long, to my esteemed adversaries and enemies, and best wishes to you too:
(some of you were on my ignore list, and some not, and some were sometimes)
(and I agreed with a few of you a lot, anyway)

Kinser
Vandal72
Galen
Just Passing Through
James Glick/JDG66
Danilynn
Classic Xer
Bob Butler (former friend)
Odin (former friend)
Prince of Cats (former friend?)
Nihilist Moron/The Rani/Witchiepoo/Xer of Evil (former friend)
Justin 77?
Wallace88
Copperfield
Jordan Goodspeed
debol?
Cynic Hero 86
Taramarie
Semo
Appollonian, who did more than anyone ever to ruin this forum

If any of you take issue with being on either list, or not being on them, let me know.
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Post#7 at 05-03-2016 03:14 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,505]
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Quote Originally Posted by XYMOX_4AD_84 View Post
Eric as the GIs and then Silents left the work place the baton of "elder" was taken up by Aquarian Boomers. As much as I and other Xers might have challenged you and at times purposely pressed your buttons the fact remains that at this virtual water cooler you were always "Eric the lifer from Concept Development." Without dreamers the world would be a very dark and boring place.
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Post#8 at 05-03-2016 03:25 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,505]
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And thanks to these, who were somewhere in between my allies and adversaries, and/or friends and enemies:

sbrombacher
JDFP
herbal tee
Wonkette
TnT
58 Flat
Wiz83
annla899
Felix 5
mockingbirdstl
General Mung Beans
David Krein
Gianthogweed
Chas
Seattleblue
Chase88 (mostly adversary)
bosboreas
Xenakis
Time Mage X
Jesse Manoogian
Tussilago
Pink Splice
noway2
Kepi
CrosstimbersOkie

Best wishes and thanks for your contributions

And to the departed ones-- and those who deserted this ship, or were voted off the island. I will miss you too.

William Strauss
Brian Rush (all of the above)
Zarathustra (friend)
Einzige
Summer in the Fall
Hopeful Cynic 68 (adversary)
annapurna
Tristan (thanks for starting the global warming thread!)
roadbldr
Marc Lamb (adversary)
Seadog66/Stonewall Patton (friend)
Lady Vagina (ally)
southern lady (adversary)
Gray Badger
Virgil K Saari
KaiserD2 (ally?)
Mr. Reed
haymarketmartyr (ally)

and others!
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Post#9 at 05-03-2016 04:06 PM by Taramarie [at Christchurch, New Zealand joined Jul 2015 #posts 2,769]
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
I guess I'll put this here; why not?

maybe several posts, from your #1 prolific poster.

I want to thank all of you for posting. I want to mention and say goodbye to all my friends and allies, all my adversaries and enemies, all those in between, all those who departed from this sinking ship, or who were thrown overboard, and all those lurkers and people I forgot or didn't know well. I will get specific in my next post.

Thanks, and I know that my purpose here has often been to correct what I see as incorrect views; and that can seem strident on my part, and usually doesn't work anyway. I don't mean it as a personal attack. I thought it was valuable for people to read my views. I realize I am passionate many times about what I say. It doesn't mean I don't respect other views. But I have real concerns, and I am convinced that our problems and our hopeful possibilities depend on what we think and perceive, and on what our opinions are. It's very important to take a look at opinions and what we believe, perceive and think, and to question these. Progress depends on it. I encourage you all to do this. Maybe some of you will take away from these discussions some ideas I and others have shared, that open you to a wider view and more hopeful and creative possibilities.

To have one's ideology questioned, is difficult to take. And discussion and argument rarely works. True communication here has been rare, and usually people didn't get what I say. To that extent, this forum has been a longstanding failure for me. But on a higher level, I extend my forgiveness to all of you who didn't respect me or understand me. All of you are sacred human beings, and we are all in this life together. Yes, I understand that some of you think that it's me that needs to question his ideology and opinions. All I can say is, touche! And I do question, too, and have done so for 50 years.

And I liked having a place, a virtual water cooler, with some people here with whom I could share what I found that was cool, interesting, funny, wonderful, and important. I hope some of you enjoyed what I posted. I enjoyed some of what others posted here too. I especially admire how much knowledge so many of you have, about so many things. This is a thoughtful and intelligent group. Despite the failures, there was no better forum that I have found. I enjoyed folks like mikebert, gianthogweed, chas and many others who did such great research into the T4T theory. Some of the ideas are brilliant. I have learned a lot from a lot of you, about a lot of things. It has been practice, too, in communicating, and in learning to be more civil, more clear, more considerate of others. Perhaps I have learned something on that level too, or I tried to. And I got lots of practice using the edit function.

My first purpose in coming here, way back in 1997 after hearing Mr. Strauss on our local talk station and inviting us to come, was to inform you of the strong and clear link between the saeculum cycle, and the cycle of the planet Uranus around the zodiac every 83-84 years. Although the turnings/generations theory is not based on astrology, the exact correspondence is undeniable. The authors specifically stated in T4T that the archetypal length of a saeculum is exactly 84 years. I hope that, despite not agreeing with astrology, that you remember that point.

The forum has been useful for me in making predictions, and demonstrating how many of my predictions have come true. I have learned a lot about being a prophet since 1968, and this is proof that I have improved my skills. It may seem like I am trumpeting myself, and I'm sorry about that, but I am also demonstrating that astrology can work, and that's about more than just me.

And don't forget the prophecies that I have made here. Just as so many I that have made here since 1997 have indeed come true, so will many that are yet to come. Keep in touch with me at http://philosopherswheel.com

And remember my chief prophecy and greatest prayer remains, that we have in these times the opportunity and ability to create a renaissance and a golden age, and to emerge from our 4T successfully. I predict that we will. Our nation, world and generations today are not less talented and capable than others, and our time in history is such that we have never had a better chance to rise to greatness than now. I encourage all of you to contribute to it, and to rise above the fears and cynicism for which we can see much justification, but which we can also see beyond-- if we understand our place in history, and all that has been revealed and made available to us in recent decades (yes, especially during the Awakening, and during its material foundation that preceded it; and in its fringe-area development since). Know this; treasure this! Golden ages have always been challenging times, not perfect ones. Challenges can stimulate us to do great things.
Good to see you explain yourself that you were not attacking. It is just you being you. Although interesting that you classify people into groups. I most certainly would not have considered you an enemy. Just an aggravating and unusual character that I struggle to read. My mind is always changing about different things all the time. I never leave the book closed. No I am not closed minded just I perceive the world in a different way than you do. Yours is shaped in a different way too. Life has lessons for all of us. You have been the most interesting character for me. I hope you will learn to be more civil and especially clear in future and keep in mind others perceptions in what you say and I will too. It would had been good if you had been clear that you were not meaning personal attacks on anyone. That is all it would have taken to get me to just question further and not get upset. Oh well.
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Btw Eric....I put a good word in for you to John to save a few threads you probably enjoyed. I asked him to save your beiber thread too. So, not always an enemy, my friend. I hope he saves it for you.
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Quote Originally Posted by Bad Dog View Post
Since the board is coming to an end, it would seem time for everyone to fess up.
I was a teen aged Trotskyite. If that were not bad enough ...

By the time I was in my late 20s, I was a globalony spewing "Flat World" early adopter, Thomas L. Freakman would have been proud. Those were my early through mid 90s Corporatist years where I voted for Bushton.

Some time around Y2K I got caught up in tin foil due to listening to too much hate radio and spending too much time at WND, Newsmax, VDARE, etc. I never became a 9/11 Truther but I did have a toe in the water of Atlanticist conspiricism. That was short lived - I snapped out of it during the early 00s and have been a Big Government Centrist with a few Liberaltarian sympathies, ever since.

Now for the story behind the story. My own twisted path was in many ways a case of starting out as a chip off the old hippie, followed by rebellion against him.

Later we reconciled. After his passing I found out he was probably a spook during the latter half of the 1950s, a flyer for secret CIA airlines one of which he actually owned! I think his transition to being a hippie must have been a reaction of some sort, triggered by the events of the early 1960s.
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Quote Originally Posted by XYMOX_4AD_84 View Post
I was a teen aged Trotskyite. If that were not bad enough ...

By the time I was in my late 20s, I was a globalony spewing "Flat World" early adopter, Thomas L. Freakman would have been proud. Those were my early through mid 90s Corporatist years where I voted for Bushton.

Some time around Y2K I got caught up in tin foil due to listening to too much hate radio and spending too much time at WND, Newsmax, VDARE, etc. I never became a 9/11 Truther but I did have a toe in the water of Atlanticist conspiricism. That was short lived - I snapped out of it during the early 00s and have been a Big Government Centrist with a few Liberaltarian sympathies, ever since.

Now for the story behind the story. My own twisted path was in many ways a case of starting out as a chip off the old hippie, followed by rebellion against him.

Later we reconciled. After his passing I found out he was probably a spook during the latter half of the 1950s, a flyer for secret CIA airlines one of which he actually owned! I think his transition to being a hippie must have been a reaction of some sort, triggered by the events of the early 1960s.
What is a Trotskyite???
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
Goodbye and thanks to all my allies and friends:
(we didn't agree always, but we were friends-- and we agreed a lot)...
And these, I think, are also my friends and/or somewhat-allies;"...
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Eric, you keep things interesting and I still hope that a replacement forum can be established.
Anyway, I thought you might like this one.


https://www.newscientist.com/article...pace-and-time/
That’s odd: Quantum entanglement mangles space and time


… “entanglement – or “spooky action at a distance”, in Einstein’s derisive phrase – is a consistent effect in the quantum world.
So that’s not the anomaly. The anomaly comes in what this tells us about our perception of space and time.”…


… “In the quantum world, our normal understanding of space-time, and cause and effect within it, dictated by our intuitive sense of how the world works, does not apply. There is something we are just not getting.”…


http://smc-quantum-physics.com/en/our-concept/
http://www.centresamymaroun.com







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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
I guess I'll put this here; why not?

maybe several posts, from your #1 prolific poster.

I want to thank all of you for posting. I want to mention and say goodbye to all my friends and allies, all my adversaries and enemies, all those in between, all those who departed from this sinking ship, or who were thrown overboard, and all those lurkers and people I forgot or didn't know well. I will get specific in my next post.

Thanks, and I know that my purpose here has often been to correct what I see as incorrect views; and that can seem strident on my part, and usually doesn't work anyway. I don't mean it as a personal attack. I thought it was valuable for people to read my views. I realize I am passionate many times about what I say. It doesn't mean I don't respect other views. But I have real concerns, and I am convinced that our problems and our hopeful possibilities depend on what we think and perceive, and on what our opinions are. It's very important to take a look at opinions and what we believe, perceive and think, and to question these. Progress depends on it. I encourage you all to do this. Maybe some of you will take away from these discussions some ideas I and others have shared, that open you to a wider view and more hopeful and creative possibilities.

To have one's ideology questioned, is difficult to take. And discussion and argument rarely works. True communication here has been rare, and usually people didn't get what I say. To that extent, this forum has been a longstanding failure for me. But on a higher level, I extend my forgiveness to all of you who didn't respect me or understand me. All of you are sacred human beings, and we are all in this life together. Yes, I understand that some of you think that it's me that needs to question his ideology and opinions. All I can say is, touche! And I do question, too, and have done so for 50 years.

And I liked having a place, a virtual water cooler, with some people here with whom I could share what I found that was cool, interesting, funny, wonderful, and important. I hope some of you enjoyed what I posted. I enjoyed some of what others posted here too. I especially admire how much knowledge so many of you have, about so many things. This is a thoughtful and intelligent group. Despite the failures, there was no better forum that I have found. I enjoyed folks like mikebert, gianthogweed, chas and many others who did such great research into the T4T theory. Some of the ideas are brilliant. I have learned a lot from a lot of you, about a lot of things. It has been practice, too, in communicating, and in learning to be more civil, more clear, more considerate of others. Perhaps I have learned something on that level too, or I tried to. And I got lots of practice using the edit function.

My first purpose in coming here, way back in 1997 after hearing Mr. Strauss on our local talk station and inviting us to come, was to inform you of the strong and clear link between the saeculum cycle, and the cycle of the planet Uranus around the zodiac every 83-84 years. Although the turnings/generations theory is not based on astrology, the exact correspondence is undeniable. The authors specifically stated in T4T that the archetypal length of a saeculum is exactly 84 years. I hope that, despite not agreeing with astrology, that you remember that point.

The forum has been useful for me in making predictions, and demonstrating how many of my predictions have come true. I have learned a lot about being a prophet since 1968, and this is proof that I have improved my skills. It may seem like I am trumpeting myself, and I'm sorry about that, but I am also demonstrating that astrology can work, and that's about more than just me.

And don't forget the prophecies that I have made here. Just as so many I that have made here since 1997 have indeed come true, so will many that are yet to come. Keep in touch with me at http://philosopherswheel.com

And remember my chief prophecy and greatest prayer remains, that we have in these times the opportunity and ability to create a renaissance and a golden age, and to emerge from our 4T successfully. I predict that we will. Our nation, world and generations today are not less talented and capable than others, and our time in history is such that we have never had a better chance to rise to greatness than now. I encourage all of you to contribute to it, and to rise above the fears and cynicism for which we can see much justification, but which we can also see beyond-- if we understand our place in history, and all that has been revealed and made available to us in recent decades (yes, especially during the Awakening, and during its material foundation that preceded it; and in its fringe-area development since). Know this; treasure this! Golden ages have always been challenging times, not perfect ones. Challenges can stimulate us to do great things.
Great post Eric. Even though we didn't agree on a lot, I always enjoyed discussing the theory and politics with you. Our disagreements were always kept at the highest level and believe it or not you did change my mind on quite a few things. I hope I changed your mind on a few as well. I'm going to miss the place. Believe it or not the arguments here weren't half as bad as what I was used to on some of the other forums I frequented. I'll probably move to the new forum eventually, so maybe I'll see you guys there.
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Quote Originally Posted by radind View Post
Eric, you keep things interesting and I still hope that a replacement forum can be established.
Anyway, I thought you might like this one.
Yes indeed, quantum theory and entanglement have interested me for some time. The second link seems especially interesting. Proto-consciousness implies that pan-psychism is creeping into physics, as I think it is in some quarters already.
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Quote Originally Posted by Taramarie View Post
What is a Trotskyite???
A follower of communist activist and Russian leader Leon Trotsky; the alternative to Stalin, whom Stalin had murdered in Mexico. A more populist version of communism; less totalitarian.
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
A follower of communist activist and Russian leader Leon Trotsky; the alternative to Stalin, whom Stalin had murdered in Mexico. A more populist version of communism; less totalitarian.

Heck! Thanks for the explanation, Eric.
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
A follower of communist activist and Russian leader Leon Trotsky; the alternative to Stalin, whom Stalin had murdered in Mexico. A more populist version of communism; less totalitarian.
Btw in case you did not see, some of your fave threads have been saved elsewhere by John just so you know where they are. They are safe now including your beiber thread.
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Quote Originally Posted by Taramarie View Post
What is a Trotskyite???
A follower of Leon Trotsky, only slightly less totalitarian. In America they mutated into the first neocons.
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Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
A follower of Leon Trotsky, only slightly less totalitarian. In America they mutated into the first neocons.
Can you tell me what you mean by they mutated into the first neocons? Pardon my ignorance. I am still learning about American history.
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Post#21 at 05-04-2016 10:49 AM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,715]
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Quote Originally Posted by Taramarie View Post
Can you tell me what you mean by they mutated into the first neocons? Pardon my ignorance. I am still learning about American history.
If you look through this list, many were Trotskyites in their youths.
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
Goodbye and thanks to all my allies and friends
And these, I think, are also my friends and/or somewhat-allies; correct me if I'm wrong:
Yeah, you're pretty cool even if astrology is largely nonsense

Remember: correlation does not prove causation!

If a pattern emerges in the relationship between two things, we can't conclude that one caused the other. It's just as likely that some third, more powerful thing is acting on both of them in a similar way.



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Electricity, master all of these
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
Goodbye and thanks to all my allies and friends:
(we didn't agree always, but we were friends-- and we agreed a lot)

Marx and Lennon
Brian Beecher
PBrower
Child of Socrates
mikebert
Bronco80
MillennialX
Dan82
Bad Dog
Tim Walker
playwrite
Xymox
jadams
rds

And these, I think, are also my friends and/or somewhat-allies; correct me if I'm wrong:
illwill2020
naf140230
Alioth68
Teacher in Exile
MordecaiX
marypoza
JohnMc82
Earl and Mooch
Coskin84
Emman85
Kelly85
endlessvegetables
85Turtle
radind
Ragnarok

And so long, to my esteemed adversaries and enemies, and best wishes to you too:
(some of you were on my ignore list, and some not, and some were sometimes)
(and I agreed with a few of you a lot, anyway)

Kinser
Vandal72
Galen
Just Passing Through
James Glick/JDG66
Danilynn
Classic Xer
Bob Butler (former friend)
Odin (former friend)
Prince of Cats (former friend?)
Nihilist Moron/The Rani/Witchiepoo/Xer of Evil (former friend)
Justin 77?
Wallace88
Copperfield
Jordan Goodspeed
debol?
Cynic Hero 86
Taramarie
Semo
Appollonian, who did more than anyone ever to ruin this forum

If any of you take issue with being on either list, or not being on them, let me know.
Eric I'm going to miss you in this forum, which is why I wanted to FINALLY connect with you on facebook. Here's to continued communication!
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Quote Originally Posted by millennialX View Post
Eric I'm going to miss you in this forum, which is why I wanted to FINALLY connect with you on facebook. Here's to continued communication!
I hope to contact you on the new Forum.

Re:Appollonian... if there is a Forum Hell, then he belongs there. He put this Forum at the risk of a lawsuit, and even if the T4T Forum would have evaded a monetary settlement, being dragged into it would have been hard. I was thinking of suing Appollonian for slander or libel for what he posted about me. I'm not going into the details.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


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Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post
If you look through this list, many were Trotskyites in their youths.

Those names mean absolutely nothing to me.
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